Tonight's Lineup - EE at 3rd, Freel back in RF 8/7/2006

[Redsfanao]

Hitters AB R H BI BB K LO AVG
R. Belliard 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222
C. Duncan LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285
A. Pujols 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .324
S. Rolen 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .316
J. Edmonds CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
J. Encarnacion RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
Y. Molina C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .213
A. Miles SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .266
J. Weaver P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 0

CINCINNATI REDS
Hitters AB R H BI BB K LO AVG
R. Freel RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .296
A. Dunn LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255
K. Griffey Jr. CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .242
E. Encarnacion 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287
S. Hatteberg 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .318
B. Phillips 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .296
J. Valentin C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .220
R. Clayton SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263
E. Ramirez P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .160
Totals 0

I'm getting pumped for this one to start. Go Reds!

[lucky bugle boy]

I like that lineup. Is something wrong with Aurilia?

[registerthis]

Nice lineup.

[deltachi8]

ill take it

[Joseph]

Good line up indeed.

[Fullboat]

Heavy fines for anybody that swings at pitches that are not over
the plate tonight.Weaver is a BB machine.:thumbup:

[RedsFanatic]

I think the consensus is.....

Edwin in=good lineup
Edwin out=what the **** is Narron doing

[Reds Freak]

Uh oh...anytime this board agrees with Narron's lineups it seems like the Reds get shutout. But then I look at who's hitting in the number 9 hole for the other team and that seems highly improbable.

[lucky bugle boy]

I think the consensus is.....

Edwin in=good lineup
Edwin out=what the **** is Narron doing
Other good things about this lineup:

Dunn batting 2.
Aurilia not batting cleanup.
Freel leads off.
Everyone but Lizard batting ahead of Clayton (Clayton not batting 1 or 2).

[UPRedsFan]

Griffey's warming up... like to see him explode tonight against Weaver!

[cincy09]

with Weaver going we better send a statement tonight

[reds44]

I like that lineup. Is something wrong with Aurilia?
He has a sevre case of Edwinisbetteritis.

It appears Edwin has finally gotten his starting job back!!!

[TOBTTReds]

:laugh:
He has a sevre case of Edwinisbetteritis.

[redssouth]

Lets go Reds... need to set the tone for the series tonight. WIth each win of which ever team in this series, more and more pressure gets placed on the other team. I am still upset that the game from yesterday slipped away, talk about a momentum builder, but, it can all be picked back up tonight. The over/under on this game is 10.5 runs. I see that total being picked up in the first 5 innings.

One other note, Albert scares the crap out of me, but not as much with Belliard and Duncan hitting ahead of him. (Now Belliard and Duncan combine for 7 hits and about 25 total bases)

[Tony Cloninger]

Good to see that JN is seeing RA go into a slump....early enough...in that slump, instead of wating until he goes 4 for 30..or something like that.

[IrishDavidKY]

Like the lineup!! The Reds should light up Weaver. Good to see EE getting playing time.

[keeganbrick]

I like that lineup. Is something wrong with Aurilia?
Do you see what Jerry Narron has done to us????

[vic715]

We're gonna need to score some tonight with the Lizard on the mound for us. He seems to always have that one bad inning that puts us in the hole.Yet there are times he's sharp. I hope tonight he's sharp.

[UGADaddy]

Castro > Clayton

Redlegs Record 57-54

Agreed. Also would like to see DRoss (OPS over 1.0 is best on team) behind the plate, but I guess we need JV because of language barrier with Lizard or righty/lefty advantage?? And I hate all the negativity towards Aurilia. I know EdE's getting hot, but doesn't defense count for something anymore??

[keeganbrick]

Yea, I would love to see Ross in there more. Has anyone noticed how Ross seems to be pulling off the ball ever since he came off the DL?

[fisch11]

Dang Belliard...go back to the AL.

[SanDiegoRed]

Lizard always seems to start bad....

[GOREDSGO32]

......

Wait I better be positive before people jump on me. It's only two runs! We're only 3.5 back! It doesn't matter if we lose, we're still good!

:gag:

[SanDiegoRed]

Yuck

[keeganbrick]

Wow, Lohse as our #3 anyone?

[fisch11]

Great start.

[SanDiegoRed]

Oh oh....

[fisch11]

4 pitches and we're down 2-0.

[GOREDSGO32]

3-0 St Louis.

[GOREDSGO32]

Hey what are the home fans doing? Booing?? Gasp .. they aren't real fans!

[SanDiegoRed]

Well lets hope we light up Weaver...

[solo-baric]

doing great tonight!!

[fisch11]

Well, I WAS excited. Now it's going to take awhie to get me back in this game.

[keeganbrick]

Look at that range RICH!!

[major harris]

Ramirez is a human gas can.:bang:

[fisch11]

Wow!

[GOREDSGO32]

That's game boys.

[fisch11]

EE almost makes an unbelievable DP outta that hot shot.

[keeganbrick]

WOW, does the pain ever stop!!!!!:bash: :barf: :pray:

[major harris]

good thing I bet the OVER 10.5

[SanDiegoRed]

Omg

[fisch11]

What the heck is going on?

[keeganbrick]

Calling Homer Bailey......:help:

[major harris]

I bet we come right back with at least 3 in the B of 1st.

[fisch11]

Chris Welsh is tearing apart EZ for serving up a meatball to Molina.

[TOBTTReds]

This is getting ridiculous. I sure hope our hitters ate their Wheaties today.

[fisch11]

I bet we come right back with at least 3 in the B of 1st.

I pray that you are right.

[bucknutdet]

At this rate, maybe tickets should be 3/4 off for the rest of the series. Since we have been getting 3/4 pitching the last 2 weeks, it only makes sense.

[MaineRed]

When did the Reds get Jose Acevedo back, and was it really neccessary to throw him into a pennant race?

[TOBTTReds]

Chris Welsh is tearing apart EZ for serving up a meatball to Molina.

I am too. I'm a big fan of his, but he and Valentin are looking like idiots.

[bucknutdet]

After the first 4 doubles the next Cardinal batter should have had a hole put in his helmet.

[MaineRed]

Keep your heads up boys, Weaver is bound to give up 5, 6 runs, easy.

[major harris]

When did the Reds get Jose Acevedo back, and was it really neccessary to throw him into a pennant race?
:roll:

[major harris]

I bet we come right back with at least 3 in the B of 1st.


....or not.

:angry:

[fisch11]

Hitting him hard. Right at leather though.

[MaineRed]

Griffey really can't hit anymore, can he?

[Razor Shines]

After the first 4 doubles the next Cardinal batter should have had a hole put in his helmet.
Yep. They look way too comfortable. I like EZ, every pitcher has a game like this though. Seeing how he responds will be interesting.

[MaineRed]

Come on Edwin, baby.

[keeganbrick]

I dont wanna see anyone else swingin at the first pitch tonight.

[fisch11]

Jr. laces Weaver to the right field wall. Every batter is hitting him hard....good sign!

[fisch11]

2 down with Jr. on first. EE up.

[MaineRed]

Seeing how he responds will be interesting.

I saw how he responded, and I didn't like it.

But I get what you are saying. He's got to shake it off.

[Razor Shines]

Griffey really can't hit anymore, can he?
No that last hit was an illusion.

[UPRedsFan]

Save us Ryan Franklin, save us.

[fisch11]

EE K's on ball four. 5-0 to the 2nd.

Weaver leads off...

[major harris]

Narron should have started Aurillia

:evil:

[fisch11]

The way Freel, Dunn, Jr. looked against Weaver, I don't doubt that we will score 5 or 6 runs....but can we hold St. Louis to 5 for the rest of the game? That's the million dollar question. Hopefully, EZ pulls through like Milton and Lohse have done by getting rocked in the 1st and throwing up zeros through 6.

[bucknutdet]

Well maybe we'll win the next 3, but tomorrow night's pitching matchup is far from favorable.

[GOREDSGO32]

HR. 6-0 St Louis. Fans who paid half price was still half too much.

And as Marty is saying, he's right on - we just still don't have enough starting pitching to compete all year long, plain and simple.

[keeganbrick]

What do you do? Do you just leave him in there and rest the bullpen for the rest of the series?

[MaineRed]

"I haven't seen a guy get hit this hard since Jimmy Haynes!"

OOOOOUUUUUUCCCCCHHHHHH!

[GOREDSGO32]

Wayne Krivsky and Tim Kremchek are meeting with the media right now too they just announced, wtf? John Fay had to leave the booth with Marty .. something about Majeski apparently.

[MaineRed]

The Haynes thing was a Chris Welsh quote for anyone not watching the game.

[MaineRed]

Yup, George talking about it now.

[MaineRed]

I have a bad feeling its about to be 9-0.

[keeganbrick]

I think I'll stick to WLW tonight so I can learn more details about the Majewski issue.

[GOREDSGO32]

Two errors on the play, STL up 7-0. Wow.

[keeganbrick]

a 2 error play, whats next?

[MaineRed]

Now the Lizard is getting no help on routine plays. It's gotten ugly.

[CincyReds2003]

About time Narron!

[solo-baric]

we might have to 10 run rule this game tonight!!

[fisch11]

:all_cohol

[GOREDSGO32]

Franklin coming in. And the biggest game in a long time has been completely blown. It's only the first game of 7 in the next two weeks versus STL, but a hell of a way to start it out huh?

[keeganbrick]

Ryan Franklin in his Reds debut, please dont hang one, please!!

[SanDiegoRed]

Homer time??

[Redsfan08]

Ramirez is always bad at home for some reason

[keeganbrick]

Homer time??
Bailey or grand slam by Franklin?

[GOREDSGO32]

Inning ova.

[MaineRed]

Well, now we know why we got Franklin. Who in the world would the Reds be bringing in right now if Franklin were not available?

I'm not saying WK knew we needed him tonight but good thing we got him. We'd have NO bullpen for the rest of this series if we did not trade for Franklin. Do we have anyone who could go more than 2 innings? If one person covered two, that would still leave 5 innings. Basically the entire bullpen would of been used tonight.

We might get killed but if Franklin can give us 5, even if he gets beat up, it might be a big key looking back.

I think we'd be in for some serious trouble if we didn't have a long man right now.

[SanDiegoRed]

The starting pitching has sure gone south....Arroyo needs to revert to form and someone else needs to step up if this team has any chance at the post season...

[MaineRed]

The starting pitching has sure gone south....Arroyo needs to revert to form and someone else needs to step up if this team has any chance at the post season...

Well said.

[CincyReds2003]

Why are we swinging at 1-0 pitches...show some patience!!!!

[keeganbrick]

When something like this happens I find myself wondering maybe it wouldnt be so bad if Bailey came up to save this team and was our #3 starter when we made the playoffs.

Then my other half says no, dont you dare rush him.

On a side note, we need baserunners stop swinging at the first 2 pitches you see.

[CincyReds2003]

Good job Valentin!

[MaineRed]

Way to go Javy.

That will help HIS confidence, if nothing else. He hasn't been the same Javy from last year.

[solo-baric]

at least i got one!

[SanDiegoRed]

Let's get it on offense!

[CincyReds2003]

Good job Royce!

[MaineRed]

Royce "Hit Machine" Clayton on board.

At the least, Freel can lead off the next inning.

Come on, if your posting in this thread, your holding out hope. Right?

[major harris]

for us out of towners..

Is it 7-2 or 8-2...sportsline has it all screwed up?

[MaineRed]

Like I said, Freel can lead off the next inning.

[MaineRed]

7-1

[CincyReds2003]

Royce "Hit Machine" Clayton on board.

At the least, Freel can lead off the next inning.

Come on, if your posting in this thread, your holding out hope. Right?



With this team...anything can happen...and when you're playing the Cardinals..anything can happen..Especially with as many leads as the Cardinals have blown this year.

[solo-baric]

7-1

[major harris]

CBS had it 8-0...then 7-0....now 7-2


:bang:

[GOREDSGO32]

Face it .. this was inevitable. We didn't have a very good 5th starter all season, we knew at the start Dave Williams was meat, then Ramirez saved that spot by pitching much better than expected for a while - but then Claussen fell apart and we tried to replace with Mays and spot starters, now Lohse.

Arroyo having a major career year took us as far as we could go, a few games over .500 - but we had to know that was coming back down to earth. Milton has been the worst signing in recent Reds history, the worst investment of money ever - we are just riding that sinking ship until its gone. Ramirez we had to know wasn't doing to stand up. The starting pitching was the only thing holding up our season, and with the bullpen being consistently bad - and the offense known for being inconsistently bad sometimes, we had to have the pitching to stay even decent. Now that has come back to earth, we're done. Even in a poor NL, one of the poorest ever we're not doing well enough right now to make the playoffs.

There's not much you can do when you are handicapped by two overpaid junk players like Milton and Griffey - and you rely on DFA players and other teams player dumps as your goto guys. Sure they may step up for a while, but eventually they come back to earth .. thats what we're dealing with here.

[CincyReds2003]

CBS had it 8-0...then 7-0....now 7-2


:bang:


Stupid Sportsline!!!!:D

[Redsfan08]

lets jeff weaver is a bad pitcher we need to do damage now

[keeganbrick]

Who walks Miles, seriously?

[fisch11]

Any news on the press conference they were calling? I've heard that Claussen is out for the season with a torn rotator cuff and sorts....also rumblings about Gary Majewski (besides the DL move).

[CincyReds2003]

Who walks Miles, seriously?


The same guy who struck out 2 in this inning..:D

[Redsfan08]

Who walks Miles, seriously?

bad pitchers:)

[fisch11]

Ryan Franklin is trying to be our savior.

[keeganbrick]

The same guy who struck out 2 in this inning..:D
I'll give you that.

[solo-baric]

The same guy who struck out 2 in this inning..:D


still 6 innings left. don't count your chickens till that hatch.

[keeganbrick]

Lets draw some walks!!!

[CincyReds2003]

still 6 innings left. don't count your chickens till that hatch.


Hell, how worse can it get.

[solo-baric]

Hell, how worse can it get.

when you rely on the reds pin to carry you for 8 innings do i really need to answer that?

[fisch11]

Ok, now we ROCK Weaver. I mean at least 5 runs if LaRussa leaves him out there long enough.

[Redsfan08]

Narron is not a good manager even though it dosent have to do with this game

[SanDiegoRed]

I wonder who on this pitching staff Krivsky will really want back next year.He may have to pick a few and then crash and burn the whole staff, really build his own from the beginning rather than using other teams junk out of desperation. Bray, Arroyo, Coffey,Harang and maybe Lizard may be the only 5 to return...

[fisch11]

There goes Freel again....trying to get picked down 6 runs with Dunn up. He doesn't seem to learn that.

[fisch11]

Dunn K's looking. 1 down.

[Redsfan08]

good god come on now I would give up that indians win if we could win today

[Redsfan08]

Dunn K's looking. 1 down.

so whats new

[keeganbrick]

Wow, two strike three calls looking. Cmon guys.

[fisch11]

Jr. K's looking. 2 down.

Killing the leadoff walk here.

[fisch11]

EE doubles. 2nd and 3rd.

[redssouth]

These would be two nice runs to pick up...

[keeganbrick]

Could BP be our savior once again?

[redssouth]

Lets go BP!!! Good contact here!!

[fisch11]

Hatty walks. Bases juiced for BP.

[SeeinRed]

Where is the agressiveness at? Down 6, I don't see how you can watch a so many third strikes. Freel is even showing a lack of energy on the bases. This team needs somebody to make something happen. They are very very flat right now. Then again, being down 5 in the first inning will do that to a team.

[major harris]

Hatteberg has to see more pitches than any other player in the big leagues.

[GOREDSGO32]

Inning over.

[fisch11]

BP flies out. Strand 3. 7-1 to the 4th.


That was a good chance to crawl back in it. Imagine if Dunn and Jr. didn't K looking. Oh well, keep on 'em Reds.

[redssouth]

If Dunn and Jr dont K looking maybe they hit into a Double Play, why does it matter how they made an out?

[keeganbrick]

Another web gem to add to the long list.:p:

[Razor Shines]

Hatteberg has to see more pitches than any other player in the big leagues.
Actually Dunn has seen something like over 500 (2000) more pitches than Hatte. And last time I checked BP(14??) was 2nd but Hatte(14??) was right behind him.

[keeganbrick]

Back to back walk to Miles, what in the hell is going on???

:)

[fisch11]

If Dunn and Jr dont K looking maybe they hit into a Double Play, why does it matter how they made an out?

I'd rather see an out when you take the bat off of your shoulders.

[spaethc]

this is embarassing. I am not going to throw in the towel, but so far this effort is pathetic. A couple of nice plays in the field by Freel though.

[fisch11]

Stepped away and the Cardinals have played add on again. 9-1 to the bottom of the 4th. This one has gotten away in a hurry.

[Razor Shines]

If we can get something going the Cards pitching is not that good and we could score enough runs off of them. Maybe Freel's play will spark us.

[SeeinRed]

Actually Dunn has seen something like over 500 (2000) more pitches than Hatte. And last time I checked BP(14??) was 2nd but Hatte(14??) was right behind him.

The only difference is Hatteberg is much more constructive with working the count to get a pitch he can hit. Dunn just won't swing at pitches outside the strike zone. He doesn't really put himself in better position by doing it, and sometimes he will take too many close ones that will come back to bite him. Working the count and taking pitches are two different things.

[fisch11]

Javy strikes out swinging. 1 down.

[fisch11]

Clayton follows suit. 2 down.

[fisch11]

And Weaver strikes out the side...yes I said Weaver.

Alot - Alittle. Top 5 we go.

[Razor Shines]

The only difference is Hatteberg is much more constructive with working the count to get a pitch he can hit. Dunn just won't swing at pitches outside the strike zone. He doesn't really put himself in better position by doing it, and sometimes he will take too many close ones that will come back to bite him. Working the count and taking pitches are two different things.
I was making the point that Hatteberg has not seen more pitches than anyone in the big leagues. I am not trying to make this into another Dunn argument.

[SeeinRed]

I was making the point that Hatteberg has not seen more pitches than anyone in the big leagues. I am not trying to make this into another Dunn argument.

I wasn't saying you were. Just making a statement related to the subject. You can calm down. I'm not trying to start an argument.

[Redsfan08]

we lost

[bucknutdet]

I was considering going tonight, thankfully I am at home.

[fisch11]

It's officially a good old fashioned butt whoopin' now. 10-1 Cards.

I guess we were due for one of these since we have won 6 of 8 against them this year.

Here's to a dramatic come from the grave victory.

[keeganbrick]

I wish they would mention something about the press conference on WLW.

[solo-baric]

does anyone have a fork?? I think this one is done.

[fisch11]

The Cardinals managed to deflate the stadium and RedsZone at the same time.....at least Redslive.

[solo-baric]

it almost looks like cy young is out there pitching to the reds.

[fisch11]

Even if we held the Cardinals to 5 runs after the 1st inning, we still would be losing by 4. The offense, defense, and pitching we all flat tonight. Hopefully this doesn't hang over to tomorrow. Still need to take 3 of 4.

[major harris]

Even if we held the Cardinals to 5 runs after the 1st inning, we still would be losing by 4. The offense, defense, and pitching we all flat tonight. Hopefully this doesn't hang over to tomorrow. Still need to take 3 of 4.
:eek: :eek:

[savafan]

Wow, it's mindbending how bad this bullpen continues to be...

[mbgrayson]

Reds are getting SPANKED.

[BoCcc2832]

I really hope this doesn't continue into tomorrow...I'm going to tomorrow's game

[joshnky]

This has certainly been a discouraging game but there are still 3 games left in the series and another 3 next week. I went into the series hoping for 3 out of 4 and thats still in reach. Besides, we let the Cards waste all their offensive output for the series tonight while we saved our up for the other three games. At least I hope thats how it works.

[solo-baric]

well the cards tonight for a team had and out standing BA. of .395 the reds on the other hand came in at .228. But here is the simple fact. Dunn can not watch the third strike come across the plate with out swinging. He also can not keep swinging at ball that are thrown 59 feet. Griffey same thing. He thinks cause he's a superstar they won't call that outside strike wrong! how many times has it watched it go by this year? We need to hit! Our pitching can suck but if we can't hit we can't win! This team is centered arround offence not anything else. And the offence hasn't shown up in some time.

[BoCcc2832]

This has certainly been a discouraging game but there are still 3 games left in the series and another 3 next week. I went into the series hoping for 3 out of 4 and thats still in reach. Besides, we let the Cards waste all their offensive output for the series tonight while we saved our up for the other three games. At least I hope thats how it works.

I really hope you're right! :help:

[goreds2]

I really think we can take the next three. We have to at least get a split.

Mr. Milton, pitch AWAY from the big first baseman tomorrow......PLEASE? :pray:

[savafan]

Mr. Milton, pitch AWAY from the big first baseman tomorrow......PLEASE? :pray:


Why even pitch to him? Put him on.

[KronoRed]

we lost
Lotto numbers please ;)

[EddieMilner]

sweet lineup

[Ltlabner]

Yea, wasn't everybody pretty happy with this lineup? They were glad it wasn't one of those wacky Narron jobs.

How we looking?

[Big Klu]

Not a bad game thread, everyone. I preferred it to the one on ORG.

:)