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Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 06:51 PM
REDS

R Freel CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276 .368 .404
S Hatteberg 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308 .402 .476
R Aurilia SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297 .345 .537
A Dunn LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244 .371 .527
E Encarnacion 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291 .375 .517
T Hollandsworth RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222 .300 .259
B Phillips 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292 .340 .447
D Ross C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .272 .363 .619
B Arroyo P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .121 .159 .242


GIANTS

S Finley CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .249 .322 .391
O Vizquel SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .306 .370 .404
S Hillenbrand 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .255 .280 .471
B Bonds LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .263 .462 .539
R Durham 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295 .362 .525
M Alou RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295 .351 .539
P Feliz 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .250 .288 .447
E Alfonzo C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281 .319 .498
M Morris P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .185 .200 .241

flyer85
09-05-2006, 06:58 PM
I guess it's still not Deno's time.

Situation is past critical and the best we can come up with for RF is Hollandsworth. Sad

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 06:59 PM
I guess it's still not Deno's time.

I'm sure Hollandsworth had a HR off Morris back in 98 or something.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 07:01 PM
I guess it's still not Deno's time.

Situation is past critical and the best we can come up with for RF is Hollandsworth. Sad

With Narron, it never will be.

If you HAVE to play Hollandsworth, Deno IMO could be a better choice than Freel to play CF and lead off against a righty.
(Freel .728 OPS vs. RHP in 2006).

WMR
09-05-2006, 07:01 PM
Would you really expect anything different out of Narron?

Choosing Hollandsworth over Deno is as easy as falling out of bed.

Heath
09-05-2006, 07:31 PM
Rich Aurilia is OPS'ing .882

What deal with the devil did he make. Yipes.

dougdirt
09-05-2006, 07:32 PM
Not only does Deno not start in favor of Hollandsworth, Narron slaps humility all over Phillips and Ross by batting Hollandsworth in front of them.

Doc. Scott
09-05-2006, 07:35 PM
Not only does Deno not start in favor of Hollandsworth, Narron slaps humility all over Phillips and Ross by batting Hollandsworth in front of them.

It's all about your handedness, not your ability. So Todd is being rewarded for either being born that way or having a mean dad who also coached his T-Ball team.

Doc. Scott
09-05-2006, 07:38 PM
I'm sure Hollandsworth had a HR off Morris back in 98 or something.

Nope. 3-for-21 with two doubles, two walks, and seven strikeouts.

.143/.217/.238.

Meanwhile, Denorfia is batting .500/.500/1.000 against Morris. That's right- a double in two trips.

(cue someone complaining about the thousand-plus OPS points we're giving up)

RedLegSuperStar
09-05-2006, 07:38 PM
REDS

R Freel CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276 .368 .404
S Hatteberg 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .308 .402 .476
R Aurilia SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297 .345 .537
A Dunn LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .244 .371 .527
E Encarnacion 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .291 .375 .517
T Hollandsworth RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222 .300 .259
B Phillips 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .292 .340 .447
D Ross C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .272 .363 .619
B Arroyo P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .121 .159 .242

My Prediction Yesterday (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50987&page=20)



Ryan Freel CF
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Adam Dunn LF
Rich Aurilia SS
David Ross C
Todd Hollandsworth RF
Brandon Phillips 2B

Narron must be viewing RedsZone.com for tips cause he switch Edwin and Rich and move Ross down to 8th..

RedsManRick
09-05-2006, 07:41 PM
Rich Aurilia is OPS'ing .882

What deal with the devil did he make. Yipes.

It wasn't a deal with the devil. It was a deal with the God of platoons. The Aurilia/Hatteberg platoon has simply been the best decision Narron has made all year.

Over the last three years, Aurilia has hit .100 OPS points higher against lefties. This year, he's gone extreme, absolutely destroying left handed pitching to the tune of a 1.150 OPS, while maintaining his pedestrian .746 against righties.

Rich has 24 extra base hits in 122 AB versus lefties and 21 in 245 AB versus righties. To put it another way, against lefties he's Albert Pujols, against righties he's Todd Hollandsworth...

RedLegSuperStar
09-05-2006, 07:41 PM
I'm going out on a limb on this and maybe cuase Matt has better luck at posting game threads than myself.. but..

Reds Will Win Tonight!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 07:44 PM
I hope I can stop the bleeding.

:D

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:14 PM
Good 1,2,3 start for Arroyo.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:17 PM
freel starting it off with a walk

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Freelin' and stealin'

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:18 PM
stolen base

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:18 PM
Wow...Morris walks Hatte and has not thrown a strike yet.

flyer85
09-05-2006, 08:19 PM
Morris didn't walk a batter in SF, now two already

Reds better take advantage now

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:19 PM
8 pitches 8 balls

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:20 PM
Aurilia singles in a run. 1-0 Reds

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:21 PM
early lead hang on to it arroyo

flyer85
09-05-2006, 08:22 PM
terrible call by the 3b umpire

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:23 PM
Another walk. Bases loaded.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:23 PM
Eddie can be BIG here

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:23 PM
we need a grand slam

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:23 PM
still no outs

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:24 PM
EE hits a sac. fly to center. 2-0 Reds.

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:25 PM
Hollandsworth doubles to right. 3-0 Reds. 2nd and 3rd.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:25 PM
Holly!

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:26 PM
more than i expected from hollandsworth

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:28 PM
Phillips in an argument with the home plate ump on the strikeout call on the checked swing.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:29 PM
These umps are stingy on check swings...

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:29 PM
Ross walked intentionally to once again load the bases.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:30 PM
we need that 3rd homer from Arroyo

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:30 PM
Arroyo strikes out. 3-0 Reds after 1.

Wheelhouse
09-05-2006, 08:31 PM
Well two missed swing calls on the umps that inning.

PuffyPig
09-05-2006, 08:31 PM
Phillips went. Dunn did not.

flyer85
09-05-2006, 08:32 PM
I just don't understand how BP got fooled on that 3-2 pitch. He only seen one fastball in the AB and it wasn't close to a strike. With a base open no way Morris gives in there.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 08:35 PM
more than i expected from hollandsworth

At this point in the season, I feel more confident with Hollandsworth's bat than I do with Denorfia's.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:35 PM
What did Bonds do?

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:36 PM
What did Bonds do?
Grounded out to 2nd.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:36 PM
What did Bonds do?

ground out

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:36 PM
What did Bonds do?

Grounded out to Phillips playing short right via the shift.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2006, 08:37 PM
wow, can't wait to see the attendance figures for tonight...looking sad as of now

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 08:37 PM
Why the Reds couldn't hit this schmuck in SF is beyond comprehension.

He wasn't dealing. You don't "deal" with an 88 MPH fastball--you get by.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Just so everyone knows....it looks like tomorrow's day game is going to be shown on ESPN.

Gary Thorne and Steve Stone....HHHOOOORAH!

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:38 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning for Arroyo. 3-0 Reds mid 2nd.

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:39 PM
Just so everyone knows....it looks like tomorrow's day game is going to be shown on ESPN.

Gary Thorn and Steve Stone....HHHOOOORAH!
Yes it is on ESPN and ESPNHD.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:39 PM
thanks because i saw he grounded out to right on my computer

Red in Chicago
09-05-2006, 08:39 PM
Why the Reds couldn't hit this schmuck in SF is beyond comprehension.

He wasn't dealing. You don't "deal" with an 88 MPH fastball--you get by.

in one inning today, he walked four and allowed two hits, but only three runs...he's got us right where he wants us:devil:

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:39 PM
Why the Reds couldn't hit this schmuck in SF is beyond comprehension.

He wasn't dealing. You don't "deal" with an 88 MPH fastball--you get by.
No matter how you slice it, his curveball was devistating that night.

Through one inning tonight, it hasn't been, thus he got beat around a bit.

flyer85
09-05-2006, 08:40 PM
Why the Reds couldn't hit this schmuck in SF is beyond comprehension.

He wasn't dealing. You don't "deal" with an 88 MPH fastball--you get by.it was the curve that night(his curve was rolling a lot in the first inning). Welsh made a semi-lucid comment about how damp and humid it was that night in Frisco, perfect for getting bite on a curve.

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 08:41 PM
No matter how you slice it, his curveball was devistating that night.

Through one inning tonight, it hasn't been, thus he got beat around a bit.

A curveball is mostly devastating relative to the FB. The Reds beat themselves that night.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:41 PM
Freel grounds to a drawn in thirdbaseman for the first out of the second.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:42 PM
Yes it is on ESPN and ESPNHD.

Oh good...I got spoiled by seeing basically every game on TV during the first half of the year...

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:42 PM
Hatteberg grounds out to short.

2 out.

PuffyPig
09-05-2006, 08:43 PM
Why the Reds couldn't hit this schmuck in SF is beyond comprehension.

He wasn't dealing. You don't "deal" with an 88 MPH fastball--you get by.

Morris and Arroyo have been similiar pitchers this year, with similiar DIPS ERA.

Morris has some good games and some bad games.

I'm hoping this is one of his bad games.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:44 PM
Aurilia hits on off the end of the bat on a fly to right to end the inning.

After 2

Giants 0
Reds 3

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 08:45 PM
Morris and Arroyo have been similiar pitchers this year, with similiar DIPS ERA.

Morris has some good games and some bad games.

I'm hoping this is one of his bad games.

Yeah, and Morris and Arroyo couldn't pitch in more diametrically opposed home fields viz. the home run ball.

Morris is a turd.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:47 PM
Pedro Feliz fouls out around the plate.

1 out.

pedro
09-05-2006, 08:47 PM
Morris pitched a really good game in SF. It happens from time to time.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:48 PM
Alfonzo strikes out swinging for out number two.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:49 PM
Matt Morris grounds out to short to end the inning.

Still 3-0 Reds.

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:49 PM
Another 1-2-3 inning for Arroyo.

MaineRed
09-05-2006, 08:49 PM
Morris is a turd.

I suppose this falls under the description of a profanity laced post in your book?

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:50 PM
FCB,

Why is it so hard to believe that Morris is capable of pitching a good game once in a while, and did so a week ago Friday?

Nobody's accusing him of being a great pitcher, just acknowledging that he pitched a good game.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Didn't mean to step on your PBP feet, RF.

If you want, you can go back to it.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 08:52 PM
no hitter going for arroyo

VR
09-05-2006, 08:52 PM
Impressed to see Morris trucking down the line on a routine grounder.

Arroyo is dealin tonight. He's fun to watch when he has the spinner working.

westofyou
09-05-2006, 08:52 PM
Why the Reds couldn't hit this schmuck in SF is beyond comprehension.Baseball is a funny game, not a science or therom, sometimes Bumpus Jones sez hello.

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:52 PM
No that's fine I am busy with work tonight so I can't really do it tonight.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:53 PM
FCB,

Why is it so hard to believe that Morris is capable of pitching a good game once in a while, and did so a week ago Friday?

Nobody's accusing him of being a great pitcher, just acknowledging that he pitched a good game.

Big Leaguers are in big leaguers for a reason....even the worst of the bunch have good days once in a while and are better than any of us ever will be.

Hell, Ramon Ortiz almost threw a no-hitter yesterday...even 2 of the best ever in Maddux and Clemens haven't done that.

Odd game.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:53 PM
I'll take it for a while then.

Dunn strikes out on Morris' curve....I guess that makes Dunn a turd, too?

1 out.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:55 PM
Encarnacion flies out to left for the second out.

Edwin was just slightly out on his front foot....if he stayed back just a hair, it would have been in the seats.

pedro
09-05-2006, 08:55 PM
Baseball is a funny game, not a science or therom, sometimes Bumpus Jones sez hello.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumpus_Jones

VR
09-05-2006, 08:55 PM
good gravy....I didn't realize Dunn had only managed a .170 ish average since August 1, with a K 40% of the time.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:55 PM
Todd Hollandsworth grounds one hard into right field for a two out single.

pedro
09-05-2006, 08:56 PM
good gravy....I didn't realize Dunn had only managed a .170 ish average since August 1, with a K 40% of the time.

yeah, he's doing pretty crappy after his fine July.

CrackerJack
09-05-2006, 08:56 PM
That was funny

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:56 PM
Hollandsworth would have scored but he tripped between 3rd and home.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:56 PM
Todd Hollandsworth would have scored from first, but falls flat on his face, and has to scamper back to third. :laugh:


"Hardly the Usual" Top 10 candidate for Friday's SC.

MrCinatit
09-05-2006, 08:57 PM
Hollandsworth is pure grace on the basepaths.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:57 PM
Brandon Phillips doubles into the leftfield corner....Hollandsworth was being sent home and it looks like he slipped going around the bag.

End result: runners at second and third with two out.

Ross will be intentionally walked again to load the bases for Arroyo.

flyer85
09-05-2006, 08:57 PM
high comedy once again. mr red must have got him

VR
09-05-2006, 08:57 PM
The Reds last dozen games wrapped up in one play.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2006, 08:58 PM
let's hope that base running snafu doesn't come back to haunt us

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 08:58 PM
Bronson Arroyo bunts right back to the pitcher to end the inning.

After 3

Reds lead 3-0.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 08:58 PM
Now they don't score...

Reds Fanatic
09-05-2006, 08:58 PM
I have a bad feeling about the run they just gave away.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 08:59 PM
Hollandsworth should have gotten up and continued home. If he's out--so be it.

(But I can't blame a guy for going to the nearest bag when he loses his footing.)

flyer85
09-05-2006, 09:00 PM
I have a bad feeling about the run they just gave away.of late they are certainly a team that can't afford to give away runs

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:00 PM
Hollandsworth should have gotten up and continued home. If he's out--so be it.

(But I can't blame a guy for going to the nearest bag when he loses his footing.)

Agreed. Not really the kind of thing you work on in practice, though.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:00 PM
Things like that happen, but they get magnified in the middle of the worst team slump of the season.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 09:01 PM
Agreed. Not really the kind of thing you work on in practice, though.

But it is the kind of thing that Mark Berry should be telling him...

"Todd! Get up! Get up! Go...go...go!!!"

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:01 PM
Steve Finley walks to lead off the 4th.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:02 PM
Arroyo looks like he left his control in the dugout.

flyer85
09-05-2006, 09:03 PM
has the feel of a game where the lead could go quickly

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:04 PM
Omar Vizquel grounds into a 3-6 fielders choice.

1 out.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2006, 09:04 PM
Arroyo looks like he left his control in the dugout.

you can almost feel a two run bomb coming, can't you

RedLegSuperStar
09-05-2006, 09:04 PM
Steve Finley walks to lead off the 4th.

there went perfection

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:05 PM
Shea Hillenbrand grounds one to short and Aurilia goes deep in the hole to field the ball and get the force at second.

Outstanding play for the second out of the inning.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:05 PM
Shea Hillenbrand grounds one to short and Aurilia goes deep in the hole to field the ball and get the force at second.

Outstanding play for the second out of the inning.

Nice pick by BP on the throw in the dirt.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:06 PM
Barry Bonds walks (unintentional intentional walk).

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:08 PM
Ray Durham (who is hitting .467 after a Bonds walk) pops out to second to end the inning.

3-0 Reds in the middle of the 4th.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:09 PM
I realize this is just the normal tone of the gamethread, but this is the result of what's happened over the last five years.

Reds have a three run lead and most of the comments you see are waiting for the lead to fall.

Kinda sad, really.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:10 PM
Ryan Freel grounds out to third for the first out of the fourth.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:11 PM
Scott Hatteberg grounds out to short.

2 out.

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 09:11 PM
I realize this is just the normal tone of the gamethread, but this is the result of what's happened over the last five years.



Now there's some wisdom. This "tone" didn't get invented by a bunch of negative nellies looking to kill everyone's buzz for no reason whatsoever.

We've been taught by the last six years to anticipate crap. And 99 times of 100, we're right. It IS sad. I want it to stop.

KoryMac5
09-05-2006, 09:12 PM
I realize this is just the normal tone of the gamethread, but this is the result of what's happened over the last five years.

Reds have a three run lead and most of the comments you see are waiting for the lead to fall.

Kinda sad, really.

It's due to the fact that over the last three years Reds fans have been tortured with bad teams and bad play. It's going to take a few good years to get the fans confidence back.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:12 PM
Rich Aurilia singles to center.

He just keeps right on hitting.

Red in Chicago
09-05-2006, 09:12 PM
i think the fact that there are about 20,000 empty seats tonight goes along with the tone of this board:p:

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:15 PM
Adam Dunn strikes out to end the inning.

After 4

Reds up 3-0.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2006, 09:15 PM
Dunn has icicles hanging off his bat.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:17 PM
Moises Alou strikes out swinging on a high fastball.

1 out.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:19 PM
Pedro Feliz strikes out swinging on a ball in the dirt.

2 out.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
Eliezer Alfonzo singles to left to break up the no hitter.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
The no-no is no more.

OnBaseMachine
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
Arroyo's no-no is broken up by the 8th hitter.

VR
09-05-2006, 09:20 PM
I realize this is just the normal tone of the gamethread, but this is the result of what's happened over the last five years.

Reds have a three run lead and most of the comments you see are waiting for the lead to fall.

Kinda sad, really.

It would seem to be the theme in the dugout, not just Redszone

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:22 PM
Matt Morris bloops one to right and Hollandsworth made a great effort to get to the ball, but couldn't.

Runners at first and third with two outs.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:23 PM
not good

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:23 PM
Steve Finley grounds out to second to end the inning.

3-0 Reds in the middle of the 5th.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:25 PM
reds batting 6 BB 5 Hits 3 runs

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:26 PM
Edwin Encarnacion grounds out to third.

1 out.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:28 PM
Todd Hollandsworth flies out to right....Alou caught the ball with his back on the wall.

2 out.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:28 PM
Holly just about had that one!

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:29 PM
how close was that from a homer

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:30 PM
Phillips grounds one to third that Feliz makes a nice diving stop on and threw him out.

After 5

Reds lead 3-0.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:30 PM
how close was that from a homer
Real close. Ball must not be carrying well tonight because off the bat it looked well gone.

I was already typing that he had hit a homer.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:30 PM
how close was that from a homer

About as close at it could be without actually going out.

Alou had his back literally on the wall when he caught it

VR
09-05-2006, 09:31 PM
how close was that from a homer
8-10 feet

Reds did score 3 in the 1st.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:31 PM
how close was that from a homer

Close. Alou caught it two feet from the wall. (no jumping required).

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:31 PM
Real close. Ball must not be carrying well tonight because off the bat it looked well gone.



Cool weather, no humidity....could be a factor.

PuffyPig
09-05-2006, 09:31 PM
how close was that from a homer


It looked like a Homer off his bat. It was about two feet short.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:32 PM
8-10 feet

Reds did score 3 in the 1st.
Nowhere near that far.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:32 PM
Omar Vizquel lines softly to second.

1 out.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:33 PM
thank you

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:34 PM
Shea Hillenbrand strikes out swinging.

2 out.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:34 PM
strike out

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:35 PM
Barry Bonds flies out to left.

After 5 1/2

Reds still lead 3-0.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:36 PM
Arroyos stats 83 pitches 2 hits 2 walks 6 strikeouts

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:37 PM
David Ross opens the bottom of the 6th with a double to the left field corner.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 09:38 PM
Did George just say, "Frank Tanana and Rick Reuschel are the two pitchers to give up a homer to both Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds, the two 700-home-run hitters in major-league history."

What?! Has GG never heard of George Herman "Babe" Ruth?! :explode:

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:39 PM
good bunt please

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:39 PM
Bronson Arroyo grounds a ROCKET to third (I mean a ROCKET), but the runner has to hold at second.

1 out.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:39 PM
Arroyo swings away, unfortunately, right at Feliz.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:40 PM
I liked that.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:41 PM
Ryan Freel grounds out to short, again Ross has to hold.

2 out.

RedFanAlways1966
09-05-2006, 09:41 PM
What?! Has GG never heard of George Herman "Babe" Ruth?! :explode:

I thought he was a pitcher that had a candy bar named after him?!? ;)

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:41 PM
Did George just say, "Frank Tanana and Rick Reuschel are the two pitchers to give up a homer to both Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds, the two 700-home-run hitters in major-league history."

What?! Has GG never heard of George Herman "Babe" Ruth?! :explode:

You're killing me, SMALLS

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:41 PM
I liked that.

I did too...I don't think the Giants were looking for it....

Good idea, just didn't work.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Freel has been less than spectacular against RHP.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Scott Hatteberg hits one up the line at first that Hillenbrand gloves and takes to the bag.

After 6

Reds 3
Giants 0

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:42 PM
Freel has been less than spectacular against RHP.

Or with RISP

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:43 PM
reds have to score whenever they have a runners on second or third no outs

VR
09-05-2006, 09:44 PM
reds have to score whenever they have a runners on second or third no outs

Why? they scored 3 in the 1st?;)

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:45 PM
REDS OPS is A LOT higher vs. LH...
.848 vs. 764 (something like that).

Thats when you really miss Felipe's bat vs. RHP.
Same as Kearns vs. Freel (Kearns better vs. RHP).

Picking up a bat like Hollandsworth ain't enough.

NDRed
09-05-2006, 09:45 PM
another run is never bad

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:45 PM
Ray Durham leads off the top of the seventh by getting jammed and hitting a fly ball to center that's put away by Freel.

1 out.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:46 PM
Moises Alou flies out to Aurilia in short left field.

2 out.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:47 PM
Sun Wu Kim's ERA is 19.29....are we sure that's not how much he cost?

MrCinatit
09-05-2006, 09:49 PM
Did George just say, "Frank Tanana and Rick Reuschel are the two pitchers to give up a homer to both Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds, the two 700-home-run hitters in major-league history."

What?! Has GG never heard of George Herman "Babe" Ruth?! :explode:

Earlier, the Aflack trivia question was "What four Reds pitchers have given up a homer to a batter already with 700 homers".
Ruth's name again was not mentioned. Guess that whole Boston Braves thing never really happened.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:49 PM
Pedro Feliz strikes out swinging to end the inning.

Middle of the 7th, score remains 3-0 Reds.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:50 PM
Earlier, the Aflack trivia question was "What four Reds pitchers have given up a homer to a batter already with 700 homers".
Ruth's name again was not mentioned. Guess that whole Boston Braves thing never really happened.

Well it did. But Ruth didn't hit a HR vs. the REds that season. (he only hit 6...3 in one game vs the Pirates.)

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 09:51 PM
Well it did. But Ruth didn't hit a HR vs. the REds that season. (he only hit 6...3 in one game vs the Pirates.)

Please tell me you looked that up.

Kc61
09-05-2006, 09:51 PM
Arroyo over 200 innings. 3.36 ERA. Not too shabby.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:52 PM
Rich Aurilia leads off the bottom of the seventh by reaching on an infield single deep in the hole at short.

RedFanAlways1966
09-05-2006, 09:52 PM
Earlier, the Aflack trivia question was "What four Reds pitchers have given up a homer to a batter already with 700 homers".
Ruth's name again was not mentioned. Guess that whole Boston Braves thing never really happened.

One season (28 games) and only 6 HRs for Babe w/ the Braves. There is a good chance that no REDS hurlers surrendered a dinger to Babe that season (1935).

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:53 PM
Adam Dunn grounds into an easy 6-3 double play.

2 out.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:53 PM
Please tell me you looked that up.

I did. But I knew the 3 HR in one game thing. The other 3: One was vs the Giants (Carl Hubbell) one vs.Brooklyn and another vs. the Cubs.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:54 PM
Edwin Encarnacion grounds out on another nice play by Vizquel.

Moving to the 8th....score still hasn't changed.

RedFanAlways1966
09-05-2006, 09:54 PM
I did. But I knew the 3 HR in one game thing. One was vs the Giants (Carl Hubbell) one vs.Brooklyn and another vs. the Cubs.

Dang... I'm burnin' my Baseball Encyclopedia and coming to oneupper with questions! :D

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 09:55 PM
Arroyo over 200 innings. 3.36 ERA. Not too shabby.

Holy schlep...it's unthinkable what he could have done had he kept up his initial pace. I know that was pretty much impossible, but this ERA as it stands is a reminder of just what a help he has been to this team even with the bad games. The Reds may currently be eating dinner in my doghouse, but it's nice to be reminded that they did manage to come across a few pots of gold this season that will hopefully serve them well long-term.

George Foster
09-05-2006, 09:55 PM
Rich Aurilia leads off the bottom of the seventh by reaching on an infield single deep in the hole at short.

Lets sign him now!

oneupper
09-05-2006, 09:56 PM
Dang... I'm burnin' my Baseball Encyclopedia and coming to oneupper with questions! :D

The internet is a wonderful thing. Google Babe Ruth Home Run Log.

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 09:56 PM
Holy schlep...it's unthinkable what he could have done had he kept up his initial pace. I know that was pretty much impossible, but this ERA as it stands is a reminder of just what a help he has been to this team even with the bad games. The Reds may currently be eating dinner in my doghouse, but it's nice to be reminded that they did manage to come across a few pots of gold this season that will hopefully serve them well long-term.

Wayne built one masterpiece this season--and the guy on the mound is it.

Great pick-up.

VR
09-05-2006, 09:57 PM
Lets sign him now!

.05 from Dunn on the OPS-o-meter.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 09:57 PM
Leading off the 8th inning for the Giants, Eliezer Alfonzo grounds out to short.

1 out.

VR
09-05-2006, 09:58 PM
Wayne built one masterpiece this season--and the guy on the mound is it.

Great pick-up.

David and Brandon say 'ciao'

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 09:58 PM
Wayne built one masterpiece this season--and the guy on the mound is it.

Great pick-up.

We may disagree on Wayne Krivsky, but there's 2 other trades I KNOW we'll also agree on.

The guy behind the plate, and the guy at second.

RedFanAlways1966
09-05-2006, 09:58 PM
Wayne built one masterpiece this season--and the guy on the mound is it.

Great pick-up.

That whatshisname at 2nd base hasn't been too bad. And who knows how he'll do in the future since he is fairly young. Perhaps he'll be a SS.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 09:59 PM
Sun Wu Kim's ERA is 19.29....are we sure that's not how much he cost?

But wait, there's more! You also get the Ginsu! :D

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:00 PM
Mark Sweeney (hitting for Matt Morris) grounds out to second.

2 out.

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 10:00 PM
David and Brandon say 'ciao'

Brandon, yeah.

David--let's face it: luck and career year. By that measure we should be pimping O'Brien's decision to play Nacho Libre last year to mine his career year.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 10:00 PM
Deno in LF for Dunn. (didn't see it mentioned).

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Steve Finley grounds out to short to end the inning

If Arroyo's done, he pitched one hell of a ballgame tonight.

Middle of the 8th, still 3-0 Reds.

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Arroyo is just "on" tonight.:beerme:

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 10:01 PM
Bronson's dealing. I would let him finish.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:02 PM
8 innings 113 pitches (I think).

Tough call....he's had a stress-free night.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
How can you say Ross' year is luck/career year...but Phillips' isn't?

The difference between Ross and Javier last year is Javier is old and been bad at the plate for years. You knew his was a career year.

Ross is young and talented. Can't say it's luck/career year just yet.

Kc61
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
Let Arroyo try for the shutout.

Mariana Rivera's unavailable tonight anyway.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:03 PM
I'd leave it up to Arroyo. He's said before the way he pitches he doesn't really need a pitch count.

We'll see.

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 10:04 PM
I love David Ross, but I do think there's a very good chance that this was his career year. to me there's no question that he'll fall off next year offensively; it's just a question of how much, and it's also a question of whether his sub-par catching skills will be more exposed and noted with less offensive production.

We had Valentin last year, Ross this year. I'm all for lucking into a career-year catcher every season...or maybe LaRue is due (no, really).

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 10:04 PM
How can you say Ross' year is luck/career year...but Phillips' isn't?

The difference between Ross and Javier last year is Javier is old and been bad at the plate for years. You knew his was a career year.

Ross is young and talented. Can't say it's luck/career year just yet.

Ross is young?

Phillips is young. And has clear skills that needed to come together.

Ross has been a nice surprise, but he's not a GREAT pickup, I'm sorry.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:04 PM
Todd Hollandsworth leads off the bottom of the 8th for the Reds singling sharply to center.

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:05 PM
Holly has to start tomorrow....3 hits. Let him play.

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 10:05 PM
what has happened to Todd Hollandsworth?

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:05 PM
Brandon Phillips pops the bunt attempt up to the pitcher.

1 out.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:06 PM
Arroyo is on deck.

WMR
09-05-2006, 10:06 PM
Sheesh that was an ugly 'bunt.'

oneupper
09-05-2006, 10:06 PM
Wise in for Hollandsworth at first. Hopefully he won't fall on his face.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:06 PM
Dewayne Wise is now running for Hollandsworth and Scott Munter is now pitching, by the way.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
David Ross hits into a 5-4-3 inning ending double play.

We move to the 9th...still 3-0 Reds.

VR
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
I love David Ross, but I do think there's a very good chance that this was his career year. to me there's no question that he'll fall off next year offensively; it's just a question of how much, and it's also a question of whether his sub-par catching skills will be more exposed and noted with less offensive production.

We had Valentin last year, Ross this year. I'm all for lucking into a career-year catcher every season...or maybe LaRue is due (no, really).

Any chance at all he improved? I heard players do that occasionally :)

His plate approach is heads and shoulders above LaRue and Valentin. He hasn't OPS'ed below .900 in any month this year. He may fall off, but then again he might continue improving. At the very least, he's made LaRue very, very expendable.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 10:08 PM
Hitting for Arroyo not an issue now. Bonds will hit third in the 9th.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:09 PM
Wow...I didn't realize David Ross was already 29 years old. I thought he was younger than that.

Maybe it is a career year afterall, FCB.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 10:09 PM
what has happened to Todd Hollandsworth?

3-for-4 tonight raises his batting average to .290.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
Bronson Arroyo will start the inning!

oneupper
09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
Any chance at all he improved? I heard players do that occasionally :)

His plate approach is heads and shoulders above LaRue and Valentin. He hasn't OPS'ed below .900 in any month this year. He may fall off, but then again he might continue improving. At the very least, he's made LaRue very, very expendable.

If LaRue goes, a Ross/Valentin platoon would be nice for 2007. Ross has killed LHP this year.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
Juan Castro enters the game playing short, Aurilia shifts to third, Encarnacion out.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:11 PM
Omar Vizquel leads off the 9th with a single to left.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:11 PM
Denorfia is now in left with Wise staying in right as well.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 10:11 PM
Arroyo should not pitch to Bonds if Hillenbrand gets on. (get him out, please)

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:11 PM
Shea Hillenbrand hits into a 5-4-3 double play!

2 out.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Juan Castro enters the game playing short, Aurilia shifts to third, Encarnacion out.

Also, Wise stays in the game in RF.

5-4-3 DP!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
YES!!!

Double play!!

Get Bonds, Bronson!!

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Great DP!!! let Bonds hit.....

harangatang
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Twin killing, thanks Richy boy.

WMR
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Oh my GOD WE WON!!!

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
Barry Bonds pops out to short to end the ballgame.

And this one belongs to the Reds!

Complete game shutout for Bronson Arroyo.

Hell of a night, Bronson!

Kc61
09-05-2006, 10:12 PM
On three days' rest, in the home run ballpark, brilliant outing for Arroyo.

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Best game of the year for Arroyo!!!!:thumbup: :beerme:

harangatang
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Reds win, there's hope.

reds44
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
That was much needed.

Still breathing.

Gainesville Red
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
That was quick. What is that, just a shade over 2 hours? Cool.

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Any chance at all he improved? I heard players do that occasionally :)

His plate approach is heads and shoulders above LaRue and Valentin. He hasn't OPS'ed below .900 in any month this year. He may fall off, but then again he might continue improving. At the very least, he's made LaRue very, very expendable.

It's just a gut feeling -- his stats are very good. There is a part of me that wonders also whether Cincinnati was just a better fit for him or whether he responded well to the coaching here. I still expect him to drop off a bit, and I expect LaRue to get more playing time as long as he's still on the team (as great a year as Ross had, Jason's had a horrible one, and i think they'll meet somewhere closer to the middle and the playing time will reflect that). I know that a lot of people are down on LaRue right now, but really, they're not a bad platoon -- currently horrific offense with great athletic catching vs. amazing offense vs. groan-inducing defense (sometimes). And then Nacho Pornstache or whatever you guys call him.

oneupper
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Good win. Bats still not alive, though.
Gotta get hot.

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
WOW!

3 days rest....what an unbelievable performance! :clap: :clap: :clap:

VR
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Ross is young?

Phillips is young. And has clear skills that needed to come together.

Ross has been a nice surprise, but he's not a GREAT pickup, I'm sorry.


1.000 OPS may not qualify in many books, but it does mine.

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Crikes, we won already?

Now why can't every ballgame be like that?

Gallen5862
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
"And this one belongs to the Reds." Great job on the win Arroyo.

harangatang
09-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Best game of the year for Arroyo!!!!:thumbup: :beerme:Wi...can't remember his name now. :cool:

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:14 PM
2 hours and 2 minutes by my watch.

Why can't those games ever happen when I'm in attendance and have to drive two hours home for work the next morning?

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:14 PM
2 hours and 5 minutes....wow! Marty and 700wlw likes it!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:15 PM
That was a huge, must win for the Reds.

Bronson's first career CG shut out!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:15 PM
2 hours and 5 minutes....wow! Marty and 700wlw likes it!

I wish it was Friday ;)

Falls City Beer
09-05-2006, 10:16 PM
1.000 OPS may not qualify in many books, but it does mine.

The guy's been a great surprise. But let's see if it isn't a flash in the pan before we canonize the guy.

Trash heap career years from 30-year-olds are nice, but like Larue, they could very easily go kaput next year.

TheBigLebowski
09-05-2006, 10:16 PM
Nice win. Don't think it means much, but it sure does feel good to win again.

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:16 PM
Go Rockies....get us a bit closer!

Matt700wlw
09-05-2006, 10:17 PM
The Reds need to follow up with a win tomorrow, or today means very little, if anything.

harangatang
09-05-2006, 10:17 PM
That was a huge, must win for the Reds.

Bronson's first career CG shut out!Bronson for MVP? Maybe I shouldn't push it that far...yet.

vaticanplum
09-05-2006, 10:18 PM
The game thread over in Reds Live is one page long and contains no ridiculousness. I say we merge them again, give those guys a chance to a more active computer screen rather than just a wall.

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:19 PM
Nice win. Don't think it means much, but it sure does feel good to win again.

Agreed. I think we have to finish at least 8 games over .500 to win the WC. That will be a tall order for this team to do in 26 days.

VR
09-05-2006, 10:19 PM
He's now 7th in the NL in strikeouts as well. (Harang 3rd, 4 away from the lead)

redsfan30
09-05-2006, 10:19 PM
The Reds need to follow up with a win tomorrow, or today means very little, if anything.
Exactly. The season is definetly on life support, but there is still a pulse. Winning tomorrow is much, much needed with the Pirates coming into town followed by the Wild Card leaders.

There is still a chance to grab that Wild Card spot.

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 10:19 PM
That is Bronson Arroyo's third complete game and first shutout of the season.

Arroyo and Aaron Harang have now combined for 7 CGs and 3 ShOs. The last time the Reds had more than seven complete games was in 2000, when they had eight. (Harnisch 3, Villone 2, Bell, Dessens, and O.Fernandez)

The last time the Reds had three shutouts in a season was in 1999. (Harnisch 2, and Parris)

Big Klu
09-05-2006, 10:20 PM
The game thread over in Reds Live is one page long and contains no ridiculousness. I say we merge them again, give those guys a chance to a more active computer screen rather than just a wall.

I agree.

George Foster
09-05-2006, 10:20 PM
The game thread over in Reds Live is one page long and contains no ridiculousness. I say we merge them again, give those guys a chance to a more active computer screen rather than just a wall.

Yes. We need to get those guys "back in the game."

VR
09-05-2006, 10:21 PM
Agreed. I think we have to finish at least 8 games over .500 to win the WC. That will be a tall order for this team to do in 26 days.


Still realistic. It's just winning every series from here out.

Fairly easy schedule. Isn't it about the Reds turn to run off 6 straight? Seems like every WC team has had their run, except the Rojo's