Aug. 30th, 2006 CIN v. LAD .. *Fingers Crossed*

[RedLegSuperStar]

Cincinnati Reds
Lineup
Name Season/vs AVG HR RBI
Ryan Freel RF Season .280 7 24
vs. pitcher .333 0 0
Adam Dunn LF Season .249 38 87
vs. pitcher .333 1 1
Rich Aurilia 2B Season .289 19 53
vs. pitcher .000 0 0
Ken Griffey Jr. CF Season .256 26 69
vs. pitcher .125 0 0
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .293 14 67
vs. pitcher .286 0 2
Scott Hatteberg 1B Season .304 13 46
vs. pitcher .143 1 1
Royce Clayton SS Season .301 15 66
vs. pitcher .000 0 0
Jason LaRue C Season .173 5 17
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Aaron Harang P Season .143 0 2
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name Season/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA
Aaron Harang P Season 13 9 0 3.67
vs. Dodgers 0 0 0 ---

Los Angeles Dodgers
Lineup
Name Season/vs AVG HR RBI
Rafael Furcal SS Season .283 8 48
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Kenny Lofton CF Season .308 2 30
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Julio Lugo 2B Season .234 0 6
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
J.D. Drew RF Season .276 14 76
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Nomar Garciaparra 1B Season .316 14 69
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Andre Ethier LF Season .335 11 53
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Wilson Betemit 3B Season .271 15 42
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Russell Martin C Season .286 8 51
vs. pitcher --- 0 0
Greg Maddux P Season .113 0 5
vs. pitcher --- 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name Season/vs Wins Losses Saves ERA
Greg Maddux P Season 11 11 0 4.25
vs. Reds 4 0 0 2.35

[George Foster]

Well is Phillips in or out????

[RedsMan3203]

B-Phil is out, Marc wouldn't post false information... would he?

[RedLegSuperStar]

Actually.. that was off of USAtoday.com

I'm guessing Aurilla is at 2nd with Clayton at SS

[RedLegSuperStar]

updated.. if theres a differance let me know

[flyer85]

really hard to fathom Javy not playing against Maddux, who he has torched in the past.

[RedsMan3203]

JD just said he was out..

Aurilla moves to 2nd, and Clayton gets the start at SS.

[alloverjr]

I don't like LaRue. Tell Harang to suck it up. There, I said it.

[George Foster]

JD just said he was out..

Aurilla moves to 2nd, and Clayton gets the start at SS.

Ah...another O'fer for Clayton with 4 ground balls and at least 1 inning ending double play:thumbdown

People were laughing out load at me today for wearing my pants AGAIN. We have to win tonight...

[GridironGrace]

Lets go REDS!!!!!!!

[RedsMan3203]

When he was in on the trade... I wasn't against him much... I didn't want much from him other then soild D. That hasn't happened...

And when i've got to watch him play - he has been horrible... I don't like him, or how he goes about the game.

Clayton that is.

[Matt700wlw]

If LaRue goes hitless tonight, he goes the entire month of August without a hit.

Another reason to drink. :all_cohol:

[Falls City Beer]

Maddux throws strikes.

Reds' kryptonite.

[flyer85]

If LaRue goes hitless tonight, he goes the entire month of August without a hit.
a lot Narron decisions, like not playing Javy tonight, continue to be baffling

[RedLegSuperStar]

LA sure does have a speedy lineup

[MartyFan]

I am staying up for this one again...we gotta do something here...this team has got to pull out of this funk and they have to do it TONIGHT...I can't imagine them going to SD and playing any better if they don't start something tonight...oh yeah...they have to destroy these guys tonight....DESTROY THEM!!!!

[George Foster]

We have to take some pitches and get to Maddux early. Wait for the 82mph cheese!!!

[Matt700wlw]

a lot Narron decisions, like not playing Javy tonight, continue to be baffling

So does the idea of "personal catcher" in the late part of the year while fighting for a playoff spot.

[RedLegSuperStar]

wow.. we've been upgraded here at Redszone.com

[George Foster]

So does the idea of "personal catcher" in the late part of the year while fighting for a playoff spot.

I said this 2 weeks ago and you would have thought I questioned God. Tell Harrang to get over it and pitch. Ross will start EVERYGAME.

This line-up has no chance when 1/3 of it will not get a hit. 7,8,9.

Do I hope I'm wrong...sure. What are the odds of me being wrong?

[GridironGrace]

man o man.. when do you draw the line on Larue.

anyways didnt he have a hit last time he played? thought for sure he did. Nope never mind.. looked.. 0-2

sorry Larue.. but you shouldnt be in the lineup other than a PH for all of sept unless you give me a reason why 2nite.

[George Foster]

If we do not win tonight...we go O'fer against the dreaded Dodgers. Maddux is due to get the crap kicked out of him like the last two months he pitched in Chicago:beerme:

[GridironGrace]

He's been rocked a bit in his last 2 starts but still doesnt have a loss as a dodger

[Puffy]

I got a feeling Griffey goes yard tonight.

[GridironGrace]

Maddox is 4-0 against the Reds this season as a cub and a dodger just checked my excel spread ive filled out all season

[GridironGrace]

http://www.wbvi.com/


Working live feed of the night

[GridironGrace]

HERE WE GO REDS!!!!!!

Start us off Freel!!

[George Foster]

I got a feeling Griffey goes yard tonight.

Let's hope it matters. He really has not been that productive during the hitting streak. Not his fault, just bad luck. A 2 run homerun is a lot more productive in a one run game, than a 2 run homerun in a blow out either way.

[GridironGrace]

Freel:

Called Strike
Foul
Ball

Freel Grounds out

Dunner up(dunno how long i can do PBP)

[George Foster]

Dunn is on the ball:beerme: Got robbed at second but a good sign.

[GridironGrace]

Dunner grounds out first pitch to the shift
rich batting

[flyer85]

Dunner grounds out ??

It was a rocket line drive

[GridironGrace]

Aurilia: 2 outs 0 on

Called Strike
Ball
Foul
Foul
Ball

Ground ball off maddux straight to betimet... Aurilia out 3 up 3 down

Bot half coming

[GridironGrace]

??

It was a rocket line drive

sry im on a bit of a delay and had sent it already

[GridironGrace]

WE do have one thing going for us.. both bullpens have been used quite a bit latley and maddux is a 5-6 innings pitcher now... PER marty

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn kicks the ball around and Furcal heads to second.

Wow.

[VR]

A double :laugh:

rrrright

[Matt700wlw]

WE do have one thing going for us.. both bullpens have been used quite a bit latley and maddux is a 5-6 innings pitcher now... PER marty


Unless he pitches like he did not to long ago against the Giants....8 innings and 68 pitches

[GridironGrace]

Single on first pitch by furcal.. dunn boots it? for an error furcal to 2nd

scored a 2B

[CTA513]

Dunn kicks the ball around and Furcal heads to second.

Wow.

The Reds continue to help out the other team.

[George Foster]

Dunn is not playing like it matters...got to keep your concentration. Phillips error in the 1st cost us last night

[RedsMan3203]

Dunn kicks the ball around and Furcal heads to second.

Wow.

Its just one of those trips!

[Cedric]

At this pace there might be five page game threads in two weeks.

Unless Homer comes up :)

[REDREAD]

I am staying up for this one again...we gotta do something here...this team has got to pull out of this funk and they have to do it TONIGHT...I can't imagine them going to SD and playing any better if they don't start something tonight...oh yeah...they have to destroy these guys tonight....DESTROY THEM!!!!


Right on, I'm up with you.. Eventually we'll get a win out of it :laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

This is starting pretty appropriately considering how bad this week has been...

[GridironGrace]

Lofton: man on 2B, 0 outs

Foul Bunt
Called strike
ball
ball
ball
foul 3-2
2nd ball in dirt lofton walks

hey i gotta run a bit :( ill be back ASAP

GOOOO REDS!!!!!

[George Foster]

Its just one of those trips!

it's the trip that seperates contenders from pretenders...

[Falls City Beer]

Aaron is wearing down badly for the second straight season.

Might want to hold up on that LTC.

[edabbs44]

Not a promising beginning. Dunn looked like he was playing out the season in KC on that Furcal hit.

[George Foster]

Dodgers doing the little things to win. Taking the extra base, hitting the otherway, sacrificing.

[REDREAD]

Good news is that the Cards are leading the Marlins, and the Giants lost.
Bad news is that Philly and SD have already won.

[RedsMan3203]

Aaron is wearing down badly for the second straight season.

Might want to hold up on that LTC.


But, would you say that this year has been his biggest/toughest work load of his carrer?

[Falls City Beer]

But, would you say that this year has been his biggest/toughest work load of his carrer?


Yes.

[REDREAD]

Drew K's

[RedsMan3203]

Great Pitch Harrang.

Drew K's swinging....


2 down.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice pitch to get Drew

[George Foster]

pitch count in the 1st for Harrang has been huge lately

[REDREAD]

Harang gets out of the inning unharmed as Nomar flies out.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice comeback to get them out.

[RedsMan3203]

Yes.

Then, I have no problems with this "wearing" down this year.. as long as next year his arm is better, and can last out Narron's stupid decisons when it comes to leaving starters in.

[George Foster]

We got away with one there...Dunn's boot did not come back to hurt us for a change.

[LincolnparkRed]

Must be weird for our guys not to be down after the 1st inning.

[REDREAD]

Must be weird for our guys not to be down after the 1st inning.

:laugh: That's a good point.. Let's hope it loosens them up a little bit and we actually get a lead.

[RedsMan3203]

Speaking of bulpens innings pitched from last night; atleast Franklin is fresh...

[George Foster]

Then, I have no problems with this "wearing" down this year.. as long as next year his arm is better, and can last out Narron's stupid decisons when it comes to leaving starters in.

He could be in better shape. I've not seen him without his shirt:laugh: but it looks like he could lose 10-15 pounds.

[RedsMan3203]

Yes.


He could be in better shape. I've not seen him without his shirt:laugh: but it looks like he could lose 10-15 pounds.

I don't think any of us want to see him with his shirt off... The word hairy comes to mind...

[George Foster]

Here we go!!!

[RedsMan3203]

And, I have no clue where/how I got FCB's quote in there... but yeah... :p

[flyer85]

at least they have found a couple of holes this inning, especially after two bullet outs in the first

[REDREAD]

Crap, yet another DP.

[RedsMan3203]

Here we go!!!

There it goes.

[George Foster]

God, hatty....

[flyer85]

first pitch DP ... nice

[REDREAD]

Speaking of bulpens innings pitched from last night; atleast Franklin is fresh...

I'm going to scream if we have the lead or a tie and Franklin comes in.

[MartyFan]

Clayton is going to go deep.....

[RedsMan3203]

I'm going to scream if we have the lead or a tie and Franklin comes in.

Hope you have thick walls and no body home.... :evil:

[George Foster]

Clayton is a waste of a good ML uniform.

[edabbs44]

He could be in better shape. I've not seen him without his shirt:laugh: but it looks like he could lose 10-15 pounds.

He and Dunn use the same trainer.

Another phenomenal offensive performance.

[RedsMan3203]

Clayton is going to go deep.....

Deep....

[flyer85]

Clayton is going to go deep.....it did make it halfway to the pitcher

[MartyFan]

That's right..Clayton went deep into the ground right in front of the plate...Let it be said....Let it be written!

[REDREAD]

Hope you have thick walls and no body home.... :evil:


You guys are going to hear it all the way in Cincy if I yell.. I am that mad at him.

[OnBaseMachine]

Amazing how bad this offense is compared to what it was in 2005 and April of 2006.

[flyer85]

Hatty is delivering a repeat of August 2005, they better hope they don't get Sept 2005 as well.

[REDREAD]

Amazing how bad this offense is compared to what is was in 2005 and April of 2006.

Remember, bullpen is 100X more important than offense :rolleyes:

[RedsMan3203]

Amazing how bad this offense is compared to what is was in 2005 and April of 2006.

April was a speical month.... I really don't think we could expect anything like that on a regular basic. Or should we?

[flyer85]

Remember, bullpen is 100X more important than offense :rolleyes:without a doubt

[George Foster]

Deep....

like Deep Throat...they both suck:laugh:

[RedsMan3203]

Frickin' LaRue.

Put Ross in there, and keep him in there....

I feel sorry for LaRue - but crap when something like that happens it just makes me wanna :bang: and go do database homework.


Harrang K's the batter and the guy was stealing. The ball slips out of LaRue's hand and the runner is safe at 2nd.

[George Foster]

Second straight start for LaRue that he dropped a ball when attempting a throw to second.

[George Foster]

Frickin' LaRue.

Put Ross in there, and keep him in there....

I feel sorry for LaRue - but crap when something like that happens it just makes me wanna :bang: and go do database homework.


Harrang K's the batter and the guy was stealing. The ball slips out of LaRue's hand and the runner is safe at 2nd.

Managers that feel sorry for their players don't manage in the post season

[REDREAD]

Hal and Marty are saying that Maj is close to being activated. He's pitching tonight, to see if he can pitch back to back nights.

[RedsMan3203]

Wow, Clayton got to a line drive.

[REDREAD]

OMG, Maddux with an RBI...

[OnBaseMachine]

Maddux RBI single.

This team is bad. Very bad.

[George Foster]

this is comical:laugh:

[REDREAD]

The makings of another depressing night :(

[RedsMan3203]

Lovely.... Lovely....

Maddux hits a single up the middle and runner scores from 2nd. Maddux moves to 2nd on the throw to the plate.

[Matt700wlw]

That right there sums up this road trip.

[flyer85]

Hal and Marty are saying that Maj is close to being activated. He's pitching tonight, to see if he can pitch back to back nights.well, that should solve all the problems

[RedsMan3203]

After 2

Blues 1 - Reds 0

[OnBaseMachine]

I don't even get angry now... all I can do is laugh.

[flyer85]

Harrang K's the batter and the guy was stealing. The ball slips out of LaRue's hand and the runner is safe at 2nd.if Larue isn't going to slow the running game he has no reason for being

[REDREAD]

well, that should solve all the problems

:laugh:

[Elam]

Hal and Marty are saying that Maj is close to being activated. He's pitching tonight, to see if he can pitch back to back nights.

Already pitched I believe, started actually IIRC.
1 IP 2H 0 R

[George Foster]

if Larue isn't going to slow the running game he has no reason for being

If he catches that ball, Maddux is out at 2nd. However the leadoff batter is retired.

[edabbs44]

Hal and Marty are saying that Maj is close to being activated. He's pitching tonight, to see if he can pitch back to back nights.

I guess Wayne had a good argument vs Bowden...

[REDREAD]

Houston and Milwaukee 0-0 at the bottom of the 9th.

[CTA513]

Harang at 37 pitches after 2 innings.
Maddux at 23 pitches after 2 innings.

[Reds Nd2]

Managers that feel sorry for their players don't manage in the post season

They don't manage in the Major Leagues either.

[RedsMan3203]

LaRue grounds into the hole at SS and Furcal just slowly picks the ball up and throws it to 1st to get LaRue by 3 steps.

[REDREAD]

Already pitched I believe, started actually IIRC.
1 IP 2H 0 R

Ok, I think they meant he will pitch tommorrow.. Unless he pitched yesterday.

It's kind of hard to understand Hal with the occasional static. Did anyone catch it more accurately?

[flyer85]

if the Reds keep trying to pull Maddux it will not be pretty

[RedsMan3203]

Harrang pops out to 2nd base.

[George Foster]

still O'fer August...ANOTHER week ground ball to the left side...clueless

[edabbs44]

They don't manage in the Major Leagues either.

The do manage, however, in Little League. Get everyone in the game.

[REDREAD]

I guess Wayne had a good argument vs Bowden...

Yeah, it turns out he was hurt that badly after all.

[edabbs44]

still O'fer August...ANOTHER week ground ball to the left side...clueless

I thought he was a 2nd half guy...:devil:

[CTA513]

It looks like Maddux shouldnt have to throw many pitches tonight.

[George Foster]

They don't manage in the Major Leagues either.

They do for the oldest team in baseball:thumbdown

[RedsMan3203]

Freeeel K's.

Inning Ovah.

Someone Meet Freel at Paul Brown - the tourch is getting passed over to the Bengals.

[Aronchis]

Freel with a nice 215 average for August.

[flyer85]

with the current lineup, unless they get a HR the Reds could easily get shutout tonight

[George Foster]

Freeeel K's.

Inning Ovah.

Someone Meet Freel at Paul Brown - the tourch is getting passed over to the Bengals.

It was passed after Palmers performance Monday night...:beerme:

[edabbs44]

Freel with a nice 215 average for August.

4 games a week....4 games a week.

[RedsMan3203]

It was passed after Palmers performance Monday night...:beerme:

That it was... But i've been holding out hope... But the fuel is starting to run dry.... Time to get a refil and pass it on.

[George Foster]

with the current lineup, unless they get a HR the Reds could easily get shutout tonight

when the bottom 1/3 of your line-up has no chance to hit, your fighting an up hill battle.

[Reds Nd2]

They do for the oldest team in baseball:thumbdown

Ummm...no they don't despite the protestations from RedsZone.

[CTA513]

Freeeel K's.

Inning Ovah.

Someone Meet Freel at Paul Brown - the tourch is getting passed over to the Bengals.

I didnt think Freel struck out much and then I looked at his stats on the Reds website and hes struck out 80 times this year.

:eek:

[RedsMan3203]

Harrang just had a 1-2-3 inning.... Don't know wher I was.. but its over...

Here comes the Reds.

[Edskin]

The whole Bengals thing was really striking to me this past Monday. I am not a Cincy guy--no ties to the area, and for the two of you who don't know, I am a Redskins fan, not a Bengals fan. So this observation comes w/o bias.

I saw that sellout crowd for a pre-season game the other night and I saw the graphic that all of their games are sold out. But more importantly, I "felt" that crowd. I "felt" the excitement from my couch. That is a fanbase that really cares right now.

Clearly, the Reds are second fiddle to pre-season football in Cincy despite the "playoff race." Our crowds are still so-so and sometimes worse. I still believe Cincy has great baseball fans, but saying the Bengals have surpassed them is quite the understatement.

And this in a year where the Reds are "overachieving." Castellini and company have more competition right now than the other teams in the NL.

[Aronchis]

The whole Bengals thing was really striking to me this past Monday. I am not a Cincy guy--no ties to the area, and for the two of you who don't know, I am a Redskins fan, not a Bengals fan. So this observation comes w/o bias.

I saw that sellout crowd for a pre-season game the other night and I saw the graphic that all of their games are sold out. But more importantly, I "felt" that crowd. I "felt" the excitement from my couch. That is a fanbase that really cares right now.

Clearly, the Reds are second fiddle to pre-season football in Cincy despite the "playoff race." Our crowds are still so-so and sometimes worse. I still believe Cincy has great baseball fans, but saying the Bengals have surpassed them is quite the understatement.

And this in a year where the Reds are "overachieving." Castellini and company have more competition right now than the other teams in the NL.

When the Bengals start out 0-2=desertion

[Matt700wlw]

When the Bengals start out 0-2=desertion

Not with what everything Marvin has done to turn the tide...not with the how this team has re-invented itself in 3 years.

Who says they'll start out 0-2? :D

[Edskin]

BTW, I'm picking the Bengals to win the AFC.

[RedsMan3203]

Maddux looked so bad on that play when he was laying on the ground.

Richy on 1st after the infield single type of hit.

[LincolnparkRed]

When the Bengals start out 0-2=desertion

I had been going to the same bar here in Chicago b/c the said they would showcase the Bengals game, let me say the bandwagon was getting pretty full come December

[Aronchis]

Not with what everything Marvin has done to turn the tide...

Who says they'll start out 0-2? :D

In today's NFL, a couple of bad breaks, freak play can put you in a hole fast. Running it up on teams and showing a bunch of your playbook this early is dangerous. The Bengals are already getting a "thug rep" under Lewis, that doesn't go down well with other franchises.

[REDREAD]

And this in a year where the Reds are "overachieving." Castellini and company have more competition right now than the other teams in the NL.

I agree with that. However, Cast has a lot of wounds to heal from the Strike, and Lindner/Allen's con job. At least he realizes that he has to put a winning team on the field (or at least he says that, time will tell what he actually does about it, but I'm hopeful).

[RedsMan3203]

Maddux is killing us...

[Matt700wlw]

Reds out again.

Yawn.

[George Foster]

The whole Bengals thing was really striking to me this past Monday. I am not a Cincy guy--no ties to the area, and for the two of you who don't know, I am a Redskins fan, not a Bengals fan. So this observation comes w/o bias.

I saw that sellout crowd for a pre-season game the other night and I saw the graphic that all of their games are sold out. But more importantly, I "felt" that crowd. I "felt" the excitement from my couch. That is a fanbase that really cares right now.

Clearly, the Reds are second fiddle to pre-season football in Cincy despite the "playoff race." Our crowds are still so-so and sometimes worse. I still believe Cincy has great baseball fans, but saying the Bengals have surpassed them is quite the understatement.

And this in a year where the Reds are "overachieving." Castellini and company have more competition right now than the other teams in the NL.

your right. Ohio is a football state. Ohio State, Highschool football is huge. I went to the Bengals Colts game last year. It was electric. Reminded me of game 1 in 1990, and it was a regular season game.

[edabbs44]

When the Bengals start out 0-2=desertion

Then everyone will say that the fans don't typically show up until Election Day. And then Election Day rolls around and they say that they don't trust the history of the team and they'll wait until the first day of Hannukah to see if the team is still in it. Then the owners will sell half price tix and $1 foam fingers to get fans in the seats, even though they are 1 game out of first.

BTW, Griffey kind of wears on me.

[flyer85]

Reds continue to try and pull the pitch on the outside corner. It really is turning into high comedy

[flyer85]

Maddux is killing us...Reds are killing themselves. You have to be content with hitting the outside pitch the other way otherwise you beat it in the ground

[RedsMan3203]

Reds out again.

Yawn.

Tired from last night are yah?

[Matt700wlw]

In today's NFL, a couple of bad breaks, freak play can put you in a hole fast. Running it up on teams and showing a bunch of your playbook this early is dangerous. The Bengals are already getting a "thug rep" under Lewis, that doesn't go down well with other franchises.

I would guess they're being pretty vanilla in the preseason as teams are in the NFL.

Palmer may have done a little more, with his no huddle, but he had to test himself....and he aced it.

[CTA513]

Then everyone will say that the fans don't typically show up until Election Day. And then Election Day rolls around and they say that they don't trust the history of the team and they'll wait until the first day of Hannukah to see if the team is still in it. Then the owners will sell half price tix and $1 foam fingers to get fans in the seats, even though they are 1 game out of first.

BTW, Griffey kind of wears on me.

Hard to sell half price tickets when they are already sold out.

:devil:

[OldRightHander]

Reds are killing themselves. You have to be content with hitting the outside pitch the other way otherwise you beat it in the ground

And as long as they continue to do that, he'll continue to throw it out there. He's not dumb.

[CTA513]

Reds continue to try and pull the pitch on the outside corner. It really is turning into high comedy

Maddux is cruising along with 42 pitches in 4 innings.

[edabbs44]

Hard to sell half price tickets when they are already sold out.

:devil:

Very true...but you get the point.:)

[Cyclone792]

The whole Bengals thing was really striking to me this past Monday. I am not a Cincy guy--no ties to the area, and for the two of you who don't know, I am a Redskins fan, not a Bengals fan. So this observation comes w/o bias.

I saw that sellout crowd for a pre-season game the other night and I saw the graphic that all of their games are sold out. But more importantly, I "felt" that crowd. I "felt" the excitement from my couch. That is a fanbase that really cares right now.

Clearly, the Reds are second fiddle to pre-season football in Cincy despite the "playoff race." Our crowds are still so-so and sometimes worse. I still believe Cincy has great baseball fans, but saying the Bengals have surpassed them is quite the understatement.

And this in a year where the Reds are "overachieving." Castellini and company have more competition right now than the other teams in the NL.

And the reason you can feel the excitement is ...


BTW, I'm picking the Bengals to win the AFC.

Stated by yourself ;)

The Bengals won the division last season, reached the playoffs, and many people really believe we'd have gone deep in the playoffs if it wasn't for Palmer's knee injury. This season the team is arguably better, and despite a very tough schedule, reaching the playoffs this season is a complete expectation, and many fans believe this team could reach and win the Super Bowl.

Put the Reds in that same situation, and I think you'd feel a similar excitement. For the Reds, it would be the equivalent of winning a division one season with 90+ wins, having a freak injury happen to an important player and then losing in the NLDS, but coming back next season with an expectation to win 100 games, grab an NL Pennant and go for a World Series.

[flyer85]

Welsh explains Ethier is a first pitch fastball hitter ...then Harnag give him one and he singles on a first pitch fastball

[George Foster]

As Welch says this guy is batting .420 on the first pitch. Harrang grooves one down the middle. Thanks for the scouting report Hume.

[REDREAD]

Great, just great.. another run, another bonehead play on defense.

[OldRightHander]

That was ugly.

[RedsMan3203]

Why do I get upset?

[George Foster]

I bet Harrang changes his mind about LaRue the next start.:laugh: :laugh:

[alloverjr]

Did I say I don't like LaRue?

[flyer85]

Martin shows what to do with an outside pitch and it went downhill after that.

[Reds4Life]

I hate to say this, because I've really been trying to stay positive, but it sure does feel like the season is slipping away on this road trip. Everything that could go wrong thus far has.

[edabbs44]

Put the Reds in that same situation, and I think you'd feel a similar excitement. For the Reds, it would be the equivalent of winning a division one season with 90+ wins, having a freak injury happen to an important player and then losing in the NLDS, but coming back next season with an expectation to win 100 games, grab an NL Pennant and go for a World Series.

Fans have to realize that there isn't an even playing field in baseball like there is in football. Money helps baseball teams succeed. Money comes in when fans show up. So what comes first, the fans or the success?

[REDREAD]

Harang has to stop the bleeding right here.

[Aronchis]

Crying about the Reds and the Bengals are in two different levels. The Reds are the Bengals circa 2003. The Bengals really weren't a good team that year, but they overachieved to a 8-8 record. What did they go the next year? 8-8.

Whether the Bengals keep it up year after year, is difficult to say, but crying about the Reds during a franchise overhaul, is reaching.

[edabbs44]

Crying about the Reds and the Bengals are in two different levels. The Reds are the Bengals circa 2003. The Bengals really weren't a good team that year, but they overachieved to a 8-8 record. What did they go the next year? 8-8.

Whether the Bengals keep it up year after year, is difficult to say, but crying about the Reds during a franchise overhaul, is reaching.

Overhaul? How has this team ever been overhauled?

[Aronchis]

Overhaul? How has this team ever been overhauled?

Oh, come on edabbs, that is a silly question and you know it.

[George Foster]

Crying about the Reds and the Bengals are in two different levels. The Reds are the Bengals circa 2003. The Bengals really weren't a good team that year, but they overachieved to a 8-8 record. What did they go the next year? 8-8.

Whether the Bengals keep it up year after year, is difficult to say, but crying about the Reds during a franchise overhaul, is reaching.

Yes and no. The Bengals actually have a decent coach, who will make the right moves 9 times out of 10. He plays the best players he has.

[OldXOhio]

I hate to say this, because I've really been trying to stay positive, but it sure does feel like the season is slipping away on this road trip. Everything that could go wrong thus far has.

We're quickly fading in the rear view mirror. This team just doesn't look like a playoff caliber team and you know what, that's okay. I'd just like to see a good September to end what has been a surprisingly better season than most expected.

[edabbs44]

Oh, come on edabbs, that is a silly question and you know it.

Not really. If an overhaul was taking place, RA, Hatte, Jr and Weathers (among others) would be playing elsewhere.

Florida = overhaul

[flyer85]

Harang has to stop the bleeding right here.I think the Dodgers now have what they need for tonight

[Aronchis]

Yes and no. The Bengals actually have a decent coach, who will make the right moves 9 times out of 10. He plays the best players he has.

Who cares about Jerry Narron. Baseball managers are by far the most overrated "coach".

[George Foster]

We can't complain about the pitch calls. Harrang has gotten his share.

[Reds Nd2]

Where is Narron when Hat is getting close to getting tossed?

[Matt700wlw]

Yes and no. The Bengals actually have a decent coach, who will make the right moves 9 times out of 10. He plays the best players he has.

In the situations the benefit their strengths. The starters are starters for a reason, and the bench rotation guys, Nickle/Dime backs, special team specialists are in those positions for a reason.

Some guys only play special teams, and unlike previous Bengals coaches, Marvin Lewis knows the importance of guys like that. He also often time uses special teams play on if guys even make the team.

Marvin does things right. Know your role, shut your mouth, and perform it....if you don't, somebody else will.

[CTA513]

Fans have to realize that there isn't an even playing field in baseball like there is in football. Money helps baseball teams succeed. Money comes in when fans show up. So what comes first, the fans or the success?

Lewis had the Bengals go 8-8 in his first season.
The next season they went 8-8 and tickets were sold out.
Last season the tickets were sold out and they went 11-5.

Bengal fans believed in Lewis after his first season at 8-8.
If the Reds do well this year then more fans might show up next year.

[Aronchis]

Not really. If an overhaul was taking place, RA, Hatte, Jr and Weathers (among others) would be playing elsewhere.

Florida = overhaul

Again, enough edabbs. I am not just talking about the "team", but the organization as a whole. New COO, new GM, it will go all the way down by next winter.

As for the team? That is up to the COO and GM. They may try and build around these players making some cosmetic overturns as they raise spending allocations, or they may do a Marlins. Though the Marlins just got rid of some overrated junk IMO.

Being that the Reds had led the WC for a long time, they had to make a move for it.

[George Foster]

Who cares about Jerry Narron. Baseball managers are by far the most overrated "coach".

your right. Line-ups, pitching moves, calling pitches, steal calls, defensive shifts are overrated.

[CTA513]

Maddux must have hit cruise control and is now at 48 pitches after 5 innings.

:thumbdown

[flyer85]

Reds can't get out of their won way.

Both runs tonight were gifts runs and it isn't getting any better.

[Matt700wlw]

Lewis had the Bengals go 8-8 in his first season.
The next season they went 8-8 and tickets were sold out.
Last season the tickets were sold out and they went 11-5.

Bengal fans believed in Lewis after his first season at 8-8.
If the Reds do well this year then more fans might show up next year.

I believed in Lewis the moment he opened his mouth in his first press conference, when he talked about winning, whatever it takes, and championships. :laugh:

[Aronchis]

your right. Line-ups, pitching moves, calling pitches, steal calls, defensive shifts are overrated.

Yup, and when you lack talent.................

[RedsMan3203]

2003 - Marvin Lewis was named the head choach of the Cincinnati Bengals...

When the season started and got going... No one thought he'd be where he was... NO ONE... He finished 8-8 with a team that has been known to be horrible.


2004 Rolls around, once again.. He names pretty much a rookie the starter even before the season starts after Kitna had a wonderful year... Once again... Lewis goes 8-8 bearly missing the playoffs.


2005 Everything comes together.. You know the story.

What i'm getting at... Even thou its a completely different sport - its the same fricking story.... New "people" come in and bam the Bengals are right there in a playoff race... When they WEREN'T supposed to be.

That is the same as this years Cincinnati Reds team... Give em' time.. We'll all be heart broken like we were in 2003 (most of us, I know some don't follow the Bengals).

[OldRightHander]

Why are all fly balls "bloops?"

[edabbs44]

Again, enough edabbs. I am not just talking about the "team", but the organization as a whole. New COO, new GM, it will go all the way down by next winter.

As for the team? That is up to the COO and GM. They may try and build around these players making some cosmetic overturns as they raise spending allocations, or they may do a Marlins. Though the Marlins just got rid of some overrated junk IMO.

Being that the Reds had led the WC for a long time, they had to make a move for it.

Enough? Thanks for letting me know.

You said that they are currently in a franchise overhaul. I disputed that. Don't get all testy.

[George Foster]

Where is Narron when Hat is getting close to getting tossed?

Harrang has gotten his share of "close" calls tonight too.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm all into this Bengals talk.

I forgot there was an attempt at a baseball game going on.

[George Foster]

Dodgers go the other way again...Freel makes a great play and a better throw.

[Reds Nd2]

"Thrill" throwing strikes tonight.

[flyer85]

Dodgers last night and tonight have down a superior job of hitting balls where they are pitched

[REDREAD]

I think the Dodgers now have what they need for tonight

Possibly, but a 4-0 or a 5-0 lead and it really is hopeless.

And I say that, they score again.

[VR]

Reds have gotten a clinic in hitting the ball the other way on this road trip.

Griff lookin like Woody Fryman out there.

[George Foster]

Griffey.....

[flyer85]

Jr gets a bad jump and completely misplays the ball

[Aronchis]

Enough? Thanks for letting me know.

You said that they are currently in a franchise overhaul. I disputed that. Don't get all testy.

You called me out and never gave a good reason why except we didn't get rid of some "players". I gave a answer why that may be(building around this core with increasing payroll allocations), yet you still say you don't understand what I am saying this is a "franchise" overhaul. Come on.

[REDREAD]

Well 3-0 is within one homerun, so I think there's still some hope. Not looking good though.

[VR]

I got LaRue grounding out to the left side...giving 10 to 1 odds. Any takers?

[alloverjr]

Any other CF catches that standing up. Does management have the guts to make the change next year? I would doubt it.

[Edskin]

Watching Junior in CF is painful. He's gone from "not what he once was" to just awful.

[George Foster]

Jr gets a bad jump and completely misplays the ball

And the Dodgers show absolutely no respect for Jr's arm and send Drew home.

I thought he slide under the tag, but the ball beat him to the plate.

[flyer85]

All the shortcomings have now comed home to roost. We saw a lot of activity but the main problems that this ball club had were mostly ignored despite all the activity

[CTA513]

Jr gets a bad jump and completely misplays the ball

According to gameday they gave Drew a triple.
I guess the scorer must not be paying attention.


Bottom 5TH B:1 S:0 O:2
J. D. Drew triples (5) on a line drive to center fielder Ken GriffeyJr. Julio Lugo scores. Drew out at home on the throw, center fielder Ken GriffeyJr. to second baseman Rich Aurilia to catcher Jason LaRue.

[REDREAD]

Whipping boy comes through :lol:

[Matt700wlw]

Well...he got a hit!

:larue:

:jump:

[RedsMan3203]

Holy LaRue.

[edabbs44]

I got LaRue grounding out to the left side...giving 10 to 1 odds. Any takers?

I'll bet...um....$100 billion dollars. :devil:

[Edskin]

Larue with a HR....................................again

[VR]

According to gameday they gave Drew a triple.
I guess the scorer must not be paying attention.

I think he established that by not giving Dunn an E in the 1st.

[flyer85]

And the Dodgers show absolutely no respect for Jr's arm and send Drew home.
actually what they showed was the lack of faith in the Reds ability to execute a routine play. They were counting on the Reds screwing up the cutoff and relay.

[George Foster]

a blind squirrel finds a nut.

[Matt700wlw]

LaRue's goal should be 2 hits in September.

And if he's nice, I'll give him a handicap and count after midnight as September with tomorrow being an off day :D

[VR]

I'll bet...um....$100 billion dollars. :devil:

Your check for a thousand billion is in the mail. :thumbup:

[George Foster]

LaRue's goal should be 2 hits in September.

And if he's nice, I'll give him a handicap and count after midnight as September with tomorrow being an off day :D

that's funny and cruel...mostly funny:laugh: :laugh:

[VR]

So....Harang should really be at no earned runs at this point? Does that sound right?

[Edskin]

Let me try this for 7,458th time this year:

I predict Dunn puts a charge into this one..........watch

[George Foster]

Let me try this for 7,458th time this year:

I predict Dunn puts a charge into this one..........watch

We are all in a slump....

[RedsMan3203]

Let me try this for 7,458th time this year:

I predict Dunn puts a charge into this one..........watch

I'm watching....

[Edskin]

7,459

I predict RA puts a charge into this one..........watch

[George Foster]

I can't wear these pants again tomorrow. I almost got laughed out of my office today...it was brutal.

[George Foster]

Maddux crying about a call. The guy that has gotten the plate extended 2 inches on each side his entire career. Brutal.

[RedsMan3203]

I can't wear these pants again tomorrow. I almost got laughed out of my office today...it was brutal.



:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Edskin]

OK, let me try something new:

I AM NOT WEARING PANTS AT ALL UNTIL THE REDS WIN AGAIN
(AND YES, THAT INCLUDES UNDERWEAR)

[RedsMan3203]

OK, let me try something new:

I AM NOT WEARING PANTS AT ALL UNTIL THE REDS WIN AGAIN
(AND YES, THAT INCLUDES UNDERWEAR)

I feel sorry for the people who you work with.

[Matt700wlw]

I feel sorry for the people who you work with.

I hope he doesn't see customers....

[alloverjr]

I feel sorry for the people who you work with.

And your wife. ;)

[CTA513]

If they keep playing like they have been then they should just leave Bailey in the minors.

[RedsMan3203]

And your wife. ;)


I know last night was a long time, but I don't remember getting married.. and If I did... where the heck is she?

[flyer85]

amazing to realize the Dodgers picked up Maddux for basically nothing. He might have looked nice in a Red uniform.

[Edskin]

I hope he doesn't see customers

I see customers. It's just that most of them faint upon seeing me.

Tends to happen when people see one of the seven wonders of the world. Ya know?

[alloverjr]

I know last night was a long time, but I don't remember getting married.. and If I did... where the heck is she?

Not your's, Ed's. But, your's is with Deno.

[Matt700wlw]

I know last night was a long time, but I don't remember getting married.. and If I did... where the heck is she?

Somewhere that has a more pleasant oder...;)

[George Foster]

I see customers. It's just that most of them faint upon seeing me.

Tends to happen when people see one of the seven wonders of the world. Ya know?

......na....to easy......:laugh: :laugh:

[REDREAD]

Ok, runners on the Corners for LA's "big RBI bat" (Maddux :lol: )

[SteelSD]

I see customers. It's just that most of them faint upon seeing me.

Tends to happen when people see one of the seven wonders of the world. Ya know?

Is that the Hanging Gardens of Babylon in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

[George Foster]

Not your's, Ed's. But, your's is with Deno.


Deno loves a good slump buster...:laugh:

[REDREAD]

Ok, runners on the Corners for LA's "big RBI bat" (Maddux :lol: )

I apologize for that.. Maddux drives a guy in.

[Matt700wlw]

The Dodgers know how to play fundamental baseball.

[George Foster]

Maddux is embarrasing us tonight. A real Major Leaguer.

[Matt700wlw]

Maddux is embarrasing us tonight. A real Major Leaguer.

A true Hall of Famer

[George Foster]

Get Harrang out of there...save him for well...???

[REDREAD]

Well, the Astros won, so they'll get closer to us (probably) :(

Harang doesn't have it tonight and the bullpen is gassed. I'll stick it out, but I don't have much hope.

[Aronchis]

Harang is the true ace.

[REDREAD]

Get Harrang out of there...save him for well...???

I think Harang is going to stay in there. The bullpen is worn out from perserving the tie so Franklin could blow it last night.

[George Foster]

Harang is the true ace.

He's not pitched bad. Had bad defense. Why keep him out there. Maddux is sodomizing us tonight. He's giving it to us at both ends. Pitching and hitting.

[CTA513]

Are going to be taking bets on when the next time the Reds win a game?

:help:

[Matt700wlw]

Are going to be taking bets on when the next time the Reds win a game?

:help:


I don't even know anymore.

I'll guess...............Saturday. :)

[Aronchis]

He's not pitched bad. Had bad defense. Why keep him out there. Maddux is sodomizing us tonight. He's giving it to us at both ends. Pitching and hitting.

Still, 12 baserunners in 6 innings isn't good, Harang needed to really step up and he didn't. The last 2 games, he has given up 19 hits.

[George Foster]

If we blow against the Padres at their place, K won't be able to give away all those extra hotdogs they have bought for the next home series:laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

If we blow against the Padres at their place, K won't be able to give away all those extra hotdogs they have bought for the next home series:laugh:

1/2 price tickets may not even get people there.

They'll be anxiously awaiting Sunday, September 10, 2006...1pm and every bar in town will be filled, while GABP will be rather empty.

[REDREAD]

Only 4-2.. not completely hopeless, I guess.

[CTA513]

Still, 12 baserunners in 6 innings isn't good, Harang needed to really step up and he didn't. The last 2 games, he has given up 19 hits.

His manager should stop letting him and Arroyo throw about 120 pitches every game.

[George Foster]

What the hell is Hatty doing at 1st? God this is bad. What is Hatcher doing?