8/13/06: Reds @ Phillies Game Thread (Rich at SS)

[Matt700wlw]

A win would be the topper! :beerme:

[reds44]

Ryan Freel RF Season .294 7 24
Scott Hatteberg 1B Season .330 11 38
Ken Griffey Jr. CF Season .237 23 63
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .300 10 53
Adam Dunn LF Season .252 34 80
Rich Aurilia SS Season .281 15 44
Brandon Phillips 2B Season .290 11 57
David Ross C Season .285 14 35
Eric Milton P Season .205 0 3


Rollins SS Season .269 17 49
Shane Victorino RF Season .264 4 25
Chase Utley 2B Season .325 21 74
Ryan Howard 1B Season .294 40 103
Pat Burrell LF Season .262 23 73
Aaron Rowand CF Season .258 12 44
Mike Lieberthal C Season .243 3 19
Abraham O. Nunez 3B Season .169 1 9
Brett Myers P Season .024 0 1

[OnBaseMachine]

This would be a much better lineup if Dunn was hitting second or third. I guess his .333/.433/.627-1.060 OPS in the second spot wasn't good enough.

[RedsMan3203]

Everyone should like this lineup all cept' for JR being in the 3 hole.... i'd like to flip him and Dunner for awhile...

[dougdirt]

Rich better only play SS when Milton plays, otherwise there are some serious problems defensively at SS.

[reds44]

This would be a much better lineup if Dunn was hitting second or third. I guess his .333/.433/.627-1.060 OPS in the second spot wasn't good enough.
Let it go. Adam Dunn isn't the only hitter on the team. Hatteberg and his over .400 OBP should be in the 2 hole.

If Dunn can only hit well in the 2 hole, then he isn't as good of a hitter as we all think he is.

However I think Dunn should be batting 3rd.

[OnBaseMachine]

Let it go. Adam Dunn isn't the only hitter on the team. Hatteberg and his over .400 OBP should be in the 2 hole.

If Dunn can only hit well in the 2 hole, then he isn't as good of a hitter as we all think he is.

However I think Dunn should be batting 3rd.

I can have my own opinion. You're not a mod, so don't tell me to let it go.

As I said above, Dunn should be hitting 2nd or 3rd to get more protection. His numbers when batting ahead of Griffey speak for themselves.

[reds44]

You let it go.

I can have my own opinion. You're not a mod, so don't tell me to let it go.

As I said above, Dunn should be hitting 2nd or 3rd to get more protection. His numbers when batting ahead of Griffey speak for themselves.
Yeesh do you have to freak out when somebody disagrees with you?

Dunn's recent struggles have nothing to do with him batting 5th. It has to do with him being a very streaky hitter. He'll go on a hot streak again soon.

[Matt700wlw]

I think this is the best offensive lineup that can possibly be thrown out there.


Now that I said that, I'll brace myself for a shut-out :D

[OnBaseMachine]

Yeesh do you have to freak out when somebody disagrees with you?

:laugh:

Oh the irony.

[cumberlandreds]

I think this is the best offensive lineup that can possibly be thrown out there.


Now that I said that, I'll brace myself for a shut-out :D

Jinx! ;)

[smith288]

Sweet...this thread already sucks and we are 30+ min away... Chat, here I come.

[membengal]

Props to Narron for this. Put Phillips at SS and we are finally there on the infield, but I am not going to complain about the fact that he has found a way to get Aurilia, EE and Phillips in all at once.

[OnBaseMachine]

I do agree that the best eight are on the field today, I just wish he would have flipped a couple of players around.

[edabbs44]

As I said above, Dunn should be hitting 2nd or 3rd to get more protection. His numbers when batting ahead of Griffey speak for themselves.
I'm not sure if Griffey would actually work as protection for anyone right now.

[Matt700wlw]

ignore this post.

[Spring~Fields]

Finally after 117 games into the season the hat Narron uses to draw his lineups from puts his best eight into the game at the same time..........now I am really confused, confused as to what were the barriers to inhibit this from happening earlier. So now the question remains for me, what keeps the manager, the boss, from moving Griffey from the 3 spot until his struggles have passed, and moving Phillips to short and Aurilia to 2nd to keep his best eight in the lineups in between resting players from time to time.

[RedsManRick]

Finally an intelligent lineup from Narron. Senior FlyBall is pitching so he realizes that Aurilia's defense as SS isn't a big deal. That said, this would've been the perfect game to sit Junior, play Freel in CF, and Deno in RF... err....

[TheBigLebowski]

Like the lineup....agree that the only real objection is JR (should either be flipped w/Dunn or out of the lineup altogether)....also agree that Dunn should be able to hit the damn ball regardless of where he is in the order.

[Falls City Beer]

Sweet...this thread already sucks and we are 30+ min away... Chat, here I come.

Whine, whine. :cry:

Whining about the Reds is one thing (it's a Reds' baseball board); whining about the behavior of others who aren't breaking the board's rules should be filtered to the non-BB side.

Anti-meta-whining!!! Who's with me?!!!

Let's take back Redszone for Reds' fans!!!!

[Matt700wlw]

Anyone realize Pete Rose actually beat the hit record twice?

Cobb actually got 4189, not 4191 (scoring mistakes)....

[dougdirt]

In that case, he still only beat it once. his 4190th broke it.

[Matt700wlw]

Unless you say he beat the actual record, and the recorded record...

[smith288]

Whine, whine. :cry:

Whining about the Reds is one thing (it's a Reds' baseball board); whining about the behavior of others who aren't breaking the board's rules should be filtered to the non-BB side.

Anti-meta-whining!!! Who's with me?!!!

Let's take back Redszone for Reds' fans!!!!
Be proud FCB. You da man.

[Falls City Beer]

Be proud FCB. You da man.

Darn skippy.

Let's beat the crap out of the wife-beater!!!

Kill this scumbag Myers.

[RedsMan3203]

Ken Griffey SR is in the house....

Here is to SR breaking up JR's slump. :beerme:

[MaineRed]

Yeesh do you have to freak out when somebody disagrees with you?

Was, "let it go", acceptable when you wouldn't shut up about Edwin?

Didn't think so.

[Matt700wlw]

This may be the first time ever the Reds have gone to Pennsylvania for a series and there's not a single theat of rain for the whole series...

[RedFanAlways1966]

Today's bright side moment...

* In the 3-game series against Philadelphia on May 12-14 the mighty REDS offense (yes, w/ FeLo & AK) managed a whopping 5 runs in the whole 3-game series... lost 8-4, 2-0 & 2-1.

>> The REDS have scored at least 5 runs in each of the 2 games played in this series (yes, w/out FeLo & AK). They have also won 1 more game than they did in May.

[reds44]

Was, "let it go", acceptable when you wouldn't shut up about Edwin?

Didn't think so.
Was I wrong about Edwin?

Besides it's not like Dunn isn't playing.

[Matt700wlw]

Today's bright side moment...

* In the 3-game series against Philadelphia on May 12-14 the mighty REDS offense (yes, w/ FeLo & AK) manged a whopping 5 runs in the whole 3-game series... lost 8-4, 2-0 & 2-1.

>> The REDS have scored at least 5 runs in each of the 2 games played in this series (yes, w/out FeLo & AK). They have also won 1 more game than they did in May.


That's impossible.

[RedsMan3203]

Freel gets up 3-0 on Myers then K's on 3 stright pitches.

Wow.

[NJReds]

Freel gets ahead 3-0, but Myers battles back and strikes him out swinging.

[BoydsOfSummer]

Ryan Howard has 13 errors at 1st...wow. He and his league leading homers would be sitting for the Reds.

[NJReds]

Hatte K's

[Matt700wlw]

Hatte with a rare strike out

[MaineRed]

Was I wrong about Edwin?

Besides it's not like Dunn isn't playing.

Is that really the point?

Apparently you believe the only things that can be harped on are the things YOU believe.

Is the poster you jumped on, WRONG?

[reds44]

Not a good start.

[MaineRed]

Junior sucks.

[RedsMan3203]

There is a nice long single for JR.


That looks nice.

[NJReds]

Nice rip for Jr. Only a single, and about 2 feet from a HR.

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey smoked that ball.

Hopefully that's only the start..

[reds44]

Is that really the point?

Apparently you believe the only things that can be harped on are the things YOU believe.

Is the poster you jumped on, WRONG?
I think so.

If Dunn batted 2nd all year do you think he would be a .300 hitter? No of course not. He is what he is. A .250 hitter who is going to drive in alot of runs, hit alot of homers, and take alot of walks. And he is a darn good player.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Junior needs to ask Edwin how to make that ball bounce over the rightfield wall.

[penantboundreds]

i have been waiting for the story ab sr teaching jr....he came to town to help get him back on the right track and hopefully told him to be more patient

[Matt700wlw]

Bench eddie :D

[NJReds]

EE k's...

[OnBaseMachine]

It's truly amazing how many times Reds hitters get ahead 3-0 and then get out. Both Freel and EE did it.

[RedLegSuperStar]

4 batters 3 K's.. Milton time

[MaineRed]

I think so.

If Dunn batted 2nd all year do you think he would be a .300 hitter? No of course not. He is what he is. A .250 hitter who is going to drive in alot of runs, hit alot of homers, and take alot of walks. And he is a darn good player.

You think so? So that is reason to tell the guy to let it go?

Plenty of people think you are wrong with all the things you say. But let it go gets responses like, "was I wrong."

You obviously believe your word is more valuable than others. If you say it, it must be true.

[CTA513]

Junior sucks.


:beerme:

[RedsManRick]

Not that I like the Ks, but it's good to see Myers throw 22 pitches in the first. We've shown that we can hit the Philly bullpen.

[Matt700wlw]

Milty back to his old stomping grounds....Philly!

[reds44]

You think so? So that is reason to tell the guy to let it go?

Plenty of people think you are wrong with all the things you say. But let it go gets responses like, "was I wrong."

You obviously believe your word is more valuable than others. If you say it, it must be true.
Hey now I'm not Marty. I have been wrong plenty of times like Felipe Lopez and the trade. You brought up me complaining about Edwin, and I think my complaining has been justified right? If Dunn bats in the 2 hole and see's his numbers go way up then he'll be right, and I will be wrong (again). I dom't think that will happen.

I didn't realize the words "let it it go" would touch off such a spark. I apologize. Now I am going to "let it go".

[NJReds]

Nice play by EE...good throw!

[OnBaseMachine]

Another good play by Encarnacion. He'll win some gold gloves.

[reds44]

Good play EE.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice play by EE...good throw!

That extra fielding practice has payed off...

[Matt700wlw]

Another good play by Encarnacion. He will win some gold gloves.

It's only a matter of time.

[OnBaseMachine]

That extra fielding practice has payed off...

No, finally playing everyday is paying off.

[edabbs44]

Milty back to his old stomping grounds....Philly!
The only thing about this statement is whether Milty was the stomper or the stompee.

BTW, our old friend Luke Hudson is currently having a 1st inning to forget. 8 batters - 5 hits, two walks and an error.

[reds44]

No, finally playing everyday is paying off.
Both. His throwing has improved drastically since he came off the DL.

[RedLegSuperStar]

2 Down Rollins to 3rd

[Matt700wlw]

No, finally playing everyday is paying off.

The extra fielding practice (which he showed up early everyday to do) is why he's now playing everyday now.....wrong or right.

[reds44]

Way to use the ENTIRE field Milty.

[George Foster]

unlike other members of this outfield, Freel never gives up on a ball.

[Matt700wlw]

That second out was scary, but a nice start for Milton.

[RedLegSuperStar]

skates out of danger

[reds44]

We should have walked Babe Howard.

umm no

[MaineRed]

Let it go is the same as saying, shut up.

And you didn't say let it go because your opinion had been justified (as you claim your feelings on Edwin have been). You said it because you simply disagreed with him.

Sorry reds44, it just gets under my skin when people play off their opinion as fact and tell the other side not to bother posting their thoughts on the matter.

I'm sure the other poster didn't realize that stating his prefered line-up would lead to someone telling him to zip it.

[NJReds]

That second out was scary, but a nice start for Milton.

Every fly ball to the outfield in this place is scary. ESPN, et al, like to complain about GABP, but this place looks like a little league field.

[TheBigLebowski]

I've been noticing lately that teams start to hit Myers the 2nd and 3rd times through the lineup. If Milty can hold them at bay for 5-6 innings, we should produce some runs for him.

[RedsMan3203]

Adam Dunn should shave his hair.

[Matt700wlw]

Oh, Dunner...

[BCubb2003]

First time since Aug. 4 a Reds pitcher got through the first inning without givin g up a run.

[George Foster]

God, Dunn is in a Fogg...clueless..

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn swings at ball 4. If a Reds hitter gets a 3 ball count then go ahead and assume the out.

[RedLegSuperStar]

contact redlegs

[NJReds]

Myers still on pace for 27Ks.

[reds44]

What are you swinging at?


Dunn now 1-21 vs. Philly this year.

[TheBigLebowski]

Hit the freaking ball, Adam. Criminy.

Least Myers is throwing a lot of pitches.

[NJReds]

The only thing about this statement is whether Milty was the stomper or the stompee.

BTW, our old friend Luke Hudson is currently having a 1st inning to forget. 8 batters - 5 hits, two walks and an error.

Update...7 hits, 3 walks, 11 runs (1/3 of an inning).

[TheBigLebowski]

We've officially recorded an out that wasn't a K, although it wasn't that far from it. The ball ultimately ended up in the catcher's glove.

[MaineRed]

11 runs? Holy cow!

[TheBigLebowski]

Cleveland has scored 11 first inning runs, and they're still batting.

Wow.

[OnBaseMachine]

Travis Hafner hit his 6th grand slam of the year today.

[MaineRed]

This is the line-up everyone begged for. It certainly looks good on paper .....

[Matt700wlw]

Update...7 hits, 3 walks, 11 runs (1/3 of an inning).

Yikes.

[TheBigLebowski]

6 possible outs, 5 k's and a foul out to the catcher.

Like I said, however...Myers gets pretty hittable in the later innings, and he's throwing a LOT of pitches.

[reds44]

Travis Hafner hit his 6th grand slam of the year today.
That guy is a freak.

[Matt700wlw]

Cleveland has scored 11 first inning runs, and they're still batting.

Wow.


I think the Reds did something similar (or more) against the Rockies way back when...

[MaineRed]

I bet if we played the Inidians again and Haffner came up, top of 9, bases loaded, tie game, Narron would walk him.

:)

[RedsManRick]

Hudson threw 47 pitches to get 1 out. His ERA for the game is 270. That hurts.

[TheBigLebowski]

I think the Reds did something similar (or more) against the Rockies way back when...

I do have a faint recollection of that...

Didn't the Rox end up making a game out of that one? That wasn't the Scotty "Boom Boom" Sullivan game, was it?

[George Foster]

Cleveland has scored 11 first inning runs, and they're still batting.

Wow.

Why can't the Reds have a game like that? You could get things done around the house, "afternoon lovin" with your wife, watch a movie, etc.

The way these games have been they keep you glued to the TV...it sucks.

[TheBigLebowski]

PIT up 2-0 on STL

[Matt700wlw]

I do have a faint recollection of that...

Didn't the Rox end up making a game out of that one? That wasn't the Scotty "Boom Boom" Sullivan game, was it?

I have the hilight somewhere......they pounded them in the first back in the debut year of the Rocks, I believe...

[reds44]

Why can't the Reds have a game like that? You could get things done around the house, "afternoon lovin" with your wife, watch a movie, etc.

The way these games have been they keep you glued to the TV...it sucks.
If we scored 11 runs in the 1st, I still wouldn't be comfortable with the lead.

[Matt700wlw]

PIT up 2-0 on STL

Don't tell the Reds

[TheBigLebowski]

Why can't the Reds have a game like that? You could get things done around the house, "afternoon lovin" with your wife, watch a movie, etc.

The way these games have been they keep you glued to the TV...it sucks.

Or, even more pitifully, glued to the "gamecast."

[Matt700wlw]

The way these games have been they keep you glued to the TV...it sucks.


Not for ratings :D

[Falls City Beer]

Those 11 runs came off our boy Luke Hudson.

Guys with "good" stuff who can't control it suck.

[George Foster]

Or, even more pitifully, glued to the "gamecast."

That gamecast is like watching paint dry. "ball in play"

[Matt700wlw]

When Milty gives up a fly ball, it almost looks like he's reluctant to turn around to see where it goes.

:lol:

[MaineRed]

I still can't tell myself not to get upset when George Grande says:

"HIT PRETTY GOOD TO LEFT."

95% of the time, you look up and the outfielder has it 25 feet in front of the wall.

[Matt700wlw]

Who do we cheer for? San Diego or Houston?

[Falls City Beer]

Outside of Howard and Burrell, this team doesn't have a lot of pop.

[TheBigLebowski]

That gamecast is like watching paint dry. "ball in play"

It's been improved a bit, but you can always tell when something's up..

"Incoming pitch has been hit in play" shows and, the score is always updated before the narrative.

Plus, if there's baserunners on, they pop up and down.

It's pitiful being me.

[OnBaseMachine]

Outside of Howard and Burrell, this team doesn't have a lot of pop.

Utley has 57 XBH and a .543 SLG.

Another fine play by Freel.

[Matt700wlw]

How can you not love Ryan Freel?

[RedLegSuperStar]

Freel/Farney = Scrappy

[TheBigLebowski]

Who is "Farney?"

[BCubb2003]

Freel hit the ground hard on that one.

[Falls City Beer]

Freel/Farney = Scrappy

I wonder what would happen if Freel and Farney were to become deranged from one another--that is, what if Farney says "Left!" and Freel says "Right!"

[George Foster]

It's been improved a bit, but you can always tell when something's up..

"Incoming pitch has been hit in play" shows and, the score is always updated before the narrative.

Plus, if there's baserunners on, they pop up and down.

It's pitiful being me.

Dude spend 14 bucks and get the radio telecast. It comes in as clear as a bell. Only down side is it is 30 seconds behind the posting on the reds zone.

[BCubb2003]

I wonder what would happen if Freel and Farney were to become deranged from one another--that is, what if Farney says "Left!" and Freel says "Right!"

That tends to happen on the basepaths.

[Matt700wlw]

Who is "Farney?"

It's the midget in Freel's head. No, I'm not kidding.

[Falls City Beer]

That tends to happen on the basepaths.

:laugh:

[NJReds]

Who do we cheer for? San Diego or Houston?

Personally, I'd rather have Houston as far away as possible. Also, I'm guessing that San Diego, LA and Arizona have plenty of games left against each other.

[reds44]

At least he didn't K.

[Falls City Beer]

Come on: let's get to this cracker, Myers!!

[Matt700wlw]

That Milton guy can hit...

[RedLegSuperStar]

Milty got POP

[George Foster]

Milton has a good stroke....he can hit.

[reds44]

Milty!!!!!!

[NJReds]

Dude spend 14 bucks and get the radio telecast. It comes in as clear as a bell. Only down side is it is 30 seconds behind the posting on the reds zone.

Before I sprung for the EI package (and on days where the Reds aren't on EI), I listen to the games on WATH.

[CTA513]

Myers is getting behind alot of batters.
Hes also striking out alot of batters, but at the same time throwing a good number of pitches.

[Matt700wlw]

Milton's double put a hole in the wall :lol:

[TheBigLebowski]

Myers is getting behind alot of batters.
Hes also striking out alot of batters, but at the same time throwing a good number of pitches.

He's up to 45 now.

Bad news is, Milty's pitch count is high as well.

[RedLegSuperStar]

bring him around to score Scrappy

[Matt700wlw]

Freel walks...or was that Farney?

[George Foster]

lets score right here!!!

[MaineRed]

Freel has seen 7 balls on two plate appearances.

[Falls City Beer]

He's up to 45 now.

Bad news is, Milty's pitch count is high as well.

Milton's count is not great, but it's manageable.

[Matt700wlw]

Milton's count is not great, but it's manageable.

Hopefully he'll find a groove

[CTA513]

It looked like Farney didnt want Freel to toss the bat to the bat boy after walking.

;)

[RedLegSuperStar]

playing MLB: The Show 06 and listening to the REDS.. whats better than that?

[RedsManRick]

Milton is now hitting 14 points less than Griffey.

[BoydsOfSummer]

Freel has seen 7 balls on two plate appearances.

And adjusted/scratched two others...

[NJReds]

Myers falling in love with his curveball now.

[Falls City Beer]

It looked like Farney didnt want Freel to toss the bat to the bat boy after walking.

;)

You know sometimes it's like Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots in that head of his.

[RedLegSuperStar]

It looked like Farney didnt want Freel to toss the bat to the bat boy after walking.

;)

Think ol' Farney is upset he doesn't have a jersey yet?

[NJReds]

Nice job by Freel breaking up the DP...he deserves an RBI.

Edit: Rollins threw the ball away allowing Milton to score.

[George Foster]

Freel takes him out at second:thumbup:

[RedLegSuperStar]

1-0 on the Error

[reds44]

Scrappy Freel! Takes out Rollins causes a bad throw!

1-0!

[Matt700wlw]

Ryan Freel is cool.

[NJReds]

Jr. w/ the bloop single...2 for 2 today.

[Matt700wlw]

Don't look now, but Junior is 2 for 2

[MaineRed]

Junior sucks

[VR]

Freel is distancing himself from the others in the Reds MVP race.

[NJReds]

Myers has to be seething right now.

[reds44]

Junior is 2-2!

come on EE!

[RedLegSuperStar]

SR. must be lecturing Junior

[Falls City Beer]

Freel is distancing himself from the others in the Reds MVP race.

I'll say.

[NJReds]

Who signed Freel? Was it Bowden?

[TheBigLebowski]

63 pitches for Myers

[Matt700wlw]

EE is something, man....

[NJReds]

EE = clutch.

[MaineRed]

Nice job Edwin.

Someone please tell George Grande to wake up.

[Kc61]

C'mon Dunn. This is the spot to do something.

[Falls City Beer]

Who signed Freel? Was it Bowden?

Yes. Picked up after he was released by Toronto?

[Matt700wlw]

Who signed Freel? Was it Bowden?


Tim Nehring....minor league Free Agent deal (he told me so).

props for Timmy...

[reds44]

Edwin!!!

2-0!

[RedLegSuperStar]

The New Everyday Eddie does it again

[TheBigLebowski]

EE is lethal with RISP.

This kid is going to be our best 3B ever.

[NJReds]

10 game hitting streak for EE.

How was that first pitch to Dunn a strike???

[Falls City Beer]

Tim Nehring....minor league Free Agent deal (he told me so).

props for Timmy...

That's right. But Bowden was GM, right?

[Matt700wlw]

EE is lethal with RISP.

This kid is going to be our best 3B ever.


Hard to believe he's only 23

[VR]

Nice job Edwin.

Someone please tell George Grande to wake up.

amen to both

[Matt700wlw]

That's right. But Bowden was GM, right?

Yes he was.

I guess he's not total evil :D

[Falls City Beer]

Yes he was.

I guess he's not total evil :D

But it certainly sounds like it was Naehring who discovered him.

[NJReds]

Dunn pops out to LF.

[Falls City Beer]

Still, an 8 pitch AB for Dunn. Can't complain too much.

[edabbs44]

EE is lethal with RISP.

This kid is going to be our best 3B ever.
How about Charlie Hustle?

CBS Sportsline just posted this...take it FWIW.

Homer Bailey, SP CIN

News: The Reds recalled left-hander Brian Shackelford from Louisville and optioned right-hander Elizardo Ramirez to the International League affiliate.

Analysis: This could mean that Homer Bailey finally gets his chance to enter the Reds rotation. The Reds value him as one of the best pitching prospects in baseball ... one of their best pitching prospects in decades. He should be owned in all keeper leagues already, but now is the time to add him in NL-only play and in deeper mixed leagues as well.

[TheBigLebowski]

71 pitches for Myers. He'll be lucky to make it out of the 5th.

Even better is the fact that we'll be facing that overworked Philly 'pen again.

[CTA513]

Still, an 8 pitch AB for Dunn. Can't complain too much.

His pop up went all the way to the warning track.

:eek:

[NJReds]

Phillips is amazing. Nice cover of 1st base by Milton, too.

[TheBigLebowski]

How about Charlie Hustle?

CBS Sportsline just posted this...take it FWIW.

Homer Bailey, SP CIN

News: The Reds recalled left-hander Brian Shackelford from Louisville and optioned right-hander Elizardo Ramirez to the International League affiliate.

Analysis: This could mean that Homer Bailey finally gets his chance to enter the Reds rotation. The Reds value him as one of the best pitching prospects in baseball ... one of their best pitching prospects in decades. He should be owned in all keeper leagues already, but now is the time to add him in NL-only play and in deeper mixed leagues as well.

VERY interesting.

I'm one of the few who isn't in favor of this. It's too late in the season. Homer's already thrown enough baseball this year. Don't want him pitching in a pennant race and wrecking his confidence if he fails.

[reds44]

It's almost not fair with phillips out there. He gets to everything.

[NJReds]

His pop up went all the way to the warning track.

:eek:

Yeah. This park is really small. It has to be smaller than GABP.

[MaineRed]

How about Charlie Hustle?

CBS Sportsline just posted this...take it FWIW.

Homer Bailey, SP CIN

News: The Reds recalled left-hander Brian Shackelford from Louisville and optioned right-hander Elizardo Ramirez to the International League affiliate.

Analysis: This could mean that Homer Bailey finally gets his chance to enter the Reds rotation. The Reds value him as one of the best pitching prospects in baseball ... one of their best pitching prospects in decades. He should be owned in all keeper leagues already, but now is the time to add him in NL-only play and in deeper mixed leagues as well.

As you said, take it for what it is worth. This was written by some fantasy geek, not Peter Gammons.

[reds44]

How about Charlie Hustle?

CBS Sportsline just posted this...take it FWIW.

Homer Bailey, SP CIN

News: The Reds recalled left-hander Brian Shackelford from Louisville and optioned right-hander Elizardo Ramirez to the International League affiliate.

Analysis: This could mean that Homer Bailey finally gets his chance to enter the Reds rotation. The Reds value him as one of the best pitching prospects in baseball ... one of their best pitching prospects in decades. He should be owned in all keeper leagues already, but now is the time to add him in NL-only play and in deeper mixed leagues as well.
Do NOT bring him up as a starter. A reliever maybe, but he'll get hammered as a starter.

[redsandrails]

70 pitches by Myers through 3 innings... You wouldn't think he will last through 5 at this pace... The sooner we knock him out the better as the Phils bullpen is in a horrible state right now- they are just as tired if not more than our bullpen is.

[Matt700wlw]

Edwin....again. (Throw was high, from his knees....oh well).

I can get used to this.

[NJReds]

I hope they score that as a hit. Nice attempt by EE.

[RedLegSuperStar]

EE still shows his skills

[reds44]

Edwin wow.

[reds44]

I hope they score that as a hit. Nice attempt by EE.
They did.

[redsmetz]

As you said, take it for what it is worth. This was written by some fantasy geek, not Peter Gammons.

I think they ought to do drug testing on some of these people. There was an interesting thread elsewhere where Team Clark indicated Bailey still needs lots of work. Let's have him progress step by step. Getting him banged around up here, even as a reliever, would be an incredibly shortsighted waste of his potential ML talent. Patience is the order of the day.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm officially proclaiming that EE no longer needs to be replaced for defense in the late innings.

[RedsManRick]

Narron would rather that ball go in to LF late in the game.

[NJReds]

6-4-3 DP. Nice turn. Milton throws two consecutive ground balls!

[reds44]

6-4-3!!

[VR]

With Freel (twice) Phillips and Encarnacion (almost twice) we get a glimpse of what pitchers can do with peeps behind them that can cover ground.

Milton making a push to be the Reds pitching MVP during the pennant chase.

[TheBigLebowski]

DP - sweet

[RedsMan3203]

Lets get Myers out of there this inning boys..... Weeeeeeeeeeee

[CTA513]

6-4-3 DP. Nice turn. Milton throws two consecutive ground balls!

A rare double play for Milton.

:thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

Milton making a push to be the Reds pitching MVP during the pennant chase.

Whoda thunk it?

[TheBigLebowski]

Gottta jet for an hour or so...keep the positive mojo flowin'

[Kc61]

When EE was in AAA for rehab, and then when he was on the bench for RA, when everyone was complaining, he was obviously getting a crash course in throwing mechanics. He now takes his time and doesn't fire the ball unless necessary. Throws it more deliberately and easier. This is helping a lot.

[NJReds]

AFLAC trivia question...Who are the four reds players w/40+ HRs and 125+ RBI in one season.

[MaineRed]

Did you guys know that the Afflac voice is Gilbert Godfried (spelling?).

[reds44]

Whoda thunk it?
Dan'O


:evil:

[NJReds]

Nice play by Rollins. He's a smooth fielder.

[Falls City Beer]

AFLAC trivia question...Who are the four reds players w/40+ HRs and 125+ RBI in one season.

Dave Parker

George Foster

[Matt700wlw]

Dan'O


:evil:

Blind squirrel nut thing again..... :evil:

[reds44]

When EE was in AAA for rehab, and then when he was on the bench for RA, when everyone was complaining, he was obviously getting a crash course in throwing mechanics. He now takes his time and doesn't fire the ball unless necessary. Throws it more deliberately and easier. This is helping a lot.
His mechanics look the same. He is still slinging it side arm. It could be just me, but it looks like he just takes his time and throws it hard on every throw.

[Matt700wlw]

Dave Parker

George Foster


Eric? Griffey Jr (2000 maybe)? Big Klu?

Am I close?

[MaineRed]

Big Klu?

[RedFanAlways1966]

A: 4-2 win over the Cleveland Indians on June 25, 2006.

Q: When was the last time the 2006 Cincinnati REDS won a road game on a Sunday?

[NJReds]

Eric? Griffey Jr (2000 maybe)? Big Klu?

Am I close?

Frank Robinson?

(They haven't given the answer yet)

[RedFanAlways1966]

JB in 1970!

[NJReds]

AFLAC answer:
Perez
Bench
Foster
Kluszewski

[Falls City Beer]

Dave Parker

George Foster


My bad. Parker had 125 RBI in 87 but only 34 homers.

But Foster's 1977 is one of the seasons.

[reds44]

Pirates- 2
Cards- 0

Bottom 4

[MaineRed]

I think Eric Davis' career high for HR was 37.

[VR]

Cards load the bases in the 3rd, don't score.

[MaineRed]

NIIIIIIIIIICE pitch!

[NJReds]

Frank Robinson had 39 and 136; 37 & 134; 36 & 125 (while a Red)

[NJReds]

Greg Vaughn had 45 & 118.

[Matt700wlw]

Come on, Milty....

[GullyFoyle]

Talking about Klu on the Philly broadcast...

How scarry he was to pitch to...

How intemidating he was at the plate, but a great guy...

[RedFanAlways1966]

Coming into today... Milton with 16 walks in 6 starts since the All-Star Break.

Milton had 15 walks in July... the most by a REDS starter in a single month this year.

[VR]

Pretty good pitch. Broken back flare to score Howard.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds pitchers give up hits on pitchers counts and Reds hitters make outs in hitters counts(3-0, 3-1).

[Matt700wlw]

Nice!!

[MaineRed]

We knew the Phillies would get on the board.

Nice DP ball.

Who says Milton can't get grounders?

[GullyFoyle]

Very Nice DP...

[reds44]

1-6-3!

[RedFanAlways1966]

What more could we ask for... flyball pitcher gets a 1-6-3 DP with 1 out and men on the corners. Nice! :D

[VR]

Coming into today... Milton with 16 walks in 6 starts since the All-Star Break.

Milton had 15 walks in July... the most by a REDS starter in a single month this year.

Walk rate is up....HR rate is down. Sign me up :thumbup:

He's given up 1 dinger in his last 5 starts (including today)

His ERA for August just jumped up to 2.11 (3rd start)

[MaineRed]

Milton has actually been doing a good job for the Reds this year. He's given us a lot of chances to win.

[NDRed]

VERY interesting.

I'm one of the few who isn't in favor of this. It's too late in the season. Homer's already thrown enough baseball this year. Don't want him pitching in a pennant race and wrecking his confidence if he fails.

I know this is the common sentiment, especially in regard to a young pitchers confidence, however, I don't buy it. I think your best 25 players should be at the major league level. Now if Homer is not one of the best 10-12 pitchers the Reds have that's fine. But if he is one of the best then he should be at this level.

Confidence comes and goes, pitchers are succesful and get hammered, the good ones bounce back. If a young pitcher gets hammered and it destroys his career I would guess it is more a matter of ability than confidence.

BTW, how old and how much minor league experience did Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux have when they were pitching for those awful Braves teams? I know they put up some awful numbers and recovered quite nicely.

[NJReds]

Milton Ks
Freel Ks

[NJReds]

Hatte flies out to RF.

2-1 Reds after 4.5

[MaineRed]

Maddux came up with the Cubs IIRC.

[VR]

I know this is the common sentiment, especially in regard to a young pitchers confidence, however, I don't buy it. I think your best 25 players should be at the major league level. Now if Homer is not one of the best 10-12 pitchers the Reds have that's fine. But if he is one of the best then he should be at this level.

Confidence comes and goes, pitchers are succesful and get hammered, the good ones bounce back. If a young pitcher gets hammered and it destroys his career I would guess it is more a matter of ability than confidence.

BTW, how old and how much minor league experience did Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux have when they were pitching for those awful Braves teams? I know they put up some awful numbers and recovered quite nicely.

All of them between 400-500 MiLB innings.

[MaineRed]

Glave was drafted when he was 18 and then spent 4 years in the minors.

Rookie ball, then A, AA and AAA. He made at least 22 starts at each level. If you want to use Glavine's timeline, Homer spends at least next year in AAA.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/G/tom-glavine.shtml

[VR]

Milty needs a quick inning here. 10 pitch-ish

[OnBaseMachine]

Homer Bailey today: 2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K

[Matt700wlw]

Homer update

2ip, 1bb, 0h, 6 strikeouts.

EDIT: OBM beat me to it :)

[NJReds]

Maddux came up with the Cubs IIRC.

When Maddux was 20, he started the season in AA; was promoted to AAA and made his debut with the Cubs during the same season. Went 2-4 w/5.24 ERA.

He started the next season in AAA, was promoted to the big club and the rest is history.

[RedsManRick]

Maddux at 20 w/ Cubs
Smoltz at 21
Glavine at 21
Steve Avery at 21 as well

Todd Van Poppel made his (real) debut at 21

It's not so much age as being developmentally ready. By all accounts, his only major league pitch right now is his fastball. He can't control his breaking stuff. 1 pitch pitchers don't tend to fare very well in the majors -- esepecially as starters. I'd be nervous about bringing him out of the pen. I'd be terrified to see him as a starter.

[VR]

Ball two looked eerily like strike three

[Matt700wlw]

1,2,3 for Milty

[Kc61]

This isn't the time to experiment with Bailey in the major leagues. Let him start next year at AAA, if he is doing well bring him up. He just doesn't have enough experience, the games are too crucial. Also, I'd like them to preserve his right arm by giving him only a few more AA outings.

[NJReds]

Nunez K
Myers K
Rollins GO to Milton.

Nice inning for Eric. 83 pitches through 5.

[NDRed]

BTW, how old and how much minor league experience did Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux have when they were pitching for those awful Braves teams? I know they put up some awful numbers and recovered quite nicely.


To answer my own question:


GLAVINE
SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
1987 Atl 9 9 0 0 50.2 55 34 31 5 33 20 2 4 0 0 -- 5.51
1988 Atl 34 34 1 0 195.1 201 111 99 12 63 84 7 17 0 0 -- 4.56
1989 Atl 29 29 6 4 186.0 172 88 76 20 40 90 14 8 0 0 -- 3.68
1990 Atl 33 33 1 0 214.1 232 111 102 18 78 129 10 12 0 0 -- 4.28



He was 21 when he debuted, 2 1/2 years in the minors


SMOLTZ
SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
1988 Atl 12 12 0 0 64.0 74 40 39 10 33 37 2 7 0 0 -- 5.48
1989 Atl 29 29 5 0 208.0 160 79 68 15 72 168 12 11 0 0 -- 2.94
1990 Atl 34 34 6 2 231.1 206 109 99 20 90 170 14 11 0 0 -- 3.85
1991 Atl 36 36 5 0 229.2 206 101 97 16 77 148 14 13 0 0 -- 3.80



Smoltz was also 21 about the same minor league experience

MADDUX
SEASON TEAM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA
1986 ChC 6 5 1 0 31.0 44 20 19 3 11 20 2 4 0 0 -- 5.52
1987 ChC 30 27 1 0 155.2 181 111 97 17 74 101 6 14 0 0 -- 5.61
1988 ChC 34 34 9 3 249.0 230 97 88 13 81 140 18 8 0 0 -- 3.18
1989 ChC 35 35 7 1 238.1 222 90 78 13 82 135 19 12 0 0 -- 2.95


Maddux was 20 years old when he debuted, a year and a half in the minors

[Falls City Beer]

I'm all in favor of bringing Homer up. But just a couple of concerns: I'd like to see him held to a strict 90 pitch count if brought up. Jerry Narron seemingly has zero respect for the concept of pitch counts; because of this I worry that he'll throw several high pitch-count games late in a season that should by all rights be about over for him.

I think the better idea is to use him as a first line of defense out of the bullpen for the rest of the season.