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BCubb2003
08-18-2006, 10:01 PM
I think we're magnifying the effects of any move Narron can make. We're blasting him for putting in the wrong unreliable reliever and pinch-hitting the wrong middling hitter. We have the advantage in that the performance of whatever choice we would make remains unknown.

I type this just as the guy we wanted Narron to put in gives up a homer.

WVRedsFan
08-18-2006, 10:01 PM
Someone tell the Buccos that they don't need to score anymore runs. "Uncle."

Bray is young, but looks like Rick White Lite.

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
Time to laugh.

This one is numbing.

BoydsOfSummer
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
Jack Freakin Wilson....cripes

dsmith421
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
I'm actually driving 4 hours round trip to watch this team tomorrow....:cry:

I'm going to SF next weekend. I might just end up eating the tickets and enjoying the nightlife.

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
This lineup has a lot of board support and looks good.
with the current roster it is as good as they can do,

BUT it is highly susceptible to RH pitching and that is no secret.

Red in Chicago
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
i had tickets for tonights game...i'm so glad i didn't make the trip...it just keeps getting worse..

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
Jack Wilson (.697 OPS) homers.


The good news is that it doesn't matter.

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2006, 10:02 PM
But the results have been better with the Dunn bats 2nd version, IMO.

Shhh...I said the same thing last week and everyone jumped all over me.

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:03 PM
I'm going to SF next weekend. I might just end up eating the tickets and enjoying the nightlife.

Just a reminder...don't go to the Castro district:laugh:

Kc61
08-18-2006, 10:04 PM
Last 7 days, some batting averages: Dunn .125; Hatt .154; Freel .200. These are your three key OBP guys.

By the way, there is no way Bray should still be out there now. Guy was a key set up man. Why use him up with all these innings tonight when down all these runs.

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:04 PM
Shhh...I said the same thing last week and everyone jumped all over me.

Ok..quietly...but it does give Dunn an extra AB every game

OnBaseMachine
08-18-2006, 10:05 PM
According to ESPN.com, Bray has given up 29 baserunners in 15.1 innings. Wow.

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:06 PM
Last 7 days, some batting averages: Dunn .125; Hatt .154; Freel .200. These are your three key OBP guys.

By the way, there is no way Bray should still be out there now. Guy was a key set up man. Why use him up with all these innings tonight when down all these runs.

Like I said...no need to waste the bullpen.

Michalak could still be out there getting shelled.

LaRussa left Marquis in for 10 ER a couple of weeks ago. Sometimes you have to capitulate.

oregonred
08-18-2006, 10:06 PM
Last 7 days, some batting averages: Dunn .125; Hatt .154; Freel .200. These are your three key OBP guys.

By the way, there is no way Bray should still be out there now. Guy was a key set up man. Why use him up with all these innings tonight when down all these runs.

All good points. Make sure Bray is burned up fo the whole weekend I guess...

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:06 PM
Last 7 days, some batting averages: Dunn .125; Hatt .154; Freel .200. These are your three key OBP guys.

By the way, there is no way Bray should still be out there now. Guy was a key set up man. Why use him up with all these innings tonight when down all these runs.

Ok Narron...pitch Franklin when it counts, Bray, and Coffey to mop up...I get it.....:(

BoydsOfSummer
08-18-2006, 10:07 PM
According to ESPN.com, Bray has given up 29 baserunners in 15.1 innings. Wow.

I'd like to see a huge reversal in that area. Thank you.:explode:

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:07 PM
you know what, I'm betting a RH reliever might have fared a little better, but the Reds are at least one short at moment.

But what do I know

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:07 PM
According to ESPN.com, Bray has given up 29 baserunners in 15.1 innings. Wow.

Sounds like a good trade to me:cry:

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:08 PM
you know what, I'm betting a RH reliever might have fared a little better, but the Reds are at least one short at moment.

But what do I know


Pirates

vs. LHP .785 OPS
vs. RHP .722 OPS

now you know.

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:08 PM
you know what, I'm betting a RH reliever might have fared a little better, but the Reds are at least one short at moment.

But what do I know

I thought the Bucks were 7-33 this year against leftys...count that 8-33

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:10 PM
According to ESPN.com, Bray has given up 29 baserunners in 15.1 innings. Wow.haven't you heard, he's gonna be a star.:thumbup:

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:11 PM
Boy FCB is missing a great game tonight...:laugh:

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:11 PM
Bengals 34
Bills 17

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:11 PM
I thought the Bucks were 7-33 this year against leftys...count that 8-3317-32 not 7

of course they are also well below .500 against RHP, it happens when your 30 games under.

And yes George Grande actually did say the Tracy should be a Manager of the Year candidate

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:11 PM
Sanchez entered the game hitting .457 vs. LHP :eek:

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:12 PM
17-32 not 7

I stand corrected...:thumbup:

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:14 PM
Sanchez entered the game hitting .457 vs. LHP :eek:

He leads all of MLB in that category. He also leads the league in AVG. Sanchez and Bray are as good 3,4 hitters as there are in baseball...

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:14 PM
Snell: First two innings: 47 pitches
Next four innings: 46 pitches.

REDS hacking.

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:16 PM
good spot for a LOOGY

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:18 PM
good spot for a LOOGY

Use em all up tonight. Leave Coffey and Weathers out of this one please.

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:19 PM
someone has pointed out about all the slumping hitters. Guys who might have helped have a different address.

2001MUgrad
08-18-2006, 10:21 PM
Last 7 days, some batting averages: Dunn .125; Hatt .154; Freel .200. These are your three key OBP guys.

By the way, there is no way Bray should still be out there now. Guy was a key set up man. Why use him up with all these innings tonight when down all these runs.

Its tough. Phillips has seemed to hit a mark where he is a .250 batter that doesn't get on base with no power here lately. The Reds really badly need a serviceable OF to give Freel, Dunn, and Griffey days off from time to time. Freel has been horrible lately. I have no doubt that Dunn will work out of his slump, but a day off wouldn't hurt either.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2006, 10:22 PM
Majewski and Bray since the trade:

25.2 IP
45 H
9 BB
54 baserunners
2.10 WHIP

Uhh, that's not good.

But at least they're young, right?

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:23 PM
IThe Reds really badly need a serviceable OF to give Freel, Dunn, and Griffey days off from time to time.wow, they traded one a way for nothing of help in return

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:23 PM
. The Reds really badly need a serviceable OF to give Freel, Dunn, and Griffey days off from time to time. Freel has been horrible lately. I have no doubt that Dunn will work out of his slump, but a day off wouldn't hurt either.


Where have you gone Chris Denorfia....hey,hey,hey...

BuckeyeRedleg
08-18-2006, 10:24 PM
According to ESPN.com, Bray has given up 29 baserunners in 15.1 innings. Wow.

30 now in 16.1

Cortisone boy 24 in 9.1.

What additions.

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:25 PM
Where have you gone Chris Denorfia....hey,hey,hey...

former Rookie of the year....Hollingsworth:laugh:

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:25 PM
30 now in 16.1

Cortisone boy 21 in 9.1.

What additions.yeah, but those Kearns and Lopez guys were worthless.

WVRedsFan
08-18-2006, 10:25 PM
Where have you gone Chris Denorfia....hey,hey,hey...

Denorfia was of no help. He was and is a AAAA player at best with a weak bat and was prone to fielding mistakes. And he's like 26 years old. The Reds need a fourth major league outfielder. Of course they had one, but he plays in Washington now...

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:26 PM
Reds must have some hot dates lined up for tonight

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:26 PM
The Reds have not "called one in" for some time now...I guess it's time:thumbup:

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:27 PM
Bengals 37
Bills 17

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:28 PM
Denorfia was of no help. He was and is a AAAA player at best with a weak bat and was prone to fielding mistakes. And he's like 26 years old. The Reds need a fourth major league outfielder. Of course they had one, but he plays in Washington now...

Large sample size to come to that conclusion.

But anyway, Chris Denorfia fits perfectly into that song...

Clubbing Chris has left and gone away...hey, hey, hey...

WVRedsFan
08-18-2006, 10:28 PM
Bengals 37
Bills 17

Never heard of baseball teams the Bengals and Bills...

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:29 PM
Never heard of baseball teams the Bengals and Bills...

They're new :D

WVRedsFan
08-18-2006, 10:30 PM
Large sample size to come to that conclusion.

But anyway, Chris Denorfia fits perfectly into that song...

Clubbing Chris has left and gone away...hey, hey, hey...

Where have you gone Chris Denorfia?
A weeping reds nation cries for you
oo-oo-oo
oo-oo-oo

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:30 PM
They're new :D

And they can rack up runs....

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:31 PM
that Coffey guy must not be too tired. He probably won't be available to pitch if they really need him tomorrow.

We have reached a new level of stupidty

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:32 PM
Coffey in...this is stupid.

WVRedsFan
08-18-2006, 10:33 PM
Coffey in...this is stupid.

I quit. Enough. See you guys tomorrow. It's tough enough living with a Pittsburgher to put up with this...

BCubb2003
08-18-2006, 10:33 PM
Where have you gone Chris Denorfia?
A weeping reds nation cries for you
oo-oo-oo
oo-oo-oo

Look around you all you see are sympathetic eyes,
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home.

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:36 PM
Bengals 44
Bills 17

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:36 PM
:d

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:39 PM
Sanchez 4 for 5 tonight.
With 8 more games against the REDS to go...I'd say NL Batting Champ.

BCubb2003
08-18-2006, 10:39 PM
where have all the Narron defenders gone? They must be found.

I might.

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:42 PM
:ede:

:jump:

That was a Dunn type of meaningless HR :D

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:42 PM
that was meaningless

oneupper
08-18-2006, 10:43 PM
that was meaningless

Line score looking better.

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:44 PM
Line score looking better.

yep...now we got 5 hits..

MWM
08-18-2006, 10:51 PM
where have all the Narron defenders gone? They must be found.

Come on, dude. Is this really necessary? :confused:

flyer85
08-18-2006, 10:53 PM
way to go pen, too bad it doesn't matter

oregonred
08-18-2006, 10:55 PM
30 now in 16.1

Cortisone boy 24 in 9.1.

What additions.

Of course Bray just turned 23 and is learning to pitch in the bigs, then he had a 1.42 ERA and a .98 WHIP in July. Then he was used 16 out of 29 days since joining the Reds and had a couple of short outings where he allowed 3 runners over the course an inning .

He's had a rough go in August mostly at the end of last week at the height of his overuse (although pretty good his last two outings vs. Philly/Pitt).

But I forgot about the Redszone memo that says he's junk and all...

I'm willing to give someone who tossed 1.5 seasons of sub .670 OPS a little more than a 9IP of sample size when he might be recovering from some shoulder soreness, but I'm funny like that ;)

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:55 PM
How would you like to be Nady? Mets to the Bucks...wow...New York City to Pittsburgh...:laugh:

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:57 PM
end this thing...please

oregonred
08-18-2006, 10:58 PM
At least we timed our Michalak throw away game with an offensive siesta.

Nice way to give the home fans a memorable Friday night game in late August...

Once again Milton needs to come up big tomorrow. Seems he's been in that role a lot where the team's been skidding before his turn.

deltachi8
08-18-2006, 10:59 PM
sorry guys, my fault..no tequila tonight...my bad

ill get the limes ready for tomorrow

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 10:59 PM
:valentin:

:jump:

Why?

George Foster
08-18-2006, 10:59 PM
you have to start Havey until he slumps...he's really hitting...

BrooklynRedz
08-18-2006, 11:00 PM
How would you like to be Nady? Mets to the Bucks...wow...New York City to Pittsburgh...:laugh:

Are you kidding me? I'd love it! Another 8 shots at the Reds' staff...sounds like Christmas in August.

George Foster
08-18-2006, 11:00 PM
I bet Clayton and LaRue start tomorrow...any takers

Joseph
08-18-2006, 11:02 PM
I bet Clayton and LaRue start tomorrow...any takers

The wife sure hopes so on the latter.

oneupper
08-18-2006, 11:02 PM
I bet Clayton and LaRue start tomorrow...any takers

Clayton can hit LH. Larue also. Don't see the problem.

Milton vs. lefty killing Pirates... That's a problem.

George Foster
08-18-2006, 11:02 PM
stop this crap..I want to watch a movie....:laugh:

George Foster
08-18-2006, 11:03 PM
Clayton can hit LH. Larue also. Don't see the problem.

Milton vs. lefty killing Pirates... That's a problem.

they are 15 games under .500 against left handed starters

George Foster
08-18-2006, 11:04 PM
Your great at lead-off Freel...why to get on base the last 4 games...

oneupper
08-18-2006, 11:05 PM
they are 15 games under .500 against left handed starters

perhaps

but...

OPS vs. LH .785
OPS vs. RH .722

PLUs...no Burnitz or Casey.

oregonred
08-18-2006, 11:07 PM
I bet Clayton and LaRue start tomorrow...any takers

Ironic that when we get consistent lineups that most seem to like the team puts up a stretch of 2-2-7-1 over the last four days

Tomorrow is probably a good night to mix it up a bit.

oregonred
08-18-2006, 11:08 PM
Your great at lead-off Freel...why to get on base the last 4 games...

Tough crowd here at RZ. Farney is probably offended...

Matt700wlw
08-18-2006, 11:11 PM
This game isn't even worth getting worked up over. Not worth the energy

oneupper
08-18-2006, 11:13 PM
Freel is streaky in extreme.
When he's hot he's on fire. When he's cold, he can't buy a hit.

It would drive any man to drink...(oops).

REDREAD
08-18-2006, 11:44 PM
What happened to Ryan Franklin being the long relief man?

:evil:

Narron must be saving Franklin for crucial situations.

Good lord, it's insane to waste Bray in this game.

MWM
08-18-2006, 11:53 PM
Waste Bray? Have seen his line?

RedLegSuperStar
08-18-2006, 11:53 PM
I'm guessing the Rotation is going to be:

Harang
Arroyo
Milton
Lohse
Franklin

BCubb2003
08-19-2006, 12:04 AM
Waste Bray? Have seen his line?

Exactly.

jnwohio
08-19-2006, 12:15 AM
I'm guessing the Rotation is going to be:

Harang
Arroyo
Milton
Lohse
Franklin

This is very possible and might be the best rotation the Reds can field for the rest of the year.

On the other hand, Narron's comment that he left Franklin in to pitch the 9th in StLouis on Thurs. because he liked the match up of Franklin vs. Pujols and Rolen could be an indication he is thinking about using Franklin at the end of games as the alternative to Guardado on those days when Eddie is not up to snuff.

The way Narron pitched the pen tonite (Friday) in a lost cause certainly makes it look like Stormy and Franklin would be the guys to get him to Eddie G. tomorrow.

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 12:45 AM
On the other hand, Narron's comment that he left Franklin in to pitch the 9th in StLouis on Thurs. because he liked the match up of Franklin vs. Pujols and Rolen could be an indication he is thinking about using Franklin at the end of games as the alternative to Guardado on those days when Eddie is not up to snuff.

Or, conversely, an indication that he has gone completely insane.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 01:28 AM
Someone owes me a six-pack.

Snell's a very good pitcher (very Harang-esque). He's young and only getting better.

Michalak is, well, 35.

You're going to lose games like this 9 times out of 10.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 01:39 AM
Maholm's going to eat the Reds alive tomorrow.

Also, I'd like to point out that the Bucs' offense is tons better than it was at the beginning of the season.

Crash Davis
08-19-2006, 01:54 AM
Someone owes me a six-pack.

:wave: :drink:

reds44
08-19-2006, 02:36 AM
Who didn't see Michalak getting lit up coming?

Giving him another start was a stupid move by Krvisky. Hopefully he is on a bus to Louisville tomorrow.

RedLegSuperStar
08-19-2006, 02:37 AM
This is very possible and might be the best rotation the Reds can field for the rest of the year.

On the other hand, Narron's comment that he left Franklin in to pitch the 9th in StLouis on Thurs. because he liked the match up of Franklin vs. Pujols and Rolen could be an indication he is thinking about using Franklin at the end of games as the alternative to Guardado on those days when Eddie is not up to snuff.

The way Narron pitched the pen tonite (Friday) in a lost cause certainly makes it look like Stormy and Franklin would be the guys to get him to Eddie G. tomorrow.

I think the 5th starter will be a commitee of players.. Franklin would be my choice next then Dumatrait.. then maybe Belisle. but I could see using Matt in the roll you've selected Franklin because last year he was talked about a possible closer of the future.

RedLegSuperStar
08-19-2006, 02:46 AM
Who didn't see Michalak getting lit up coming?

Giving him another start was a stupid move by Krvisky. Hopefully he is on a bus to Louisville tomorrow.

We could use him in the pen.. I'm telling you right now we have some injured bully guys in Schoeneweis, Guardado, and Chromier..

RedLegSuperStar
08-19-2006, 02:47 AM
By the way we need to thank the Pads for beating Arizona keeping us a top the Wild Card

MWM
08-19-2006, 12:34 PM
Who didn't see Michalak getting lit up coming?

Giving him another start was a stupid move by Krvisky. Hopefully he is on a bus to Louisville tomorrow.

I agree that most people probably knew he was most likely going to get lit up. Even Krivsky and Narron probably thought so. But what were their options? Someone had to go take the mound. I just don't know who else that would be who WOULDN'T most likely get lit up.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 12:36 PM
I agree that most people probably knew he was most likely going to get lit up. Even Krivsky and Narron probably thought so. But what were their options? Someone had to go take the mound. I just don't know who else that would be who WOULDN'T most likely get lit up.

Well, they put themselves in the situation that warranted a Michalak start. So they have no one to blame but themselves.

MWM
08-19-2006, 12:50 PM
Well, they put themselves in the situation that warranted a Michalak start. So they have no one to blame but themselves.

I don't disagree with that, and not addressing the #5 starter at the deadline was a big mistake by Krivsky, IMO, and could wind up being what keeps them out of the playoffs. But once Friday rolled around, I'm not sure what other option they had. I have totally not followed the minors this year, so I don't know if there's anyone down there capable of giving up less than 5 runs in 5 or 6 innings.

redsmetz
08-19-2006, 01:58 PM
I agree that most people probably knew he was most likely going to get lit up. Even Krivsky and Narron probably thought so. But what were their options? Someone had to go take the mound. I just don't know who else that would be who WOULDN'T most likely get lit up.

At the game, he started out of the gate looking great. Not overpowering stuff, but he was hitting his spots and getting pitches over and in for strikes. I was worried going in because the plate umpire was the same guy who had the plate that Friday in Milwaukee. He didn't seem as bad last night as he did that night (and I was at both games). The pitch that I thought was devestating for Michaelek was on the batter who hit the 3 run homer. The pitcher before that I thought was in for a strike and that the batter went around. He gets that call, innings over. Unfortunately, both in Milwaukee and last night, that ump could not consistently call that corner of the plate (down and in on lefties, low and away on righties- that was what got Narron tossed two weeks ago)

Once the Pirates were patient with Michalek and the ump wasn't giving him the corners, particularly the low right side of the plate, he was toast. You can't make it as a junk pitcher if you can't get strikes called for you.

BTW, someone said the first homer was a curveball, but the speed check at the stadium registered it at 94 MPH, the highest I saw all night. Of course, it left at about 125 MPH to dead center.

I didn't feel like this ump cost us this game, but he wasn't the guy I would have liked behind the plate for a pitcher like Michalek.

redsmetz
08-19-2006, 02:03 PM
Oh, one last thing. Huge mental lapse on Michalek's part throwing over to the runner at first. With the sacks jammed, I just didn't get and it cost us dearly.

reds44
08-19-2006, 03:16 PM
I agree that most people probably knew he was most likely going to get lit up. Even Krivsky and Narron probably thought so. But what were their options? Someone had to go take the mound. I just don't know who else that would be who WOULDN'T most likely get lit up.
Everybody knew he was going to get lit up, but if you bring up somebody from the minors maybe they will work out. Since we traded Germano and Elizardo is probably done for the year, it is getting to the point where you either have to call up Homer or go to a 4 man rotation. There aren't many bullets left.

RedLegSuperStar
08-19-2006, 03:48 PM
Everybody knew he was going to get lit up, but if you bring up somebody from the minors maybe they will work out. Since we traded Germano and Elizardo is probably done for the year, it is getting to the point where you either have to call up Homer or go to a 4 man rotation. There aren't many bullets left.

Why not.. If we have playoff aspirations we need to see what we got with our best prospect. If we are going to give the ball to Michalak or have Franklin take a start here or there (hasn't started all year). I think we would be better off handing the ball to Bailey. I wasn't on the Homer bandwagon when it started.. but now with our hopes dwendling even though we still have the Wild Card lead. Mind you we are only 2 games over .500 we might just need to see what we got in Homer to make it to the end of the season.

PuffyPig
08-19-2006, 07:44 PM
Maholm's going to eat the Reds alive tomorrow.



Whatever he's feeding them , they sure are gobbling it up.:laugh:

Cedric
08-19-2006, 07:44 PM
Whatever he's feeding them , they sure are gobbling it up.:laugh:

Just dominating.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:45 PM
Whatever he's feeding them , they sure are gobbling it up.:laugh:

Miracles occur. We live in a miraculous world. But you don't get rich on miracles.

Cedric
08-19-2006, 07:47 PM
Miracles occur. We live in a miraculous world. But you don't get rich on miracles.

Maholm had walked 65 batters and given up 167 hits in 141 innings. You were the one looking for a miracle with that guess.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:49 PM
Maholm had walked 65 batters and given up 167 hits in 141 innings. You were the one looking for a miracle with that guess.

Reds usually kill soft-tossing lefties. They have a long and illustrious history doing that.

MaineRed
08-19-2006, 07:56 PM
Nice prediction!

:laugh:

Ltlabner
08-19-2006, 11:40 PM
Maholm's going to eat the Reds alive tomorrow.

Also, I'd like to point out that the Bucs' offense is tons better than it was at the beginning of the season.


Far be it from me to dredge up a prediction post just to poke fun at it....:evil:

But you are right FCB, they didn't give up and they put some runs on the board tonight. They are not the also-ran team of the 1st half of the season. They aren't WS bound by any strech, but we shouldn't take them for granted either. And we have 4 more games with them yet this year (I think) so we don't want them to be spoilers.