Break Out the Brooms! Reds vs. Braves Game Thread (EE, Deno in)

[reds44]

Willy Aybar 3B Season .255 3 24
Marcus Giles 2B Season .269 8 40
Edgar Renteria SS Season .312 11 45
Andruw Jones CF Season .269 25 93
Brian McCann C Season .342 14 52
Jeff Francoeur RF Season .256 21 75
Adam LaRoche 1B Season .271 23 62
Ryan Langerhans LF Season .246 6 21
John Smoltz P Season .167 0 4


Brandon Phillips 2B Season .300 10 53
Scott Hatteberg 1B Season .318 10 35
Ken Griffey Jr. CF Season .238 22 61
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .283 7 45
Adam Dunn LF Season .257 33 75
David Ross C Season .297 13 33
Chris Denorfia RF Season .244 0 3
Royce Clayton SS Season .263 2 35
Kyle Lohse P Season --- 0 0

[redsfan30]

That's a decent lineup.

[RedsManRick]

Wow... it's almost a decent lineup. Just flip Dunn and Junior...

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn kills the ball in front of Griffey, so Narron drops him. Brilliant!

[wheels]

Well....It's all going to come down to Smoltz v. Lohse.

I think we all know how it's gonna end.

....Unless Jerry actually uses that fancy new bullpen.

[RBA]

Well....It's all going to come down to Smoltz v. Lohse.



Nope, if the Reds lose, it's becasue Rich Aurilia isn't starting. :laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

Ross moved up!

I like that.

Phillips leading off!

Keep it that way (unless Freel is playing).

[wheels]

I really like the idea of Ross batting behind Dunn.

It's not going to matter today, but this dog might be able to hunt down the stretch.

I'd like to see Ross hit fourth behind Dunn, moving Griffey into the fifth spot though.

[reds44]

Edwin has played 4 of the last 5 games.

Is Jerry feeling ok?

[OnBaseMachine]

With Lohse going against Smoltz, the Reds will need a miracle to win this one. Are you feeling lucky today?

[Falls City Beer]

I hope Smoltz gets vertigo or something.

[Blimpie]

At least EdE will see some good pitches today.

[Matt700wlw]

With Lohse going against Smoltz, the Reds will need a miracle to win this one. Are you feeling lucky today?

Smoltz is due to get rocked and rolled.



Maybe... ;)

[dougdirt]

OBM, Im feeling lucky today.....
(translation, we lose 11-3)

Lets hope we can get the bats rolling today!

[captainmorgan07]

im calling it now break out the brooms reds win this strong start by lohse 7 in 3 er phillips continues his hot hitting junior goes yard reds win 5-3 everday eddie back to save it in the 9th

[wheels]

I hope Smoltz gets vertigo or something.

I'd love it if he got a blister or something.

That would rock so hard.

[DoogMinAmo]

I'd love it if he got a blister or something.

That would rock so hard.

Or even better, he got traded to the Reds right before game time.

[smith288]

Or even better, he got traded to the Reds right before game time.
And started with Lohse setting up Not-so-Every-day Eddie.

[Matt700wlw]

Or even better, he got traded to the Reds right before game time.

Done!






Kidding.

[edabbs44]

And started with Lohse setting up Not-so-Every-day Eddie.
Three letters for Lohse: D F A

[Matt700wlw]

Three letters for Lohse: D F A

Can he at least pitch first?

[MrCinatit]

And started with Lohse setting up Not-so-Every-day Eddie.

...or the Braves went with their newest aquisition: David Williams.
A man can dream, right?
(okay, they don't have Williams, but hey...)

[redsfan30]

Man, judging by the comments here the game's already been played so I guess I won't waste the next 4 hours.

[smith288]

A gamethread is not complete unless a negative attitude about the game is attached to the thread.

[Falls City Beer]

Man, judging by the comments here the game's already been played so I guess I won't waste the next 4 hours.

Best I can judge, it was hyperbolic joking. Relax.

[Matt700wlw]

A gamethread is not complete unless a negative attitude about the game is attached to the thread.

Everything sucks.



:D

[Matt700wlw]

I like the Red tops....it makes them more "Reds"ish

[dougdirt]

Strikeout for Lohse. Nice start, lets see some more of it!

[Matt700wlw]

Giles grounds out to short.

2 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Renteria singles (5 game hitting streak)

[edabbs44]

Can he at least pitch first?
Let's all settle down. If you read the beginnings of game threads throughout the last few months, the following would be assumed:

1) EE, if playing, would make at least 3 errors in the 1st inning.
2) Griffey would go 0-6 and somehow give up the game winning home run.
3) Denorfia will cure cancer.
4) RA, with a RHP on the mound, will whiff every time. With a LHP, will hit 5 HRs.

Lohse has done nothing (both in Cincy and Minny) to give anyone any confidence. I'll need a lot of evidence to think that this was anything but a awful move.

[Joseph]

Lots of strikes so far. Hopefully a good thing.

[Gallen5862]

How is Lohse looking? What type pitches is he throwing?

[RBA]

Gone!

[Matt700wlw]

Well bummer.

Jones homers.

2-0 Bravados.

[MrCinatit]

ouch.

[Joseph]

Spoke too soon.

[OnBaseMachine]

Krivsky got raped in that deal.

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe next time he shouldn't throw a meatball down the middle of the plate.

Duh.

[CTA513]

Andruw Jones goes BOOM.

:thumbdown

[Joseph]

That pitch just sailed back in when it was meant to be away. I still like what I see, thus far.

[edabbs44]

http://www.brandamplitude.com/images/tape_measure.jpg

[Joseph]

FO to EE.

[Matt700wlw]

Krivsky got raped in that deal.

Wow...1 inning....hell, 1 stupid pitch.

And yes, maybe he did...but good lord, let it play out...

[Falls City Beer]

Joe Mays actually had a good season once. Lohse? Never. He's been an object lesson in awful.

[Joseph]

Called a tape measure shot by Braves announcers, it wasn't all that impressive.

[OnBaseMachine]

I still can't believe Krivsky gave up Zach Ward for this. Ward would probably put up similar numbers to Lohse in the majors right now.

[Falls City Beer]

Ward would probably put up similar numbers to Lohse in the majors right now.

Absolutely. I believe that with every fiber of my being.

[Red in Chicago]

Called a tape measure shot by Braves announcers, it wasn't all that impressive.

agreed...a little dramatic on the call...damn, jones is fat...

[edabbs44]

Wow...1 inning....hell, 1 stupid pitch.

And yes, maybe he did...but good lord, let it play out...
Everyone is allowed to have opinions, and in 2 innings so far in Cincy he has given up 6 hits and 3 ER. So for everyone saying let see what happens...it's happening.

[StillFunkyB]

Called a tape measure shot by Braves announcers, it wasn't all that impressive.

Yeah, no kidding. First row. Yeesh.

[Matt700wlw]

I still can't believe Krivsky gave up Zach Ward for this. Ward would probably put up similar numbers to Lohse in the majors right now.

I doubt it.

A ball isn't Major League baseball

[edabbs44]

I still can't believe Krivsky gave up Zach Ward for this. Ward would probably put up similar numbers to Lohse in the majors right now.
Don't forget that Minny didn't have to send any $ over in the deal, IIRC. That's the part that floors me.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow...1 inning....hell, 1 stupid pitch.

And yes, maybe he did...but good lord, let it play out...

Really? Only one inning? I don't think so. How about 2 innings, 6 hits, and runs allowed with the Reds. Or 64.2 innings of 7.10 ERA ball with the Twins? Or 909.1 innings with a career ERA of 4.89?

[Wheelhouse]

Joe Mays actually had a good season once. Lohse? Never. He's been an object lesson in awful.

2002 13-8 4.23
2003 14-11 4.61

those are not good years?

[Matt700wlw]

Everyone is allowed to have opinions, and in 2 innings so far in Cincy he has given up 6 hits and 3 ER. So for everyone saying let see what happens...it's happening.

Not a good start, no.

2 innings doesn't mean much, though.


Now...if he gets his head kicked in...another story.

[dsmith421]

Also, Lohse conceded an unbelievable 110 baserunners in 60 innings for his old employer, posting a 7.10 ERA. He then complained about being removed from the rotation for that notoriously overrated plonker, Francisco Liriano.

It's a joke we even considered trading for this guy, let alone gave up anything for him.

[reds44]

Haha 1 bad pitch to Jones and it is already a terrible trade.

I'll wait to pass my judgement.

[Matt700wlw]

Really? Only one inning? I don't think so. How about 2 innings, 6 hits, and runs allowed with the Reds. Or 64.2 innings of 7.10 ERA ball with the Twins? Or 909.1 innings with a career ERA of 4.89?

Ok...2 innings...that makes a whirlwind of a difference....

[Kc61]

Maybe next time he shouldn't throw a meatball down the middle of the plate.

Duh.

That pitch to Jones was really annoying. Some pitchers will do anything to avoid a walk. Walks are not good but you can't just groove it with 3 ball counts. If you walk a guy like Jones, it's not a disaster.

Terrible pitch.

[reds44]

The sky is falling!!!!

[Falls City Beer]

2002 13-8 4.23
2003 14-11 4.61

those are not good years?

No. Check out his OPS Against. 2003 was his only "average"-ish year. Every other year he's allowed tons of baserunners and homers. He is nothing but terrible.

[Joseph]

Well we've made two outs, might as well cash it in. </sarcasm>

[OnBaseMachine]

Ok...2 innings...that makes a whirlwind of a difference....

Did you not read that damn post? How about 60+ innings of 7.00+ ERA this year? Good grief.

[Matt700wlw]

Well we've made two outs, might as well cash it in. </sarcasm>

Baseball's a one inning game now. :)

[smith288]

2002 13-8 4.23
2003 14-11 4.61

those are not good years?
Dont go against the ways of FCB when he is in full pooh-pooh mode. Its a game of pointlessness.

[traderumor]

I know Lohse is new, but he just illustrated why I think the Reds have cut off their nose to spite their face with leading the league in least walks, or at least they were at last check. I know, I know, that has probably helped the ERA, but then again, Lohse did what so many Reds pitchers do to avoid the walk--gave in on a hitter's count. I didn't see that one move on Lohse, it looked like a four seamer aimed at the middle of the plate, I suppose with the hopes that Jones would miss it. He didn't.

Add to that the "get ahead strike" that everyone in the league knows about, and our pitchers are constantly behind the 8 ball. I think some philosophy changes still need to be made in the org and that probably is more important than the quality of arms, although both are needed, but without the former, the latter will be a moot point.

[reds44]

Did you not read that damn post? How about 60+ innings of 7.00+ ERA this year? Good grief.
Oh please he has been pitching well since the start of June.

ERA's can be inflated sometimes.

[edabbs44]

Lohse would have been an OK acquisition if there was $ sent over and someone with a lot of less promise was given up. That's the biggest issue I have.

[Falls City Beer]

Just for turds and giggles, look what Germano did--does anyone on earth think Germano is worse than Lohse?

[Matt700wlw]

Life stinks.

:griffey:

:jump:

[Joseph]

Hell yeah!

[reds44]

Junior!!!!!!

2-1!

[MrCinatit]

Junior! Junior! Junior! Junior!

[smith288]

Now THATS tape measure

[edabbs44]

Wow...hopefully Jr is coming back around. That was a bomb.

[TheBurn]

THAT was tape measure... JR
:jump:

[OnBaseMachine]

I think the Reds should bring back Dave Williams. It was, afterall, only 40 bad innings.

[dougdirt]

That was a SHOT.

Love Griffey Junior.

[Joseph]

Closer to tape measure than Jones' was.

[StillFunkyB]

THAT is a tape measure HR fellas.

[redsfan30]

Man, I wish that Junior guy would just retire....

[Matt700wlw]

I think the Reds should bring back Dave Williams. It was, afterall, only 40 bad innings.

He's hurt :D (I think)

[reds44]

EE smoked that.

[37red]

Well, in my opinion, I like cold draft beer over warm canned beer.

[RBA]

Jr's homer looked like he hit a tennis ball.

[edabbs44]

EE smoked that.
Narron is to RA as Reds44 is to EdE...:D

[dougdirt]

Well, after the first inning, I like what we did against Smoltz. We hit the ball HARD, just at people. Hopefully it will carry over to the rest of the game for our hitters.

[OnBaseMachine]

IIRC, next inning will be the 4th time Dunn has led off an inning since yesterday. Stupid move by Narron to drop his best hitter to 5th in the order.

[reds44]

Well, in my opinion, I like cold draft beer over warm canned beer.
Warm beer and white castle is not a good combo.


or so I'm told.

[captainmorgan07]

all 4 guys that inning smoked the ball good sign

[Matt700wlw]

IIRC, next inning will be the 4th time Dunn has led off an inning since yesterday. Stupid move by Narron to drop his best hitter to 5th in the order.

The man does nothing right ever, does he?

[reds44]

IIRC, next inning will be the 4th time Dunn has led off an inning since yesterday. Stupid move by Narron to drop his best hitter to 5th in the order.
Junior
Edwin
Dunn
Ross


is a fine middle of the order no matter who is hitting where. I'm not going to complain about it today.

[Wheelhouse]

No. Check out his OPS Against. 2003 was his only "average"-ish year. Every other year he's allowed tons of baserunners and homers. He is nothing but terrible.

Depends on the stat you value, Wins or OPS against.

[edabbs44]

IIRC, next inning will be the 4th time Dunn has led off an inning since yesterday. Stupid move by Narron to drop his best hitter to 5th in the order.
If you look at Dunn's OBP...that's not the worst thing. Who would you rather have leading off an inning...Jr or Dunn?

[Matt700wlw]

Hal reports Narron is mad him. :lol:

Hal was off yesterday, for the 6th time. The Reds are 6-0 when Hal is away.

[Matt700wlw]

If you look at Dunn's OBP...that's not the worst thing. Who would you rather have leading off an inning...Jr or Dunn?

Dunn's propensity to get on base is always a good thing, no matter where he hits.

[CTA513]

Throw Hacker nothing but balls.

[OnBaseMachine]

The man does nothing right ever, does he?

You're right. It's a great idea to bat our best hitter fifth. Hopefully he is dropped to 9th tomorrow. I'm sure you would think that is a great idea too. :cool:

[traderumor]

Nice shot Jr.!!!

I tell you what, Lohse has some stuff to work with. He may not be coachable, I dunno but mid 90s fastball and a backup slider are not a bad start. I can see why Minny fans must have been so frustrated, because he had unhittable stuff to the first three batters, let the third get on with a bloop and then gave in to the cleanup hitter. But he is 27 and has a good live arm, something sorely lacking in our org. Get some ideas on how to pitch inside his head and maybe he performs commensurate to his talent.

[37red]

true 44, but that's only a rumor of course

[smith288]

Lohse is actually pitching well. One mistake pitch. Hopefully he will limit those mistakes.

[Falls City Beer]

Depends on the stat you value, Wins or OPS against.

Hell, I'm not greedy. Just go on ERA, if you don't like OPSA. You do believe in ERA, don't you?

[BrooklynRedz]

Great pitch by Lohse. Just sayin'.

[Kc61]

[QUOTE=traderumor]I know Lohse is new, but he just illustrated why I think the Reds have cut off their nose to spite their face with leading the league in least walks, or at least they were at last check. I know, I know, that has probably helped the ERA, but then again, Lohse did what so many Reds pitchers do to avoid the walk--gave in on a hitter's count. I didn't see that one move on Lohse, it looked like a four seamer aimed at the middle of the plate, I suppose with the hopes that Jones would miss it. He didn't. QUOTE]

Agree. Don't know that all Reds pitchers do this, but it is a remnant of the "pitch to contact, avoid walks at all costs, philosophy."

If you look at pitchers' stats, sometimes their best years come when they issue some walks. When pitchers become paranoid about walking guys, they have problems. I remember Danny Graves' stats; he walked quite a few during his best seasons.

Just watching Lohse, he seems to have good stuff and is deceptive. But he has had command problems and perhaps is afraid of walking guys. Hume has to work with him on that.

[Wheelhouse]

Griffey is such a key in the stretch--he's the only guy we have that hit against anybody. Getting one back in that inning is such a key to the rest of the game instead of Smoltz cruising in the first inning.

[smith288]

Is it me or is LaRoche one ugly man? Im not a proponent of Metrosexuals but if anyone needed to be one, It has to be LaRoche.

[Matt700wlw]

Great pitch by Lohse. Just sayin'.

Looks like he's got some heat.

I don't think TBS shows the pitch speed, so I'm basing it on my eyes

[dsmith421]

Man, I wish that Junior guy would just retire....

Given that I was one of those calling for a reassessment of Junior's role last week, I feel like I need to respond. This kind of strawman crap is just old, and seems to be the preferred debating device on RZ.

No one seriously called for Griffey to retire, nor that he be "benched." Moved from CF, a position that he no longer can field at a high level? Yes. Moved down in the order when his numbers so dictate? Yes. But there has never been this tidal wave of Griffey man-hate people seem to decry.

And it's true of pretty much everything else. Someone criticizes Lohse for being crap, then he strikes someone out, and it's "oh, yeah, that Lohse guy can't pitch." Or states that Aurilia is a worse player than Encarnacion, then when Edwin screws up or Rich gets a big hit, it's all "well, if it were up to you guys Aurilia would be working at the Reno Taco del Mar, so that shows what you know" etc. It's as tiresome as the beating of certain dead horses, if you ask me.

[traderumor]

Good inning, 1-2-3.

[Joseph]

Nice inning by Lohse.

[Matt700wlw]

That was better.

[StillFunkyB]

Good job by Lohse. 3 up and 3 down, and your leavin Smoltz to lead it off next inning.

[OnBaseMachine]

Given that I was one of those calling for a reassessment of Junior's role last week, I feel like I need to respond. This kind of strawman crap is just old, and seems to be the preferred debating device on RZ.

No one seriously called for Griffey to retire, nor that he be "benched." Moved from CF, a position that he no longer can field at a high level? Yes. Moved down in the order when his numbers so dictate? Yes. But there has never been this tidal wave of Griffey man-hate people seem to decry.

And it's true of pretty much everything else. Someone criticizes Lohse for being crap, then he strikes someone out, and it's "oh, yeah, that Lohse guy can't pitch." Or states that Aurilia is a worse player than Encarnacion, then when Edwin screws up or Rich gets a big hit, it's all "well, if it were up to you guys Aurilia would be working at the Reno Taco del Mar, so that shows what you know" etc. It's as tiresome as the beating of certain dead horses, if you ask me.

Outstanding post.

[Wheelhouse]

Hell, I'm not greedy. Just go on ERA, if you don't like OPSA. You do believe in ERA, don't you?

Em, lest not start on this again...the guy has had a couple decent seasons and is not an abject lesson in failure as you said in your original post.

[CTA513]

Braves announcers said Lohse doesnt throw his curveball anymore and throws a slider instead.
Does anyone know why Lohse doesnt throw his curveball anymore?

[dsmith421]

If Lohse can give us 5 IP, 3 ER, I would have to call that a colossal success and he will receive one gold star in my book.

[traderumor]

BTW, I am going to be away at church camp all next week as a counselor and will miss the entire St. Loo series. I sure hope I don't come home to find us 6-1/2 behind in the Central and out of the wildcard lead :scared:

[Falls City Beer]

If Lohse can give us 5 IP, 3 ER, I would have to call that a colossal success and he will receive one gold star in my book.

We'll have to call the Vatican and have GAB turf consecrated--because a miracle will have occurred.

[smith288]

I hate when Dunn watches a grooved first pitch... but then Id hate it if he swung and did nothing so I cant complain a whole bunch.

[Heath]

.... it's all "well, if it were up to you guys Aurilia would be working at the Reno Taco del Mar....

http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/sf/photo/2003_community/cookbook_aurilia_200.jpg


I'll take the Fiesta Taco Salad with Rich's Guacamole Dip.....

[Joseph]

Ross is hitting under .250 over the last month, why is he hitting 6th again?

[Matt700wlw]

Striking out looking always bothers me...

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn is just 2-for-17 with 11 strikeouts in August and seems to have gone in one of his refuse-the-walk slumps. The Reds need him to get hot again...

[smith288]

Guys.. Denorfia sucks.

[Falls City Beer]

Ross is hitting under .250 over the last month, why is he hitting 6th again?

I guess because his season OPS is 1.023.

[Joseph]

Terrible AB for Deno. Yikes.

[redsfan30]

Denorfia has looked flat awful since he's been up.

[Matt700wlw]

Denorfia looks clueless...

[Wheelhouse]

Smoltz made Denorfia look awful--well, he does that alot.

[smith288]

I guess because his season OPS is 1.023.
Doubt Narron puts OPS that high on his reasons for lineup construction though.

[Joseph]

I guess because his season OPS is 1.023.

Which shows he's reverting to career norms now.

Dropping like a stone anyone?

[Blimpie]

Go ahead and pencil Denorfia down for four strikeouts today....

[Matt700wlw]

Smoltz made Denorfia look awful--well, he does that alot.

Denorfia's made himself look awful as of late.

[Red in Chicago]

deno looked like harang last year:eek:

[Matt700wlw]

deno looked like harang last year:eek:

Harang's excused. He's a pitcher ;)

[smith288]

deno looked like harang last year:eek:
Yea, a professional ballplayer should never look like a math professor trying his hand against a pro pitcher.

[Falls City Beer]

Which shows he's reverting to career norms now.

Dropping like a stone anyone?

Yeah, he's correcting somewhat, but I wouldn't say he's dropping like a stone.

[Matt700wlw]

Yeah, he's correcting somewhat, but I wouldn't say he's dropping like a stone.

You have before....same with Phillips....

[Kc61]

deno looked like harang last year:eek:

Deno's spot as a starting all-star is in jeopardy. Of course, he'll still make the squad as a reserve.

[Matt700wlw]

Another 1,2,3 by the worst pitcher in the history of baseball, cricket, and softball

[redsfan30]

Aside from the pitch to Jones, Lohse has looked fantastic so far this afternoon.

[Falls City Beer]

You have before....same with Phillips....

I said that about Phillips, and I warned against thinking Ross would keep up his pace from earlier in the season (which he hasn't), but his "correction" has been relatively smooth and less precipitous than expected. I don't think I ever said he would "drop like a stone." Phillips really did drop like a stone. He's only now beginning to get hot again.

[Joseph]

Aside from the pitch to Jones, Lohse has looked fantastic so far this afternoon.

He really has looked sharp.

[dougdirt]

Another 1,2,3 by the worst pitcher in the history of baseball, cricket, and softball

For the record, I am NOT pitching today.

[Red in Chicago]

does anyone else want to strangle dr. z:bang:

[Matt700wlw]

I said that about Phillips, and I warned against thinking Ross would keep up his pace from earlier in the season (which he hasn't), but his "correction" has been relatively smooth and less precipitous than expected. I don't think I ever said he would "drop like a stone." Phillips really did drop like a stone. He's only now beginning to get hot again.

I think Phillips is one of those guys that when he's on he's going to be terrific, and when he's off, he's going to look bad.

I'll take it though, he's been huge for this team.

[Matt700wlw]

For the record, I am NOT pitching today.

Ok...second worst :D

[dsmith421]

Aside from the pitch to Jones, Lohse has looked fantastic so far this afternoon.

Problem being, as we've learned from Milton, it doesn't take a whole lot of bad pitches to lose a game.

I agree with your general premise, however, Lohse has looked sharp.

[reds44]

2 good innings for Loshe.

We wanted to cut him after 2 bad innings, so can we give him the CY Young after 2 good innings?

[Red in Chicago]

for those watching/listening on tbs, did thom really need to bring up the riots in downtown cincy regarding attendance?

[Kc61]

This is a game where the 3 catcher system hurts. If the Reds had a left handed hitting reserve outfielder instead of a third catcher, today would be the day for him to play. Deno against Smoltz doesn't seem like a fair matchup.

[Matt700wlw]

2 good innings for Loshe.

We wanted to cut him after 2 bad innings, so can we give him the CY Young after 2 good innings?

I'll be fair...I said 2 inning doesn't mean squat. 4 innings really doesn't either, but today so far, I like what I see.

[redsmetz]

does anyone else want to strangle dr. z:bang:

Oh I think the Dr. Z ad campaign has all the looks of one of the worst campaigns ever. Boy, it makes me want to run out and buy a car.

[Blimpie]

does anyone else want to strangle dr. z:bang::wave:

[traderumor]

You know, there's being honest about players and their warts, but just because a player is on the Reds seems to cause the same syndrome that some coaches have when coaching their own kids. I would call it hypercritical syndrome, and it makes the gamethreads about as enjoyable as listening to those coaches incessant riding of their kids.

[OnBaseMachine]

2 good innings for Loshe.

We wanted to cut him after 2 bad innings, so can we give him the CY Young after 2 good innings?

No, we wanted to cut him after 900+ bad innings. Let's read correctly before making a post like yours.

[reds44]

No, we wanted to cut him after 900+ bad innings. Let's read correctly before making a post like yours.
Going from the AL to the NL can do wonders for pitchers.

[edabbs44]

No, we wanted to cut him after 900+ bad innings. Let's read correctly before making a post like yours.
Yep, and b/c WK gave up a legit prospect.

[reds44]

Shift that.

2-2!

[Matt700wlw]

The washed up, waste of a roster space is 2 for 2

:)

[OnBaseMachine]

Griff with a great piece of hitting...

[BrooklynRedz]

Fantastic at-bat by Grif.

[reds44]

That was a ball.

[redsfan30]

Junior looks night and day better.

Going the other way, driving the ball.....if he's not back, he's awfully close.

[Matt700wlw]

That was a ball.

But a walk doesn't score a run ;)

[reds44]

That was another ball.

SHould be 3-0.

[dsmith421]

The washed up, waste of a roster space is 2 for 2.

Keep knockin' down those strawmen.

Great job by Ken Junior, and hopefully this recent turnaround in his fortunes will really boost our offense--he is in many ways the lynchpin of the club at this point. Long may it continue!

[redsfan30]

I have no issue with this umpire giving the pitchers the outside corner. He's been consistant with that call, so I have no issue with it.

[BrooklynRedz]

Gonna be a short afternoon for Smoltzie. Really laboring out there.

[redsfan30]

Yess!!!

[MrCinatit]

Oh, Edwin just missed that!

[OnBaseMachine]

EE is a stud!

[Matt700wlw]

Edwin!!

[reds44]

EDWIN!!!!!!!!!!

4-2!!!!!!

play him everyday!!!!!

[redsfan30]

Junior looked good going first to home as well.

[reds44]

Those 36 year old legs were moving pretty well.

[TheBurn]

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8869/farley3xbde7.gif

[Matt700wlw]

play him everyday!!!!!

Won't happen!

:thumbdown

[MrCinatit]

Edwin can hit - that did not look like an easy ball to hit (at least for me). He does NOT need to be riding the pines.

[Falls City Beer]

Edwin schools one of the toughest righthanders in the game on that AB. Good lord, this kid is a monster. :beerme:

[Matt700wlw]

A homer would have been more clutch ;)

[WVRedsFan]

Bench 'em both. WE need more Rich and Denorfia (Freel), right? Are you with me here?

:evil:

[reds44]

Edwin can hit - that did not look like an easy ball to hit (at least for me). He does NOT need to be riding the pines.
Took it the other way too.

[Blimpie]

I have no idea why Smoltz threw a fastball to EdE...

The umpire is giving him the call on the slider low & away to righties. Nobody can do anything but flail at it...

[CTA513]

Good job by Giffey and Encarnacion to get the runs in this inning.

:beerme:

[Heath]

EDWIN!!!!!!!!!!

4-2!!!!!!

play him everyday!!!!!


Why? That would take out 3/4 of the threads around here and Boss & GIK would be hosting redszoneghosttown.com

Not good for the bandwith.

:D

BTW, Chris Denorfia doesn't slump. He morphs.

[redsfan30]

Good inning fellas!

Keep dealing, Mr. Lohse!!!

[Blimpie]

Oh, Edwin just missed that!His first AB he hit it almost to the same exact spot.

[MrCinatit]

Took it the other way too.

Hey, now, I used every bit of my hitting knowledge with that last post :p:
But you are correct. He and Dunn could keep this a scary lineup for years to come.

[SteelSD]

I have no idea why Smoltz threw a fastball to EdE...

The umpire is giving him the call on the slider low & away to righties. Nobody can do anything but flail at it...

I was wondering that myself. Encarnacion had to be already looking away to protect against the slider- especially after meekly fouling off the previous offering. So Smoltz throws him a fastball away? Weird.

[Falls City Beer]

Smoltz is Custer.

Is this Atlanta's last stand?

[wheels]

I'm starting to think this club might get a little hot with the bats.

Just in time for the Cardinals.

[Kc61]

Edwin can hit - that did not look like an easy ball to hit (at least for me). He does NOT need to be riding the pines.

Smoltz was throwing breakers outside to EE and fooling him. Then EE fouled one off and JS decided he needed to go to the fastball. EE's bat is so quick Smoltz could not get it by him.

Outstanding at bat by EE. He adjusted to the outside breaking pitch and got the fastball to drive.

EE really can be an outstanding hitter as he continues to progress. I think he will get more and more playing time with at bats such as the last one.

[reds44]

Except for the pitch to Jones, Loshe has done a good job hitting the corners and not throwing it over the meat of the plate.

He needs to get ahead of hitters so he can afford to keep trying to do that.

[OnBaseMachine]

Had Edwin not gotten hurt and our manager would play him everyday, then he would probably have racked up 20 homers, 50+ doubles, roughly 70 walks and probably over 100+ runs batted in by the end of the season.

[Blimpie]

Nice play by Lohse to set down Renteria. That's eight in a row set down by Lohse...

[Matt700wlw]

Walk Jones the rest of the game.

[Tony Cloninger]

I was suprised at how BP missed a hanging type slider on his first pitch of that inning. It said hit me all over it.

Smoltz really blew it with that pitch to EE....i mean no way he can hit that slider.... i guess he figured a 3rd slider might be too much, might hang it....so why not suprise him with a fastball.

[reds44]

With Smoltz pitching, I thought for sure Rich would be starting today because he is a vet. I am glad I was wrong.

Hopefully Jerry is coming around.

[Matt700wlw]

Note: Weaver pitches for the Cards tomorrow.

[wheels]

Don't know if this has been touched in the game thread, but here goes...

What is the deal with Lohse. Is he a perfect example of my eyes decieving me? His fastball has decent pop, he seems to be throwing strikes today, but he did hang a slider to Andruw.

Is he one of those pitchers that with more exposure allows lots of hard contact?

Maybe that's why he's more successful out of the pen....Limited exposure?

Any thoughts?

[Falls City Beer]

Hopefully Jerry is coming around.

Don't count on it. He's an addict with his crack-rock sitting on the bench with him as we speak. I bet he comes in in the late innings for defensive replacement.

[MrCinatit]

What was really nice about Edwin's AB was the Braves annoncers were really talking him up, stating he could have a bright future with this ballclub.
It really is nice to see other announcers recognize our talent - and not do it in the honey-dripped Grandeish style.

[BrooklynRedz]

I have no idea why Smoltz threw a fastball to EdE...

The umpire is giving him the call on the slider low & away to righties. Nobody can do anything but flail at it...

I think he's got the makings of a blister.

[Matt700wlw]

gone. Bye. See ya.

[reds44]

Don't count on it. He's an addict with his crack-rock sitting on the bench with him as we speak. I bet he comes in in the late innings for defensive replacement.
I wouldn't have a problem with Edwin being taken out for a defensive replacement late in a game. However it should be Castro not Rich.


Btw, why would you ever throw Francouer a strike? He swings at everything.

[dsmith421]

Great pitch by Lohse there.

I'll say this about Jeff Francoeur--even though I implicitly know he's not the toughest out and should be a reasonably easy assignment for a pitcher in good form--he scares the crap out of me. Great swing, always seems to make contact and his foul balls are uniformly scorched at 400 mph.

[reds44]

What was really nice about Edwin's AB was the Braves annoncers were really talking him up, stating he could have a bright future with this ballclub.
It really is nice to see other announcers recognize our talent - and not do it in the honey-dripped Grandeish style.
He is hitting over .330 with RISP now.

:eek:

[redsfan30]

Ross, Denorfia and Clayton due up for the Reds.

[oneupper]

gone. Bye. See ya.


Matt...you are killing me. I'm relying on the Game Thread here. I thought the game was tied (HR)...:eek:

BTW, greeting from Zürich, REDZONERS!

[Tony Cloninger]

Loshe....ALMOST...made his 2nd bad pitch of the game....

JF was down 1-2.....Ross sets up outside.....calls for something way outside....ball moves so much...that it was almost in the middle of the plate and JF fouled it. Could have easily hit that one out.

Keep your head up FCB and OBM...... he will suck for you soon enough. ;) :laugh:

[redsfan30]

62 pitches for Lohse through four innings.

[reds44]

Anybody know if Eddie is available today if we get to the 9th with a lead?

[OnBaseMachine]

Keep your head up FCB and OBM...... he will suck for you soon enough. ;) :laugh:

I hope not. I'm a Reds fan - I don't root for Reds players to fail just to make me look good.

[redsfan30]

Anybody know if Eddie is available today if we get to the 9th with a lead?
I believe so, yes.

[Matt700wlw]

Anybody know if Eddie is available today if we get to the 9th with a lead?

Kremcheck told me earlier that he should be....I guess ultimately it's up to Jerry and Eddie himself

[BrooklynRedz]

Don't know if this has been touched in the game thread, but here goes...

What is the deal with Lohse. Is he a perfect example of my eyes decieving me? His fastball has decent pop, he seems to be throwing strikes today, but he did hang a slider to Andruw.

Is he one of those pitchers that with more exposure allows lots of hard contact?

Maybe that's why he's more successful out of the pen....Limited exposure?

Any thoughts?

I'm sitting here asking the same things. I don't get it. I know some people in the Twins org LOATHED this guy. A good bit had to do with expectations never met and what was perceived as a poor work ethic.

[reds44]

Kremcheck told me earlier that he should be....I guess ultimately it's up to Jerry and Eddie himself
Gracias.

[redsfan30]

Hey, Denorfia's seen three pitches and he's not back on the bench.

Progress!!!!!

[Tony Cloninger]

I was kidding OBM......and i understand your distate for this trade beacuse of Ward, mainly.

I guess we are seeing why Loshe will keep getting chances....he has some good stuff. But he can also be one of those pitchers who when he makes 2 or 3 mistakes....will lose the ball game for you.

[WVRedsFan]

Anybody know if Eddie is available today if we get to the 9th with a lead?

No. McCoy talked to Narron and Eddie and his arm hurts so bad he doesn't want to pitch and "hurt the club."

He's out indefinitely and maybe on the DL.

[redsfan30]

Denorfia has a new strategy.....don't swing the bat.

It worked!

[Matt700wlw]

This ump has a generous strike zone that is CONSISTANT to both clubs.

That is all I ask.

[OnBaseMachine]

Good atbat by Denorfia. That 3-2 pitch was a tough pitch to lay off of.

[Falls City Beer]

Hey, Denorfia's seen three pitches and he's not back on the bench.

Progress!!!!!

Good at-bat. One of the better on the day.

[reds44]

No. McCoy talked to Narron and Eddie and his arm hurts so bad he doesn't want to pitch and "hurt the club."

He's out indefinitely and maybe on the DL.


Kremcheck told me earlier that he should be....I guess ultimately it's up to Jerry and Eddie himself


:confused: :confused:

[Matt700wlw]

Denorfia has a new strategy.....don't swing the bat.

It worked!

His telepathic powers caused John Smoltz to walk him. He moved the ball 4 times out of the strike zone, all with his mind.

[oneupper]

Hey, Denorfia's seen three pitches and he's not back on the bench.

Progress!!!!!

What's with the ganging up on Denorfia? Is this "Everybody Hates Chris'?

I'm Starting the DENO ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE.
Give the kid a chance..:)

[Matt700wlw]

:confused: :confused:

My report was at 11:45...Hal may have had an update.

I guess we'll see :laugh:

[Tony Cloninger]

That sucks for Eddie and the team.

I see Bray and Coffey splitting the closer role.

[Falls City Beer]

No. McCoy talked to Narron and Eddie and his arm hurts so bad he doesn't want to pitch and "hurt the club."

He's out indefinitely and maybe on the DL.

I REALLY appreciate Eddie's honesty. It's refreshing. Now it's the FO's job to put 25 players on this 25 man roster.

[WVRedsFan]

:confused: :confused:

2nd inning talk with Marty. Said the arm hurt so bad Friday night that he was "very fortunate" to get out of that situation. He's not available according to Marty and Hal.

You listening to the broadcast, Matt?

[OnBaseMachine]

3-1 count. Take this pitch Royce.

[redsfan30]

Smoltz is struggling today...his pitch count is already aproaching 80.

[MrCinatit]

His telepathic powers caused John Smoltz to walk him. He moved the ball 4 times out of the strike zone, all with his mind.

With all due respect, he did not move the ball.
He moved the Earth.

[redsfan30]

Jones just made that play look easy.

[Matt700wlw]

3-1 count. Take this pitch Royce.


...or not

[Heath]

Steve Stewart made the most exciting pbp of a foul ball.

[TheBurn]

That was a preety sweet cut by Lohse!

[reds44]

2nd inning talk with Marty. Said the arm hurt so bad Friday night that he was "very fortunate" to get out of that situation. He's not available according to Marty and Hal.

You listening to the broadcast, Matt?
Alright thanks for clearing that up.

Did he say anything about who will be closing? I assume Bray.

[Blimpie]

79 pitches through 4 innings for Smoltz.

[Kc61]

Terrible about Eddie G but thankfully all these relief acquisitions provide some depth. Reds have a pretty well stocked pen and still have Merck, Shack, possibly Belisle who could be added soon. But if Eddie G is out, it's still a loss.

[dsmith421]

Scott Olsen pitching well in Miami--Fish lead 2-1 in the fifth.

[Falls City Beer]

Terrible about Eddie G but thankfully all these relief acquisitions provide some depth. Reds have a pretty well stocked pen and still have Merck, Shack, possibly Belisle who could be added soon. But if Eddie G is out, it's still a loss.

Considering he's been by far the most effective reliever traded for in July.

[Blimpie]

Nice play by Phillips.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice play by Phillips.

[Matt700wlw]

Brandon Phillips is cool.

[Blimpie]

Nice play by Phillips.Get out of my brain...:eek:

[OnBaseMachine]

Scott Olsen pitching well in Miami--Fish lead 2-1 in the fifth.

Olsen is developing into a stud. That Marlins pitching staff is scary good. Fun fact: The Marlins are 40-17 over their last 57 games.