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RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 04:51 PM
Reds line-up per Marc:

Here's the crew set to face Jason Marquis tonight...

Freel RF
Hatteberg 1B
Griffey CF
Encarnacion 3B
Dunn LF
Aurilia 2B
Ross C
Clayton SS
Milton P

TheBigLebowski
08-08-2006, 04:56 PM
Glad to see Ross getting regular AB's.

For the love of Pete, Milty...if you ever needed to earn your 27 mil, tonight is the freaking night.

37red
08-08-2006, 05:00 PM
Yeah, I saw the Milton start coming up tonight on the Reds site. He's hot or he's not, tonight I hope he's hot.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 05:01 PM
Glad to see Ross getting regular AB's.

For the love of Pete, Milty...if you ever needed to earn your 27 mil, tonight is the freaking night.

Well I don't think Milty will be a factor, if Marquis wasn't a decent hitting pitcher I'd say the same for him. This is going to be a game of runs.. maybe more than the 14 scored last night.

Tommyjohn25
08-08-2006, 05:03 PM
I have been absolutely stewing non-stop about last nights game all day today, please for the love of God, take this one today. I had a dream that the Reds lost this one too sadly, with Freel running himself into a game ending double play running too far off 1st base on a caught line drive hit to right field. Fortunatly my dreams, while vivid, haven't been accurate when it comes to the Reds this year.

OldXOhio
08-08-2006, 05:20 PM
Milty...your 27 mil.

I just threw up in my mouth being reminded of that little factoid. Had done a pretty good job of conveniently erasing it from my mind til now. Thanks a lot.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 05:24 PM
I just threw up in my mouth being reminded of that little factoid. Had done a pretty good job of conveniently erasing it from my mind til now. Thanks a lot.

Ha Ha.. Just wait till Milty goes Jimmy Hanes on us and picks up his option!

Heath
08-08-2006, 05:24 PM
Remove Clayton from SS for Brandon Phillips and that's the lineup for me. Most other managers would probably stay with that line-up 3-4 days a week.

But this is Jerry "The Fiddler" Narron.

37red
08-08-2006, 05:25 PM
wash it down with a beer, you'll be ok.

Strikes Out Looking
08-08-2006, 05:25 PM
I strongly believe the keys to winning tonights game are:

1. Not giving up 5 runs before the home team bats.

2. Those posting on the game thread posting in a way that the 9 gentleman on the field in downtown Cincinnati and the manager and coaching staff are able to read, hear, or telepathetically understand posts and act on them in same time mode.

If either of these two things occur, the good guys stand a decent chance of winning provided Mr. Narron doesn't allow a certain graduate of the University of Maryland to "throw just one more pitch."

Heath
08-08-2006, 05:25 PM
Ha Ha.. Just wait till Milty goes Jimmy Hanes on us and picks up his option!

He should and might be dealt by then.

I wonder if the option is void if he is traded.

reds44
08-08-2006, 05:26 PM
We REALLY need this game.

Heath
08-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Ha Ha.. Just wait till Milty goes Jimmy Hanes on us and picks up his option!

and another thing - the Reds now have 3 members of the 2002 Minnesota Twins starting pitching staff. All we need now is Brad Radke & Rick Reed :help:

They did win 94 games, however. Even with AJ Pierzynski.

Tommyjohn25
08-08-2006, 05:29 PM
We REALLY need this game.


Oh come on now that's an understatement. It's more like we REALLY need this game! ;)

Roy Tucker
08-08-2006, 05:33 PM
Cleansing breath... breathe... in through the nose, out through the mouth.

Find your happy place. All will be well.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 05:36 PM
Cleansing breath... breathe... in through the nose, out through the mouth.

Find your happy place. All will be well.

:( Scarlett Johanson will never really be mine!

37red
08-08-2006, 05:40 PM
No, she won't, settle for a win tonight.

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 05:57 PM
Lineups:


Cardinals (61 - 50)
1st in NL Central
Reds (57 - 55)
2nd in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. D Eckstein, SS .289 1 20 7
2. R Belliard, 2B .208 0 3 0
3. A Pujols, 1B .326 34 91 5
4. S Rolen, 3B .321 16 73 6
5. S Spiezio, LF .271 6 30 0
6. J Encarnacion, RF .288 16 62 4
7. S Taguchi, CF .276 2 29 8
8. Y Molina, C .216 4 41 0
9. J Marquis, P .180 0 4 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, RF .295 7 21 24
2. S Hatteberg, 1B .318 10 35 0
3. K Griffey Jr., CF .242 23 63 0
4. E Encarnacion, 3B .286 7 47 0
5. A Dunn, LF .253 33 75 5
6. R Aurilia, 2B .276 14 41 1
7. D Ross, C .291 13 33 0
8. R Clayton, SS .250 2 8 4
9. E Milton, P .167 0 3 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
J Marquis 12 9 5.68 1.45 68

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
E Milton 7 7 5.20 1.25 68

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 06:00 PM
Don't pitch to Molina! :devil:

MaineRed
08-08-2006, 06:12 PM
Uh oh Grande, no Edmonds.

kbrake
08-08-2006, 06:15 PM
Don't pitch to Molina! :devil:

I was at the game last night and when Juan Encarnacion came up in the 1st with Rolen on 3rd I told my friends that they should walk Encarnacion and pitch to Molina because "he cant hit". Sure enough Encarnacion lines out to Encarnacion and then Molina steps up and hits a bomb. The looks I received were priceless.

37red
08-08-2006, 06:24 PM
You were at the game, my look is priceless.

Heath
08-08-2006, 06:25 PM
So Taguchi. Reds killer.

PRESS RELEASE -

GEORGE GRANDE (on Edmonds not starting tonight) - Well, you know his story. A little song, a little dance, and Edmonds can put the El Birdos on the Smilin' side of the scoreboard. The Cards are facing the Reds 6 Million Dollar Man in Eric Milton, and I'll be here bringing you all the PBP with the Crafty Lefthander.

KronoRed
08-08-2006, 06:32 PM
Beat em by 20

SirFelixCat
08-08-2006, 06:34 PM
Enough messin' around. Go out and pound the Redbirds into extinction tonight fellas!!!

reds44
08-08-2006, 06:35 PM
Wayne is coming on FSN to talk about the Majewski situation.

KronoRed
08-08-2006, 06:36 PM
Don't deflect Wayne

reds44
08-08-2006, 06:41 PM
Well that told me nothing new.

Gallen5862
08-08-2006, 06:49 PM
What did Krvisky say?

reds44
08-08-2006, 06:51 PM
What did Krvisky say?
Basically nothing.

Only news is Majewski isn't even going to pick up a baseball for 7-10 days.

Gallen5862
08-08-2006, 06:53 PM
That sounds like they are trying to stall him til September callups.

Reds Nd2
08-08-2006, 06:54 PM
Ha Ha.. Just wait till Milty goes Jimmy Hanes on us and picks up his option!

Eric Milton doesn't have an option to be picked up. What he has is an opt-out provision for the final year of his contract, if he meets certain incentives.

reds44
08-08-2006, 06:56 PM
Whats with the man love for Rich on FSN?

Phil in BG
08-08-2006, 06:59 PM
Beat em by 20

I second that one. It's the only thing that may help me forget last night.

BoydsOfSummer
08-08-2006, 07:04 PM
Cleansing breath... breathe... in through the nose, out through the mouth.

Find your happy place. All will be well.

Let's try that Mayan (was it Mayan?)indian breathe through the eyelids thingy that Annie Savoy suggested. Couldn't hurt,right?

BoydsOfSummer
08-08-2006, 07:10 PM
Cross yer fingers...HERE WE GO!

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:12 PM
Strike Zone looking tight so far...

Let's hope it's consistant

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:12 PM
Nice play by EE.

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Chrish Welsh with another good comment.

He is growing on me.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Walking Pujols wouldn't exactly upset me...

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 07:13 PM
Eric Milton doesn't have an option to be picked up. What he has is an opt-out provision for the final year of his contract, if he meets certain incentives.

http://eric-milton-news.newslib.com/story/3074-1161395/


Eric Milton gets $25.5 million, three-year deal from Reds
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

CINCINNATI -- The Yankees came calling on Eric Milton, willing to peel some bills out of their bulging money clip. The big-budget Red Sox and Dodgers also were interested in adding the left-hander to their playoff-caliber clubs.
In the end, he made a surprising choice: the late-arriving small-market Cincinnati Reds.
Milton agreed to a $25.5 million, three-year deal yesterday with a team that was late into the bidding and seemed an unlikely match for a pitcher who yearns to get back to the playoffs.
"I wouldn't be sitting here today if I didn't think we have a real chance of winning," Milton said.
The Reds think so, too, and were willing to structure his contract so he can leave if they don't win during his first two seasons. Milton got a $4 million signing bonus and base salaries of $4 million in 2005, $8.5 million in 2006 and $9 million in 2007, matching the total value of Matt Clement's deal with Boston.
After the 2006 season, Milton has the option of staying for the final year of the deal or going somewhere else.
"I want to be on a winner," Milton said. "That was a big key for me going into this whole free agent thing. I think this team is headed in the right direction now, and hopefully in the next couple of years we'll keep improving."
They've got a long way to go before they're a contender in the NL Central with the Cardinals, Astros and Cubs, but their moves in the past two weeks should make them much more competitive.
The Reds have gone four straight years without a winning season, their longest such stretch since 1945-55. They lost 93 games in 2003, their first season at Great American Ball Park, and cannibalized the team during a midseason trading spree to save money.
They were a little better last season, going 76-86 despite injuries that cost them Ken Griffey Jr., Austin Kearns and Sean Casey. The biggest problem was the pitching staff, which by most measures was the worst in franchise history. The Reds allowed a club-record 907 runs -- most in the majors -- and 236 homers, only three shy of the NL record.
Milton, 29, was Philadelphia's most consistent starter last season, going 14-6 with a 4.75 ERA. The Phillies decided not to offer salary arbitration to Milton, who made $9 million last season, and Kevin Millwood.

pedro
08-08-2006, 07:14 PM
Marty and Steve just said EE had a great work ethic. Let us all remember this should he ever get traded and people claim he doesn't work hard.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:14 PM
I second that one. It's the only thing that may help me forget last night.

True, but I'd take an 8-7 win with the winning run scoring on a Freel strikeout that goes to the backstop, a balk to second and a missed pop-up on the infield due to the lights ;)

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:15 PM
Marty and Steve just said EE had a great work ethic. Let us all remember this should he ever get traded and people claim he doesn't work hard.


That's not really new news...when he was 2nd stringer, he was out daily taking fielding practice with Bucky.

It looks like it's paying off for him.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:15 PM
In theory, I'd say a small strike zone hurts Marquis more than Milton.

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:16 PM
You can't handle Pujols any better than that. Get the guys in front of him out and then never give him anything to hit-- Milton may have even retired him had he not gotten squeezed. Then, he went right after Rolen, got ahead in the count, and then put him away.

Hey, gotta compliment Milty while the night is young :)

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:16 PM
In theory, I'd say a small strike zone hurts Marquis more than Milton.

But it will help concession sales most of all...

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:16 PM
MUCH better start then last night.

CTA513
08-08-2006, 07:18 PM
In theory, I'd say a small strike zone hurts Marquis more than Milton.

Only hurts Marquis if the Reds dont swing at stuff being called balls.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:18 PM
Only hurts Marquis if the Reds dont swing at stuff being called balls.

Which is why I said, "in theory."

George Foster
08-08-2006, 07:19 PM
That ball hit by Rolen did not look like it was hit hard, and it carried to the 375 mark in Right Center....

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:19 PM
Leadoff single for Freel.

37red
08-08-2006, 07:20 PM
I feel so much better than after the top of the first last night

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:21 PM
Hatteberg singles. 1st and 2nd. His 1000th career hit.

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:21 PM
Man, you just gotta love Hatte. Never gets himself out.

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:21 PM
:clap:

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:21 PM
Hatte's 1,000th career hit

:clap:

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:22 PM
Junior grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. Freel goes to 3rd.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:22 PM
GRIFFEY!!!

:rant:

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:22 PM
Anything less than five runs off Marquis would have to be deemed as disappointing.

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:22 PM
Griffey needs to be moved down.

George Foster
08-08-2006, 07:22 PM
Ah Griffey....

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:23 PM
Eddie!!

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:23 PM
EE singles to center. 1-0 Reds!

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:23 PM
Nice patience, Griff. Taking a pitch here and there won't kill ya.

George Foster
08-08-2006, 07:23 PM
Griffey needs to be moved down.


You can scream it all day long... Death, taxes, Griffey in the 3 hole....

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:23 PM
Edwin is a MONSTER!!!!

1-0!

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:24 PM
Narron kept Edwin out of this lineup. Man that is awesome smart.

FlyingPig
08-08-2006, 07:24 PM
Griffey needs to be moved down.


AND moved over...

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:24 PM
Narron kept Edwin out of this lineup. Man that is awesome smart.
At lease he finally came around.

MrCinatit
08-08-2006, 07:27 PM
I loath George Grande with every cell of my being.

SteelSD
08-08-2006, 07:27 PM
Scott Rolen is ridiculously good. Wow. Robs Dunn on a bloop.

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:28 PM
Nice grab by Rolen, Edwin might have scored if that wasn't caught.

Should have been more, but at least we got 1.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:28 PM
Man, you just gotta love Hatte. Never gets himself out.

I love Freel + Hat in the #1/#2 slots right now. Ride the Hatt while he's having a hot year. Now if we can get that #3 guy going...

paintmered
08-08-2006, 07:28 PM
Chat is open. :)

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:29 PM
Dunn is struggling just 4-for-30 in his last 8+ games.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:29 PM
That my friends is why the Cards win ballgames. Defense is more than just making routine plays, you have to make the tough plays also. Like EE in the 1st also.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:30 PM
Edwin is a MONSTER!!!!

1-0!

Aurilia would have called his shot, homered and made it a very scrappy 2-0 :evil:

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:31 PM
I'm glad Rolen caught that over Edmonds...

Edmonds would have dove, even though he wouldn't have to, get up, and run around like he just won the world series.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:31 PM
Let's just say Milton REALLY needs to stop walking batters.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:32 PM
Let's just say Milton REALLY needs to stop walking batters.

Unless it's Pujols :D

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 07:33 PM
Unless it's Pujols :D

Point well made...

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:33 PM
Let's just say Milton REALLY needs to stop walking batters.

Especially bad one's like JuanE.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:35 PM
Marty and Marc are talking about the Majewski situation...

Nothing really new...just debating on if Jimbo and the Nationals acted unethically and flat out lied to the Reds...

Marty: "If anybody knows anything about Jim Bowden, he doesn't even know how to spell the word integrity..." :lol:

Marty said he saw Majewski today, and it looks like a weight has been lifted from his shoulders...

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:36 PM
David Ross can't hold on to the ball during plays at the plate.

It never fails.

Molina NOT charged with an RBI....Ross charged with a run scoring error (which would have ended the inning)

pedro
08-08-2006, 07:36 PM
David Ross is a lousy catcher.

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:36 PM
Molina doubles in a run. Runner should have been out by a mile but a bad throw by Aurilia allows him to score.

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:37 PM
Poor job by Ross there.

flyer85
08-08-2006, 07:37 PM
How many balls has Ross dropped this year?

CrackerJack
08-08-2006, 07:37 PM
Another pathetic defensive play by Ross at the plate...geez, every single game there's some big defensive gaffe by this team. Sooo tired of the sloppy baseball in this city.

George Foster
08-08-2006, 07:37 PM
Ross CANNOT handle any throw from the outfield.....

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:38 PM
Wow. David Ross is a bad defensive catcher. I could have caught that.

BTW, I'll be back later. I'm going to deep a hole and stick my head in it so that I no longer have to watch the worst hitter in professional baseball continue to kill the Reds.

Molina is pure crap.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:38 PM
Babe Molina strikes.

And BBs will haunt.

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:38 PM
Throw wasn't great, but Ross MUST make that play.

CTA513
08-08-2006, 07:38 PM
Someone show Ross how to catch and hold on to the ball.

:thumbdown

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:39 PM
On the replay that was really Ross's fault. The throw bounced but Ross has to make that play.

Reds Nd2
08-08-2006, 07:39 PM
http://eric-milton-news.newslib.com/story/3074-1161395/


After the 2006 season, Milton has the option of staying for the final year of the deal or going somewhere else.

Milton is signed through 2007. He doesn't have an option that can be picked up for his final season. If he did, the Reds would have a buy-out for that option. They don't. What Milton does have is an opt-out provision for his final season. This isn't the same thing as having an "option". Notice the article states he has the option, not that he has an option. Milton will be a Red next season and there are nine million reasons why.

Chip R
08-08-2006, 07:40 PM
How many balls has Ross dropped this year?

I know I have lost count. Say what you will about Jason LaRue but I think he would have not only held on to that ball but made the tag as well.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Ross's head looks like a pinata--maybe he's afraid it will burst and the Cards will eat all his candy.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Chat is open.

We should all get in there at some point tonight. I noticed earlier that the record for most chatting at once is 17, which interestingly enough it just so happened was on the worst possible day of this century 6-6-06! The Reds record at that time was 34-24 10 games over .500 and was 7-3 in the last 10 games and only 1 GB of the Cards. Since that date 23-31, 4.5 Gb of the Cards and 3-7 in our last 10. It sounds like a good time to fill the chatroom. Let's put together a nice 20-25 player chat if for no other reason than to put our rally caps on! :help:

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:40 PM
I'm not going to crush Milton there. We know the HR is his nemesis, and I don't mind him pitching around JE w/ Taguchi and Molina on deck. Not good giving up a double to Molina, but if Ross simply catches the ball, inning over.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:40 PM
Wow. David Ross is a bad defensive catcher. I could have caught that.

BTW, I'll be back later. I'm going to deep a hole and stick my head in it so that I no longer have to watch the worst hitter in professional baseball continue to kill the Reds.



Bring a snorkel...we don't want any casualties :)

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
BTW, I'll be back later. I'm going to deep a hole and stick my head in it so that I no longer have to watch the worst hitter in professional baseball continue to kill the Reds.

Molina is pure crap.

I thought that was Clayton ;)

What would the Reds ERA be with the Cards defense (and vice versa)? I'm not just talking about unearned runs but the extended wear and tear leading to additional staff usage/earned runs in later innings from seemingly having to get 4 or sometimes 5 outs once per game.

The Reds defense has to mess with most of the staff's psyche.

CrackerJack
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
Yay Nature calls

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
Aurilia homers to left. 2-1 Reds!!

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
:aurilia:

:jump:


Career hit #1300

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
Say what you will about Rich, but the guy has been pretty darn productive.

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:41 PM
Nature Boy!!!!!!!

2-1!

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:42 PM
That was supposed to read dig, not deep.

Aurilia HR.

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:42 PM
Ross lines a double to the left field corner.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:42 PM
Ross stings a double

Reds Nd2
08-08-2006, 07:42 PM
Narron kept Edwin out of this lineup. Man that is awesome smart.

Narron has started Edwin in every game since I dropped him from my fantasy team. :bang:

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Nature Boy!!!!!!!

2-1!

Whooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Dbl for Ross, way to make it up DAve!

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Oh yes!

double!

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Bunt him over--Freel will get him home.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:43 PM
Say what you will about Rich, but the guy has been pretty darn productive.

Huge season from Aurilia

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:44 PM
Arroyo has allowed the 2nd most HRs in the National League (23)....behind Jason Marquis.

Wow...he's allowed that many? I would never have guessed that...

George Foster
08-08-2006, 07:44 PM
I'd rather have an offensive catcher than a defensive catcher. The Mets never really complained about Mike Piazza. Your defense you can improve with time. Once you have 1000 ML at-bats your avg. is set in stone

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Woops, I'm a dumb$@%$ forgot about Royce!

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Clayton hits it hard but lines into a 3-6 DP.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
well....there goes Ed's bunt idea....

:help:

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Wow Ross.

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
And now Ross gets caught off second on a soft line drive that was obviously going to be caught. More stupid baserunning by the Reds. Again. They lead the league in that category.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Huge season from Aurilia

He's been playing "scrappy" since last years all-star game

pedro
08-08-2006, 07:46 PM
I'd rather have an offensive catcher than a defensive catcher. The Mets never really complained about Mike Piazza. Your defense you can improve with time. Once you have 1000 ML at-bats your avg. is set in stone


I find getting doubled off base pretty offensive.

George Foster
08-08-2006, 07:47 PM
Grande said that was a baserunning error on Ross...how? it was a line drive to the 1st basemen. he had a lead off of second. Your first move is not back to the bag off the crack of the bat..

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:47 PM
Ross not having a good day on the field....


At least they got 1, I guess...

flyer85
08-08-2006, 07:47 PM
David Ross is a lousy catcher.not much of a baserunner as well. Maybe he is channeling Freel.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:47 PM
Seriously, this team has been giving away more outs on the bases then can be believed over the past couple of weeks.

Combine that with the inevitable 4/5 out inning caused by defensive lapses and it's easy to see why every game has recently been a struggle.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:47 PM
I'll tell ya what, it's as much bad coaching as anything. The more I watch this team the more I get the feeling we have one of the worst coaching and scouting staffs in baseball!!

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 07:48 PM
Seriously, this team has been giving away more outs on the bases then can be believed over the past couple of weeks.

Combine that with the inevitable 4/5 out inning caused by defensive lapses and it's easy to see why every game has recently been a struggle.

Sad but true..

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:48 PM
BTW, just for the record: My top 5 least favorite pro sports teams:

1. Dallas Cowboys
2. St. Louis Cardinals
3. New York Giants
4. Houston Astros
5. Detroit Pistons

westofyou
08-08-2006, 07:48 PM
I'd rather have an offensive catcher than a defensive catcher. The Mets never really complained about Mike Piazza. Your defense you can improve with time. Once you have 1000 ML at-bats your avg. is set in stone
Ivy Wingo begat Bubbles Hargrave who begat Ernie Lombardi who begat Ed Baily who begat Johnny Bench who begat Joe Oliver who begat Eddie Taubensee who begat Jason Larue.

Looks like you pretty much get that as a Red fan.

FlyingPig
08-08-2006, 07:48 PM
As I was mowing the lawn Sunday, I was listening to the game on braves radio (I know..but I can't pick em up in NC)...and the braves announcer stated that the Red's pitching staff leads the Majors in fewest walks allowed..


Is this true?

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:49 PM
I'll tell ya what, it's as much bad coaching as anything. The more I watch this team the more I get the feeling we have one of the worst coaching and scouting staffs in baseball!!

My guess is that this team currently deploys next to zero advanced scouting.

westofyou
08-08-2006, 07:50 PM
My guess is that this team currently deploys next to zero advanced scouting.You're wrong.

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:50 PM
And BTW again, I've never such an average player (Belliard) w/ so much arrogant swagger.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by Fall City Beer
My guess is that this team currently deploys next to zero advanced scouting.

Exactly! Where's TC when ya need him?

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:51 PM
You're wrong.

I hope I am. It just always seems that it's the other team whose advanced scouting brings results.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:51 PM
He walks Pujols...

And again, that is smart.

westofyou
08-08-2006, 07:51 PM
I hope I am. It just always seems that it's the other team whose advanced scouting brings results.
Pete Mackanin is one of the major league advance scouts.

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:52 PM
Wow. HGH Poo-holes takes a 3-0 pitch right on the corner and the ump calls it a ball. I hate how umpires give big name players, especially cheaters like Poo-holes, a special strikezone. Every player should have an equal strikezone.

westofyou
08-08-2006, 07:52 PM
Wow. HGH Poo-holes takes a 3-0 pitch right on the corner and the ump calls it a ball. I hate how umpires give big name players, especially cheaters like Poo-holes, a special strikezone. Every player should have an equal strikezone.
Nice.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 07:53 PM
Wow. HGH Poo-holes takes a 3-0 pitch right on the corner and the ump calls it a ball. I hate how umpires give big name players, especially cheaters like Poo-holes, a special strikezone. Every player should have an equal strikezone.

Can't argue that...hitters and pitchers alike...

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 07:53 PM
Nice.

What?

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:53 PM
Does FSN Ohio have an email? I am seriously going to email them and complain about this "Prince Albert" crap from George.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by Falls City Beer
I hope I am. It just always seems that it's the other team whose advanced scouting brings results.

We are not usually in agreeance on most things but I totally agree on this note. I also find it very interesting to watch where a player(s) should be playing a particular pitch (if struck) and where the Reds actually are aligned!

Puffy
08-08-2006, 07:54 PM
Wow. HGH Poo-holes takes a 3-0 pitch right on the corner and the ump calls it a ball. I hate how umpires give big name players, especially cheaters like Poo-holes, a special strikezone. Every player should have an equal strikezone.

Dude, when has Albert been convicted of cheating????

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 07:55 PM
Those walks have really run up the pitch count for Milton: 51 thru 3.

He needs to stop walking people; yes, even Pujols as long as nobody's on.

Reds Nd2
08-08-2006, 07:55 PM
Wow. HGH Poo-holes takes a 3-0 pitch right on the corner and the ump calls it a ball. I hate how umpires give big name players, especially cheaters like Poo-holes, a special strikezone. Every player should have an equal strikezone.

I guess I missed the article linking Pujols to HGH. You wouldn't happen to have it would you?

Edskin
08-08-2006, 07:56 PM
FCB-- Disagree. Milton vs. Pujols is a match-up we should avoid at all costs. Not worried about the pitch count so much as the run count.

backbencher
08-08-2006, 07:56 PM
Does FSN Ohio have an email? I am seriously going to email them and complain about this "Prince Albert" crap from George.

I'd rather have someone say to George on-air: "So, George, what's your take on the fact that 'Jimmy Edmonds' has admitted that he used to tank at-bats and in the field for the Angels because he didn't like his team, and that he intentionally slows up on batted balls so that he can make spectacular-seeming dives for them? Oh, and that he says that Mark McGwire changed his approach to the game."

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 07:56 PM
Those walks have really run up the pitch count for Milton: 51 thru 3.

He needs to stop walking people; yes, even Pujols as long as nobody's on.

the good news is marquis is at only 37. the longer he stays in, the better the o looks

reds44
08-08-2006, 07:57 PM
I guess I missed the article linking Pujols to HGH. You wouldn't happen to have it would you?
Actually there was an article on deadspin linking him to it. However in that article said they had no hard evidence he did it, just that is trainer was linked to it.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by westofyou
Pete Mackanin is one of the major league advance scouts.

Pete has a fine reputation i'm sure, and i'm not necc. bagging on him, but somebody isn't listening somewhere along the line.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:59 PM
Opposing teams must hate Freel

Another basehit :)

oregonred
08-08-2006, 07:59 PM
Wake up call for Junior. Repeat wakeup call...

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:00 PM
Wake up call for Junior. Repeat wakeup call...

:D

Base hit!

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:00 PM
:D

Base hit!

:thumbup:

backbencher
08-08-2006, 08:00 PM
Actually there was an article on deadspin linking him to it. However in that article said they had no hard evidence he did it, just that is trainer was linked to it.

As I recall it, the article reported rumors that the Jason Grimsley affidavit identified a particular trainer as Grimlsey's source for HGH, and the trainer is Pujols' offseason conditioning guru, to the point that Pujols lived with him for a short stretch.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:01 PM
Dunn could be really cool here...

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by Edskin
FCB-- Disagree. Milton vs. Pujols is a match-up we should avoid at all costs. Not worried about the pitch count so much as the run count.


Frankly, and I don't mean to intentionally hurt anyone. But if that's the case bean him! Just once but bean him! He seriously needs to move off the plate anyway!

Edskin
08-08-2006, 08:01 PM
Prediction: Dunn goes deep

Edskin
08-08-2006, 08:02 PM
I was right: deep into right field. :)

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:02 PM
Nice, Dunn.

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:03 PM
how short is marquis' leash tonight?

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:03 PM
Good piece of hitting for Jr. and Dunner!

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:04 PM
Jorge Sosa warming for the Cards...

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:05 PM
Rich!!!!!!!

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:05 PM
nature boy!!!!!

3-1!

George Foster
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
are you all having audio problems...

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
Nice, Richness.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
nature boy!!!!!

3-1!

You mean 4-1 :beerme:

Edskin
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
I want EE to play as well, but I can't slam Narron for wanting RA in the line-up either. Maybe BP becomes odd man out?

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
sorry 4-1

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

VR
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
Jorge Sosa warming for the Cards...

The news just keeps getting better

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
Jorge Sosa warming for the Cards...

Fine with me.. Sosa has an inflatted ERA as well

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:06 PM
I want EE to play as well, but I can't slam Narron for wanting RA in the line-up either. Maybe BP becomes odd man out?
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DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:07 PM
RA OPSing .846 for the season

If only Narron could find a way to play him AND Edwin at the same time...

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:07 PM
Sosa's kicked this offense's skull in a time or two, IIRC.

I'm fine with Marquis, thanks.

George Foster
08-08-2006, 08:07 PM
Lets hope Narron puts Milton in a position to pick up a win and not leave him out to long.

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:07 PM
are you all having audio problems...

I cant get MLB Audio to work today, anyone else?

MrCinatit
08-08-2006, 08:08 PM
are you all having audio problems...

I am. Thinkinging its a localized Time-Warner thing, as I posed the same question over the weekend with no answer.
The other stations work just fine, FSN does not. Even during the commericials.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 08:08 PM
Lets hope Narron puts Milton in a position to pick up a win and not leave him out to long.

Good luck.. Narron has a history this year of giving his pitchers what they want

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:10 PM
Does Ross get anything to hit with Clayton behind him?

D-Man
08-08-2006, 08:10 PM
So all the Reds have hits except for Milton and Clayton.

Good seeing you around here, backbencher.

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:11 PM
Bases juiced, the slack on the Marquis rope is getting tighter and tighter.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:11 PM
Loaded for Clayton

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:11 PM
Royce you can't spoil this chance. We have a chance to put it away right here.

CrackerJack
08-08-2006, 08:11 PM
Pitching change.

TheBigLebowski
08-08-2006, 08:12 PM
Sosa vs Clayton...not liking my chances here unless Royce "veteran's up" and coaxes a walk.

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:12 PM
Originally Posted by George Foster
are you all having audio problems...

I had some problems over the weekend as well on FSN Ohio. But usually I mute Grande and listen to 1530 AM, better the time delay than Grande. I've noticed my opinion of him has improved now that I no longer have him in my life. Again he seems like a wonderful human being, but he's just too darn unbiased.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:12 PM
Royce you can't spoil this chance. We have a chance to put it away right here.

agree, team needs a killer instinct. 9 hits in 2.2 innings -- time to slap this joker with a 7-spot in the run column.

Just like Sunday's game up 4-2 with Ross at the dish.

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:12 PM
For those not having audio noise, how does the crowd sound? Does the place look packed?

VR
08-08-2006, 08:14 PM
Sosa's kicked this offense's skull in a time or two, IIRC.

I'm fine with Marquis, thanks.

not this year

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:14 PM
For those not having audio noise, how does the crowd sound? Does the place look packed?

It's packed....MAY be sold out, if not, it is very close.

Reds Nd2
08-08-2006, 08:14 PM
Actually there was an article on deadspin linking him to it. However in that article said they had no hard evidence he did it, just that is trainer was linked to it.

Guilt by association then? Dead Spin has no evidence that Pujols has ever taken HGH. BTW,Chris Mihlfeld has denied being mentioned in the Grimsley affidavit and this has been confirmed by Grimsley's lawyer.

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 08:14 PM
are you all having audio problems...
The audio is horrible here. The game started ok but the last few innings the sound is either out or keeps cutting in and out.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:14 PM
That was an iffy strike on Clayton...

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 08:15 PM
oh snap

TheBigLebowski
08-08-2006, 08:15 PM
Aaaaaand...we get the expected result.

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:16 PM
Oh I how loathe Royce.


Blowing chances is not good.

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 08:16 PM
Dude, when has Albert been convicted of cheating????

He's been convicted the same amount of times Bonds has. ;)

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:16 PM
Royce goes golfing...

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:16 PM
By the way, I'd argue that Wayne could have picked up Sosa for nothing and gotten a better pitcher than any of the pitchers he obtained giving up a king's ransom.

westofyou
08-08-2006, 08:16 PM
Nice Zone Blue.

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:16 PM
He's been convicted the same amount of times Bonds has. ;)
Bonds admitted to using steriods under oath.


nuff said.

westofyou
08-08-2006, 08:17 PM
By the way, I'd argue that Wayne could have picked up Sosa for nothing and gotten a better pitcher than any of the pitchers he obtained giving up a king's ransom.
Wow.. talk about that trade in the game thread.

Crazy stuff.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:17 PM
Another missed chance to blow open a game

10 baserunners in three innings and four runs :(

On the good side looks like last night's debacle was a one game major anomaly.

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:18 PM
Bonds admitted to using steriods under oath.


nuff said.


He didn't know he was using them ;)

MrCinatit
08-08-2006, 08:18 PM
"Consistent strike zone? We don't need no stinking consistent strike zone!"
Overall, the umpiring has been especially questionable this year, to saythe least

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:19 PM
1 out

redsrule2500
08-08-2006, 08:20 PM
That really sucks how Royce Clayton just can't hit the ball.

Too bad we didn't have Phillips there.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:20 PM
the "lessor" Encarnacion whiffs. 2 down...

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:22 PM
Yadier "Dave Winfield" Molina

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:22 PM
Taguchi triple. Our favorite yadier Molina up... Joybells

CTA513
08-08-2006, 08:22 PM
That really sucks how Royce Clayton just can't hit the ball.

Too bad we didn't have Phillips there.

Didnt Phillips have bases loaded yesterday and pop the ball up?

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:22 PM
Man that ball rolled forever. All the way to the BP, from the wall!

NJReds
08-08-2006, 08:23 PM
Taguchi triple. Our favorite yadier Molina up... Joybells

That was a strange triple. The ball hit the concrete under the pad on the RF wall and almost deflected back into the infield.

VR
08-08-2006, 08:23 PM
That really sucks how Royce Clayton just can't hit the ball.

Too bad we didn't have Phillips there.

He's got as many dingers and ribbies as Clayton since the trade ;)

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:24 PM
Throw it inside!!! He's got him leaning. Ok he did, good!

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 08:24 PM
Milton walks Molina to get to the tougher hitting Sosa.

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 08:25 PM
Molina making Milton pitch

Reds Nd2
08-08-2006, 08:25 PM
For all the flack Grande gets, I'd like to give him props for explaining why the padding on the OF walls doesn't go all the way to the ground.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:25 PM
Molina making Milton pitch

I think it's fair to say the Cards get way more mileage out of lesser talent than the Reds do.

DoogMinAmo
08-08-2006, 08:25 PM
For all the flack Grande gets, I'd like to give him props for explaining why the padding on the OF walls doesn't go all the way to the ground.

Reason?

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:26 PM
Sosa grounds out. Onto the bottom of the 4th up 4-1...

RedLegSuperStar
08-08-2006, 08:26 PM
can't walk the pitcher Milton.. even if he has 3 HR's

Mario-Rijo
08-08-2006, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by OnBaseMachine
Milton walks Molina to get to the tougher hitting Sosa.

Wow, I thought you were joking. Sosa is 3 for 21 this year, all 3 for homers. BTW Molina has 4.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:28 PM
can't walk the pitcher Milton.. even if he has 3 HR's

Yeah, this playing it careful stuff is going to catch up to him.

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:29 PM
Wow, I thought you were joking. Sosa is 3 for 21 this year, all 3 for homers. BTW Molina has 4.

Braves DFA'd him since he was making the Jones Brothers look bad in batting practice.

His OPS is 150 pts higher than Molina and only 40 pts lower than Junior :eek:

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:31 PM
Yeah, this playing it careful stuff is going to catch up to him.

Hpefully not, assuming the Milton 100 pitch/7th inning auto-suckitude removal device is in the house...

(Assuming game is within 5 runs, removed by remote controlled robot as soon as 100th pitch thrown or from 7th inning onward as soon as one guy reaches base)

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:31 PM
Freel grounds into a DP

You don't see that very often.....

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:32 PM
Sosa's going to shut the offense down.

westofyou
08-08-2006, 08:32 PM
I think it's fair to say the Cards get way more mileage out of lesser talent than the Reds do.
Maybe because they didn't fire everybody ten minutes after they got their speed dials down in their office?

oregonred
08-08-2006, 08:33 PM
Uncle Milty's pretty decent at the dish. He might have broken that open in the last inning if he had the bases jacked...

CTA513
08-08-2006, 08:33 PM
After 4 innings the Cardinals have turned 3 double plays.

:eek:

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:34 PM
GG says it's a sellout.

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 08:35 PM
I was shocked to find that Reds hitters have grounded into the fifth fewest amount of double plays in baseball.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:35 PM
Maybe because they didn't fire everybody ten minutes after they got their speed dials down in their office?

It's because they're a more disciplined organization. How they got there, I have no idea.

OnBaseMachine
08-08-2006, 08:35 PM
Clayton gives up a single.

CTA513
08-08-2006, 08:35 PM
2 Runners on for Pujols... cant walk him now.

Falls City Beer
08-08-2006, 08:36 PM
I think one of the wheels just fell off, whizzed by my ear.

MrCinatit
08-08-2006, 08:36 PM
Get the pen ready.
Seriously. 'tis not the time of the year to sit on one's hands.

NJReds
08-08-2006, 08:36 PM
Oh my god...

Reds Fanatic
08-08-2006, 08:36 PM
What a catch by Freel!!!!!!! Spectacular!!!

MrCinatit
08-08-2006, 08:36 PM
WOW! another great play by The Scrappy One!

Matt700wlw
08-08-2006, 08:37 PM
Eric Milton owes Ryan Freel dinner.

:clap: :notworthy :clap:

reds44
08-08-2006, 08:37 PM
OMG!!!!

Freel!!!!!

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!