8/11/06 - Reds vs. Phillies - Game Thread

[RedLegSuperStar]

Nope. He came in the 8th for Edwin.

Elizardo warming???!

Its Narron remember

[captainmorgan07]

Who is going to start tomorrow if EZ comes in?
do we dare say the word joe mays i hope not

[Matt700wlw]

Who is going to start tomorrow if EZ comes in?

Freel :lol:

[RedLegSuperStar]

c'mon Freel

[Reds Fanatic]

Who is going to start tomorrow if EZ comes in?
No clue. This game is going to screw up the entire rotation for a week.

[Tony Cloninger]

I don't think Sparky's used Clay Kirby yet.....is he in the doghouse?

He must have at least 1 inning in him.

[captainmorgan07]

who would be scheduled to start tommorrow for louisville?

[KronoRed]

EZ in the pen?

Well he didn't throw a lot of pitches last time out

[2001MUgrad]

I say just stick with Harrang for a few innings now. He is already warmed up. Don't completely kill the roation by using each of them for an inning.

[George Foster]

Pads lose.. LA winning.. won't lose ground in the WC

LA is only 1/2 game out...right?

[reds44]

I guess Belisle could come off the DL and start tomorrow..

[Reds Fanatic]

LA is only 1/2 game out...right?
LA is leading the division. SD and AZ were a 1/2 game out in the WC coming into today.

[TeamBoone]

what he say

Why? What did he say now that irks everyone. I didn't hear anything bad.

[redsrule2500]

Joe Mays being called up i kinda doubt that.

[George Foster]

No clue. This game is going to screw up the entire rotation for a week.

It will be a devestating loss or win...a win..not so devestating..

[RedLegSuperStar]

I guess Belisle could come off the DL and start tomorrow..

for the bats he's only pitched one inning eash appearance

[TheBurn]

Cards lost too...

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds better score (and they better hold it)

This really isn't fun anymore :lol:

[edabbs44]

if true, you are VASTLY overrating Kearns/Lopez.
The funny thing is that of all the guys acquired during trade season, the only one who will definitely be useful next year is Bray. Think about it.

[RedLegSuperStar]

scrappy Farney

[redsrule2500]

Worst part of this is, for either team, a loss is devestating. (But it's the best part, if you get a win)

[reds44]

Freel walks.


run scrappy run

[captainmorgan07]

nice job freel

[CTA513]

I guess Belisle could come off the DL and start tomorrow..

I dont know if he would be able to, he pitched tonight for the Bats.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel walks.

[2001MUgrad]

It still bothers me. The only guy with multiple hits today is on the bench now as he has been since the 8th. That bugs the crap out of me.

[TheBigLebowski]

Hatte needs to "Vet Up" here.

[SteelSD]

Freel walks. SB attempt coming up soon.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Hatte.. Hatte.. Hatte

[TheBigLebowski]

I just have this feeling something good is about to happen.

[reds44]

I dont know if he would be able to, he pitched tonight for the Bats.
Oh crap.

Homer :evil:

[VR]

Kyle Lohse....

2 starts
11 IP
3 Earnies
15 K's

[redsrule2500]

Freel at second....BASEHIT PLEASE>>>>!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg bunts Freel to 2nd. 2 outs.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Freel moves up

[captainmorgan07]

Kyle Lohse....

2 starts
11 IP
3 Earnies
15 K's
nice numbers

[Matt700wlw]

Ok Junior, if it was ever your time.....now would be it.

[2001MUgrad]

A Bunt??? Are you kidding me???

[reds44]

Hatteberg bunts?

[oregonred]

I guess Belisle could come off the DL and start tomorrow..

Then he goes off the 25-man and to Lville for 10 days?

Coffey/Weathers/Mercker/EvE/Cormier could all go tomorrow. We'll be fine.

Fortunately Monday is an offday.

Obviously we are all hoping Harang doesn't break

[KronoRed]

Kyle Lohse....

2 starts
11 IP
3 Earnies
15 K's
Small sample size

[George Foster]

yet another professional at bat for Hatty....

[RedLegSuperStar]

Junior!

[reds44]

Please run into his bat ball. Please.

[REDREAD]

Kyle Lohse....

2 starts
11 IP
3 Earnies
15 K's

Yea, the early returns have far exceeded anyone's expectations. Who would've thought he'd be the lift he has been?

[2001MUgrad]

I guess both Jr. and Dunn are due.

[redsrule2500]

Kyle Lohse....

2 starts
11 IP
3 Earnies
15 K's


I just got back.....sounds like he's doing good

[Matt700wlw]

It would be cool if baseball was sudden death.


Griffey is sudden death.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior fouls out to 2nd. 5-5 mid 14th.

[SteelSD]

What?

Dangit, Hatteberg. Hit. You need multiple bases.

[2001MUgrad]

or not.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Curse you Utley

[TheBigLebowski]

I do not like the idea of sacrificing to set up 2006 JR at all.

[George Foster]

another pull hit off the end of the bat for Jr.:thumbdown

[redsrule2500]

Yay Junior swinging like his bat is going to burn his hands.

[CrackerJack]

Jr...has done nothing but let this team down for some time now

[reds44]

Junior is soo bad it's not funny.

[captainmorgan07]

are u serious to the 14th we go

[TheBigLebowski]

That was a stupid freaking decision. I really, really do not approve of Jerry Narron.

[reds44]

Then he goes off the 25-man and to Lville for 10 days?

Coffey/Weathers/Mercker/EvE/Cormier could all go tomorrow. We'll be fine.

Fortunately Monday is an offday.

Obviously we are all hoping Harang doesn't break
Just have a bullpen day?

Who starts for you? Arroyo?

[oregonred]

Junior makes me sleepy (posting comment for FCB)

[Virginia Beach Reds]

alrighty then.

I do not want to place undo relevance on this game (should we lose)
but, this is a must win.

[CTA513]

If the Reds were going to bunt it should have been when they had runners at 1st and 2nd with no outs 1 or 2 inning ago.

[Wheelhouse]

Where is Cormier?

[reds44]

That was a stupid freaking decision. I really, really do not approve of Jerry Narron.
What was?

[flyer85]

is Cormier dead?

[reds44]

Where is Cormier?
Good question.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior, Dunn and BP are now a combined 0 for 17 tonight.

[CrackerJack]

alrighty then.

I do not want to place undo relevance on this game (should we lose)
but, this is a must win.

It is now.

[2001MUgrad]

EZ in now. Guess he is just going to use every pitcher now 1 inning and whoever is pitching in the 20th is stuck pitching till its over.

[reds44]

I hope to God he ain't tipping his pitches again.

[Matt700wlw]

...EZ in...I have a feeling it's over.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez in to pitch. So who knows who pitches tomorrow

[REDREAD]

is Cormier dead?

That's what I want to know.. You'd think he'd go before any of the starters..

[oregonred]

Late night Lizard.

Is it Homer's day tomorrow :)

[Wheelhouse]

Help.

[TheBigLebowski]

What was?

Having Hatte sec Freel so JR comes up with 2 outs. Hatte should have freaking been up there hitting.

[captainmorgan07]

let the kid go all nite we'll find somebody to pitch tommorrow

[2001MUgrad]

Not the best start.

[Reds Fanatic]

Delucchi leads off with a single.

[reds44]

EZ in now. Guess he is just going to use every pitcher now 1 inning and whoever is pitching in the 20th is stuck pitching till its over.
I get the feelign EZ will stay in until this is over.

[edabbs44]

Then he goes off the 25-man and to Lville for 10 days?

Coffey/Weathers/Mercker/EvE/Cormier could all go tomorrow. We'll be fine.

Fortunately Monday is an offday.

Obviously we are all hoping Harang doesn't break
JN is going to start Coffey. He'll face Rollins. Delucci, Utley and Howard up next. That's Cormier time. Weathers in to face Burrell and Rowand. EvE in to face Lieberthal and next thing you know, he looks at the scoreboard and ays "Oh shoot, it's only the 2nd inning."

[remdog]

Geez this game is painful but it's also captivating.

I was going to start dinner at 6:00 but I thought I'd check in on the game....it's now almost 8:30 and the only thing that's been 'cooked' is me....I only got to the cocktails part of dinner!

Rem

[flyer85]

this could be over fast

[TheBigLebowski]

I'd let JR baby-sit my kids anytime (if I had any), but I'm really getting tired of watching him play baseball.

[reds44]

Having Hatte sec Freel so JR comes up with 2 outs. Hatte should have freaking been up there hitting.
I don't think JN called for that one.

[George Foster]

Dear moderator:

can we have a 1 minute cursing pass if we lose this game?

[oregonred]

I get the feelign EZ will stay in until this is over.

You mean about four minutes :evil:

[2001MUgrad]

Junior, Dunn and BP are now a combined 0 for 17 tonight.

Of those currently in the lineup, there are only 3 hits between the 9 of them.

[SteelSD]

That was a stupid freaking decision. I really, really do not approve of Jerry Narron.

In Narron's defense, I'm not sure that Hatteberg's bunt was a sacrifice attempt. It appeared that Hatteberg might have been trying for a base hit.

But you're right. It was a stupid decision either way.

[flyer85]

I really have no idea why EZ is out there

[KronoRed]

You can't lose to a guy named Chase

[RedLegSuperStar]

dookie! 1st pitch hit and now 3-0 count

[VR]

Reds have faced 7 pitchers tonight

1 w/ an ERA in the 2's
1 w/ an ERA in the 3's
1 w/ an ERA in the 4's
4 with an ERA in the 5's

They are hitting a cool .163 :(

[oregonred]

No way Hatte was called to bunt there. He did that on his own.

Why not have Freel steal the base?

[CTA513]

Ramirez about to walk Utley.

[reds44]

EZ has 0 confidence.

[Matt700wlw]

I really have no idea why EZ is out there

Maybe Jerry said "screw it, Get 'em tomorrow" :evil:

[2001MUgrad]

A combined 29 strikeouts tonight.

[TheBurn]

Ugly.

[edabbs44]

In Narron's defense, I'm not sure that Hatteberg's bunt was a sacrifice attempt. It appeared that Hatteberg might have been trying for a base hit.

But you're right. It was a stupid decision either way.
Someone let Hatte know that the odds are against him beating out a bunt.

[vaticanplum]

Junior, Dunn and BP are now a combined 0 for 17 tonight.

You know, as much as we've been down on Junior this game, that is unusually bad. Seems a lot of bad luck needs to happen for those three to all be that cold.

[Reds Fanatic]

What I don't get is why you use EZ when Cormier is still in the bullpen.

[alloverjr]

I get the feelign EZ will stay in until this is over.

which will be about 2 more minutes.

[RedLegSuperStar]

thats it.. cause Howard will win this one here

[redsrule2500]

Why?

[redsfaninbsg]

Wow, how dumb.

[edabbs44]

This game is over.

[Wheelhouse]

????????

[reds44]

The pitcher is on deck, so if you get Howard u have a shot.

[TheBigLebowski]

Putting EZ in the game was just JN's way of crying "uncle."

[CTA513]

Why would you put the winning run at 3rd with 0 outs?

[Reds Fanatic]

Utley walks and an intentional walk to Howard. Bases loaded with no outs.

[REDREAD]

Well, if this gets the Lizards' turn skipped tommorrow, it might be a blessing in disguise.. Hate to say that, but it may all be for the best.

[2001MUgrad]

This is dumb. You do not IBB to put someone on 3rd base with 0 outs.

[TheBurn]

Are they walking him?

[reds44]

There gonna walk him?

[RedLegSuperStar]

0 outs bases loaded

[George Foster]

basesloaded...no outs...OVER...say goodnight Gracie....

[redsfaninbsg]

You walk a man to load the bases? With nobody out?

[KronoRed]

EZ is gonna make this one quick

[flyer85]

Maybe Jerry said "screw it, Get 'em tomorrow" :evil:didn't this innning set up for Cormier?

This is really stupid to walk Howard in this spot.

[redsrule2500]

I now cant stand grande. I used to approve, but he sucks.

[oregonred]

WTH???

You gotta be kidding me.

Get the out, then the pitcher next...

Complete brainfart.

[WVRedsFan]

Just got in and went to ESPN for the scores. Boy, was I surprised!

What in the heck is going on? Pitching Harang and EZ? Leaving Cromier on the bench. Taking Edwin out with 2 HR's? How did Eddie allow only one run on one hit and no HR?

This team amazes me.

[REDREAD]

Holy crap, only Narron would intentionally walk the winning run to 3rd with 0 outs when his pitcher can't throw strikes.

[TheBigLebowski]

Narron is officially Bob Boone-dumb.

[Puffy]

bad move - you never walk the winning run to third base w/ no outs

[TheBurn]

JN-

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2729/anchorman2un3.jpg

[SteelSD]

You must pitch to Ryan Howard. Even with the pitcher following, you desperately need the Out he potentially represents.

[reds44]

Even if you K FUltz there is only 1 out.

stupid.

[KronoRed]

Triple play time

[flyer85]

WTH???

You gotta be kidding me.

Get the out, then the pitcher next...

Complete brainfart.all the next batter after the pitcher has to do is hit a flyball

[redsrule2500]

2 strikes....

[2001MUgrad]

This was 1 of the better games of the year. How quickly it became one of the ugliest games of the year.

[WVRedsFan]

Wish I had gone to bed without having to watch the 14th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Fultz lines out to short. 1 out.

[KoryMac5]

The only thing I can think of is he is hoping for the Dp

[flyer85]

Howard still needed a hit. Narron gives them a ton of ways to win without getting a hit

[RedLegSuperStar]

1 down.. bases juiced

[reds44]

There's 1.

[Heath]

there should be a rule that states that any RZ game thread over 55 pages should be an automatic Reds win.

[redsrule2500]

almost hit him....LOL he just got out of the way!!!

[reds44]

See now all they need is a fly ball and it is over.

[2001MUgrad]

He should have acted like it hit him better than that.

[TheBigLebowski]

The fact that Fultz "lined out" does not leave me with a lot of confidence in EZ.

[Wheelhouse]

Poop.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Rowand.. scary fella with doubleplay potential

[redsrule2500]

damn ez sucks.

[KronoRed]

2 more outs :pray:

[RedLegSuperStar]

ballgame

[Reds Fanatic]

Rowand singles. Game over. What an ugly loss.

[oregonred]

Dumbest thing I've seen in a long time. Unreal.

[CTA513]

Phillies win and the Reds have no starter for tomorrow.

:help:

[redsrule2500]

Terrible loss, could be season turning.

[2001MUgrad]

Awful.
When looking back on the season. This may be the game that told the story.

[George Foster]

this proves that ER cannot be relied on in big situations....horrible

[RedLegSuperStar]

damn ez sucks.

how many pitchers pick up 2 loses in less than 24 hours?

[flyer85]

Narron has to be the dumbest manager on the face of the planet.

[vaticanplum]

Lametastic.

I think the karma surrounding this team is mentally unstable.

[Matt700wlw]

4.5 hours later, the ballgame is over.

[SteelSD]

If Rich Aurilia is playing heads-up and drops that soft liner, the result would have been a Double Play.

Game over. Stupid, stupid final inning management by Narron.

[KronoRed]

145 people on a Friday night game thread?

I think we all need some sort of social help :lol:

[TheBigLebowski]

I hate you, Jerry Narron.

[redsfaninbsg]

Bad pitching and horrible decisions by Narron.

[Wheelhouse]

Lesson to Reds: if you don't want to lose it in 14, keep the intensity up in the 5th, 6th, and 7th.

[George Foster]

Terrible loss, could be season turning.

It will be season turning....

[OnBaseMachine]

Smart move to bring in a pitcher who always gets rocked in his first inning of work. Narron kills me.

[edabbs44]

Chapter 2....use everyone in your bullpen for an average of 2/3 of an inning by the 9th.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764550853.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[deltachi8]

this proves that ER cannot be relied on in big situations....horrible

or he should not have been pitching tonight. (oh and he is 23)

[REDREAD]

this proves that ER cannot be relied on in big situations....horrible

We knew that before this inning. The guy just isn't that good. People have figured him out and he's lost confidence.

Sadly, we're forced to keep him in the rotation.

Hopefully, this inning makes it impossible for him to start tommorrow.

[VR]

Rowand singles. Game over. What an ugly loss.

It's amazing what happens when you just try to hit a single instead of a homerun swing every time. Reds could have used that about eleventeen times tonight.

[reds44]

That was so stupid. I don't understand walking Howard. At all.

[flyer85]

Awful.
When looking back on the season. This may be the game that told the story.Nah, there have been 6 or 7 of these.

A true series of brain farts from Narron

[KronoRed]

This loss sucks..we need to hit the bats up for half a staff now.

[RedLegSuperStar]

145 people on a Friday night game thread?

I think we all need some sort of social help :lol:

Dedicated to our team.. is our team dedicated to us?

[Eric_Davis]

How in the world do you take out Encarnacion and leave in Dunn or Griffey in this game, neither of which could knock in a run if the count was 3-0, no outs and the bases were loaded?

[George Foster]

If Rich Aurilia is playing heads-up and drops that soft liner, the result would have been a Double Play.

Game over. Stupid, stupid final inning management by Narron.

Infield fly rule.....

[Matt700wlw]

They need a win tomorrow....


...in 9 innings, please :D

[George Foster]

That was so stupid. I don't understand walking Howard. At all.

With only 8 hits in 14 innings...you are not going to win....

[Doc. Scott]

Infield fly rule.....

The infield fly rule is not supposed to apply for line drives.

[oregonred]

Can't blame EZ for that one. Mentally I'm sure he wasn't ready at all for pitching tonight.

IBB the winning run to third with no outs. I'm still in disbelief a manager could be that clueless.

[VR]

If Rich Aurilia is playing heads-up and drops that soft liner, the result would have been a Double Play.

Game over. Stupid, stupid final inning management by Narron.

Triple play perhaps. Millisecond to think about it, but it would have been sweet. Castro may have done it.

Stunning shot to the chops.

[remdog]

Someone just refer that whole Narron Appreciation Club thread to this game. That should close that matter. :angry:

Rem

[TheBigLebowski]

I feel the need to repeat that I hate Jerry Narron.

NO other manager in baseball walks the bases loaded with no outs in extra innings.

He is a certifiable idiot.

[KronoRed]

They need a win tomorrow....


...in 9 innings, please :D
Forget that we need 5 and a monsoon.

[reds44]

Guys it doesn't matter what the Cardinals do. We are 2 games over .50. 82-80 won't make the playoffs no matter how bad the NL is.

[RedLegSuperStar]

They need a win tomorrow....


...in 9 innings, please :D

let it go 5-6 innings and prey for rain with us leading

[George Foster]

They need a win tomorrow....


...in 9 innings, please :D

Not going to happen...Phillies will sweep...devestating loss...devestating.

[flyer85]

With only 8 hits in 14 innings...you are not going to win....
no when you give away two runs you are not going to win. The Jr and Ross errors kept the Phillies alive when the game should have been over.

[Matt700wlw]

Forget that we need 5 and a monsoon.

I don't think the dry Canadian air that has dropped into the Midwest is going to make that possible.

[WVRedsFan]

I don't understand. You use Weathers, Bray, coffey, Guardado, Mercker, Franklin, and Harang. You've got five choices left in your bullpen, even though you've used a starter--your ace--already and you go to EZ, who hasn't been able to get anyone out in a month. You leave Cromier in the bullpen. You allow EZ to load the bases and you allow Bray to allow three runs, but you pull Coffey after 1/3 inning. You walk the winning run to third.

And you expect to win?

I should have gone to bed. Now, I'll never get to sleep.

[RedLegSuperStar]

back to small ball and pitch to content

[cReds1]

I feel the need to repeat that I hate Jerry Narron.

NO other manager in baseball walks the bases loaded with no outs in extra innings.

He is a certifiable idiot.

He deserves another contract extension. :rolleyes:

[flyer85]

I feel the need to repeat that I hate Jerry Narron.

NO other manager in baseball walks the bases loaded with no outs in extra innings.

He is a certifiable idiot.Howard still had to get a hit. Instead you give a good hitter(rowand) an ab where all he really have to do is put it in play.

[alloverjr]

It's nice to see all those trades for bullpen help really working out for us. Remember, this team blew 2 leads in the final 2 innings of regulation.

Oh...and JN makes some really dumb decisions.

[Reds Fanatic]

We need to break in and turn the sprinklers on for a Bull Durham rainout tomorrow.

[reds44]

With only 8 hits in 14 innings...you are not going to win....
Yeah then why did he take the guy with 2 homers and 3 rbis out in the 8th?

That was real smart. :rolleyes:

[George Foster]

The infield fly rule is not supposed to apply for line drives.

The difference between a line-drive and a fly ball is subjective...

[RedsMan3203]

So who has options left in the pen/staters wise?


I'm sure we could see 1 or 2 players sent down and some extra fresh arms come up for tomorrow.

Lohse and EZ?

[Puffy]

You never walk the winning run in an extra inning game to third base. Take your chances w/ Howard and the DP

Bad managing

[CrackerJack]

8 hits in 14 innings for the Reds - yeesh

[TheBigLebowski]

Howard still had to get a hit. Instead you give a good hitter(rowand) an ab where all he really have to do is put it in play.

Hence my hatred. That's "Managing Baseball for Dummies" stuff. He is a buffoon.

[TheBurn]

I still can't get over the decision to walk Howard to load 'em up w/ no outs.

[RedLegSuperStar]

Yeah then why did he take the guy with 2 homers and 3 rbis out in the 8th?

That was real smart. :rolleyes:

Noticed he left Rich out of the line-up and needed an excuse to take out the best hitter of the night

[marcshoe]

I haven't been on the computer tonight, just watching the game, and this may just be the emotion of the moment, but that may have been the stupidest managing I have ever seen in my life.

I'm talking about the walk to Howard, but that was hardly the only idiotic thing done tonight.

There were no outs. I don't care if the next batter was Eddie Gaedel. There were no outs! In extra innings! On the Road! (I'm dangerously close to going all caps here), You Don't Put The Winning Run On Third With NO Outs!

[George Foster]

Howard still had to get a hit. Instead you give a good hitter(rowand) an ab where all he really have to do is put it in play.

I agree. You had a 70% chance of getting him out. Stupid...

[Doc. Scott]

The difference between a line-drive and a fly ball is subjective...

That line drive was nothing else but, believe me. It was a low pitch and the ball never went more than a couple of feet off the ground.

[Wheelhouse]

Narron has a superb record in 1-run games, the measure of a manager in my book...though I certainly disagree with him often, esp. starting Clayton. I look to the complete failure of Griffey and Dunn to deliver anything whatsoever as the reason for this loss. Dunn has looked overmatched at times, and against mediocre pitching. And if Griffey does not play well, I'll say it again, the Reds are toast.

[flyer85]

look, everything was explainable until the last inning.

WHy pitch EZ instead of Cormier?

You cannot walk Howard to load the bases. Complete lunacy. There is no logical thought process that gets you to walking Howard with NO OUTS!

[SteelSD]

Triple play perhaps. Millisecond to think about it, but it would have been sweet. Castro may have done it.

Yep. Phillips almost got the DP when he let the ball drop the other night (was it last night?). If Aurilia drops it, there's a 6-3-5 DP at minimum and the potential, as you aptly stated, for a Triple Play. A DP would have been huge as it could have altered how Ramirez pitched to Rowand.

[OnBaseMachine]

I haven't been on the computer tonight, just watching the game, and this may just be the emotion of the moment, but that may have been the stupidest managing I have ever seen in my life.

Pinch hitting for Encarnacion with the bases loaded a few weeks back against the Mets still ranks up there highly on Narron's list of dumb moves...

[redsrule2500]

Narron has a superb record in 1-run games, the measure of a manager in my book...though I certainly disagree with him often, esp. starting Clayton. I look to the complete failure of Griffey and Dunn to deliver anything whatsoever as the reason for this loss. Dunn has looked overmatched at times, and against mediocre pitching. And if Griffey does not play well, I'll say it again, the Reds are toast.

I agree. Griffey is hurting this team much more than Narron.

[redsmetz]

Narron has a superb record in 1-run games, the measure of a manager in my book...though I certainly disagree with him often, esp. starting Clayton. I look to the complete failure of Griffey and Dunn to deliver anything whatsoever as the reason for this loss. Dunn has looked overmatched at times, and against mediocre pitching. And if Griffey does not play well, I'll say it again, the Reds are toast.

Yes, if Griffey doesn't come around, we're in huge trouble. And while he did well to get to that ball, I wish he hadn't missed. I just watched the report on the news and I thought Dunn gave up on the hit that gave the Phillies their first run. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it looked catchable.

[smith288]

I said this in the chat....the walking the bases loaded with no outs as like knowing you were going to die but didnt know how. Totally helpless feeling.

[RedLegSuperStar]

G'Night Gang.. that one drained me

[reds44]

Yep. Phillips almost got the DP when he let the ball drop the other night (was it last night?). If Aurilia drops it, there's a 6-3-5 DP at minimum and the potential, as you aptly stated, for a Triple Play. A DP would have been huge as it could have altered how Ramirez pitched to Rowand.
lol that was tonight.

[George Foster]

That line drive was nothing else but, believe me. It was a low pitch and the ball never went more than a couple of feet off the ground.

my point is there is no difference made in the rule book.

"with a man on 1st and 2nd or 1st,2nd, and 3rd with one out or no out and the ball hit on the fly in the infield, the batter is automaticly out."

[flyer85]

Narron has a superb record in 1-run games, the measure of a manager in my book...though I certainly disagree with him often, esp. starting Clayton. I look to the complete failure of Griffey and Dunn to deliver anything whatsoever as the reason for this loss. Dunn has looked overmatched at times, and against mediocre pitching. And if Griffey does not play well, I'll say it again, the Reds are toast.The Reds had the runs to win, the bullpen and defense gave the game away and then Narron short circuited in the 14th.

[oregonred]

Pinch hitting for Encarnacion with the bases loaded a few weeks back against the Mets still ranks up there highly on Narron's list of dumb moves...

That was at least somewhat defendable with having reliable Hatt PH'ing to get the go-ahead run in. (not that it was the right decision)

This IBB brainfart is easily one of the dumbest managerial moves I've ever seen

[Matt700wlw]

Ross doesn't make an erroneous throw to second in the bottom of the 9th, and this converstation isn't taking place, and that game is over an hour and a half ago.

The Reds had plenty of opportunity to knock this one wide open, and they didn't do it.

They didn't deserve to win it, and they didn't.


Regroup, reattach arms, and aim for a series win

[SteelSD]

lol that was tonight.

LOL! That's what happens when you watch a game on your lunch break, return to work and then see the same game going on 4 hours later.

:laugh:

[Phhhl]

You don't treat a player who clearly isn't Barry Bonds (circa 2002) like Barry Bonds. Nobody deserves that kind of respect, even a great young one like Howard.

Tough loss that could have lasting repercussions. Wonder who pitches tomorrow...

[reds44]

Listen Ryan Howard is not God. Like all baseball players he fails more then he suceeds. If he makes an out (odds says he will), then the pitcher will most likely make an out, and you have 2 outs with runners on 1st and 2nd.

sometimes Narron out thinks himself.

[flyer85]

The Reds had plenty of opportunity to knock this one wide open, and they didn't do it.

They didn't deserve to win it, and they didn't.

they gave it away twice and you rarely get a 3rd opportunity. This team may have just fallen off the cliff.

[Wheelhouse]

The Reds had the runs to win, the bullpen and defense gave the game away and then Narron short circuited in the 14th.

Griffey/Dunn tonight:

0-11, 4Ks, 8 LOB

Horrid. We needed just a little bit from them...

[remdog]

my point is there is no difference made in the rule book.

"with a man on 1st and 2nd or 1st,2nd, and 3rd with one out or no out and the ball hit on the fly in the infield, the batter is automaticly out."

For it to be ruled an infield fly the umpire must call it. IIRC, the umpire believes the ball was dropped on purpose he can call the batter out and return the runners to their bases.

Rem

[oregonred]

Phils had 23 baserunners tonight and 18 from the 7th inning onward!

They should have won this game in every inning from the 10th onward.

[flyer85]

You don't treat a player who clearly isn't Barry Bonds (circa 2002) like Barry Bonds. Nobody deserves that kind of respect, even a great young one like Howard.

Tough loss that could have lasting repercussions. Wonder who pitches tomorrow...say hello to Joe Mays back to Cincy and EZ back to AAA

[George Foster]

In January this is the game we will talk about that was the beginning to the end. I have lost my mojo after tonight boys....I really have.

[KronoRed]

Could be worse

;)

[Red in Chicago]

Ross doesn't make an erroneous throw to second in the bottom of the 9th, and this converstation isn't taking place, and that game is over an hour and a half ago.

The Reds had plenty of opportunity to knock this one wide open, and they didn't do it.

They didn't deserve to win it, and they didn't.


Regroup, reattach arms, and aim for a series win


why couldn't larue have been brought in for defense?

[CTA513]

Griffey/Dunn tonight:

0-11, 4Ks, 8 LOB

Horrid.

Encarnacion 2-3 with 2 homeruns and 3 RBIs was sitting on the bench after being replaced by Castro.

:help:

[alloverjr]

Listen Ryan Howard is not God. Like all baseball players he fails more then he suceeds. If he makes an out (odds says he will), then the pitcher will most likely make an out, and you have 2 outs with runners on 1st and 2nd.

sometimes Narron out thinks himself.

The decision to pitch EZ in that situation makes those odds swing heavily in the Phil's favor. The IBB is lunacy, pitching EZ in the 14th is plain goofy.

[cReds1]

Griffey/Dunn tonight:

0-11, 4Ks, 8 LOB

Horrid.

Contract extension material. :evil:

[oregonred]

say hello to Joe Mays back to Cincy and EZ back to AAA

Say hello to NFL Direct Ticket and College GamePlan :bang:

[George Foster]

For it to be ruled an infield fly the umpire must call it. IIRC, the umpire believes the ball was dropped on purpose he can call the batter out and return the runners to their bases.

Rem

exactly. Aurilla droping the ball is moot.

[reds44]

Griffey/Dunn tonight:

0-11, 4Ks, 8 LOB

Horrid. We needed just a little bit from them...
Add BP in there and it's 0-17.

There was 1 guy doing anything on offense and that was Edwin, but Narron decided to pull him.

[alloverjr]

Phils had 23 baserunners tonight and 18 from the 7th inning onward!

They should have won this game in every inning from the 10th onward.

That's the much improved bullpen you're referring to. :)

[RedsMan3203]

say hello to Joe Mays back to Cincy and EZ back to AAA


Thats what I asked.... I could see EZ and Lohse both sent down tomorrow to get 2 extra arms.... or atleast 1 starter on full rest and 1 bullpen arm.

[flyer85]

Griffey/Dunn tonight:

0-11, 4Ks, 8 LOB

Horrid.and yet ....

it wouldn't have mattered on bit without a dropped fly ball and a throwing error from the catcher.

[reds44]

say hello to Joe Mays back to Cincy and EZ back to AAA
Homer Bailey

clap clap clap clap clap

[flyer85]

Thats what I asked.... I could see EZ and Lohse both sent down tomorrow to get 2 extra arms.... or atleast 1 starter on full rest and 1 bullpen arm.Lohse is going nowhere, you realize a pitcher can't come back for 10 days.

[cReds1]

and yet ....

it wouldn't have mattered on bit without a dropped fly ball and a throwing error from the catcher.

so it is the catcher's fault due to the best players were Ofers? get real.

[George Foster]

Homer Bailey

clap clap clap clap clap

It's time....the "future" is NOW

[RedsMan3203]

Homer Bailey

clap clap clap clap clap

When was his last start and when is he due to start again? :evil:

[reds44]

so it is the catcher's fault due to the best players were Ofers? get real.
Griffey is nowhere near the best player on this team

Edwin, Dunn, Hatteberg, and Freel are all better. Ross might be better.

[RedsMan3203]

Lohse is going nowhere, you realize a pitcher can't come back for 10 days.


I did not - thats why I was asking. Thanks.

[reds44]

When was his last start and when is he due to start again? :evil:
He started on Tuesday so that makes tomorrow his day.

:devil:

[cReds1]

Griffey is nowhere near the best player on this team

Edwin, Dunn, Hatteberg, and Freel are all better. Ross might be better.

i am being sarcastic.