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reds44
08-19-2006, 06:10 PM
Jose Bautista CF Season .248 13 33
Jack Wilson SS Season .273 8 32
Freddy Sanchez 3B Season .351 5 64
Jason Bay LF Season .292 25 81
Xavier Nady RF Season .276 15 47
Ronny Paulino C Season .311 6 38
Jose Hernandez 1B Season .267 2 12
Jose Castillo 2B Season .272 14 56
Paul Maholm P Season .140 0 2




Ryan Freel RF Season .284 7 24
Royce Clayton SS Season .263 2 35
Ken Griffey Jr. CF Season .249 25 66
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .296 14 60
Adam Dunn LF Season .249 36 82
Rich Aurilia 1B Season .278 17 46
David Ross C Season .270 14 35
Brandon Phillips 2B Season .286 11 57
Eric Milton P Season .214 0 3

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 06:11 PM
I have greatly underestimated Narron's ignorance to this point.

vaticanplum
08-19-2006, 06:13 PM
:laugh:

I'm not usually one to criticize the lineup (when I like it, they lose, so I keep my mouth shut), but cripes. I've got to wonder what Dunn, Aurilia, Ross and even EdE think about this.

flyer85
08-19-2006, 06:15 PM
and Phillips 8th.

It is amazing how Narron has the ability to have people doing :dunno: day after day.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 06:15 PM
I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the Pirates have made real strides in the offense department this season. They've got three guys in the middle of their lineup who can hurt you; when's the last time that's happened on a Bucs' squad?

Red in Chicago
08-19-2006, 06:18 PM
i really don't like royce in the two spot...no problem with hattie getting the day off...he's been pretty cold lately...

flyer85
08-19-2006, 06:19 PM
I'm not being sarcastic when I say that the Pirates have made real strides in the offense department this season. They've got three guys in the middle of their lineup who can hurt you; when's the last time that's happened on a Bucs' squad?a lack of patience in drawing walks is probably their main shortcoming and its become a Reds issue as well.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 06:24 PM
a lack of patience in drawing walks is probably their main shortcoming and its become a Reds issue as well.

Freddie Sanchez is a right-handed Sean Casey this season--BA driven OB, but he's certainly doing it well: .388 OBP; Bay's the total package; Nady's got some decent pop; Paulino and Bautista are making decent contributions. They're not there just yet, but they're an object lesson for the notion that you can make real strides over the course of the season by dumping fusty vets for good young talent.

oneupper
08-19-2006, 06:47 PM
Royce is a hacker...his P/PA is the lowest among today's starters.

Red in Chicago
08-19-2006, 07:09 PM
i only took a quick look, but i've got milton at 2-2, 3.65 era, 1.21 whip, over his last five starts...if he can keep this up, we should be able to pick up a game tonight...

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:11 PM
1st pitch called strike. w00t

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:12 PM
And... HE GONE!

Red in Chicago
08-19-2006, 07:14 PM
looks like no game on directv tonight...sigh

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:14 PM
Wilson grounds out to Phillips at 2nd.

2 down.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:14 PM
looks like no game on directv tonight...sigh

Its on 638 for me.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:15 PM
Sanchez lines a base hit into right field.

1 on, 2 down. Jason Bay up.

Red in Chicago
08-19-2006, 07:16 PM
yeah, it shows that it's suppose to be on that channel for me as well, but nothing is coming up...what city are you from?

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:17 PM
yeah, it shows that it's suppose to be on that channel for me as well, but nothing is coming up...what city are you from?

I'm in Columbus so i'm getting the Fox Sports Cincinnati Feed.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:17 PM
Bay flys out to the track in right center.

Reds coming up.

PuffyPig
08-19-2006, 07:20 PM
I wonder if the reason that Clayton is hitting 2nd (and in the lineup) is due to the fact he's hitting .343 (.395 .441 .836) vs. LH pitchers this year?

Which is better than Phillips and Hatteberg.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:20 PM
Freel runs out an infield single.

More action.... Freel lines one to Wilson at Short... Ball bounce up and hits him in the chest and bounces away... Wilson picks it up and throws and Freel is SAFE.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:22 PM
The only thing I like about Clayton is the socks..

Wish Dunner would wear his socks like Clayton.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:23 PM
Clayton hits a line drive into the left field.

JR coming up.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:24 PM
Freel and Clayton both steal their bases.

Freel to 3rd, Clayton to 2nd.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:25 PM
JR strikes out swinging....


Edwin up.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:26 PM
Clayton hits a line drive into the left field.

JR coming up.


ha ha.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:27 PM
ha ha.

Yes... I don't always watch what I type... :bang:

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:28 PM
How good is Eddie?

How good??

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:28 PM
Edwin works the count full....

A soft line drive into right field... Scores 2 runs... and Eddie ends up on 2nd base.

Dunner coming to the plate.

reds44
08-19-2006, 07:28 PM
Edwin is good.

2-0

SirFelixCat
08-19-2006, 07:29 PM
Random note: I just found the tape recording that I made while doing the interivews with EdE. I'm going to cherish that tape for a long time me thinks :thumbup:

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:30 PM
Yes... I don't always watch what I type... :bang:

not laughing at you. just that clayton got a hit. I didn't think it was possible the way some folks carry on. (not that I want him starting or batting second)

ANYWAY, go reds. good start. wish it was on TV.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:30 PM
How good is Eddie?

How good??

Needs to work on his D. :D :confused: :cool:

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:31 PM
The count goes full on Dunn.....

And draws the walk on the next pitch.

Dunn on 1st, Eddie on 2nd and Aurrila at the plate.

Ross on deck.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:31 PM
Rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reds44
08-19-2006, 07:32 PM
Richie!!!!

4-0!

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:32 PM
me likey.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:32 PM
Aurilla hits one off the wall in left and Eddie and Dunn score... Rich comes to a stop on 2nd base.

Reds 4, Pitt 0

Ross coming up, Philips on deck.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:34 PM
Ross!!!!!!!!

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:34 PM
Ross lines one into left field...

Richy scores... Ross goes to 2nd base on the throw to the plate...


Reds 5, Pitt 0

Phillips up, Milton on deck.

reds44
08-19-2006, 07:34 PM
Ross!

5-0!

and the beat goes on.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:34 PM
5-0 reds on Ross' hit.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:35 PM
It's almost like Maholm pitches for the Reds.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:35 PM
Phillips could end Maholm's night right here.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:35 PM
oh. and the cards lost today.

reds44
08-19-2006, 07:37 PM
Brandon!!!!

6-0!

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:37 PM
oh. and the cards lost today.

And yet the Reds are still four games back. Mystifying team this one.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:37 PM
Phillips down early 0-2.

Phillips lines one into left field...

Reds 6 and Pitt 0

Milton up, Freel on deck.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:37 PM
This is turning into a thumping...

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 07:37 PM
Man, oh man... starting this Clayton guy and batting him 2nd seems to have had a positive effect on this team!

Brandon Phillips with another run scoring single. 6-0! I blame Clayton for this offensive explosion!

;)

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
A wild pitch and Phillips moves to 2nd base.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Man, oh man... starting this Clayton guy and batting him 2nd seems to have had a positive effect on this team!

Brandon Phillips with another run scoring single. 6-0! I blame Clayton for this offensive explosion!

;)

I choose Freel. He seems tired.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
And yet the Reds are still four games back. Mystifying team this one.


not really. they just have lousy pitching.

The cards lineup ain't that great though. the Reds may still catch them.

reds44
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Milty!!!!

:lol:

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Milton gets a hit!


The never ending inning continues :laugh:

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Milton singles! 1st & 3rd w/ 1-out. HOLY!

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:38 PM
Milton singles into left field... and Phillips moves up to 3rd base.

Freel is up (again) and Clayton is on deck.

Phillips on 3rd, Milton on 1st.

TeamCasey
08-19-2006, 07:39 PM
I don't think I can believe this?!

reds44
08-19-2006, 07:39 PM
ugh

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:39 PM
Freel grounds into a double play.

Inning Over...

Reds 6 - Pitt 0

Cedric
08-19-2006, 07:40 PM
Now that's an inning.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:40 PM
actually the Reds are only 3 games back. 2.5 if they hold on tonight.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:41 PM
I choose Freel. He seems tired.

it's almost like you're omnicient. :)

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 07:41 PM
Wasn't that fun? Been awhile since we have seen an inning like that.. with the REDS batting!

Score more! :)

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:42 PM
it's almost like you're omnicient. :)

Yep. That single to start it hurt.

One thing you're right about however is that the Reds are only 3 games back. Good catch.

cumberlandreds
08-19-2006, 07:42 PM
Figures this type of game isn't on TV at least for me. I'm glad they are off to a good start. Really need this one.

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 07:44 PM
Okay I was on the phone... Here is what happend.

Paulino grounded out to shortstop.
Nady grounded out to shortstop.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:45 PM
Marty notes that Krivsky was in Louisville, and watched Gosling and Mays pitch winning ballgames...

Let's hope that's all he was doing.....

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 07:46 PM
Figures this type of game isn't on TV at least for me. I'm glad they are off to a good start. Really need this one.

I missed the top of the first. Didn't show it on TV per my schedule. Right before the REDS came to bat in the bottom of the first... I was lucky enough to start flipping channels and saw Freel at the plate when on FoxSportsOhio. I was stunned, but happy that I stumbled upon it!

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:46 PM
Marty notes that Krivsky was in Louisville, and watched Gosling and Mays pitch winning ballgames...

Let's hope that's all he was doing.....

Like Bowden with Donnie Sadlers and Michael Colemans, so too Wayne with his pitching ciphers.

Falls City Beer
08-19-2006, 07:48 PM
Have the Reds ever retired Jose Hernandez?

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 07:49 PM
Have the Reds ever retired Jose Hernandez?

I called for us to acquire him last offseason for this very reason.

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 07:54 PM
The mighty Clayton strikes out swinging on a full-count pitch. I guess he is human?!?

:D

Cedric
08-19-2006, 07:54 PM
Is Milton the best hitting pitcher we've had in years? I can't think of another one.

Smiley could rake if I remember correctly.

pedro
08-19-2006, 07:57 PM
Yep. That single to start it hurt.

One thing you're right about however is that the Reds are only 3 games back. Good catch.

Freel will be ok. I was wrong about him earlier in the year.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 07:58 PM
Junior with bad baserunning

Cedric
08-19-2006, 07:59 PM
Milton needs to put a 10-12 pitch inning in here.

FlyingPig
08-19-2006, 07:59 PM
After 2 innings, everyone in the Red's lineup has a hit......


except Dunn....

(but he has a walk)

:)

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:03 PM
Freel does it again!

RedsMan3203
08-19-2006, 08:03 PM
Okay i'm back, for now....

We have one out in the top of the 3rd with Jack Wilson up.

Wilson lines a shot into right field and freel has a diving catch.

WOW!

TeamCasey
08-19-2006, 08:04 PM
He is amazing.

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 08:04 PM
Let me ask a serious question--how much can a pitcher improve his value to a ballclub by being competent with the stick, both in terms of bunting and base hits. For example, let's say you have a Harang-type who can't hit running up a 3.50 era? Then you have a Zambrano-type who mashes (comparatively) with a 4.00 era. Is it conceivable the difference in hitting production could overcome the difference in their ERAs?

captainmorgan07
08-19-2006, 08:04 PM
that is the man i want playing short for my team

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 08:08 PM
If there's one thing the last month has proven to me, it's that Ryan Freel, though an outstanding utility man, makes a fine everyday center- or right-fielder. One project this offseason needs to be moving Griffey over, in my opinion. We might save 20-25 runs a year with the Flying Squirrel in center.

TeamCasey
08-19-2006, 08:09 PM
I just want to tuck him under my arm and take him home.

WVRedsFan
08-19-2006, 08:11 PM
We might save 20-25 runs a year with the Flying Squirrel in center.

We might also lose 20-25 runs a year when he decides to take that extra base or plows into another player and injure him or many other things that Freel does that might be loss of time due to injury.

He's the best utility man in the majors. That's where he should be playing. Everywhere.

Aronchis
08-19-2006, 08:13 PM
Freel: the Flying squirrel :beerme:

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 08:14 PM
We might also lose 20-25 runs a year when he decides to take that extra base or plows into another player and injure him or many other things that Freel does that might be loss of time due to injury.

He's going to do that regardless of where he plays. Also, he's been doing that all year and how many games has he missed due to injury? Ten, fifteen tops?

Chip R
08-19-2006, 08:15 PM
We might also lose 20-25 runs a year when he decides to take that extra base or plows into another player and injure him or many other things that Freel does that might be loss of time due to injury.

He's the best utility man in the majors. That's where he should be playing. Everywhere.
Using that logic, he should not even be playing at all.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:18 PM
:jump:

Ross!!

MaineRed
08-19-2006, 08:18 PM
Hard to play Freel everywhere when there is nowhere to play him but in right.

Edwin and Phillips are set at second and third and even if they are not, Rich makes a good back-up. How many non, everyday players have 17 bombs?

You can spell Griff every now and then with Freel but other than that there are not a lot of options on where to play him.

Freel is a more valuable, "utility player", when you have a lot of injuries. On a team with everyone but the SS being defined, hard to use Freel as a utility guy, especially with Aurillia being here.

Gallen5862
08-19-2006, 08:20 PM
Ross is hot. A huge homerun by Ross.

WVRedsFan
08-19-2006, 08:22 PM
Using that logic, he should not even be playing at all.

Huh?

Explain, please.

What I was attempting to say was that we need him to fill in at several positions and holding him down to one makes him less effective.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:25 PM
1,2,3 for Milton

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 08:27 PM
Here is a complete list of the third basemen in the Major Leagues with a better OPS than Edwin Encarnacion:

Miguel Cabrera
Chipper Jones
Scott Rolen

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:27 PM
Milton on a 4 game hitting streak :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:31 PM
Freel is a horrible baserunner. That's eight (8!) pickoffs this year. Absolutely ridiculous. He just needs to stand on the base from now on.

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 08:31 PM
It seems like the lineups that everyone here hates do the best....

Chip R
08-19-2006, 08:32 PM
Huh?

Explain, please.

What I was attempting to say was that we need him to fill in at several positions and holding him down to one makes him less effective.

You said that we may lose 20 to 25 runs a year when he decides to take the extra base or injure someone. Unless the manager can predict the future, you do not know when or even if that will occur. Who has he ran into this year and injured? How many times has he been hurt taking the extra base? I agree he is valuable because he can move around to different positions but having him at one position does not limit him to playing other positions when need be. It is not like he is going to forget how to play CF or LF or 2B or 3B playing most every day in RF.

I was driving home tonight and happened to pick up Alan Cutler on the pregame show. He was spewing the party line about how Freel is tired and needs a break. From what I have seen so far tonight he looks just fine to me.

vaticanplum
08-19-2006, 08:35 PM
I'm never complaining about lineups again.

GAC
08-19-2006, 08:37 PM
You said that we may lose 20 to 25 runs a year when he decides to take the extra base or injure someone. Unless the manager can predict the future, you do not know when or even if that will occur. Who has he ran into this year and injured? How many times has he been hurt taking the extra base? I agree he is valuable because he can move around to different positions but having him at one position does not limit him to playing other positions when need be. It is not like he is going to forget how to play CF or LF or 2B or 3B playing most every day in RF.

I was driving home tonight and happened to pick up Alan Cutler on the pregame show. He was spewing the party line about how Freel is tired and needs a break. From what I have seen so far tonight he looks just fine to me.

A .598 OPS in August while hitting .193 doesn't seem fine to me. ;)

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:40 PM
Milton at 98 pitches...

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:40 PM
That was a ball?

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:41 PM
And Milton returns to form...

:bang:

Aronchis
08-19-2006, 08:42 PM
Pirates kick lefty butt='s Eric shelling. Narron should have taken him down after those first 2 runners reached.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:42 PM
Is there anyway possible the Reds win this game? Because I just don't see it.

captainmorgan07
08-19-2006, 08:42 PM
long nite for the pen

pedro
08-19-2006, 08:43 PM
Is there anyway possible the Reds win this game? Because I just don't see it.


boo.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:43 PM
That was a ball?

Yes it was. This ump is VERY good. He isn't calling pitches 3-6 inches off the plate a strike like most umps wrongfully do.

captainmorgan07
08-19-2006, 08:44 PM
i think they jinxed uncle milty when they said he's been the best pitcher on the reds staff the last couple starts

PuffyPig
08-19-2006, 08:44 PM
Is there anyway possible the Reds win this game? Because I just don't see it.

Actually, the Reds winning a game that they are currently leading isn't as far fetched as it may sound.

I believe it's happened previously.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:44 PM
Is there anyway possible the Reds win this game?

Yes.

They haven't made it any easier on themselves, however...

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 08:45 PM
Yes it was. This ump is VERY good. He isn't calling pitches 3-6 inches off the plate a strike like most umps wrongfully do.

It was close, but I saw the replay...and it was indeed a ball just off the plate...

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:46 PM
Actually, the Reds winning a game that they are currently leading isn't as far fetched as it may sound.

I believe it's happened previously.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Chip R
08-19-2006, 08:47 PM
A .598 OPS in August while hitting .193 doesn't seem fine to me. ;)

Is that because he is tired or because he is in a slump? Tonight he is 2 for 3 with a run scored. If he is so tired, why does he have 2 hits tonight? Are you going to play Hollandsworth in RF against a lefty tonight?

You are going to go through stetches when you are not hitting well. Everyone goes through it. If they did not, guys would be hitting .800. I tell you what, you tell me which games Freel is not going to get a hit in or is going to hurt himself or someone else this year. Maybe Narron can use that info to know when to sit him.

PuffyPig
08-19-2006, 08:47 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

You're welcome.

Raisor
08-19-2006, 08:48 PM
Is there anyway possible the Reds win this game? Because I just don't see it.

OBM, I love ya and everything, but has there been a game thread this season where you haven't said something like this?

:devil:

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 08:51 PM
The REDS are 35-6 when scoring 7 or more runs in a game this year.

The REDS have scored 7 or more runs in a game 10 times since the All-Star break... they won each time.

The last time they lost when scoring 7 or more runs in a game was July 6 @ Milwaukee. Lost 8-7 in 10 innings.

Chip R
08-19-2006, 08:52 PM
Who would have thought after the 1st inning that Maholm would last longer than Milton? With pitching like this, it would be hard to believe the Reds can make the postseason. :(

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:53 PM
For the second time tonight Dunn K's swinging on a pitch that was almost in the Pirates dugout. I remember when Dunn first came up he would hardly ever chase a pitch out of the strikezone, now he does it regularly.

Dunn picked the wrong time to have the worst month of his career.

GAC
08-19-2006, 08:54 PM
Is that because he is tired or because he is in a slump? Tonight he is 2 for 3 with a run scored. If he is so tired, why does he have 2 hits tonight? Are you going to play Hollandsworth in RF against a lefty tonight?

You are going to go through stetches when you are not hitting well. Everyone goes through it. If they did not, guys would be hitting .800. I tell you what, you tell me which games Freel is not going to get a hit in or is going to hurt himself or someone else this year. Maybe Narron can use that info to know when to sit him.

I'm not saying it's because he is tired. But if he continues on this trend for the the remainder of the year then what do we say? That's a heck of a slump IMO.

And can slumps be caused by one being tired? And I'm not simply suggesting that of Freel but anyone.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:55 PM
Who would have thought after the 1st inning that Maholm would last longer than Milton? With pitching like this, it would be hard to believe the Reds can make the postseason. :(

Believe it or not, I saw this coming after Freel GIDP on a pitch in the dirt to end the first inning. It killed all the momentum.

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 08:55 PM
I came on the "game thread" to get an idea of the score. I guess no one's doing pbp tonight?

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:56 PM
OBM, I love ya and everything, but has there been a game thread this season where you haven't said something like this?

:devil:

Yes...when I was at the beach and didn't have computer access! :D

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 08:57 PM
7-6, mid 6th. Milton out, Coffey pitches a 1-2-3 6th.

PuffyPig
08-19-2006, 08:57 PM
Believe it or not, I saw this coming after Freel GIDP on a pitch in the dirt to end the first inning. It killed all the momentum.
For someone that posts negative things at the drop of a hat, I'm a little surprised you could have kept that thought under wraps.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 08:59 PM
For someone that posts negative things at the drop of a hat, I'm a little surprised you could have kept that thought under wraps.

Someone else was using the computer during the first inning.

Puffy
08-19-2006, 08:59 PM
Dunn picked the wrong time to have the worst month of his career.

I picked a bad time to stop sniffing Pine Sol.

RedLegSuperStar
08-19-2006, 09:01 PM
Reds either like to win close games or get blown out.. why can't we blow a team out.. we score 6 runs and batted around with only 1 out in the first and if Ross didn't homer then we would be $crewed.

Edskin
08-19-2006, 09:04 PM
Just logged on--why is MLBTV blacking it out this late in the evening?

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:05 PM
Just logged on--why is MLBTV blacking it out this late in the evening?

Because Freel got picked off! ;)

Doc. Scott
08-19-2006, 09:05 PM
Saturday before 7PM is blacked out because of Fox.

But it's back on now.

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:07 PM
I'm not saying it's because he is tired. But if he continues on this trend for the the remainder of the year then what do we say? That's a heck of a slump IMO.

And can slumps be caused by one being tired? And I'm not simply suggesting that of Freel but anyone.

So what do you do, sit him down for a few days and have Clayton lead off? Dunn is not exactly hitting terrific now either so do you sit him down too?

No one knows why players get into slumps. Can a player get into a slump cause he is tired? It is possible. It is also possible that someone can go into a slump cause he walked under a ladder or faced a certain pitcher or he is going through some personal problems. But what do you say about the guy who starts off the season 1 for 22? He cannot be tired cause he just began the season. If it were as simple as sitting a guy down for a day or so, everyone would do it. I seem to recall a guy back in the 60s and 70s who played a lot like Freel. Very reckless with his body. Always gave it his all and prided himself on playing 162 games a year. He would be in the Hall of Fame right now if he did not have a gambling problem.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:07 PM
Amazing. More idiotic baserunning.

For someone who preaches "little things" and "fundamentals," Jerry Narron's teams haven't been very good at them.

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:07 PM
The REDS and Pirates are playing their 9th game against one another tonight. With the score 7-6 REDS, the total runs scored in their series this year: REDS 51 - Pirates 62. Pirates w/ an avg. of almost 7 runs per game.

Oh... the REDS are 4-4 against the Pirates. 3 of their 4 wins were by 1-run.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 09:07 PM
Is there a worse baserunning team in baseball than the Reds?

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:08 PM
Speed kills ;)

Looked like BP was doing a line dance out there! :lol:

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:11 PM
Wow! Narron may have a death wish. He has put Franklin in. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:11 PM
So what do you do, sit him down for a few days and have Clayton lead off? Dunn is not exactly hitting terrific now either so do you sit him down too?

Dunn just sucks! :D


But what do you say about the guy who starts off the season 1 for 22? He cannot be tired cause he just began the season.

Of course not. But what about after 120+ games? Is it likely? That is all I am saying.


If it were as simple as sitting a guy down for a day or so, everyone would do it. I seem to recall a guy back in the 60s and 70s who played a lot like Freel. Very reckless with his body. Always gave it his all and prided himself on playing 162 games a year. He would be in the Hall of Fame right now if he did not have a gambling problem.

Wanna place a bet? :lol:

CrackerJack
08-19-2006, 09:12 PM
Wow another costly, pathetic defensive attempt by Jr. in CF - getting old

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 09:13 PM
Oh thank God, it's Jason Bay.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 09:13 PM
Wow! Narron may have a death wish. He has put Franklin in. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

But his record with the Reds is over .500!;)

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:14 PM
2nd and 3rd no outs and Bay up. Hold me, GAC! :lol:

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 09:16 PM
Of all the turds that the Reds have trotted out, Ryan Franklin may be the worst.

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:16 PM
2nd and 3rd no outs and Bay up. Hold me, GAC! :lol:

:lol:

you got two hands!

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:17 PM
But his record with the Reds is over .500!;)


Just barely... 108-106 record entering tonight's game.

Won their 1st three games he managed. So (if no one minds me stating it :devil:) he is 1 game under .500 after his first three games! ;)

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 09:18 PM
Of all the turds that the Reds have trotted out, Ryan Franklin may be the worst.

And he's a cheater to boot.

dougdirt
08-19-2006, 09:19 PM
Man am I glad we picked up Tood Hollandsworth to come off the bench for us. Now 0-7 with 5 strikeouts as a Red and 2-21 on the season as a pinch hitter.....

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2006, 09:19 PM
Honestly, if we lose this game, that may be it for us. This is un-freaking-believable. I want to projectile vomit.

VR
08-19-2006, 09:20 PM
Any chance there's a 30 day money back guarantee on Hollandsworth? :help:

CTA513
08-19-2006, 09:20 PM
Todd "I have not hits since joining the Reds" Hollandsworth.

VR
08-19-2006, 09:20 PM
Honestly, if we lose this game, that may be it for us. This is un-freaking-believable. I want to projectile vomit.

good news....there's an emoticon for that ;)

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:20 PM
Honestly, if we lose this game, that may be it for us. This is un-freaking-believable. I want to projectile vomit.

Cards lost today.

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 09:22 PM
Even though the Cards lost, we have to win today.

Stormy
08-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Man am I glad we picked up Tood Hollandsworth to come off the bench for us. Now 0-7 with 5 strikeouts as a Red and 2-21 on the season as a pinch hitter.....

Good point. The futility of the bench, and the inherent lack of depth, has really become an increasingly visible weakness as the team grinds it's way through the 'dog days.' Toss in the continued attrition and volatility in the bullpen, and the recent combination of more frequent implosions by the starters, and extended August slumps by 1/2 of the starting 8 in the lineup... and it's little wonder we are headed back towards the wrong side of .500 at the very time that we need to be making our push.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Clayton comes up big!!

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Nice pitch selection by Hollandsworth. Hits a ball off his shoetops.

Tired Ryan Freel gets his 3rd hit. Man, if he were not so tired those probably would have been home runs. Then he scored from 1st on a double. Man, that boy is tired. :p:

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:25 PM
Paulino's a jack ass

BRM
08-19-2006, 09:26 PM
Sportsline appears to have frozen. What did Clayton do?

CTA513
08-19-2006, 09:26 PM
Paulino's a jack ass

I wouldnt be surprised if he gets plunked next time hes up.
To bad Coffey has already pitched because hes about the hardest throwing pitcher in the pen.

VR
08-19-2006, 09:27 PM
Good point. The futility of the bench, and the inherent lack of depth, has really become an increasingly visible weakness as the team grinds it's way through the 'dog days.' Toss in the continued attrition and volatility in the bullpen, and the recent combination of more frequent implosions by the starters, and extended August slumps by 1/2 of the starting 8 in the lineup... and it's little wonder we are headed back towards the wrong side of .500 at the very time that we need to be making our push.

Oh dear lord. An appearance from Stormy....thus assuring a victory tonight, and perhaps a cakewalk the rest of the way to the playoffs. :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:27 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if he gets plunked next time hes up.


This is the Reds....

Stormy
08-19-2006, 09:27 PM
Nice pitch selection by Hollandsworth. Hits a ball off his shoetops.

Hey, at least he made contact. Probably feels like an achievement of epic proportions when you've whiffed in 5 of your first 6ABs with a new team. If he keeps up this kind of contact, he might see the sunny side of a 200OBP by year end. :)

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:27 PM
Freel bounces off catchers just like he does walls! :lol:

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:28 PM
Eddie does it again!!!

CrackerJack
08-19-2006, 09:29 PM
balls are flyin' tonight in the humidity - not sure how that ball went that far

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:29 PM
Good point. The futility of the bench, and the inherent lack of depth, has really become an increasingly visible weakness as the team grinds it's way through the 'dog days.' Toss in the continued attrition and volatility in the bullpen, and the recent combination of more frequent implosions by the starters, and extended August slumps by 1/2 of the starting 8 in the lineup... and it's little wonder we are headed back towards the wrong side of .500 at the very time that we need to be making our push.

Well, look who is back. I heard a rumor you were dead... again. ;) Good to have you back. :beerme:

If Freel was not so tired he would have knocked Paulino on his ass. :lol:

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
someone explain for me the IBB to Junior?

Stormy
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
Oh dear lord. An appearance from Stormy....thus assuring a victory tonight, and perhaps a cakewalk the rest of the way to the playoffs. :thumbup:

Judging from the Reds 2000-2005 records, my presence is more likely to inspire a walking of the plank, than a cakewalk... but thanks for the vote of confidence, VR. ;)

Puffy
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
Good point. The futility of the bench, and the inherent lack of depth, has really become an increasingly visible weakness as the team grinds it's way through the 'dog days.' Toss in the continued attrition and volatility in the bullpen, and the recent combination of more frequent implosions by the starters, and extended August slumps by 1/2 of the starting 8 in the lineup... and it's little wonder we are headed back towards the wrong side of .500 at the very time that we need to be making our push.

Welcome back buddy!

Edskin
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
EE's got a little swagger too... he "styled" a bit on that one and then was barking up a storm at 2nd base. I like it :)

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
Anyone who had any doubts that Edwin could not hit - that he could not come through in a pressure situation - that he could not handle the heat of the playoffs....


can bite my butt :D

gm
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
someone explain for me the IBB to Junior?

Tracy wanting to set up a potentional DP?

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 09:30 PM
someone explain for me the IBB to Junior?

yeah i don't get that. Dunn, maybe, but JR?!?! :confused:

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:31 PM
If Freel was not so tired he would have knocked Paulino on his ass. :lol:

That wasn't Freel.... that was Farney, who chickened out at the last minute.... and then afterwards pats the catcher on the ass! :lol:

reds44
08-19-2006, 09:31 PM
Edwin is good.

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 09:32 PM
Tracy wanting to set up a potentional DP?

yeah, but by pitching to EE?

Stormy
08-19-2006, 09:32 PM
Well, look who is back. I heard a rumor you were dead... again. ;) Good to have you back. :beerme:

Not dead, just sleepy like Freel. I'm not an everyday poster.

EE meanwhile continues to carry the team through August.

dougdirt
08-19-2006, 09:32 PM
Seriously, I love Edwin Encarnacion. Really.

VR
08-19-2006, 09:33 PM
Judging from the Reds 2000-2005 records, my presence is more likely to inspire a walking of the plank, than a cakewalk... but thanks for the vote of confidence, VR. ;)

No problem....this might be the best late season acquisition for the Reds yet. ;)

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:33 PM
The REDS have not lost a game this year when scoring 9 or more runs. 17-0 record.

Their highest scoring loss was a 9-8 loss to the Royals on June 27.
> A game started by... Eric Milton!

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:34 PM
Where is George tonight? Has Jim Edmonds taken a turn for the worse?

gm
08-19-2006, 09:35 PM
yeah, but by pitching to EE?

Righty on righty, by the book as they say. Not sure how Torrez' splits are re: getting GIDPs off of reigning players of the week...

Not trying to defend Jim, but I see where his wheels were turning

Stormy
08-19-2006, 09:35 PM
Welcome back buddy!

Hey chief, missed your camraderie. Following the Reds without Redszone isn't the same.

How about your boy EdE.... I think his August OPS just went over 1.300!!

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:36 PM
Where is George tonight? Has Jim Edmonds taken a turn for the worse?

two words: Bedside Visitation.

VR
08-19-2006, 09:36 PM
Ross gonna do some damage here./

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 09:37 PM
Somewhere, Pete Vukovich is heard saying "you really knocked the crap out of that one Rich"

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 09:37 PM
yay aurilla...! </sarcasm>

Stormy
08-19-2006, 09:37 PM
No problem....this might be the best late season acquisition for the Reds yet. ;)

And perhaps the only one who wasn't injured at the time of acquisition.

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:37 PM
The REDS have not lost a game this year when scoring 9 or more runs. 17-0 record.

Their highest scoring loss was a 9-8 loss to the Royals on June 27.
> A game started by... Eric Milton!

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 09:37 PM
Oh, Rich. Come on, man.

Doc. Scott
08-19-2006, 09:37 PM
two words: Bedside Visitation.

I don't know why Edmonds is being such a skirt. He's too concussed to start, but he can pinch-hit and stay in the game to play defense for several innings later?

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:38 PM
Way to go, David Ross!

TheBurn
08-19-2006, 09:38 PM
There we go !!!

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:38 PM
Ross w/ a 3R double as he hits off the base of the wall down the leftfield line!! 12-7, REDS!

The REDS are 5-7 in games in which David Ross hits a HR this year entering tonight's game. Lookin' to go 6-7 now! :)

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:38 PM
Somewhere, Jason LaRue is frowning...

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2006, 09:39 PM
David Ross is the MAN!! GO GATORS!!!

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 09:40 PM
Ross is boss.

Also, the Yankees appear to have found the antidote for their awful pitching: score 15 runs a game and field a lineup that leaves opposing starters fleeing from the mound leaking urine and drool.

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:40 PM
Brandon Phillips! Dinger!

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:41 PM
Reds lead by a touchdown!

:jump:

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:41 PM
Phillips w/ a 2R cannon shot over the CF wall! 14-7 REDS!

:beerme:

reds44
08-19-2006, 09:41 PM
Brandon!!!!!

7 run inning!

TheBurn
08-19-2006, 09:41 PM
So awesome... gotta love this!

Puffy
08-19-2006, 09:41 PM
Dave Ross is having himself an OK night, dontcha think?

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 09:41 PM
I don't know why Edmonds is being such a skirt. He's too concussed to start, but he can pinch-hit and stay in the game to play defense for several innings later?

two words: WEB GEMS

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Hr Phillips!!!!!!!!!

vaticanplum
08-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Sheesh, thank god.

FlyingPig
08-19-2006, 09:42 PM
I dropped Paul La duca from my fantasy team 3 weeks ago and grabbed David Ross..

Ryan Freel is my utility man...

Adam Dunn leads my team in homers..(we don't have strikeouts as a category)


it's stuff like that has me sitting in first place... :cool:


Oh yeah..Jason Bay helps a little bit too...

OldXOhio
08-19-2006, 09:42 PM
what's our record when we score 14?

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:42 PM
Touchdown, Chad Johnson! :D

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:43 PM
And here some thought we were on the road to another loss. ;)

Puffy
08-19-2006, 09:43 PM
Brandon Phillips is having an OK night, dontcha think?

VR
08-19-2006, 09:43 PM
Dave Ross is having himself an OK night, dontcha think?

Year. :thumbup:

He now has around 160 abs...anyone care to do the quick math and see a gaudy projection for a full season....even as a catcher?

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 09:44 PM
Somewhere, Jason LaRue is frowning...
:laugh:

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:44 PM
We blew a 6 run lead earlier.... can we make it 7? Any takers? ;)

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Year. :thumbup:

He now has around 160 abs...anyone care to do the quick math and see a gaudy projection for a full season....even as a catcher?


That would be on pace for almost 75 HR's!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:45 PM
This isn't Mother's Day, is it?!? And this isn't the Cardinals? I hope not! ;)

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 09:45 PM
It would be nice to see Holly break out of his slump...I have the sneaking suspicion we're going to need him in the next month.

CTA513
08-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Brandon Phillips! Dinger!

I dont think he liked the fastball coming near his head on the pitch before that.

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:45 PM
Paulino deserves to get plunked for shoving Freel....but I would be surprised if Weathers did it...

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:45 PM
If I read it right, the Reds have left one man on base tonight?

gm
08-19-2006, 09:46 PM
Hey, Hollands-not-worth-spit got one out of the infield! Let's hear it for the former RoY

CTA513
08-19-2006, 09:46 PM
It would be nice to see Holly break out of his slump...I have the sneaking suspicion we're going to need him in the next month.

He the made 1st and 3rd out of that inning.

:ughmamoru

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 09:46 PM
Paulino needs to get one in the damned ear, even if it is a 76 mph David Weathers heater.

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:46 PM
I dont think he liked the fastball coming near his head on the pitch before that.

I thought the same thing - Kinda woke him up.

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2006, 09:46 PM
Sit down, you *****.

vaticanplum
08-19-2006, 09:47 PM
What exactly happened with Paulino?

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 09:47 PM
FUN game.

Weathers needs fined for not hitting Paulino. Ridiuclous that he didn't get beaned there for what he did to Freel.

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:48 PM
what's our record when we score 14?

Haven't done it this year. Did it 3X since 2003 though... and believe-it-or-not they won them all!

Most runs this year... 15-5 win vs. Milwaukee on May 22.

OnBaseMachine
08-19-2006, 09:49 PM
Where is George tonight? Has Jim Edmonds taken a turn for the worse?

I said the same thing to my dad earlier in the game. :laugh:

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 09:49 PM
What exactly happened with Paulino?

When Freel had scored on a close play at home earlier, Paulina layed a double tag on him - even though the catcher did not have the ball. One, in fact, was more of a full-body nudge.
Freel, being the ever-scrappy fellow he is, gave Paulino a friendly tap on the behind before going into the dugout.

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:50 PM
FUN game.

Weathers needs fined for not hitting Paulino. Ridiuclous that he didn't get beaned there for what he did to Freel.

The REDS still have 7 games vs. Pittsburgh after tonight. Plenty of time... :devil:

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2006, 09:51 PM
Well, give credit where it's due, because we certainly don't hold back the criticism - Clayton started that 7 run rally. Big hit.

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:52 PM
It would be nice to see Holly break out of his slump

But you have to hit first in order to slump. ;)

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:52 PM
Paulino deserves to get plunked for shoving Freel....but I would be surprised if Weathers did it...

And for Phillips being brushed back. However, with this bullpen, baserunners: bad.

VP, Freel was trying to score and Paulino was blocking the plate even after the ball got away. Freel had to shove him aside to touch the plate and Paulino shoved him back. That guy is on my list now.

vaticanplum
08-19-2006, 09:53 PM
When Freel had scored on a close play at home earlier, Paulina layed a double tag on him - even though the catcher did not have the ball. One, in fact, was more of a full-body nudge.

Well that was uncalled for.

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:53 PM
FUN game.

Weathers needs fined for not hitting Paulino. Ridiuclous that he didn't get beaned there for what he did to Freel.

Weathers though is one guy out of this BP we can't afford to lose. ;)

TheBigLebowski
08-19-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm not exactly sure why we're PH'ing for Weathers here. Just let him finish the darned thing.

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:55 PM
That guy is on my list now.

You just made me spit out valuable Budweiser! :lol:

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:56 PM
And I remembering right...

Will Franklin get the win?? After letting them tie it? That would make him 2-1 w/ the REDS... in about 11 games since he joined them?

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:56 PM
What if the Reds need Eddie tomorrow? Will he be available since he's now pitching?

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:56 PM
I said the same thing to my dad earlier in the game. :laugh:

OBM... I am your father. ;)

Dude, we may need Weathers tomorrow.

GAC
08-19-2006, 09:57 PM
And I remembering right...

Will Franklin get the win?? After letting them tie it? That would make him 2-1 w/ the REDS... in about 11 games since he joined them?

Sadly enough - he's the pitcher of record and will get the win.

Chip R
08-19-2006, 09:59 PM
You just made me spit out valuable Budweiser! :lol:

That is an oxymoron. :beerme:

RedFanAlways1966
08-19-2006, 09:59 PM
Sadly enough - he's the pitcher of record and will get the win.

Funny how that works out like that! A backdoor win for Mr. Franklin. I think this is only his 10th game in a REDS uniform. 3 decisions is a lot. Some here probably think 3 appearnces is too many for Franklin in 20 games. ;)

Matt700wlw
08-19-2006, 09:59 PM
Eddie's hurt....

He's leaving.

dsmith421
08-19-2006, 10:00 PM
I really really don't get Narron's bullpen management. He seems more than happy to use our best (best being a relative term) relievers in lost causes or when we're up seven, then we end up with a floating turd like Franklin out there in the ninth.

Does "Baseball Guy" just not see the cause/effect relationship there?

MrCinatit
08-19-2006, 10:00 PM
Oh, shoot, this is not good. Everyday Eddie calling everyone to the mound. Shoot.

Reds Fanatic
08-19-2006, 10:00 PM
Guardado is going to have to come out of the game.

redsrule2500
08-19-2006, 10:00 PM
Eddie looks done for the rest of the year...

It was a fun few weeks.