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reds44
08-21-2006, 07:30 PM
Willy Taveras CF Season .276 1 29
Craig Biggio 2B Season .261 16 44
Mike Lamb 1B Season .308 10 38
Lance Berkman RF Season .313 33 102
Luke Scott LF Season .421 3 14
Aubrey Huff 3B Season .256 5 19
Adam Everett SS Season .237 3 45
Brad Ausmus C Season .225 2 29
Andy Pettitte P Season .174 1 4
vs. pitcher .333 0 0



Ryan Freel RF Season .290 7 24
Royce Clayton SS Season .264 2 35
Ken Griffey Jr. CF Season .250 25 66
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .300 14 63
Adam Dunn LF Season .248 37 84
Rich Aurilia 1B Season .280 17 48
David Ross C Season .282 15 40
Brandon Phillips 2B Season .293 12 60
Bronson Arroyo P Season .121 2 6

RollyInRaleigh
08-21-2006, 07:32 PM
Man, I hate seeing Clayton in the lineup, particularly at #2. Looks to me like Aurillia would be a better choice against Pettite.

max venable
08-21-2006, 07:32 PM
I'm okay with that lineup. I'd rather not have Clayton in the two-hole, but other than that, it's decent.

Need Arroyo to buck up and get his second in a row.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2006, 07:35 PM
I think Clayton has pretty good numbers against Pettitte...

Mitri
08-21-2006, 07:35 PM
Giving the Hatte another day off. Not a bad idea, honestly.

RollyInRaleigh
08-21-2006, 07:35 PM
I guess Aurillia is in there. Man, I just don't like Clayton in the 2 hole.

VR
08-21-2006, 07:38 PM
I'm going to predict 6-7-8 "wreak havoc" tonight

VR
08-21-2006, 07:39 PM
I think Clayton has pretty good numbers against Pettitte...

.824 OPS.....over .400 OBP

reds44
08-21-2006, 07:40 PM
:lol:

David Ross was giving tips to Gapper before the game.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 07:40 PM
Astros vs. Arroyo
Taveras: 0 for 5
Biggio: 7 for 16 with a double and homerun
Lamb: 2 for 3
Berkman: 7 for 17 with 2 homeruns
Scott: 0 for 3
Huff: 11 for 19 with 5 doubles
Everett: 0 for 2
Ausmus: 2 for 11 with a double
Pettitte: 1 for 3 with a double

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/battervspitcher/HOU/08210


Reds vs. Pettitte
Freel: 4 for 8
Clayton: 9 for 21 with a double
Griffey: 16 for 45 with 3 doubles and 2 homeruns
Encarnacion: 4 for 13 with 3 doubles
Dunn: 6 for 18 with 5 doubles
Aurilia: 5 for 18 with a triple and 2 homeruns
Ross: 3 for 9 with a double and triple
Phillips: 2 for 10
Arroyo: 3 for 4 with a double

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/battervspitcher/CIN/08210

redsrule2500
08-21-2006, 07:41 PM
Not a bad lineup, especially since Clayon has good numbers against Pettite.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 07:42 PM
vs. Pettite:

Freel 4 for 8
Clayton 9 for 24 (.375)
Griffey 15 for 45 (.356) 2 HR
Encarnacion 4 for 13 (.308) 3 Doubles
Dunn 6 for 18 (.333) 5 Doubles (4 for 7 this year)
Aurilia 5 for 18 (.278) 2HR
Ross 3 for 9 (.333)
Phillips 2 for 10 (.200)
Arroyo 3 for 4 (.750) 1 Double 4 RBI

SirFelixCat
08-21-2006, 07:43 PM
I like the lineup (based on Clayton's number vs Andy). Go Reds!

redsrule2500
08-21-2006, 07:45 PM
What if this is how Narron does every lineup? Based on past performances against pitchers??

oneupper
08-21-2006, 07:46 PM
What if this is how Narron does every lineup? Based on past performances against pitchers??

Well, the lineup does look like Saturday's.

But, yeah...I'm pretty sure he looks at that.

reds44
08-21-2006, 07:49 PM
Clayton owns lefties.

This is what the lineup will normally look against LHP.

vs RHP it is
Freel
Hatte
Jr.
EE
Dunn
Rich
Ross
BP

At least I finally have figured it out.

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 07:53 PM
Clayton has close to a .400 OBA this year vs. all LH pitchers.

Hatteberg seldom plays against LH pitchers, unless there's an injury.

Clayton vs. a LH pitcher at SS is our best option. It's sending Hatteberg to the bench, and Clayton is actually a better option in this circumstance. It also saves Hatteberg to PH later against Qualls/Wheeler/Lidge which is a good weapon to have.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 07:55 PM
My lineup would have been:

RF Freel
1B Hatteberg
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
CF Griffey Jr.
SS Aurilia
C Ross
2B Phillips

Or flip flop Ross/Phillips.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 08:00 PM
The Reds have pounded Pettitte in each of his three starts this year against them.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2006, 08:08 PM
Woah...Hulk Hogan and his daughter just walked by the studio....

Chip R
08-21-2006, 08:10 PM
Woah...Hulk Hogan and his daughter just walked by the studio....

Redsamania, Brother!

reds44
08-21-2006, 08:10 PM
2nd to last night before heading back to school for me. :(

Matt700wlw
08-21-2006, 08:12 PM
Redsamania, Brother!

Brookemania, brother :eek:

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 08:12 PM
Taveras bunts his way on to lead things off.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:12 PM
Who day say going to run on Ross? Who day?:laugh:

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 08:13 PM
Taveras is thrown out stealing by Ross.

Heh.

GridironGrace
08-21-2006, 08:14 PM
A nice Series Sweep would be GREAT before we head to the west coast :)

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:15 PM
Woah...Hulk Hogan and his daughter just walked by the studio....

His daughter is pretty hot....right?

Matt700wlw
08-21-2006, 08:15 PM
His daughter is pretty hot....right?

His daughter is smokin' hot!

reds44
08-21-2006, 08:16 PM
Royce!!!!

Good inning for BA.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 08:20 PM
Pettitte has pitched well of late.

top6
08-21-2006, 08:21 PM
wow, looks empty at GAB tonight.

MrCinatit
08-21-2006, 08:23 PM
we need pictures, Matt...pictures!
of the daughter, not Hulk

flyer85
08-21-2006, 08:25 PM
Bucknor behind the plate, generally regarded as the worst umpire in baseball

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:25 PM
I have only one word of advice for Arroyo tonight: walk Berkman--even with the bases loaded.

reds44
08-21-2006, 08:25 PM
Edwin is starting to get a case of Griffeyitis.

STOP SWINGING AT THE 1ST PITCH.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2006, 08:26 PM
http://dicaevent.chosun.com/bbs/data2/photo_kisa/Brooke_Hogan.jpg

I don't know if she's "legal" yet...

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:28 PM
I have only one word of advice for Arroyo tonight: walk Berkman--even with the bases loaded.

No one ever listens to me. :confused:

CTA513
08-21-2006, 08:28 PM
Arroyo should be near the top for most homeruns given up at the end of the season.

Matt700wlw
08-21-2006, 08:30 PM
That's 28 now, thanks to Huff

MrCinatit
08-21-2006, 08:30 PM
Arroyo should be near the top for most homeruns given up at the end of the season.

Grande said his 28 homers are second only to Jason Marque (sp?)

oneupper
08-21-2006, 08:30 PM
Huff continues to kill Arroyo.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:30 PM
When you consider he's not juicing and that he plays alongside a pathetic offense, Berkman's numbers are nothing short of jaw-dropping.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 08:31 PM
Arroyo still cant get lefties out and now gives up homerun #28.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 08:32 PM
That's 28 now, thanks to Huffseems as if he is turning back to a pumpkin.
WIth the way Pettite has been pitching it ain't lookin good.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:32 PM
seems as if he is turning back to a pumpkin.
WIth the way Pettite has been pitching it ain't lookin good.

No, definitely not looking good. Certainly squaring up to look like Houston will play the spoiler.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:33 PM
Ausmus has horrible numbers....

oneupper
08-21-2006, 08:33 PM
Ausmus has horrible numbers....

And he was leading the leading in hitting in April (or close to). Imagine since.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 08:34 PM
Arroyo better learn a new pitch in the offseason or hes going to get crushed by lefties again next year.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:34 PM
Aubrey Huff = lefty Austin Kearns

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:34 PM
Did Arroyo groove one, or did Berkman hit a pitchers pitch?

flyer85
08-21-2006, 08:36 PM
Did Arroyo groove one, or did Berkman hit a pitchers pitch?most HRs are on mistakes and the two Arroyo gave up were on middle of plate pitches

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 08:36 PM
After 2 innings tonight...

IP/HR REDS Starters (min. 3 GS)
(1) Lohse 9.17
(2) Harang 9.12
(3) Ramirez 7.87
(4) Arroyo 6.73
(5) Milton 5.94
(6) Claussen 5.50
(7) Mays 5.00
(8) Williams 4.44

oneupper
08-21-2006, 08:36 PM
Did Arroyo groove one, or did Berkman hit a pitchers pitch?

Letter high fastball...caught too much plate.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:36 PM
I'm not sure if it's pride, or overlooking the opponent, but I have no idea why Arroyo would EVER pitch to Berkman. If he feels he has to save face, then he can just do an intentional/"unintentional" walk.

VR
08-21-2006, 08:37 PM
Ausmus has horrible numbers....

He was leading the league at one point.....

and then......143 June, 200 July, 163 August

top6
08-21-2006, 08:38 PM
i swear RA tries to bunt for a base hit every time i watch the reds play.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:39 PM
Letter high fastball...caught too much plate.

I saw him pitch against Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. It is obvious that the scouting report on Arroyo is just wait on the curve, he throws it for strikes, and throws it often. Guess what...his ERA has gone through the roof lately. Arroyo needs to make adjustments...he really hasen't...and it shows.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 08:39 PM
I didn't know the Astros got ahold of ex-Pirate phenom JR House. He's been called up after hitting .325 in AA.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:43 PM
I didn't know the Astros got ahold of ex-Pirate phenom JR House. He's been called up after hitting .325 in AA.

Anybody in there organization hitting .300 or higher should be called up. They are 2nd to last in the league in hitting...right?

reds44
08-21-2006, 08:43 PM
bases loaded!!!

Come on BA!

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:44 PM
SQUEEZE:thumbup:

VR
08-21-2006, 08:45 PM
I'm going to predict 6-7-8 "wreak havoc" tonight

Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?;)

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:46 PM
What goes around Pettite comes around....

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 08:46 PM
Arroyo whiffs, leaving it up to Freel with two out.

RFS62
08-21-2006, 08:46 PM
Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?;)


I ALWAYS listen to you, VR.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:47 PM
Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?;)

I listen to you because you have me as your picture logo.....:thumbup:

RFS62
08-21-2006, 08:47 PM
Let's go, Farney

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:48 PM
Boy is he pitching better or what? We shelled him the last time.

VR
08-21-2006, 08:50 PM
I ALWAYS listen to you, VR.

talk to my kids for me, will ya?

27 pitches so far this inning...bodes well.

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 08:50 PM
dammit - Farney k's

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:51 PM
Freel strikes out WAY to often for a leadoff hitter but who else could do it?

oneupper
08-21-2006, 08:52 PM
44 pitches por Pettitte. If we can't score on him, at least wear him down.

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 08:52 PM
Boy is he pitching better or what? We shelled him the last time.

Last time the REDS faced Pettitte was July 26 and Andy got the win. 8-5 Astros... Arroyo gave up 7ER and 3HR and took the loss.

The REDS did beat him twice this year before that!

penantboundreds
08-21-2006, 08:53 PM
akward

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 08:54 PM
Freel strikes out WAY to often for a leadoff hitter but who else could do it?

Actually, a lead off hitter striking out alot is probably OK. They generally aren't in a position to advance runners anyway. What better place to put them?

A lead off hitter needs to get on base. K's are pretty much irrelevent.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:54 PM
Where is the payback pitch Arroyo? You came from Boston.:thumbdown

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 08:54 PM
44 pitches por Pettitte. If we can't score on him, at least wear him down.

He's used to big pitch counts, and their backs are against the wall.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 08:55 PM
Where is the payback pitch Arroyo? You came from Boston.:thumbdown

It should be Berkman or Huff since its hard for him to get either of those guys out.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 08:56 PM
Last time the REDS faced Pettitte was July 26 and Andy got the win. 8-5 Astros... Arroyo gave up 7ER and 3HR and took the loss.

The REDS did beat him twice this year before that!

Your right, but he gave up all 5 runs I believe in like 5 innings. We blew a lead if memory serves me correctly. Honestly all these games are running together.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 08:57 PM
Arroyo can not afford to walk a right hander and face 4 straight left handers.

:help:

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 08:58 PM
Think we can notch up a loss here tonight....BA simply does not have it, and Pettitte looks on.

Ravenlord
08-21-2006, 08:59 PM
Arroyo better learn a new pitch in the offseason or hes going to get crushed by lefties again next year.
i think it's more an issue that the way Arroyo delivers the ball that lefties get an exceptional look (possibly even seeing his finger placement) at the pitch. you don't really want a pitcher messing around with the delivery aspect of his motion after the low minors.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 08:59 PM
Speed- or, let's just call him Willy Taveras- kills. Astro rallies, that is.

Puffy
08-21-2006, 09:00 PM
Think we can notch up a loss here tonight....BA simply does not have it, and Pettitte looks on.

Now, I'm not watching the game live, so help me out here - but the Reds have 3 hits and a walk in two innings and Pettite is on? Have they been bloops and dribblers?

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:00 PM
Those Grippos commericals are brutal.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:01 PM
Now, I'm not watching the game live, so help me out here - but the Reds have 3 hits and a walk in two innings and Pettite is on? Have they been bloops and dribblers?

One bunt..one IF single. Griffey hit the ball kinda hard.
With Pettitte you have to grind...he doesn't give you much to hit.

Ravenlord
08-21-2006, 09:03 PM
Now, I'm not watching the game live, so help me out here - but the Reds have 3 hits and a walk in two innings and Pettite is on? Have they been bloops and dribblers?
Griffey has the only hit to leave the infield. Aurila's was a bunt and Phillips did the swinging bunt thing.

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 09:03 PM
Now, I'm not watching the game live, so help me out here - but the Reds have 3 hits and a walk in two innings and Pettite is on? Have they been bloops and dribblers?

Griffey hit... 1st baseman touched it, but couldn't grab it. Hit pretty hard.
Aurilia hit... bunt single.
Phillips hit... chopper that was weakly hit to SS.

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 09:03 PM
Wow - great AB, Clayton

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:03 PM
Clayton works a full count and then a walk! Very nice.

It seems like Royce only really tries some of the time. Half the time he's winging bloopers to first and swinging at everything in the same zip code, the other half of the time he's making nice plays and working counts.

VR
08-21-2006, 09:04 PM
take one Kenny

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:04 PM
Clayton really must see Pettitte's stuff extremely well. He was timing him.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:05 PM
Clayton really must see Pettitte's stuff extremely well. He was timing him.

Well, he was nine for 21 off the guy. That's probably as well as he's done in that many ABs against anyone in the league.

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 09:06 PM
Good ol' CB Bucknor giving Pettitte that very low strike tonight. Need a golf club to hit those...

:help:

VR
08-21-2006, 09:06 PM
Hoping Arroyo gets the low strike calls as well. Not too optimistic though

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:06 PM
that homeplate ump is horrible...both ways...there is no consistant strikezone in baseball...it does not exist.

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 09:06 PM
Save us, EE

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:06 PM
Griffey K's swinging.

VR
08-21-2006, 09:07 PM
green light

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:07 PM
Pettite leads the League in strikeouts in August...36

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:07 PM
I love it. The only Red Sox hitter that could touch the daunting Cory Lidle today was Wily Mo Pena.

Edit: And he hit his HR off the bullpen. Oops. But seriously, watching Boston tank it is amazing.

VR
08-21-2006, 09:07 PM
just missed it

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 09:08 PM
Ee Bb

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:08 PM
Pettite obviously not to afraid of Griffey or Dunn

MrCinatit
08-21-2006, 09:08 PM
We are certainly making Pettit work, this is for certain

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:09 PM
59 pitches now through 2.1 innings with three hits, three walks and five Ks for Andy.

Ravenlord
08-21-2006, 09:09 PM
i wonder if Buckner would still win the "Worst Strikezone" award in a players pool...

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:10 PM
Time for Narron to get tossed again...worst ump in baseball

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:11 PM
Pettite obviously not to afraid of Griffey or Dunn

:bang: :bang:

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:11 PM
Dunn goes after the first two pitches, fouling one and missing the other. One waste later, it's K number 147 for Adam. Two down for Aurilia.

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 09:11 PM
Dunn went 4-for-4 the last time Pettitte started against the REDS.

Aronchis
08-21-2006, 09:11 PM
How the heck do you call that 3rd pitch a strike, literally how could you? Narron needs to punch that SOB.

Doc. Scott
08-21-2006, 09:12 PM
I've liked how Rich has hit better on the road in 2006. Last year he was great at GABP and helpless away from it.

VR
08-21-2006, 09:12 PM
so far righties seeing Petitte very very well tonight

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:13 PM
I've liked how Rich has hit better on the road in 2006. Last year he was great at GABP and helpless away from it.

I'm glad we signed him...real asset.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:14 PM
I'm glad we signed him...real asset.

:thumbup:

Ravenlord
08-21-2006, 09:15 PM
thank God Huff is an iron glove...not that i think that was an easy play by any stretch of the imagination, though i think Ensberg makes that play 'interesting.'

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 09:15 PM
Aurilia with two infield hits. Probably been awhile since that has happened!

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 09:15 PM
2nd straight inning w/based juiced and 2 down.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:16 PM
Reds still haven't hit a ball hard tonight.

Now would be a good time to change that

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:16 PM
Ross do the vodoo that you do!!!:thumbup:

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:16 PM
Pettitte over 70 pitches

Ravenlord
08-21-2006, 09:17 PM
been awhile since i've seen Pettitte look so uncomfortable on the mound.

MrCinatit
08-21-2006, 09:17 PM
Between the lines, fellas...hit the ball hard between the lines.

CrackerJack
08-21-2006, 09:19 PM
7 k's in 3 innings - geesh

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:19 PM
Pettitte over 70 pitches

now he will throw 30 over the next 4 innings..

redsrule2500
08-21-2006, 09:20 PM
wow.

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 09:20 PM
Why the hell can't we touch this guy? Holy****.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:20 PM
quite amazing to throw 77 pitches in 3IP without allowing a run

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:20 PM
Here's the thing: Reds want no part of the Stros bully (aside from, of course, the great Lidge).

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:21 PM
I hate watching these free-swingers. Good grief. Bases loaded twice and you can't score? Awful.

Nothing but a bunch of free-swingers on this club. I remember when Dunn had an incredible eye at the plate - now he chases pitches in the dirt and over his head.

Freel has swung at about seven balls tonight too.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:21 PM
Why the hell can't we touch this guy? Holy****.

Because he's not throwing strikes. Very hard to hit the crap Pettitte is throwing up there.

Better not to.

77 pitches.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:21 PM
7 k's in 3 innings - geeshbefore tonight Pettitte led all major league pitchers in August Ks with 36. He has been missing a lot of bats of late.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:23 PM
taking close pitches with Bucknor the ump is dangerous because you never know what a strike is. A number of Reds have been unhappy with the strikes he is calling

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:23 PM
before tonight Pettitte led all major league pitchers in August Ks with 36. He has been missing a lot of bats of late.

Pettitte's only one of the best pitchers of the last decade: it was only a matter of time before he turned it up a notch.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
taking close pitches with Bucknor the ump is dangerous because you never know what a strike is. A number of Reds have been unhappy with the strikes he is calling

Which is why some of the players are going after some low pitches. Can't really blame them.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Smart Bronson. That's what you're going to have to do: swallow your pride and walk Berkman.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Great play by Phillips

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
I hate watching these free-swingers.

We do have 3 walks in 3 innings and made him throw 77 pitches.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Smart Bronson. That's what you're going to have to do: swallow your pride and walk Berkman.

If you want you can plunk him to save your pitch count.

:devil:

VR
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
77 pitches in 3 innings, and they're free swingers?

Reds look focused, despite poor results w/ 2 outs. Being aided by about 6 lousy strike calls so far didn't help either.

BP smooth out there.

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
Smart Bronson. That's what you're going to have to do: swallow your pride and walk Berkman.

Good call... esp. when a 4-3 DP happens next! :thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:24 PM
We do have 3 walks in 3 innings and made him throw 77 pitches.

And they have also refused about five walks.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:25 PM
Might as well walk Huff too.

BCubb2003
08-21-2006, 09:25 PM
To see a lot of pitches, you have to swing at a lot of pitches.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:26 PM
Nah. Huff's a second rate hitter. Just walk Berkman every single time. No reason at all to pitch to him if you're Arroyo.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:26 PM
Phillips, Arroyo and Freel. Let's make Pettitte Sweat it.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:27 PM
Who was the last Reds player to have a HR in their 1st ML plate appearance?

My guess...Paul Householder

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:27 PM
In august Pettite has an ERA ~2 with now 38Ks in 32IP.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:27 PM
To see a lot of pitches, you have to swing at a lot of pitches.

And not put them in play...:D

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:27 PM
And they have also refused about five walks.

You do realize that hitters don't have the benefit of actually seeing how a pitch turns out prior to making a decision about whether to swing or not?

:dunno:

CTA513
08-21-2006, 09:28 PM
In august Pettite has an ERA ~2 with now 38Ks in 32IP.

He also only walked 5 batters in that time and has already walked 3 today.

dsmith421
08-21-2006, 09:29 PM
And there's also the fact that with an absolute clown like Bucknor behind the plate any pitch not thrown into the on-deck circle could be called a strike.

CB's a real circus act. He should've been canned years ago.

TheBigLebowski
08-21-2006, 09:29 PM
Surprise surprise - another K.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:29 PM
You do realize that hitters don't have the benefit of actually seeing how a pitch turns out prior to making a decision about whether to swing or not?

:dunno:

Yes I understand that; I'm not an idiot.

The Reds are swinging at pitches tonight that are no where near the strikezone. For example, Dunn swung at a pitch around his eyes. Freel has chased a couple of pitches near the dirt.

MrCinatit
08-21-2006, 09:31 PM
Who was the last Reds player to have a HR in their 1st ML plate appearance?

My guess...Paul Householder

Ted Tappe.
I knew it all the time...yeah...that's it...I knew the answer all the time. That's the picture. ;)

reds44
08-21-2006, 09:31 PM
Who was the last Reds player to have a HR in their 1st ML plate appearance?

My guess...Paul Householder
I know Deno's first hit was a homer, not sure if it was his 1st PA.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:33 PM
90 pitches for Pettitte through 4.
13 pitch inning for him.

RedFanAlways1966
08-21-2006, 09:33 PM
I know Deno's first hit was a homer, not sure if it was his 1st PA.

I think Paul Moskau (starting pitcher) also had a HR as his first hit. Not positive though!

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:33 PM
Seven baserunners in three innings and no runs is borderline amazing.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:33 PM
CB's a real circus act. He should've been canned years ago.

Can't do that...Al Sharpten would be marching down Pete Rose Way:laugh:

CTA513
08-21-2006, 09:34 PM
Surprise surprise - another K.

It took him 90 pitches to complete 4 innings.

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:35 PM
Yes I understand that; I'm not an idiot.



Other famous quotes:

Nixon: "I am not a crook".

Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations".

Bear: "I did not poop in the woods".

:laugh:

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:35 PM
Other famous quotes:

Nixon: "I am not a crook".

Clinton: "I did not have sexual relations".

Bear: "I did not poop in the woods".

:laugh:

Almost funny. Keep trying.

Calling someone an idiot is now legal on RZ?

CTA513
08-21-2006, 09:37 PM
Seven baserunners in three innings and no runs is borderline amazing.

Pettitte should take Bucknor to dinner for giving him those low strikes to get ahead of hitters.

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 09:38 PM
Almost funny. Keep trying.

Calling someone an idiot is now legal on RZ?

Relax, ya'll.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:38 PM
Almost funny. Keep trying.

Calling someone an idiot is now legal on RZ?

Depends on who you are. I got a warning for typing %%%%. No lie. They said it was meant to be cursing.

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:39 PM
Almost funny. Keep trying.

Calling someone an idiot is now legal on RZ?

Didn't your Dad teach you not to lead with your chin?

I thought you had a sense of humour?

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 09:39 PM
Pettitte should take Bucknor to dinner for giving him those low strikes to get ahead of hitters.

CB Bucknor is the worst ump in MLB. Forget balls and strikes--he always misses a critical call in a game, at least once.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:39 PM
Depends on who you are. I got a warning for typing %%%%. No lie. They said it was meant to be cursing.

The mods do a great job on this board, and I agree that masked profanity should not be allowed.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:40 PM
Didn't your Dad teach you not to lead with your chin?

I thought you had a sense of humour?

I lead with my thong.

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:41 PM
I lead with my thong.

:barf:

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:41 PM
I lead with my thong.

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

:mooner:

MrCinatit
08-21-2006, 09:43 PM
I lead with my thong.

I will never be able to eat solid foods again.

reds44
08-21-2006, 09:43 PM
Depends on who you are. I got a warning for typing %%%%. No lie. They said it was meant to be cursing.
I've got warned for things worse (or better depending how you look at it) then that.

I think the mods do a good job though.

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 09:43 PM
:barf:

Is that the "Ryan Freel at 4AM" smiley?

:D

reds44
08-21-2006, 09:44 PM
Griffey was really busting down the line........

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:44 PM
amazing. Have a guy with the pitch issues and GIDP on the first pitch.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:45 PM
A picture is worth a 1000 words.

:mooner:

http://www.dreamedia.co.nz/blog/uploaded_images/quagmire-731058.JPG

CTA513
08-21-2006, 09:45 PM
Griffey helped Pettitte out by swinging at the first pitch.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:46 PM
Griffey helped Pettitte out by swinging at the first pitch.gave him two outs. That was really dumb

oneupper
08-21-2006, 09:46 PM
I thought there was no way Pettitte could last more than 5. Now he'll go 7 at least.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:46 PM
Argh. That was a pivotal inning there. :cry:

CTA513
08-21-2006, 09:47 PM
gave him two outs. That was really dumb

They had him at 90 pitches to start the inning and he swings at the first pitch when they have a chance to have this be his last inning. He is now at 100 and will likely go 1 more inning.

:help:

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:47 PM
This game reminds me of Friday's game against Paul Maholm. The Reds had plenty of opportunities to score a bunch of runs early in the game and they failed, and ultimately lost the game. Tonight's game appears to be going down the same path.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:48 PM
Griffey helped Pettitte out by swinging at the first pitch.

I'm sorry but the guy is not that game savy. After 2 straight walks, he will swing at the first pitch, we've seen stuff like that all year. If we don't make the playoffs, one of the reasons will be Jr. batting 3rd everyday after the all-star break.

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:49 PM
This game reminds me of Friday's game against Paul Maholm. The Reds had plenty of opportunities to score a bunch of runs early in the game and they failed, and ultimately lost the game. Tonight's game appears to be going down the same path.

Reds got 6 runs vs. Maholm. Snell pitched Friday, and we got 2 runs off of him.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:49 PM
that great Pirate team that lit up the Reds Fri/Sat has 3 hits and 10Ks thru 8 innings tonight

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 09:49 PM
Clayton--Lopez like comfort at short...

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 09:49 PM
Nice catch Dunn...

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 09:50 PM
Reds got 6 runs vs. Maholm. Snell pitched Friday, and we got 2 runs off of him.

That's who I meant.

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 09:52 PM
Crap. Clayton NEVER makes that play--I'm breathin'.

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:52 PM
that great Pirate team that lit up the Reds Fri/Sat has 3 hits and 10Ks thru 8 innings tonight

Pitchers like Smoltz (and Harang) have a tendency to do that.

Pitchers like Michalak don't.

Falls City Beer
08-21-2006, 09:52 PM
phew.

reds44
08-21-2006, 09:53 PM
Pitchers like Smoltz (and Harang) have a tendency to do that.

Pitchers like Michalak don't.
Michalak is terrible. If Krivsky lets him start another game I will flip.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:53 PM
Pitchers like Smoltz (and Harang) have a tendency to do that.

Pitchers like Michalak don't.or Milton. Yet the Reds will have to continue to run them out there. I am not optimistic.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:54 PM
Michalak is terrible. If Krivsky lets him start another game I will flip.prepare to perform gymnastics.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:54 PM
that first pitch was the pitch Dunn

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 09:55 PM
or Milton. Yet the Reds will have to continue to run them out there. I am not optimistic.

It's basically the same pitchers we've run out all year.

The Cards run out Marquis, Suppan, Reyes and Weaver. Ponson before that. And Mulder is comong back. That's wall to wall 5 ERA plus guys.

It's not like we have cornered the market on bad pitching.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:58 PM
Dunn needs a personal hitting coach. With his money he could hire one. 148 K's for the year so far. On pace for 180 ish

flyer85
08-21-2006, 09:58 PM
hmmm, will Arroyo get to hit?

George Foster
08-21-2006, 09:59 PM
Aurilla is the only one who came to play tonight.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:03 PM
Great at bat by Ross.

reds44
08-21-2006, 10:06 PM
Get a run!

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:06 PM
Springer own's the Reds...:bang:

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:06 PM
likely the 2 most important AB coming up

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:07 PM
Hollyingsworth in the dugout with a bat:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

MaineRed
08-21-2006, 10:08 PM
Griffey was really busting down the line........

Ken would like to know where you work, he's interested in coming down and observing for awhile.

vaticanplum
08-21-2006, 10:08 PM
Springer own's the Reds...:bang:

My top three most disliked Astros:

1. Russ Springer
2. Phil Garner
3. Lance Berkman

MaineRed
08-21-2006, 10:08 PM
Hollyingsworth in the dugout with a bat:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sort of like certain posters with keyboards.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

reds44
08-21-2006, 10:09 PM
Phillips is starting to aggervate me.

vaticanplum
08-21-2006, 10:10 PM
Crap I forgot Morgan Ensberg. I dislike him as well.

MaineRed
08-21-2006, 10:11 PM
Phillips is starting to aggervate me.

Starting to flusterate me too!

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 10:11 PM
This offense is horrible.

Phillips swung at ball four, but in a way I'm glad he did because I would have hated to watch them strand the bases loaded again.

reds44
08-21-2006, 10:12 PM
What did Javy do? I looked away for a minute and mlb.tv went to break.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 10:12 PM
Valentin with a great atbat.

:beerme:

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 10:12 PM
Hollyingsworth in the dugout with a bat:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hey-don't criticize him for being a team player...

I'm sure Hatteberg appreciates him getting his bat for him.

dsmith421
08-21-2006, 10:12 PM
Lined to first on the first pitch.

It just ain't our night.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:13 PM
What did Javy do? I looked away for a minute and mlb.tv went to break.

Line drive to first...

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 10:13 PM
Valentin with a great atbat.

:beerme:

But he didn't "come to play".

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 10:14 PM
Rheality TV on Fox.

vaticanplum
08-21-2006, 10:14 PM
Arroyo seems to follow a real pattern of giving up a clunker or two early before settling down. He pitched pretty well tonight. So it's very important that the Reds' offense turns up mid-to-late game when he's pitching. It's absolutely pathetic if the Reds manage to pitch ok against the Astros only to lose on offense.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:15 PM
Will Ledge get to pitch with only a 2 run lead?

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 10:16 PM
Huff. deep.

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:16 PM
Cormier....instant offense:thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 10:16 PM
Will Ledge get to pitch with only a 2 run lead?

Probably. Lance Berkman could shut this offense down tonight.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:16 PM
The Elf sure is good. I wonder if he can get an extension thru 2008. I suppose he doesn't have the best ERA in the NL anymore

dsmith421
08-21-2006, 10:17 PM
Rheality TV on Fox.

Rheality Bites

vaticanplum
08-21-2006, 10:17 PM
Crap I forgot Adam everett! I hate all the Astros!!

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 10:17 PM
Is Cormier the guy who had a pulled butt?

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 10:18 PM
I predict an Astros sweep.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:18 PM
Is Cormier the guy who had a pulled butt?and the Frenchie acquired in a very dumb trade.

CTA513
08-21-2006, 10:19 PM
Cormier only gave up 1 run that inning.

:beerme:

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:19 PM
I predict an Astros sweep.

I hope you just jinxed them...:D

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:20 PM
phiilies whipping the cubs tonight. With the current condition of the NL East they look better everyday.

Wheelhouse
08-21-2006, 10:20 PM
No one liked my "Rheality TV" joke... :(

OnBaseMachine
08-21-2006, 10:21 PM
I hope you just jinxed them...:D

I do too, but with Hirsch going tomorrow (rookies typically own the Reds), and Michalak pitching Wednesday, I just don't see the Reds winning a game in this series.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:21 PM
Cormier only gave up 1 run that inning.

:beerme:I have no doubt that Germano could have added a lot more to the team the Cormier.

vaticanplum
08-21-2006, 10:21 PM
No one liked my "Rheality TV" joke... :(

I enjoyed the phrase "pulled butt" myself. Subtler.

oneupper
08-21-2006, 10:22 PM
No one liked my "Rheality TV" joke... :(

There, there...I liked it...:)

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:22 PM
No one liked my "Rheality TV" joke... :(

No ones in a real good mood tonight. I had a pretty good Al Sharpton joke as well.

PuffyPig
08-21-2006, 10:22 PM
I predict an Astros sweep.

:dunno:

oneupper
08-21-2006, 10:23 PM
Now we get Qualls, Wheeler and their truckload of heat.

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:23 PM
Reds better win tomorrow.

I have a feeling the Oswalt/Michalak matchup is unlikely to go in the Reds favor.

dsmith421
08-21-2006, 10:23 PM
this is amateurish

an atrocious performance at the dish today

redsmetz
08-21-2006, 10:25 PM
this is amateurish

an atrocious performance at the dish today

Listen up, Reds. It simple. See the Ball, hit the Ball

http://hometown.aol.com/pliving696/images/suddenimpact.bmp

George Foster
08-21-2006, 10:26 PM
this is amateurish

an atrocious performance at the dish today

I went to the Pirate series. I could not help but think that our 1-4 does not compair to their 1-4, which is very very good.

redsrule2500
08-21-2006, 10:27 PM
oh joy ryan franklin

flyer85
08-21-2006, 10:27 PM
What's Franklin doing out there? The game isn't on the line.