8/1/06 - Reds vs. Dodgers Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Dodgers (50 - 55)
5th in NL West
Reds (55 - 50)
2nd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Furcal, SS .278 6 33 25
2. K Lofton, CF .291 1 22 17
3. J Lugo, 2B .308 12 27 18
4. J Drew, RF .276 11 59 2
5. A Ethier, LF .345 10 40 3
6. W Betemit, 3B .750 0 0 0
7. R Martin, C .298 5 44 5
8. J Loney, 1B .227 0 3 0
9. A Sele, P .190 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, RF .301 7 21 23
2. A Dunn, LF .263 31 71 5
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .240 21 58 0
4. R Aurilia, 3B .285 14 41 1
5. S Hatteberg, 1B .325 9 34 0
6. B Phillips, 2B .292 8 49 20
7. D Ross, C .305 12 31 0
8. R Clayton, SS .261 0 5 4
9. B Arroyo, P .137 2 6 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
A Sele 6 4 3.79 1.38 42

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Arroyo 9 7 3.20 1.17 118

[reds44]

I hope Clayton makes another error tonight.

[flyer85]

EE 's not in the lineup

[BRM]

Griffey's line against Sele: .391/.548/.870 in 23 career at-bats.

[KronoRed]

EE 's not in the lineup
It's a story now when he is

[BRM]

EE 's not in the lineup

Surprised?

[westofyou]

I hope Clayton makes another error tonight.
Everyone has a dream, my dream is that you don't get yours.

[KronoRed]

Surprised?
Nope, why would a backup be in over the starter? ;)

[edabbs44]

If I was Deno, I'd bring those post-trade articles into Krivsky's office and say: "It's my time? I'm ready? Did you tell this to Jerry?"

Since the trade (7/13), Deno has gotten 25 ABs. 4 ABs since July 21st.

Note to young players: Do not, I repeat, DO NOT make an error with the big club. I wonder what would happen if Homer got called up and muffed a bunt in his 1st inning. He might be banished to mop up duty for 5 years.

[KronoRed]

I hope Clayton commits an error, then Phillips with superman speed runs over and pick up the ball and throws the runner out..Narron immediately declares Phillips the new SS and Rich heads to 2nd with EE to 3rd..a big hug on the pitchers mound and then they continue to play

[westofyou]

If I was Deno, I'd bring those post-trade articles into Krivsky's office and say: "It's my time? I'm ready? Did you tell this to Jerry?"

Since the trade (7/13), Deno has gotten 25 ABs. 4 ABs since July 21st.

Note to young players: Do not, I repeat, DO NOT make an error with the big club. I wonder what would happen if Homer got called up and muffed a bunt in his 1st inning. He might be banished to mop up duty for 5 years.

Freel since the AS Break

.318/.412/.591/1.003

I think that has more to do with it then an error.

[cumberlandreds]

I hope Clayton makes another error tonight.

Why? I know he's not the fan favorite to play SS but there's no reason to root for an error.

[cumberlandreds]

Freel since the AS Break

.318/.412/.591/1.003

I think that has more to do with it then an error.

I would rather see Freel in RF than Deno too. Actually I'd rather see Freel in CF and Jr. in RF. But that's another topic for another time.

[reds44]

Freel since the AS Break

.318/.412/.591/1.003

I think that has more to do with it then an error.
Freel will wear down. He needs mroe days off then we are giving him. Deno should start twice or three times a week.

[flyer85]

Did anyone notice EE isn't playin?

BTW, Dodgers DFAed Cruz. If I was the Reds I'd seriously consider him as an extra OF and bat. Reds desperately need another LHB on the bench. He's not the greatest hitter but he'll take a walk and has some pop.

[Matt700wlw]

It's not worth getting worked up over anymore.


Just win, baby!

[westofyou]

Freel will wear down. He needs mroe days off then we are giving him. Deno should start twice or three times a week.
Should he strike out too?

[reds44]

Should he strike out too?
:confused:

[traderumor]

:confused:I think it has to do with wishing bad things on Reds to get them out of the lineup.

[SirFelixCat]

Personally, I'm done complaining about the lineup construction and going to enjoy the games/pennant race.


That being said, first thing that jumps out at me is that the Dodgers have quite a bit of speed. Anyone know Ross's % at throwing out would-be basestealers?

[Crash Davis]

Let's get it out of the way early:

Narron sucks. He's clueless. His 30 years in baseball have taught him absolutely nothing about the game.

Encarnacion should be starting over Aurilia. Aurilia sucks. If Encarnacion got to play more often, he would make David Wright look like Wade Rowden.

Royce Clayton should be released. Brandon Phillips should be playing shortstop. Clayton is the worst player in baseball.

Am I missing anything?

[Matt700wlw]

Personally, I'm done complaining about the lineup construction and going to enjoy the games/pennant race.




I'm with you....

[Matt700wlw]

Let's get it out of the way early:

Narron sucks. He's clueless. His 30 years in baseball have taught him absolutely nothing about the game.

Encarnacion should be starting over Aurilia. Aurilia sucks. If Encarnacion got to play more often, he would make David Wright look like Wade Rowden.

Royce Clayton should be released. Brandon Phillips should be playing shortstop. Clayton is the worst player in baseball.

Am I missing anything?

Denorfia could cover all 3 outfield positions at the same time.

:)

[reds44]

Let's get it out of the way early:

Narron sucks. He's clueless. His 30 years in baseball have taught him absolutely nothing about the game.

Encarnacion should be starting over Aurilia. Aurilia sucks. If Encarnacion got to play more often, he would make David Wright look like Wade Rowden.

Royce Clayton should be released. Brandon Phillips should be playing shortstop. Clayton is the worst player in baseball.

Am I missing anything?
Aurilia doesn't suck.

Besides that yes.

[pedro]

Let's get it out of the way early:

Narron sucks. He's clueless. His 30 years in baseball have taught him absolutely nothing about the game.

Encarnacion should be starting over Aurilia. Aurilia sucks. If Encarnacion got to play more often, he would make David Wright look like Wade Rowden.

Royce Clayton should be released. Brandon Phillips should be playing shortstop. Clayton is the worst player in baseball.

Am I missing anything?

soylent green is PEOPLE and...

The Forbidden Zone was once a paradise. Your breed made a desert of it, ages ago. ;)

[CTA513]

Let's get it out of the way early:

Narron sucks. He's clueless. His 30 years in baseball have taught him absolutely nothing about the game.

Encarnacion should be starting over Aurilia. Aurilia sucks. If Encarnacion got to play more often, he would make David Wright look like Wade Rowden.

Royce Clayton should be released. Brandon Phillips should be playing shortstop. Clayton is the worst player in baseball.

Am I missing anything?

People are going to be mad that you said those bad things about Reds players.

:nono:



:roll:

[37red]

You missed Graves and Milton

[Gallen5862]

Who will be able to do the pbp tonight? Any and all pbp is greatly appreciated. Did Lohse and Cormier arrive yet?

[RedLegSuperStar]

BTW, Dodgers DFAed Cruz. If I was the Reds I'd seriously consider him as an extra OF and bat. Reds desperately need another LHB on the bench. He's not the greatest hitter but he'll take a walk and has some pop.

Yes, I would try to obtain him. He would be a good bat off the bench. If they arn't going to play Denorfia he needs to be sent down to play everyday.

[flyer85]

BTW, some guy named EE is on the bench

[Falls City Beer]

Let's get it out of the way early:

Narron sucks. He's clueless. His 30 years in baseball have taught him absolutely nothing about the game.

Encarnacion should be starting over Aurilia. Aurilia sucks. If Encarnacion got to play more often, he would make David Wright look like Wade Rowden.

Royce Clayton should be released. Brandon Phillips should be playing shortstop. Clayton is the worst player in baseball.

Am I missing anything?

Somehow I doubt that a post like this is likely to cause people to stop complaining about the lineups.

In fact, I suspect it will only further the hostility. JMO.

[flyer85]

Dodgers loaded with lefties. Not a good matchup for Bronson.

[Doc. Scott]

Who will be able to do the pbp tonight? Any and all pbp is greatly appreciated. Did Lohse and Cormier arrive yet?

So I'm curious. You ask this question every single game.

Are you somewhere at gametime where you can access RedsZone but can't access a radio, Gameday Audio, telecast, MLB.TV, CBS Sportsline, ESPN.com, or any of the other live-game websites out there?

[Matt700wlw]

2 batters, 2 hits...

come on, Bronso...

[Matt700wlw]

So I'm curious. You ask this question every single game.

Are you somewhere at gametime where you can access RedsZone but can't access a radio, Gameday Audio, telecast, MLB.TV, CBS Sportsline, ESPN.com, or any of the other live-game websites out there?

He lives in a cave :D

[Falls City Beer]

Bronson's been having a rough go of it in the early innings his last several starts.

[Falls City Beer]

This is an ugly matchup; Drew vs. Arroyo.

[RedLegSuperStar]

bases loaded.. Ethier Up

[Falls City Beer]

A walk is probably the best outcome of that AB.

[Matt700wlw]

Ethier Up

Don't promote drug use :D

[captainmorgan07]

either down on strikes

[Matt700wlw]

A walk is probably the best outcome of that AB.

K would have been better :D

[RedLegSuperStar]

Don't promote drug use :D

Ha Ha.. I'll get the spelling down one day..

[Falls City Beer]

WTG, Bronson--school the kid. Err. Regress him to his mean!!

[RedLegSuperStar]

Betemit.. c'mon.. strikeout!

[flyer85]

Ethier must be feeling sorry for Bronson. He swung at 3 balls

[SirFelixCat]

pbp? Please?

[RedLegSuperStar]

sigh of relief... Out of the jam with bases loaded!

[reds44]

Nice!

[Matt700wlw]

Nice!

[Falls City Beer]

Ethier must be feeling sorry for Bronson. He swung at 3 balls

Or it could be that he's not at all a .950 OPS-ing hitter. The mean, as you like to say, is a bee-yatch.

[SirFelixCat]

No, but really...pbp, please?

[Big Klu]

Did anyone notice EE isn't playin?

BTW, Dodgers DFAed Cruz. If I was the Reds I'd seriously consider him as an extra OF and bat. Reds desperately need another LHB on the bench. He's not the greatest hitter but he'll take a walk and has some pop.

Which Cruz is that?

[CTA513]

Nice comeback for Arroyo after loading up the bases.
It looks like he will be throwing a few more change ups to keep guys from guessing fastball or curveball.

[flyer85]

Which Cruz is that?Jose Jr

[Matt700wlw]

Sele is a soft tosser

:yikes:

[RedLegSuperStar]

Freel, Dunn, Junior.. I think our offense can out offense the Dodgers

[StillFunkyB]

I'm calling for the RR 10-run rule this evening.

[Gallen5862]

So I'm curious. You ask this question every single game.

Are you somewhere at gametime where you can access RedsZone but can't access a radio, Gameday Audio, telecast, MLB.TV, CBS Sportsline, ESPN.com, or any of the other live-game websites out there?

Well I have a old computer and have to use dialup. I have not been able to work in a couple years due to medical reasons and am waiting to see when I can get disability or get cleared to go back to work. It is easier trying to use one site at a time with this computer or it freezes and locks up alot. Plus it is more interesting to get the viewpoints and reactions to how the game is from Redszone. The free sites when they do work are way behind.

[Falls City Beer]

No, but really...pbp, please?

Two singles to lead off the inning by Furcal and Lofton.
Bronson Ks Lugo.
Drew BBs. Bases loaded.
Bronson Ks Ethier
Bronson Ks Betemit

[StillFunkyB]

pbp? Please?

Bronson struck out the side, after Furcal, and Lofton were at 2nd and third.

Freel flies out to CF.

[SirFelixCat]

Two singles to lead off the inning by Furcal and Lofton.
Bronson Ks Lugo.
Drew BBs. Bases loaded.
Bronson Ks Ethier
Bronson Ks Betemit


Thanks, FCB...being at work, I'm firewalled :bang:

[Big Klu]

Jose Jr

In that case...yes, I would pick him up. Isn't Jose Cruz Jr. a switch-hitter? He could provide pop off the bench from both sides of the plate.

[Joseph]

Freel FO to CF

Dunn k's

[Falls City Beer]

Freel flies out to center.
Dunn Ks.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the pbp FCB.

[Falls City Beer]

Griffey grounds out 4 to 3. No score after one.

[George Foster]

Griffey grounds out 4 to 3. No score after one.

Can you do pbp and give us funny one liners? Come on please....:D

[Falls City Beer]

Can you do pbp and give us funny one liners? Come on please....:D

Nah, that's Caveat's schtick. He's gettin' all lawyered up now, I suppose.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Jose Jr

He would be a better pick-up then Conine I would think. Cruz is known for his defense and he does have a little pop in his stick. OBP: .358 and what better then to have a guy from "Arroyo," PR!

[Falls City Beer]

Martin flies out to Dunn in left. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Fay thinks Loshe will start on Saturday and "extend" Claussen's rehab

[Falls City Beer]

Loney ground ball single to left. 1 out.

[RedLegSuperStar]

He would be a better pick-up then Conine I would think. Cruz is known for his defense and he does have a little pop in his stick. OBP: .358 and what better then to have a guy from "Arroyo," PR!

Though Hee-Seop Choi also was DFA'd as well

[flyer85]

excellent range by that SS :D

[MrCinatit]

Fay thinks Loshe will start on Saturday and "extend" Claussen's rehab

Is it wrong to want Claussen to hurry back?
I kind of like Nuke Loshe as a bullpen guy. As a starter, not so much.

[PuffyPig]

Dodgers BABIPing .750, that can't continue.

[Falls City Beer]

Sele misses his bunt. That's a K. 2 outs. Runner at first.

[Gallen5862]

How is Arroyo looking?

[captainmorgan07]

furcal down on strikes

[Falls City Beer]

Furcal chases a bad pitch up. Ks. Thru 1 and a half. Nothing redux.

[PuffyPig]

How is Arroyo looking?
Great. 5 K's. 3 BABIP hits.

[Cyclone792]

Arroyo's looking good and already has five strikeouts in only two innings.

This is the same thing he was doing in Houston until he got derailed by the home run and big inning. Hopefully tonight he avoids the home run, and if he can do that, I think he also avoids the big inning.

[reds44]

Arroyo's looking good and already has five strikeouts in only two innings.

This is the same thing he was doing in Houston until he got derailed by the home run and big inning. Hopefully tonight he avoids the home run, and if he can do that, I think he also avoids the big inning.
I was at the game and it was really wierd. He was making people look terrible all game, but then it just fell apart for him.

[MrCinatit]

Arroyo is getting bloop-hit to death.
Is it just me, or have the Dodgers yet to hit a ball hard off him?

[Falls City Beer]

Rich singles to center. No outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo is getting bloop-hit to death.
Is it just me, or have the Dodgers yet to hit a ball hard off him?

The first one was pretty hard....but that's it.

[Matt700wlw]

Hatte pulls a Casey

2 out

[Falls City Beer]

Hatte GIDP. 2 outs. (Man, those two guys are SLOW).

[PuffyPig]

Hatte pulls a Casey

2 out
But at least it was a shot and not a routine grounder.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Double for BP

[Falls City Beer]

Phillips doubles. 2 outs.

[reds44]

BP is alive once again.

[Gallen5862]

Good job BP.

[oregonred]

Hatte GIDP. 2 outs. (Man, those two guys are SLOW).

Remember the kinder acronym...

Scrappy
Leadership
Outhustles
Walking

;)

[oregonred]

But at least it was a shot and not a routine grounder.

That actually makes me feel even worse...

[Matt700wlw]

Ross doubles in a run.

LaRue would have looked lost.


Ross needs to play everyday.

[reds44]

Now that the deadline has past, LaRue should never play unless Ross needs a rest.

1-0!

[Falls City Beer]

David Lee Ross wants to show he is Top Jimmy. Doubles. Phillips scores. 1-0 Reds.

[MrCinatit]

Way to go D. Ross!

[redsfanmia]

There is no excuse for David Ross not playing atleast 4 days a week, the guy is just money this year.

[Cyclone792]

Excellent piece of hitting by Ross there. He got a good two-strike pitch to hit and sent a screaming line drive down the left field line for two bases.

Phillips scores, and the Reds lead 1-0.

[flyer85]

nice hitting by Ross on a 3-2 curve

[Falls City Beer]

Groundouts become Royce Clayton. Two complete. 1-0 Reds.

[dsmith421]

The irony with the Reds is as follows:

On the one hand, you have Krivsky, who no one could ever call risk-averse. The guy is constantly trying to improve the team, always trying to make the move. This leads to occasional flubs, but demonstrates a verve that was totally absent during the O'Brien years.

Then you have Narron, who hates taking risks. Everything with him is the known quantity. Even if the known quantity is demonstrably worse than the uncertain alternative, Jerry is going to stick with the known quantity rather than face the unknown.

It really is a completely bifurcated organizational dynamic, and I wonder after a while whether Krivsky is going to get tired of it.

[Blimpie]

If I see one more commercial that begins with, "Dear Dr. Z" then I am going to call Dr. Kevorkian....

[reds44]

Lofton is hitting .294?

He refuses to go away.

[Falls City Beer]

Lofton soft GO to Hattes-ville. 1 out.

[Blimpie]

Nice grab in foul territory by Freel. Two away.

[Matt700wlw]

Ryan Freel likes to run into stuff

[Falls City Beer]

Lugo foulout to right. 2 outs.

[MrCinatit]

Ryan Freel likes to run into stuff

I still remember a couple of years ago when he dove into the stands after a ball on the west coast and kicked an old lady in the face.

[VR]

David Ross, just exceptional. His adjustment to turn a very good two strike pitch into a double was Pujols-esque.


I really think he's the cleanup hitter come late August.

[Blimpie]

I still remember a couple of years ago when he dove into the stands after a ball on the west coast and kicked an old lady in the face.Versus these same Dodgers, IIRC

[Blimpie]

Double off the wall for Drew.

[MrCinatit]

Versus these same Dodgers, IIRC

I am very sure you are correct.

[Falls City Beer]

Drew doubles to right.

[PuffyPig]

Even if the known quantity is demonstrably worse than the uncertain alternative, Jerry is going to stick with the known quantity rather than face the unknown.



How can the known quantity be demonstrably worse than something that is uncertain? By definition, if something is unknown, you can't really judge it's value.

I think I can agree with the fact that Narron accepts the mediocre rather the rolling the dice yo try to get something better.

[Matt700wlw]

That ball picked off a camera man

[George Foster]

Arroyo's been dodging it, so far...lot of pitches

[CrackerJack]

Hmm, Ross, whatcha thinkin there?

[Blimpie]

Ethier lines one to left and Dunn comes home with the throw. Drew called safe at home. Tie ball game 1-1.

[George Foster]

Ross might be able to hit but has no clue how to block the plate..

[CrackerJack]

bah fairly weak throw can't blame Ross I guess

[Falls City Beer]

Ethier singles scoring Drew. Ethier takes second on the throw. 2 outs. 1-1 game.

[Matt700wlw]

Oh crap.

2 run HR

[realreds1]

2-run dinger for the new guy.

[MrCinatit]

This turned ugly real quick.

[Blimpie]

Betemit hits a 2 run homerun to right field. 3-1 Dodgers.

[Joseph]

Nice pitching Arroyo.

[Falls City Beer]

Big trouble. Betemit homers. Bronson gassed. Again. 3-1 Dodgers.

[realreds1]

Makes you wonder if Arroyo is tired...

[reds44]

The Benemit-Baez deal was worse then the Reds deal.

[Matt700wlw]

Big trouble. Betemit homers. Bronson gassed. Again. 3-1 Dodgers.

Gassed in the 3rd?

I doubt it....

[SteelSD]

Dunn's throw beat Drew to the plate easy. Ross simply couldn't hold onto it after it hit him in the glove. Eventual result is three Runs on the board.

[Matt700wlw]

Clayton should have had that...

[redsfan30]

Arroyo is crashing back down to earth....hard.

[George Foster]

The National League is getting use to Arroyo again....He's not fooling anybody lately.....3 runs with 2 outs....very Milton like...

[Falls City Beer]

The Benemit-Baez deal was worse then the Reds deal.

I've had a yen for Betemit since Methuselah's bar mitzvah.

[CTA513]

Thats the 9th homerun Arroyo has given up in his last 6 games.

:eek:

[Blimpie]

A spirited session of batting practice has erupted during the 3rd inning.

[reds44]

Clayton is bad

[Falls City Beer]

Gassed in the 3rd?

I doubt it....

94 Degrees at game time. I don't doubt it.

[VR]

The Benemit-Baez deal was worse then the Reds deal.

Yeah, people here were pimpin how little Baez was acquired for, but the Braves are savvy.

[flyer85]

Like I said, all those LHB are a bad matchup for Arroyo

[realreds1]

4-1.

[George Foster]

Dunn's throw beat Drew to the plate easy. Ross simply couldn't hold onto it after it hit him in the glove. Eventual result is three Runs on the board.

I honestly cannot remember Ross catching the ball without dropping it from the outfield.

[redsfan30]

This team is in BIG BIG trouble if Arroyo regresses anymore than he already has.

[Blimpie]

Okay, which of our shiny new relievers wants to answer the bullpen phone?

[CTA513]

Arroyo having an inning like he had against the Astros.

:thumbdown

[CrackerJack]

4 runs with 2 outs....yeesh

[Matt700wlw]

94 Degrees at game time. I don't doubt it.

Water break :D

[realreds1]

Hmmm...bullpen stirring yet?

[Blimpie]

94 Degrees at game time. I don't doubt it....and about 115% humidity. I concur.

[MrCinatit]

Makes you wonder if Arroyo is tired...

Have to wonder.
I am sure the August heat takes a lot out of a guy.
In addition, I am pretty sure he has pitched a lot of innings this year, thanks to an unwillingness to use a bullpen, even when it has been improved, when Arroyo and Harang have been on the hill.

[Falls City Beer]

Loney doubles in Martin. It's turned into a laugher. 4-1 Dodgers.

My money's on Bronson concealing an injury.

[SteelSD]

It's been mentioned in this thread, but Arroyo's bane is LH hitters. His three year splits:

LH: .338 OBP/.455 SLG- .793 OPS
RH: .281 OBP/.366 SLG- .647 OPS

2006:

LH: .334 OBP/.498 SLG- .833 OPS
RH: .247 OBP/.314 SLG- .560 OPS

[PuffyPig]

THe HR was very bad, but when the other team is BABIPing .700(7-10) there's not much you can do.

[flyer85]

I don't understand why pitch to Loney after the SB

[Joseph]

Every still eager to give away LaRue for a bag of balls? At least he catches most of the throws put in front of him in a nice bow like that.

[Blimpie]

4 runs with 2 outs....yeeshBy a team who hasn't hit a lick during the last month.

[reds44]

Loney doubles in Martin. It's turned into a laugher. 4-1 Dodgers.

My money's on Bronson concealing an injury.
His ankle still.... oh my bad wrong player.

;)

[George Foster]

...and about 115% humidity. I concur.

It's the same weather the Dodgers are playing..... no excuse

[Falls City Beer]

Sele fles out to left. Inning over. Damage done. 4-1 Dodgers.

The REds REALLY need to hit this scrub Sele.

[CTA513]

Reds get the lead, Reds pitchers give up the lead.... nothing new.

:help:

[George Foster]

By a team who hasn't hit a lick during the last month.


They are due to win a few in a row...

[Cyclone792]

Arroyo has given up at least one home run in every start since ... that infamous June 13th start when Narron killed him. Arroyo's HR/9 rate since that start has been off-the-charts-and-worse-than-Milton bad.

[flyer85]

The last 2 months will depend on the starting pitching. I am skeptical.

[CrackerJack]

THe HR was very bad, but when the other team is BABIPing .700(7-10) there's not much you can do.

Yet I wouldn't say it was a case of bad luck...but bad pitching...

[Blimpie]

It's the same weather the Dodgers are playing..... no excuseNot excusing him. Just saying that innings pitched with fatigue during this type weather are compounded over, say, a mid-April afternoon affair. Just sayin.

[Matt700wlw]

Loney doubles in Martin. It's turned into a laugher. 4-1 Dodgers.

.

4-1's a laugher?

[Falls City Beer]

The last 2 months will depend on the starting pitching. I am skeptical.

Absolutely. Which is why I truly believe they'll have to promote Bailey if they want to hang in.

[Falls City Beer]

Sele carving up the Reds. Bronson grounds out. Freel Ks.

[Blimpie]

They are due to win a few in a row...Why is that...because Greg Maddux is charting pitches tonight?

[reds44]

Absolutely. Which is why I truly believe they'll have to promote Bailey if they want to hang in.
If the last 2 months of this year depend on Homer then we are screwed.

[realreds1]

Notice how the Dodgers have been kickin' butt in Cincy the past few visits? Gives me flashbacks to the May '05 drubbing they handed the Reds in what might be have been Paul Wilson's last start.

[Falls City Beer]

Dunn grounds out. Crap taco. 3 full. 4-1.

[Blimpie]

If the last 2 months of this year depend on Homer then we are screwed.Werd.

[PuffyPig]

Yet I wouldn't say it was a case of bad luck...but bad pitching...
Then you don't understand the concepts of BABIP.

[REDREAD]

Man, I hope we can come back. This LA-Atl-StL stretch is crucial. I'd really like us to take 2 out of 3 from both Atlanta and LA to keep the pressure on them. I'm less worried about StL widening their lead (if that happens).

I really wanted to win game 1 tonight.

[CTA513]

Arroyo already at 75 pitches after 3 innings.

[Falls City Beer]

If the last 2 months of this year depend on Homer then we are screwed.

It's not going to be anyone gained through trade. So I conclude, if the Reds possess any secret weapon, it's Homer.

[realreds1]

So I conclude, if the Reds possess any secret weapon, it's Homer.

Can Deno... oh... nevermind ;)

[REDREAD]

Arroyo already at 75 pitches after 3 innings.

Well, it looks like we might see the revamped pen in action then.

[Falls City Beer]

Arroyo already at 75 pitches after 3 innings.

It would nice if Narron for once didn't push Arroyo to throw 130 pitches in 6 innings. He will be finished by the end of the fifth at the most.

[reds44]

It's not going to be anyone gained through trade. So I conclude, if the Reds possess any secret weapon, it's Homer.
Homer isn't a weapon for the Reds until he discovers how to control a breaking ball.

It will hurt the Reds and Homer to bring him up right now.

[Falls City Beer]

Furcal flies out to center. 1 out.

[reds44]

Get the pen up...

[Falls City Beer]

Lofton singles. 1 out.

[flyer85]

game isn't over yet but it could be very shortly

[REDREAD]

It would nice if Narron for once didn't push Arroyo to throw 130 pitches in 6 innings. He will be finished by the end of the fifth at the most.

Yeah, I agree. It would be nice to give Arroyo a short night tonight. Use that bullpen. No sense in riding Arroyo tonight when it doesn't appear that he has it. Let him get a little rest for his next start.

Someone else just got on for LA :(

[Falls City Beer]

Homer isn't a weapon for the Reds until he discovers how to control a breaking ball.

It will hurt the Reds and Homer to bring him up right now.

Well, then the Reds are screwed. Don't know how else to frame it. They don't have the pitching.

[Falls City Beer]

Lugo GO first pitch. 2 outs.

[REDREAD]

Actually, I think Lohse is our secret weapon.. sad but true. He'll be counted on to help the rotation.

[Blimpie]

Drew strikes out looking for the third out. Middle of the fourth, 4-1 Bad Guys.

[Matt700wlw]

That was better :)

[REDREAD]

Well, at least BA got out of that inning unscathed.

[Falls City Beer]

Bronson Ks Drew. Good job.

[Falls City Beer]

Actually, I think Lohse is our secret weapon.. sad but true. He'll be counted on to help the rotation.

Lohse isn't a weapon. That's the difference. Secret potato gun?

[RedLegSuperStar]

mid 4th and 4-1... umm sadly all four runs come with 2 outs.

[redsfan30]

Chase Utley just extended his streak with a 1st inning single in St. Louis.

[smith288]

I hate these types of pitchers.

[Matt700wlw]

mid 4th and 4-1... umm sadly all four runs come with 2 outs.


So did the Reds 1 :D

[PuffyPig]

Utley continues his hitting streak with a first inning single vs. the Cards.

[redsfan30]

Junior is my all time favorite, but he has to stop swinging at every single first pitch he sees.

[RedLegSuperStar]

1 down...

[Falls City Beer]

I hate these types of pitchers.

Who? Slop-throwing guys who throw strikes?

Yeah so do the Reds.

[smith288]

Its like Griffey doesnt realize there is 15 guys on the right side.

[smith288]

Who? Slop-throwing guys who throw strikes?

Yeah so do the Reds.
Thats why I said it.

[Falls City Beer]

Junior makes an out. Does it matter much how?

[RedLegSuperStar]

Junior is my all time favorite, but he has to stop swinging at every single first pitch he sees.

Or work on bunting right down that 3rd base line.. just past the pitcher but before the bag at 3rd

[Matt700wlw]

Junior makes an out. Does it matter much how?

Does what matter much now?

[dsmith421]

How can the known quantity be demonstrably worse than something that is uncertain? By definition, if something is unknown, you can't really judge it's value.

Probabilities. Narron probably stands on 12 when he plays blackjack.

[Falls City Beer]

Sele killing the Reds efficiently Aurilia GO. 2 outs.

[flyer85]

first two outs on pitches at the ankles, not a good sign

[Falls City Beer]

Does what matter much now?

How Junior makes an out?

[Matt700wlw]

Pop up.

3 outs

[dsmith421]

I have tickets for two games in Cincinnati next week and two in San Francisco in three weeks. I'd prefer for the ballclub to at least delay their collapse that long. I don't think I'm going to get my wish.

[Falls City Beer]

Sele has 7 pitch inning thru the "heart" of the order.

[Matt700wlw]

How Junior makes an out?

Not really....that's all he seems to do anymore.


HE NEEDS TO MOVE.

[PuffyPig]

Probabilities. Narron probably stands on 12 when he plays blackjack.
If the dealer is showing a 2-6, standing is the right choice.

[membengal]

Checking in from my continued float around the Caribbean to note that perhaps it might help the Reds if they put in some of their more effective offensive weapons, just for ****s and giggles.

Free EE.

And, hey, while I am gone this week, tell them to win a game or two, please. And, whatever else happens, we are just four days away from the Kyle Lohse era, so we got THAT going for us.

I need more rum...

[Falls City Beer]

Ethier flies out to Dunn. 1 out. 91 pitches for Arroyo.

[Falls City Beer]

Betemit cranks a rocket to the Haberdasher. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

That was easy.

Another inning should be fine.

[Cedric]

I keep wondering how the Reds are going to consistently score with this lineup. I don't have any answers.

[Falls City Beer]

Clayton adds something to the collective effort. Martin GO 6-3. 4-1 D-ers.

[REDREAD]

Lohse isn't a weapon. That's the difference. Secret potato gun?

Or secret woopie cushion?

I'm not crying over the prospect we gave up to get Lohse. I just would've prefered Wayne to get someone a little better, because we desparately needed a stopgap #5 starter. Wayne obviously identified the need.

[Matt700wlw]

Cubs 2

D'Backs 0

[CrackerJack]

Then you don't understand the concepts of BABIP.

I understand the "concept" of spotting your fastball and hitters sitting on your hanging off-speed stuff. :mooner:

[KittyDuran]

Checking in from my continued float around the Caribbean to note that perhaps it might help the Reds if they put in some of their more effective offensive weapons, just for ****s and giggles.

Free EE.

And, hey, while I am gone this week, tell them to win a game or two, please. And, whatever else happens, we are just four days away from the Kyle Lohse era, so we got THAT going for us.

I need more rum...Pic of membengal in the Caribbean...:devil:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/walt_disney/pirates_of_the_caribbean__dead_man_s_chest/johnny_depp/deadmanschest6.jpg

[Cyclone792]

Arroyo's at 97 pitches after five innings, and he's got one big high pitch/high stress inning already tonight. Considering all the abuse he's already gone through this season and the hot weather tonight, the Reds need to do both Arroyo and the team a favor by giving him the rest of the night off.

Seriously, there's no need to ride him for everything he has with two months still left in the season. Preserve the arm; we need him to be sharp the rest of the way.

[Falls City Beer]

Cy Sele, Brandon P. grounds out. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

David Ross

:jump:

[Matt700wlw]

Loshe warming in the pen

[Falls City Beer]

This Must Be Just Like Living in Paradise. DLRoss homers. 4-2 bad things.

[reds44]

Why is Ross batting 7th?
Bat him 4th or 5th.
The Reds can't continue to not play Edwin and Ross. We need our best offensive guys in there.

[Ltlabner]

Arroyo's at 97 pitches after five innings, and he's got one big high pitch/high stress inning already tonight. Considering all the abuse he's already gone through this season and the hot weather tonight, the Reds need to do both Arroyo and the team a favor by giving him the rest of the night off.

Seriously, there's no need to ride him for everything he has with two months still left in the season. Preserve the arm; we need him to be sharp the rest of the way.

Well said. Narron simply has to quit abusing his starting horses if he wants them around later in the month/Septmber.

BTW, Jason Who?

[reds44]

NIce job Royce.

[Falls City Beer]

Clayton continues his useless schtick. 2 outs.

[reds44]

Why is he leaving Arroyo in?

NARRON MAKES ME SO MAD SOMETIMES!!

[Falls City Beer]

Arroyo GO. 4-2 Dodgers. End of 5.

[dsmith421]

Clayton continues his useless schtick. 2 outs.

What an absolute waste of a roster spot.

[Matt700wlw]

Why is he leaving Arroyo in?

NARRON MAKES ME SO MAD SOMETIMES!!


I'm ok with him going out for the 6th....pen is warming, so make his leash relatively short.

[MWM]

Wow. I just got home and see that Arroyo has allowed 10 baserunners in 5 innings. :eek:

I hate to sound like a pessimist, but he had a REALLY bad July and if he doesn't return to April-June form, the Reds have zero chance at the playoffs.

And this is AARON Sele they're facing tonight, correct?

[Falls City Beer]

Gotta split for a while. Someone else take the wheel. Freakniks.

[Matt700wlw]

Wow. I just got home and see that Arroyo has allowed 10 baserunners in 5 innings. :eek:

I hate to sound like a pessimist, but he had a REALLY bad July and if he doesn't return to April-June form, the Reds have zero chance at the playoffs.



I wouldn't say ZERO chance...but it definitely won't help

[Cyclone792]

Well, Arroyo hit for himself so we know he's coming out there again. I sure as heck hope he gives us about a 10 pitch inning. The last thing I want to see is Arroyo having another 120-pitch outing.

BTW, this type of pitcher abuse just confirms my feelings that I want nothing to do with Homer Bailey up on the big league roster. I could just imagine the tendency for our manager to want to abuse Bailey if/when Homer arrives and starts pitching well.

[MrCinatit]

Why is he leaving Arroyo in?
NARRON MAKES ME SO MAD SOMETIMES!!

Maybe Dusty Baker is actually managing the club

[reds44]

Arroyo gives up a rocket to the pitcher.

single