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flyer85
08-02-2006, 11:19 PM
5 games in a row of 4 runs or less. Maybe outscoring 'em wasn't a bad idea.

redsmetz
08-02-2006, 11:20 PM
http://www.sarah.how.btinternet.co.uk/images/darcypics/cb001.jpg

Cyclone792
08-02-2006, 11:20 PM
Since the All-Star Break ...

4.44 runs scored per game.
4.78 runs allowed per game.

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:20 PM
Ramirez vs. Penny.

Don't know what the line on that one was...but Las Vegas had us losing.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:20 PM
That ump has to be on the Dodger's payroll....

:p:

(excuse time! :D)

Virginia Beach Reds
08-02-2006, 11:20 PM
Baseball is cool.

HOF Maddux is up tomorrow.

Usually we handle Maddux.

Let's see what happens. We have been streaky. I've not lost faith.

flyer85
08-02-2006, 11:21 PM
by the time the Dodgers get through with the Reds in LA I would not be shocked if they are ahead of the Reds

George Foster
08-02-2006, 11:21 PM
We got the game in the bag tomorrow. That rookie is pitching for them...I think his name is Maddox. They got him in some last second trade Monday.:D

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:22 PM
Baseball is cool.

HOF Maddux is up tomorrow.

Usually we handle Maddux.

Let's see what happens. We have been streaky. I've not lost faith.

Nor have I....it's a marathon and nobody said it would be easy.

Right now sucks....badly...

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:22 PM
Worst thing is that the Clayton HR will give him at least 100 more ABs...many in critical situations.

EE will start again when it snows in the Dominican Republic.

OldXOhio
08-02-2006, 11:23 PM
Usually we handle Maddux.



Isn't he 3-0 against us this year?

Puffy
08-02-2006, 11:23 PM
Since the All-Star Break ...

4.44 runs scored per game.
4.78 runs allowed per game.

Quit with your voodoo math-like stats. Everybody knows we are better since the trade.

redsmetz
08-02-2006, 11:25 PM
Worst thing is that the Clayton HR will give him at least 100 more ABs...many in critical situations.

EE will start again when it snows in the Dominican Republic.

http://www.culturekitchen.com/files/images/goodgrief_0.gif

We can't even be happy one of our players hit a home run?

RBA
08-02-2006, 11:25 PM
I'm so glad that WK fixed the bullpen at the expense of an all-star shortstop and a power hitting right fielder. :rolleyes: Next trade Harang for Benito Santiago.

CTA513
08-02-2006, 11:25 PM
Valentin is 7 for 17 with 4 homeruns against Maddux.
He should probably be catching tomorrow since he has hit Maddux pretty good.

George Foster
08-02-2006, 11:26 PM
Quit with your voodoo math-like stats. Everybody knows we are better since the trade.

The trade was a gamble....The gamble was that our offense would not suffer. I think it has. Our bullpen has improved, but we have turned into the Twins of years past minus the starting pitching.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:26 PM
I'm so glad that WK fixed the bullpen at the expense of an all-star shortstop and a power hitting right fielder. :rolleyes: Next trade Harang for Benito Santiago.

FORMER All-Star SS....

:)

alloverjr
08-02-2006, 11:26 PM
I'm so glad that WK fixed the bullpen at the expense of a all-star shortstop and a power hitting right fielder. :rolleyes: Next trade Harang for Benito Santiago.

Well, he is a catcher. :)

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:28 PM
The trade was a gamble....The gamble was that our offense would not suffer. I think it has. Our bullpen has improved, but we have turned into the Twins of years past minus the starting pitching.

Freel has made up for Kearns. But Clayton can't hit righties like Lopez.

Let's not forget the offense was sucking before the break...bad. Just picking that up again.

OnBaseMachine
08-02-2006, 11:29 PM
The Reds lost a series to the freakin' Dodgers? Pretty sad. Will this team ever make the playoffs again?

George Foster
08-02-2006, 11:29 PM
Cards now only down 8-5 to the philles

Cyclone792
08-02-2006, 11:29 PM
Quit with your voodoo math-like stats. Everybody knows we are better since the trade.

:p:

I've just been sniffin' around trying to find some lost offensive production. There's a 12 percent drop in run scoring since they-who-shall-not-be-named were sent packing.

:mooner: ;)

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:32 PM
The Reds lost a series to the freakin' Dodgers? Pretty sad. Will this team ever make the playoffs again?

75% of RedsZone thinks so!~:eek:

Edskin
08-02-2006, 11:33 PM
Since the AS break, our run production has declined, but our winning % has increased. Gotta mention that too.

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:34 PM
Cards now only down 8-5 to the philles

Make that 8-7. Aaron Miles hits a HR!

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:35 PM
Make that 8-7. Aaron Miles hits a HR!

I hate the Cardinals....

Cyclone792
08-02-2006, 11:36 PM
Since the AS break, our run production has declined, but our winning % has increased. Gotta mention that too.

If our run production continues to hang around the 4.44 runs per game range, our winning percentage won't be increased for very long.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:37 PM
Pujols is up....

CTA513
08-02-2006, 11:37 PM
Make that 8-7. Aaron Miles hits a HR!

Ryan Madson just walked Spiezio and now Pujols is up.


:help:

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:38 PM
Pujols grounds into a DP....inning over

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:39 PM
I'll give some kudos to Narron tonight for going to the bullpen early.
Kept us in the game.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:40 PM
I'll give some kudos to Narron tonight for going to the bullpen early.
Kept us in the game.

Maybe now that he actually has one, and trusts it, it will improve the way he manages during a game.

CTA513
08-02-2006, 11:42 PM
Pujols grounds into a DP....inning over

Pujols is hitting .250 this month. :eek:

:p:

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2006, 11:42 PM
Did i miss something?

Reds swept by the Dodgers in a three game series WITHOUT playing the 3rd game?

I bet Denorfia could not even pull that off.

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:42 PM
Did i miss something?

Reds swept by the Dodgers in a three game series WITHOUT playing the 3rd game?

I bet Denorfia could not even pull that off.


It is beyond the realm of Denorfiaisms....

Matt700wlw
08-02-2006, 11:42 PM
Pujols is hitting .250 this month. :eek:

:p:


Slump! :D

CTA513
08-02-2006, 11:43 PM
Slump! :D

Get him while his value is low.

:thumbup:

MWM
08-02-2006, 11:43 PM
I'll give some kudos to Narron tonight for going to the bullpen early.
Kept us in the game.

The inning where the Lizard gave up the 5th run, he started the inning with 99 pitches. Had that last run not scored, it would have been a one run game, which the Reds still *probably* lose, but it would have made it a different game down the stretch.

I'm not suggesting it was a bad move by Narron, but I don't think he deserves props for it. The Lizard had thrown 106 pitches tonight. Bringing in the bully at that point was a no-brainer.

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:44 PM
Did i miss something?

Reds swept by the Dodgers in a three game series WITHOUT playing the 3rd game?

I bet Denorfia could not even pull that off.

Milton vs. Maddux in his first Dodger start.

Odds not good.

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:49 PM
The inning where the Lizard gave up the 5th run, he started the inning with 99 pitches. Had that last run not scored, it would have been a one run game, which the Reds still *probably* lose, but it would have made it a different game down the stretch.

I'm not suggesting it was a bad move by Narron, but I don't think he deserves props for it. The Lizard had thrown 106 pitches tonight. Bringing in the bully at that point was a no-brainer.

Might have missed something, but I think the pitch count was around 80 startign the 5th. A normal innning would have brought it to around 95 (and them PH for him)

I agree it was a non-brainer, but lately Narron has lacked a brain to make such a move.

Tony Cloninger
08-02-2006, 11:50 PM
I wish Krisken would post on this board.

That way we would know if we should even bother to watch the game or any remaining part of the season.

oneupper
08-02-2006, 11:52 PM
I wish Krisken would post on this board.

That way we would know if we should even bother to watch the game or any remaining part of the season.

You should watch. It may not be pretty, but it should be entertaining.

KronoRed
08-02-2006, 11:54 PM
Always tomorrow

Gallen5862
08-03-2006, 12:00 AM
Utley gets an infield hit to extend his hitting streak to 34 games.

CTA513
08-03-2006, 12:07 AM
Phillies up 13-7 going into the bottom of the 8th.

Gallen5862
08-03-2006, 12:10 AM
Rick White in to pitch for the Phillies.

CTA513
08-03-2006, 12:11 AM
Rick White in to pitch for the Phillies.

Rick White quickly gives up a run. 13-8 Phillies.

Gallen5862
08-03-2006, 12:12 AM
White has given up back to back doubles hit very hard to the wall.

MWM
08-03-2006, 12:21 AM
Scott Rolen just made another error. I wonder what's going on with him?

bottom_feeder
08-03-2006, 12:42 AM
Well, that sucked :( Anyone think Milton is going to reverse our fortunes tommorrow?

MWM
08-03-2006, 12:45 AM
I'm predicting a win tomorrow. It's always the games that seem like obvious losses that end up being victories.

Big Klu
08-03-2006, 12:52 AM
Congratulations to Ken Griffey Jr., who tonight tied Gus Bell for eleventh place on the Reds' all-time home run list.



Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Eric Davis - 203
7. Barry Larkin - 198
8. Adam Dunn - 190
9. Vada Pinson - 186
10. Wally Post - 172
11. Gus Bell - 160
11. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

Heath
08-03-2006, 01:00 AM
Just got in from the game. Sorry.

My predictions did not come true.

But the view from the Riverfront Club and the Cheapie outer view level "KittyDuran" seats were pretty cool.

In fact, I wasn't sure - but I thought I saw Kitty there - were you?

WVRedsFan
08-03-2006, 01:11 AM
Freel has made up for Kearns. But Clayton can't hit righties like Lopez.

Let's not forget the offense was sucking before the break...bad. Just picking that up again.

I'm getting in on this late, but...how can Freel make up for Kearns' 50 RBI's? Freel is a good leadoff hitter (some say--I'm not so sure), but he is no replacement for a power-hitting outfielder. All the talk, even from Krivsky was that Chris Denorfia would replace Kearns, and after three or four games, Narron or whoever gave up on that plan. Deno was sitting the pine and mostly has since though the excuse of leaving him in Louisville was PT and Kearns was the replacement. It's not working.

Clayton replaced Lopez and we lost the RBI's and got an equal fielder.

Yes, the offense was slumping before the break, but it's almost non-existant now. There is no one in the lineup to deliver the 80 or so RBI's from Kearns and Lopez while Narron has responded with basically benching Encarnacion, who might make up some of that ground and playing Castro once in awhile. He's hitting Aurilia almost exclusively 4th which gives Griffey not much to hit (why throw strikes to Griffeywith 2 out when you can probably handle Rich better with high heat?). And the new pitchers look horrible, proving that the Reds' bullpen is broken beyond repair--even with new faces. Then the normally reliable starters have a small margin to work with--the pressure to be fine must be working on them.

It's a mess created by one trade of two RBI guys for two pitchers who aren't much help at all.

Sad. And we thought Krivsky was loading up for the playoff run. So far, the shine is off the apple. We can only hope things change before it's too late. The fan thinks a couple of bad moves (the extension of Narron and that first trade) may doom the playoff run. And that takes hope and holds it hostage for another year. Like I said, it's sad.

Cedric
08-03-2006, 01:54 AM
I was on the radio tonight talking to the Fur ball.

He didn't seem to mad about me defending Dunn from the morons.

That game was ugly and the attendance was even worse. I couldn't believe how empty the stadium was.

Ron Madden
08-03-2006, 05:01 AM
Another walk....

It's amazing how fast Reds pitchers can fall apart.

Yeah, just wait untill Narron gets ahold Homer Baily.:(

Ron Madden
08-03-2006, 05:15 AM
I was at the Twins game today and Boof Bonzer was getting demolished by the Rangers. I had great seats so it was very easy to tell that these guys were stting back and teeing off. He wasn't fooling anyone. The pitching coach came out a few times, but he stayed in the game. It was a head scratcher, but he stayed in clear until he got out of the 4th (where he gave up 5 runs). It was a good example of a manager waiting until the game was out of reach until he finally pulled his pitcher when it wasn't late in the game. I'm not suggesting Narron did this tonight, but it helped confirm the notion that Jerry's not really any different than most ML managers. They all pretty much do the same things most of the time.

Ii's going by the book. All "old school" type managers are issud a copy.

Ron Madden
08-03-2006, 05:26 AM
Really for the past month, when we lose the Cards lose, when we win the cards win...it's depressing..

Nah, depressing is the dead of winter without a Reds game. ;)

Ron Madden
08-03-2006, 06:24 AM
We just got beat, it happens.

Ya can't win'em all but now would be a fine time to start winning a few.

redsmetz
08-03-2006, 08:51 AM
Nah, depressing is the dead of winter without a Reds game. ;)

Funny story: One of my wife's two brothers recorded a Cardinals game on a cassette tape. That Christmas when their other brother and his wife were visiting home, they were driving somewhere. Jim had the tape in his tape player in his car and put it on. They're driving along for about ten minutes when the wife says, "What are the Cardinals doing playing in December?".

oneupper
08-03-2006, 10:37 AM
I'm getting in on this late, but...how can Freel make up for Kearns' 50 RBI's? Freel is a good leadoff hitter (some say--I'm not so sure), but he is no replacement for a power-hitting outfielder. All the talk, even from Krivsky was that Chris Denorfia would replace Kearns, and after three or four games, Narron or whoever gave up on that plan. Deno was sitting the pine and mostly has since though the excuse of leaving him in Louisville was PT and Kearns was the replacement. It's not working.



I'll agree with the assessment on the failed post-trade strategy, however I back up my initial analysis.

Post All Star

Player 1: 50 AB 16 H 5 2B 1 3B 2 HR 6 RBI .320 Avg .424 OBP 1.004 OPS
Player 2: 57 AB 17 H 5 2B 0 3B 1 HR 7 RBI .263 Avg .411 OBP .814 OPS

Guess who is whom?

So yes, Ryan Freel has "made up" for Austins production (so far). And if Austin were around, Freel wouldn't be playing.

As for FeLo...his LH bat is missed...no doubt. Clayton and Castro make too many outs.

As for the team:


To make sample sizes the same:

18 games Pre-All star game:

Runs Scored: 90 (5.00 per game)
Runs Allowed: 103: (5.72 per game)
7-11 in W-L

18 games Post All Star

Runs Scored: 80 (4.44 per game)
Runs Allowed: 86 (4.78 per game)
10-8 in W-L



Different opponents, different results.

So the team was sliding before the break...changes its composure, catches some fire and then resumes its slide. That's all.

Is the team better or worse? Probably more balanced, but not necessarily better. Instead of losing 10-5, we lose 5-3.

It's just a different kind of suck now.

BRM
08-03-2006, 10:42 AM
It's just a different kind of suck now.

The Krivsky era Reds new motto? :)

oneupper
08-03-2006, 10:56 AM
The Krivsky era Reds new motto? :)

No...but I'll use it!