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OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:12 PM
What, no game thread?

Pittsburgh Pirates

Lineup

Chris Duffy CF
Jack Wilson SS
Freddy Sanchez 3B
Jason Bay LF
Xavier Nady RF
Ryan Doumit 1B
Ronny Paulino C
Jose Castillo 2B
Paul Maholm P

Starting Pitcher

Paul Maholm P

Cincinnati Reds

Lineup

Ryan Freel CF
Royce Clayton SS
Rich Aurilia 1B
Edwin Encarnacion
Adam Dunn LF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Norris Hopper RF
Jason LaRue C
Aaron Harang P

Starting Pitcher

Aaron Harang P

pahster
09-09-2006, 06:14 PM
Duffy K's, Wilson grounds out to Harang.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:14 PM
Duffy struckout looking and Jack Wilson grounded out to Harang. 2 outs.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:15 PM
Freddy Sanchez lined out to right. 1-2-3 first inning for Harang.

pahster
09-09-2006, 06:16 PM
Sanchez lines out to RF. Quick inning for Harang, only 10 pitches. The in game sound isn't working for me on MLBTV but the inbetween innings elevator music is there. Strange.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:17 PM
That was Harang's 185th strikeout this season. One other note - he now stands at 196.1 innings pitched this year, 3.2 shy of becoming the second Reds pitcher to reach 200 IP this season. Arroyo is the other of course.

pahster
09-09-2006, 06:19 PM
Freel Ks.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:19 PM
Freel K's swinging on the 6th pitch. 1 down.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:20 PM
Clayton singles to center.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 06:21 PM
No TV :(

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:22 PM
Rich takes a strike, Rich doubles to RF, Clayton holds at 3rd. 2nd and 3rd for EE. 1 out.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:23 PM
EE hits a sac fly on the first pitch, 1-0 Reds. Aurilia holds at 2nd. Dunn up.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:25 PM
Dunn gets ahead 2-0, then fouls a pitch, and then grounds out to 3rd. Inning over. 16 pitches thrown by Maholm.

1-0 Reds after 1.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 06:27 PM
That didn't take long...

Bay homers.... 1-1

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:28 PM
Bay homers, tie game.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:29 PM
Nady infield single.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:30 PM
Doumit fouled out to 3rd, 1 out. Nady still on first.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:32 PM
Paulino singled Nady to 2nd. Two on, 1 out for Castillo.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 06:33 PM
Paulino singles to left.
Castillo pops out to second. Phillips with the over the shoulder grab.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:33 PM
Castillo pops out on the first pitch. 2 down for Paul Maholm.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:35 PM
Maholm K's on three pitches. 29 pitches thru two for Harang.

1-1.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:39 PM
Phillips leads off the 2nd inning by fouling off the first pitch, strike 2 looking, and then he flies to Duffy in CF. 1 out.

Norris Hopper, not to be confused with Chuck Norris, is now batting.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:39 PM
Chuck Norris Hopper grounds out to SS on a 1-1 pitch. LaRue up.

Razor Shines
09-09-2006, 06:40 PM
Is this a flash back game thread?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:40 PM
LaRue grounds to SS on the 0-1 pitch. 1-2-3 inning for Paul Maholm.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:42 PM
I win 50 dollars if all of the following happens: Indiana beats Ball State by more than 3 points, LSU defeats Arizona by more than 15 points, and Georgia beat South Carolina by more than 3. Do you like my chances?

oneupper
09-09-2006, 06:43 PM
Anyone else watching MLB.tv?

Whats with the word puzzle?

It's ESTEBAN LOAIZA (not ESTABAN)...

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:43 PM
Duffy triples to lead off the 3rd.

Kc61
09-09-2006, 06:44 PM
Arroyo seems to be holding up well after all the innings. Not sure about Harang. He's been more hittable the last couple of outings. Now he is having trouble against the Pirates.

Harang has been excellent this year, but better on the road than at GABP.

Hope Harang has enough in the tank to continue to help down the stretch.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:45 PM
Wilson pops to SS for the first out. Duffy holds at 3rd.

Razor Shines
09-09-2006, 06:45 PM
How would anyone even find out what the score of the IU - Ball St. game? Does either team have stands, or is it bring your own chair?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:47 PM
Sanchez RBI groundout, 2-1 Pirates.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:49 PM
Bay grounded out to Aurilia. Inning over. 43 pitches thru 3 IP for Harang.

2-1 Pirates.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:50 PM
Harang lineout to CF on the first pitch. Freel steps in.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:52 PM
Freel: called strike, foul, ball 1, k swinging. 2 down.

Royce up.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 06:52 PM
Freel check swinging at a ball in the dirt.

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 06:53 PM
Arroyo seems to be holding up well after all the innings. Not sure about Harang. He's been more hittable the last couple of outings. Now he is having trouble against the Pirates.

Harang has been excellent this year, but better on the road than at GABP.

Hope Harang has enough in the tank to continue to help down the stretch.

Until very recently, Harang was holding up much, much better than Arroyo.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 06:53 PM
Giants and Padres tied at 4 bottom 11th.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:54 PM
Clayton: called strike 1, foul, ball 1, ball 2 down, ball 3, foul on a pitch down, ball 4. Good atbat by Clayton to draw the walk and bring Aurilia up.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 06:54 PM
Until very recently, Harang was holding up much, much better than Arroyo.

Arroyo's bad stretch ended two weeks ago. Harang's still in the middle of his. Not just in terms of runs allowed, but in terms or innings and pitch-efficiency.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 06:56 PM
Game Held up. Batter's Eye is stuck on Budweiser and Aurilia doesn't like it.

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 06:56 PM
Arroyo's bad stretch ended two weeks ago. Harang's still in the middle of his. Not just in terms of runs allowed, but in terms or innings and pitch-efficiency.


Arroyo's bad stretch lasted quite a long time.

Harang has not been that much worse in the second half.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 06:57 PM
The Budweiser sign is stuck. It won't turn off....

The game rolls on

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 06:59 PM
Arroyo's bad stretch lasted quite a long time.

Harang has not been that much worse in the second half.

Arroyo had a really intensely bad stretch, Harang's less so (more a slow crumble). But Arroyo's return to form has been far more assured and complete, and for the season Arroyo's numbers pretty much out-everything Harang's.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 06:59 PM
Rich gets ahead 2-0, takes ball 3, called strike 1, Aurilia lines to CF. Inning over.

2-1 Pirates after 3.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:02 PM
That sign continues to hold up the game.

Play on...good lord

WebScorpion
09-09-2006, 07:04 PM
I was wondering what was going on...gameday just says 'on field delay'. I thought it was the naked cowboy or something. :confused:

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:05 PM
Harang doesn't seem to have it tonight...

Razor Shines
09-09-2006, 07:05 PM
Gosh Doumit!

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 07:05 PM
But Arroyo's return to form has been far more assured and complete, and for the season Arroyo's numbers pretty much out-everything Harang's.

THe only thing that Arroyo has done better than harang is out luck him.

Harang's DIPS at 3.49 vs. Arroyo's 4.13.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:06 PM
Nady grounds out to Encarnacion, 1 out in the 4th.

Doumit follows with a HR. 3-1 Pirates.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:07 PM
THe only thing that Arroyo has done better than harang is out luck him.

Harang's DIPS at 3.49 vs. Arroyo's 4.13.

I don't buy it. DIPS is the only "metric" that says Harang is outperforming Arroyo. Pardon my incredulity. I'll stick with what happened, not what's proposed to have happened.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:08 PM
Paulino K's. 2 outs.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:08 PM
Padres lost.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:08 PM
Castillo reaches on a Phillips error.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 07:09 PM
Giants Beat Padres 5-4

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:11 PM
Maholm K's swinging. 4 K's for Harang to give him 188 for the season.

3-1 Pirates heading to the bottom of the 4th.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:11 PM
Padres lost.

Padres lost...to another team in front of the Reds. Sisyphus.

Kc61
09-09-2006, 07:14 PM
I don't buy it. DIPS is the only "metric" that says Harang is outperforming Arroyo. Pardon my incredulity. I'll stick with what happened, not what's proposed to have happened.

Didn't mean to trigger a whole debate. Both have been excellent. My only question is whether they both will be able to do well after about 200 innings. Harang seems to be fading a bit. Arroyo was fabulous last time on short rest. We'll see.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:15 PM
Padres lost...to another team in front of the Reds. Sisyphus.

To bad they couldn't tie :D

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 07:16 PM
I don't buy it. DIPS is the only "metric" that says Harang is outperforming Arroyo. Pardon my incredulity. I'll stick with what happened, not what's proposed to have happened.

Harang has a better K ratio, 8.5 to 7.2.

Their walks are almost even Arroyo with a slight lead 2.4 to 2.5.

Arroyo gives up about a third of a HR more per nine.

THose are the only 3 metrics that matter and are controllable by the pitcher.

If you like to stick with what happened so much, last year Majewski was one of baseball's best set up men. And Cormier, with the Phillies, was lights out.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:17 PM
EdE struckout swinging, and then Dunn fell behind 0-2 before coming back to draw his 98th walk. Good atbat.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 07:17 PM
MLB.TV gone for me..anyone else?

RFS62
09-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Dinger

oneupper
09-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Forget it...just back to see Phillips go YARD!

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:18 PM
Wow!

:jump:

SirFelixCat
09-09-2006, 07:18 PM
BP with a 2-run HR to tie it at 3

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:19 PM
Phillips hits his 16th homer, tie game! 3-3.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:19 PM
Hopper out on the bunt attempt. Chuck Norris would have hit a 8-run homer.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 07:21 PM
LaRue bloops one to center.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:21 PM
LaRue singles on a 3-2 pitch. Harang steps in to hit.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:22 PM
Harang has a better K ratio, 8.5 to 7.2.

Their walks are almost even Arroyo with a slight lead 2.4 to 2.5.

Arroyo gives up about a third of a HR more per nine.

THose are the only 3 metrics that matter and are controllable by the pitcher.

If you like to stick with what happened so much, last year Majewski was one of baseball's best set up men. And Cormier, with the Phillies, was lights out.

Harang's given up 24 homers and hasn't been improving in that department; this will be the second straight season Harang's faded down the August/September stretch to end the season on the wrong side of a .750 OPSA; meanwhile Arroyo appears to have reined in his problems and has an excellent chance to finish the season with a sub-.700 OPSA.

Harang may give up slightly fewer homers, but he's given up quite a few more EBHs overall.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:23 PM
Harang fouled out. Inning over.

3-3 after 4.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:23 PM
I strongly dislike Indiana.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 07:23 PM
Doumit's homer was his fourth this season.

Three have been against the REDS!

Kc61
09-09-2006, 07:24 PM
I just hope Narron watches Harang carefully in this game. The top of the Pirates order is coming up and Aaron has been hit fairly hard in this game.

This is not a time for Jerry to be sticking forever with his starter, as he has done frequently this year.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:26 PM
This is not a time for Jerry to be sticking forever with his starter, as he has done frequently this year.

Especially now since they've found their closer in Majewski. :devil:

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:28 PM
I'll be called a jerk for this but I've been called worse: I'd like to see Harang drop about 15 lbs this offseason. Dunn, too.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:29 PM
I'll be called a jerk for this but I've been called worse: I'd like to see Harang drop about 15 lbs this offseason. Dunn, too.

It couldn't hurt, you jerk :)

RFS62
09-09-2006, 07:30 PM
I'll be called a jerk for this but I've been called worse: I'd like to see Harang drop about 15 lbs this offseason. Dunn, too.



FCB


http://www.usdreams.com/photos%20achievers/SimmonsRP44KS.jpg

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:30 PM
Harang is now up to 200.1 innings pitched this year. 188 K's.

3-3 game in the bottom of the 5th.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Freel K's swinging on ball 3. 1 out. 3 strikeouts for Freel.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:33 PM
FCB


http://www.usdreams.com/photos%20achievers/SimmonsRP44KS.jpg

Did I ever tell you that I met him once, and had my picture taken with him?

He was, you guessed it, wearing those very same nutshorts and tank-top. Awesome.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:34 PM
Clayton also K's. 2 outs for Aurilia.

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 07:35 PM
Did I ever tell you that I met him once, and had my picture taken with him?

He was, you guessed it, wearing those very same nutshorts and tank-top. Awesome.

The question that is on everyone's breath is, "were you?"

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:35 PM
RA singles to center on the first pitch. EdE up.

Falls City Beer
09-09-2006, 07:36 PM
The question that is on everyone's breath is, "were you?"

They only make short-shorts like that for Richard; even if I wanted a pair, I couldn't get them.

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2006, 07:36 PM
Did I ever tell you that I met him once, and had my picture taken with him?

He was, you guessed it, wearing those very same nutshorts and tank-top. Awesome.

HILARIOUS... RFS62 for posting it and FCB for the followup story! :laugh:

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:36 PM
EdE doubles, RA holds at 3rd. Dunn up.

pedro
09-09-2006, 07:38 PM
They only make short-shorts like that for Richard; even if I wanted a pair, I couldn't get them.

I have a buddy that worked at a sporting good's store in "boys town" in chicago. they had a closeout sale on the shorty shorts and he said they were all gone in about 2 hours. dudes were buying ten pairs at a time.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:38 PM
Dunn K's in a key situation.

I'm stunned.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:38 PM
Dunn K's to strand two.

3-3 after 5.

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 07:40 PM
...even if I wanted a pair....

That was your "aloud voice"...

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 07:41 PM
Dunn K's in a key situation.

I'm stunned.

RISP: .400 OBP/.579 SLG- .979 OPS

RISP w/2 Out: .411 OBP/.603 SLG- 1.014 OPS

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:42 PM
Bay K's.

189 for the season for Harang.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:45 PM
3-3 after 5 1/2.

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 07:46 PM
Dear Marty,

Just wanted to drop you a line to let you know there's a game being played tonight. Commenting on things like...oh...ball and strike count does help we fans follow along. Thanks.

Steel

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:47 PM
Dear Marty,

Just wanted to drop you a line to let you know there's a game being played tonight. Commenting on things like...oh...ball and strike count does help we fans follow along. Thanks.

Steel

He's promoting an event the Reds are holding. I don't think it's his choice.

Nor do I think he minds.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:48 PM
RISP: .400 OBP/.579 SLG- .979 OPS

RISP w/2 Out: .411 OBP/.603 SLG- 1.014 OPS

Shows what I know...

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 07:50 PM
He's promoting an event the Reds are holding. I don't think it's his choice.

Nor do I think he minds.

Exactly. :laugh:

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 07:50 PM
Shows what I know...

I watch every game, and I don't remember Dunn getting many hits with 2 outs and RISP.

He's obviously is doing it, but when?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:50 PM
Reds go in order in the 6th.

3-3 after 6.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:51 PM
I watch every game, and I don't remember Dunn getting many hits with 2 outs and RISP.

He's obviously is doing it, but when?

Maybe we blacked out...

pedro
09-09-2006, 07:52 PM
I watch every game, and I don't remember Dunn getting many hits with 2 outs and RISP.

He's obviously is doing it, but when?

july.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:55 PM
Indiana U. has the worst football team I've seen in a while.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:55 PM
4-3 Pirates on a RBI groundout.

alloverjr
09-09-2006, 07:56 PM
RISP: .400 OBP/.579 SLG- .979 OPS

RISP w/2 Out: .411 OBP/.603 SLG- 1.014 OPS


SLG, and to a lesser degree OPS, doesn't tell the story as it relates to run production regardless of the player. Dunn's SLG is obviousy heavily HR dependent, while another player may have equivalent #'s with RISP jam packed with singles and doubles. Point being that 4 singles with runners in scoring position count the same as 1 HR. Which player knocks in the most runs? Gotta look outside OPS for that. I think that is at the heart of the frustration with Dunn for those who are. He's expected to drive in runs and he doesn't convert the same # of times as other "big sticks" around the league.

For me, I'll take the OBP at the top of the lineup all day. Keep him out of the middle. Let him hit 40, walk 100+ and score 100+. I think he's miscast hitting in traditional RBI slots. But that's just my opinion.

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 07:56 PM
Ugh. Aurilia doesn't check the runner before backing up to get the force at 3rd and Castillo scores.

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 07:56 PM
What was Aurilia doing? How could the runner score on a sharp grounder right to Rich?

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 07:57 PM
4-3 Pirates after 6 1/2.

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2006, 07:57 PM
4-3 Pirates on a RBI groundout.

Marty & Steve say Aurilia would of had Castillo at home, but Aurilia seemed to think Castillo would not chance it and stepped on 3rd for the forceout on the hitter before throwing home and was late. Ouch!

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 07:57 PM
Indiana U. has the worst football team I've seen in a while.


Terry Hoeppner has some work to do

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 07:58 PM
What are the odds that Wise ends up left on second base?

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2006, 07:58 PM
Yeah... Wise w/ a leadoff double.

VR
09-09-2006, 07:59 PM
Marty & Steve say Aurilia would of had Castillo at home, but Aurilia seemed to think Castillo would not chance it and stepped on 3rd for the forceout on the hitter before throwing home and was late. Ouch!

Ok, I'm very confused.....isn't Richie playing 1st?

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 07:59 PM
Terry Hoeppner has some work to do

Alot of work but he will get them back to repectability.

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 08:00 PM
What are the odds that Wise ends up left on second base?


Way better than the odds of Wise getting there in the first place.

Kc61
09-09-2006, 08:00 PM
SLG, and to a lesser degree OPS, doesn't tell the story as it relates to run production regardless of the player. Dunn's SLG is obviousy heavily HR dependent, while another player may have equivalent #'s with RISP jam packed with singles and doubles. Point being that 4 singles with runners in scoring position count the same as 1 HR. Which player knocks in the most runs? Gotta look outside OPS for that. I think that is at the heart of the frustration with Dunn for those who are. He's expected to drive in runs and he doesn't convert the same # of times as other "big sticks" around the league.

For me, I'll take the OBP at the top of the lineup all day. Keep him out of the middle. Let him hit 40, walk 100+ and score 100+. I think he's miscast hitting in traditional RBI slots. But that's just my opinion.

Dunn's BA with RISP for August -- .188. Dunn's BA with RISP in Sept so far is .000 in a few at bats.

Dunn's OPS and OBP numbers are heavily dependent on his walks and home runs. I think we would all agree that his homers with RISP are good. I think there would be sharp disagreement about his walks with RISP.

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:00 PM
SLG, and to a lesser degree OPS, doesn't tell the story as it relates to run production regardless of the player. Dunn's SLG is obviousy heavily HR dependent, while another player may have equivalent #'s with RISP jam packed with singles and doubles. Point being that 4 singles with runners in scoring position count the same as 1 HR. Which player knocks in the most runs? Gotta look outside OPS for that. I think that is at the heart of the frustration with Dunn for those who are. He's expected to drive in runs and he doesn't convert the same # of times as other "big sticks" around the league.

For me, I'll take the OBP at the top of the lineup all day. Keep him out of the middle. Let him hit 40, walk 100+ and score 100+. I think he's miscast hitting in traditional RBI slots. But that's just my opinion.

Slugging Percentage correlates more highly with RBI acquisition rates than anything else. It tells more of the story than anything else.

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2006, 08:01 PM
Ok, I'm very confused.....isn't Richie playing 1st?

Yes... sorry! Hard to keep it straight w/ Aurilia and position. :)

oneupper
09-09-2006, 08:02 PM
Darn Narron. YOu have 3 SS on the bench. HIT for Clayton!

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 08:02 PM
Freel succesfully bunts Wise over to 3rd. 1 out.

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:03 PM
Dunn's BA with RISP for August -- .188. Dunn's BA with RISP in Sept so far is .000 in a few at bats.

Dunn's OPS and OBP numbers are heavily dependent on his walks and home runs. I think we would all agree that his homers with RISP are good. I think there would be sharp disagreement about his walks with RISP.

Players don't trade Hits for Walks. They trade Outs for Walks. Every single BB a player acquires in any situation enhances the probability that the team scores more Runs that Inning because Walks add baserunners and push runners forward on the bases.

But then, you've been told that before so I'm not sure why telling you again would actually matter.

NDRed
09-09-2006, 08:04 PM
Narron confuses me

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2006, 08:04 PM
Clayton with a sac. fly to RF! 4-4 ballgame. Small ball today... 2 sac. flies. Would'a thunk it?

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:04 PM
Reds need to get the lead and then finish them off...

There's a very big football game on :D

oneupper
09-09-2006, 08:05 PM
Clayton gets it done. SF to RF. Wise safe at home.
(still would have hit for him)

MrCinatit
09-09-2006, 08:08 PM
I have disliked Rich for quite a while. Gave him a lot of grief for starting over Lopez and Edward. Thought he had an overblown ego, was interested mainly in himself and would pout when not playing when and where he wanted.

Suddenly, I like the guy. He hits, and he plays when and where Jerry wants him - and seems thrilled about it.

Kc61
09-09-2006, 08:08 PM
Players don't trade Hits for Walks. They trade Outs for Walks. Every single BB a player acquires in any situation enhances the probability that the team scores more Runs that Inning because Walks add baserunners and push runners forward on the bases.

But then, you've been told that before so I'm not sure why telling you again would actually matter.

Some of us would dispute that heavily walk driven statistics are as significant as statistics reflecting base hits, including extra base hits.

With men in scoring position, I don't want Adam Dunn hitting .188 in August. He may have a lot of walks, increasing his OBP, but I want the base hit with a man on second.

I'm glad he homers sometimes, but I just don't agree with you that we should be delighted with his walk driven statistics.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 08:08 PM
Rich Singles to left.
EE pops up to Paulino (foul).

No double switch, please Jerry (unless its for Clayton).

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:09 PM
:laugh: Lee Corso is funny.

oneupper
09-09-2006, 08:10 PM
Coffey in (batting 9th).

RedFanAlways1966
09-09-2006, 08:10 PM
Aurilia singles after the sac. fly. His third hit. Had 7 three-hit games coming into today's game this year. Also has two 4-hit games.

In September... three 3-hit games. One four-hit game.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:13 PM
Get it done Coffey

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:14 PM
I'm sorry, but Todd Coffey has not been impressive in tough situations for quite some time.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:15 PM
Coffey is strictly a 6th or 7th inning pitcher, he seems to have major problems in pressure situations.

MrCinatit
09-09-2006, 08:17 PM
Wow. I'm not even seeing the play Dunn just made in the outfield - and I think my heart jumped into my sinuses.

SirFelixCat
09-09-2006, 08:17 PM
Wow...nice catch/effort by Dunn...that is/was a game saver...

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:17 PM
Coffey is strictly a 6th or 7th inning pitcher, he seems to have major problems in pressure situations.


The thing is, he usually gets himself into those situations

SirFelixCat
09-09-2006, 08:18 PM
Wow. I'm not even seeing the play Dunn just made in the outfield - and I think my heart jumped into my sinuses.


He had to REALLY hustle to his left into LCF to make the catch on the run...good and very nice.

VR
09-09-2006, 08:19 PM
Coffey is strictly a 6th or 7th inning pitcher, he seems to have major problems in pressure situations.

I'm not watching tonight...but it appears to me that Coffee's problem is missing too badly....making it easy for hitters to lay off when he's ahead in the count, forcing him to give them their pitch instead of hitting his.

SirFelixCat
09-09-2006, 08:19 PM
The WP was a nice block by Larue, but it bit real hard into the dirt and bounced off of Larue's chest juuuuuuust enough to let the runners advance.

Wheelhouse
09-09-2006, 08:19 PM
Players don't trade Hits for Walks. They trade Outs for Walks. Every single BB a player acquires in any situation enhances the probability that the team scores more Runs that Inning because Walks add baserunners and push runners forward on the bases.

But then, you've been told that before so I'm not sure why telling you again would actually matter.

I can't wait to see the look of confusion on the little leaguers whom you tell the point of the game is not to make an out :ughmamoru

SirFelixCat
09-09-2006, 08:20 PM
Grrrrrrrr.....

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:21 PM
Some of us would dispute that heavily walk driven statistics are as significant as statistics reflecting base hits, including extra base hits.

With men in scoring position, I don't want Adam Dunn hitting .188 in August. He may have a lot of walks, increasing his OBP, but I want the base hit with a man on second.

I'm glad he homers sometimes, but I just don't agree with you that we should be delighted with his walk driven statistics.

When a guy slugs .579 w/RISP, your complaints really don't have merit because that SLG is more closely tied to RBI acquisition than anything else.

And, again, Dunn can't choose between "Hit" or "Walk". His choice is between "Out" or "Walk". The best hitters in the game understand that concept. Even Albert Pujols has stated as much. When Dunn struggles, it's because he's trying to foolishly turn Walks into Hits by swinging at crap.

Ironically, if he'd do a better job of turning Outs into Walks rather than swinging at crap, his Batting Average would automatically increase because he'd be suppressing his AB volume. If that happened, you'd be peachy-keen with his Batting Average even though you wouldn't realize that said BA would be pushed upward by more Walks rather than more Hits. That's just simple math.

Wheelhouse
09-09-2006, 08:23 PM
When a guy slugs .579 w/RISP, your complaints really don't have merit because that SLG is more closely tied to RBI acquisition than anything else.

And, again, Dunn can't choose between "Hit" or "Walk". His choice is between "Out" or "Walk". The best hitters in the game understand that concept. Even Albert Pujols has stated as much. When Dunn struggles, it's because he's trying to foolishly turn Walks into Hits by swinging at crap.

Ironically, if he'd do a better job of turning Outs into Walks rather than swinging at crap, his Batting Average would automatically increase because he'd be suppressing his AB volume. If that happened, you'd be peachy-keen with his Batting Average even though you wouldn't realize that said BA would be pushed upward by more Walks rather than more Hits. That's just simple math.

Let me ask you, Sherlock: were you to ask Dunn himself about his performance, what do you think he'd say?

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:26 PM
It looks like Milwaukee will win tonight.

If the Reds lose, Milwaukee jumps over them in the WC.

That's sad.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:29 PM
Ross to hit for LaRue....

pedro
09-09-2006, 08:29 PM
Let me ask you, Sherlock: were you to ask Dunn himself about his performance, what do you think he'd say?

do you have to pick a fight in every thread?

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:29 PM
I can't wait to see the look of confusion on the little leaguers whom you tell the point of the game is not to make an out :ughmamoru

Little Leaguers? Heck, you're still confused about that simple concept. Kids far more easily understand the rules of the game.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:30 PM
do you have to pick a fight in every thread?


My dad can beat up your dad

pedro
09-09-2006, 08:31 PM
My dad can beat up your dad

marty couldn't beat up anybody ;)

PuffyPig
09-09-2006, 08:32 PM
It looks like Milwaukee will win tonight.

If the Reds lose, Milwaukee jumps over them in the WC.

That's sad.

What's sad is listening to anything Marty says.

The Brewers are 13 games below .500 and trail the Astros 9-1. I think it's the Asstros who would leaf frog us.

Marty is also about to go homeless. He said you can bet the ranch that Gonzalez will pitch the 9th for the save. That's the same Gonzalez that is out for the year, and has been for some time.

Kc61
09-09-2006, 08:32 PM
Ironically, if he'd do a better job of turning Outs into Walks rather than swinging at crap, his Batting Average would automatically increase because he'd be suppressing his AB volume. If that happened, you'd be peachy-keen with his Batting Average even though you wouldn't realize that said BA would be pushed upward by more Walks rather than more Hits. That's just simple math.

Respectfully, I don't think my point is clear.

There's nothing wrong with Dunn's walks. Nobody wants him to swing at bad pitches when he should walk.

But there are many at bats in which Dunn doesn't walk. In August, in those non-walk at bats, he hit .188. In August, with men in RISP, when he didn't walk, Dunn hit .188. That's the problem.

I'm glad Dunn walks when the pitches are bad. But I still want him to hit higher than .188 when he doesn't walk. The walks don't compensate for the .188. That's all.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:32 PM
Ross not hitting now...Javy is

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:33 PM
What's sad is listening to anything Marty says.

The Brewers are 13 games below .500 and trail the Astros 9-1. I think it's the Asstros who would leaf frog us.

Marty is also about to go homeless. He said you can bet the ranch that Gonzalez will pitch the 9th for the save. That's the same Gonzalez that is out for the year, and has been for some time.

I guess Marty's having a bad day.... :laugh:


He said the Reds were playing the Giants earlier :D

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:34 PM
Respectfully, I don't think my point is clear.

There's nothing wrong with Dunn's walks. Nobody wants him to swing at bad pitches when he should walk.

But there are many at bats in which Dunn doesn't walk. In August, in those non-walk at bats, he hit .188. In August, with men in RISP, when he didn't walk, Dunn hit .188. That's the problem.

I'm glad Dunn walks when the pitches are bad. But I still want him to hit higher than .188 when he doesn't walk. The walks don't compensate for the .188. That's all.

And y'know how he's most likely to hit for a higher BA? More Walks.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:34 PM
Hatte on deck

pedro
09-09-2006, 08:35 PM
Respectfully, I don't think my point is clear.

There's nothing wrong with Dunn's walks. Nobody wants him to swing at bad pitches when he should walk.

But there are many at bats in which Dunn doesn't walk. In August, in those non-walk at bats, he hit .188. In August, with men in RISP, when he didn't walk, Dunn hit .188. That's the problem.

I'm glad Dunn walks when the pitches are bad. But I still want him to hit higher than .188 when he doesn't walk. The walks don't compensate for the .188. That's all.


otoh, dunn's walk total in Augsut was his lowest of any month this year.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:38 PM
Jerry's boy, Ryan Franklin to pitch

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:40 PM
EE botches a throw to first on a routine grounder, and Bautista is on base.

Wheelhouse
09-09-2006, 08:40 PM
do you have to pick a fight in every thread?

Whoa--I'd reaaaaaaaly be interested in looking at the history of these threads and see who does the fight-picking...

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:40 PM
Edwin has been pretty good at third lately and Marty goes on like he makes an error on every play, I just wish Marty would retire.

pedro
09-09-2006, 08:43 PM
Edwin has been pretty good at third lately and Marty goes on like he makes an error on every play, I just wish Marty would retire.


I know. it's the only time he's even paid attention to the game all day.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:44 PM
I know. it's the only time he's even paid attention to the game all day.

Tonight is Marty at his best.

RedLegSuperStar
09-09-2006, 08:45 PM
Pittsburg.. The Pirates.. Aaron Harang starting.. And we are losing.. Pittsburg.. D@mn! This season was fun, exciting, and then heart breaking!

Hope they prove me wrong in the bottom of the 9th

VR
09-09-2006, 08:45 PM
Sadly, Adam just can't afford to take strikes....because then it becomes walks or outs. He is a batters' count hitter, after 1 strike he suffers, after 2 it gets really really ugly.

It's all about adjusting after getting behind in the count, something Adam admittedly struggles with. He likes to sit on fat pitches, and you just can't do that when you're behind in the count. That's about all that seperates him from the Ryan Howards, David Ortiz, and to a lesser extent the Albert Pujols of the world. He's all or nothing in the count, they're all over hitter's counts, yet still produce decently when faced with pitcher's counts.

MrCinatit
09-09-2006, 08:49 PM
Ryan Franklin - the gift that keeps on giving.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:49 PM
Bay adds 2 more.

Pirates up 7-4.


I'm glad there's a good game on TV tonight.

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Ryan Franklin pitching in close games might be one of the dumber things to happen this season. Scratch that. Remove "might". Insert "is".

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Well I was going to go to the game on tuesday but now I think im going to pass and save my money.

MrCinatit
09-09-2006, 08:51 PM
Marty going off on people who are complaining about the club.
See, folks? Irony DOES exist in the U.S.

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:52 PM
Marty just completely going off on the Reds team right now. Unreal.

Wheelhouse
09-09-2006, 08:52 PM
Ryan Franklin pitching in close games might be one of the dumber things to happen this season. Scratch that. Remove "might". Insert "is".

Agreed. Narron is like a beaten wife who refuses to press charges against her husband.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:52 PM
Now Marty is on his soap box, he does a hack job announcing the game tonight and rips Edwin for what seemed like 3 minutes and then rips the fans for wanting Narron fired. Marty is killing me tonight.

Kc61
09-09-2006, 08:52 PM
Well, don't fret, our two effective relievers, Weathers and Shoenweis, each well rested, are still in the bullpen. If Reds tie it up they are around.

Why haven't they pitched you ask? Why did we have a Franklin v. Bay matchup there?

SteelSD
09-09-2006, 08:54 PM
Agreed. Narron is like a beaten wife who refuses to press charges against her husband.

:laugh:

Perfect analogy. :thumbup:

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 08:54 PM
I hope Bob Castallini is listening tonight and calls Marty to the carpet for being a washed up hack.

MrCinatit
09-09-2006, 08:55 PM
A few minutes after complaining that people keep complaining about the ballclub, Marty states "We have seen every weakness of this ballclub tonight" - which we have. But the irony still continues to kill me.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:56 PM
For those interested.... Buckeyes 7, Longhorns 0

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:57 PM
I love complaining about complaining.

alloverjr
09-09-2006, 08:57 PM
I hope Bob Castallini is listening tonight and calls Marty to the carpet for being a washed up hack.


To do that he would have to admit that he was wrong and that Narron and Krivsky aren't doing their job. Marty was sticking up for those two when he went on his rant. Bob doesn't seem like that type of guy. Maybe I'm wrong.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 08:57 PM
A select few will be tickled pink that tomorrow will be Joe and Steve in the booth.

RedLegSuperStar
09-09-2006, 08:58 PM
Agreed. Narron is like a beaten wife who refuses to press charges against her husband.


Hahahahahaha! Absolutly one of the finest quotes i've seen.. so true!

Wheelhouse
09-09-2006, 08:58 PM
Yuck. Loss.

Ron Madden
09-09-2006, 08:59 PM
A select few will be tickled pink that tomorrow will be Joe and Steve.

You can count me in on that select few. :)

BoydsOfSummer
09-09-2006, 09:00 PM
Go Buckeyes!

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 09:00 PM
To do that he would have to admit that he was wrong and that Narron and Krivsky aren't doing their job. Marty was sticking up for those two when he went on his rant. Bob doesn't seem like that type of guy. Maybe I'm wrong.

I was actually talking about the way he has called the game then went into a 3 minute diatribe about EE's throwing error, saying that the Brewers were going to pass the Reds into second place, saying the Reds were playing the Giants and so on. Marty had one foot out the door tonight because he is off sunday, I just wish he was off every day from now on his act is so old.

RedLegSuperStar
09-09-2006, 09:01 PM
Sunday will be a day people turn off Reds and tune in Bengals.. so so close...

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:01 PM
I was actually talking about the way he has called the game then went into a 3 minute diatribe about EE's throwing error, saying that the Brewers were going to pass the Reds into second place, saying the Reds were playing the Giants and so on. Marty had one foot out the door tonight because he is off sunday, I just wish he was off every day from now on his act is so old.


Why put yourself through the misery?

Kc61
09-09-2006, 09:01 PM
I don't know how anyone can defend a decision to have Ryan Franklin pitch the ninth inning of this ballgame. It's like management decided: "Pittsburgh is right handed. So I can only use my righty pitchers. Oh, but not Weathers until the game is tied."

Ron Madden
09-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Why put yourself through the misery?

I love the Reds.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Why put yourself through the misery?

I love the Reds and there is no tv tonight. Do you know Marty? Just wondering what kind of a guy he is?

MaineRed
09-09-2006, 09:06 PM
Matt, do you work at WLW?

Edit: Sorry, didn't see the question above.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:06 PM
Matt, do you work at WLW?

Yes...

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:06 PM
I love the Reds and there is no tv tonight. Do you know Marty? Just wondering what kind of a guy he is?

He's a nice guy. He's a lot of fun. Lots of joking and laughter

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 09:07 PM
Does he have a high opinion of himself? He sure comes off that way.

WVRedsFan
09-09-2006, 09:09 PM
Tough game thread.

On Marty. It has nothing to do with being washed up. This is Marty. This is the way he is, has been and will be. He develops friendships with all the managers...Boone, Miley and now Narron have all been his friends. I remember him defending Miley the same way when we all knew he had to go. I remember the Pirate announcers defending Lloyd McClendon (unbelievably) just before he got fired. It's the nature of the beast. As for ripping the team, I'd much rather hear that than the "sunny side up" routine that Grande goes through every night. I know some disagree. Fact is, we didn't have a good game and Edwin's throw and Rich's brain cramp did lead to the loss. The Grande version would be that it was excusable because both had such a great season. Sorry, but I hate that.

On Narron. I said early in the season when he kept sending certain pitchers out to predictably get their brains beat out (a reliever named Chris comes to mind :) ) that he used a certain script for bringing in relievers. It's also painfully obvious that once he makes up his mind, the interim pitching coach does nothing to change it. Franklin, regardless of his effectiveness, is one of his favorites. One of the many reasons why you need to replace Narron and find a pitching coach. All the maneuvers by Krivsky didn't make one little difference in the outcomes because the manager couldn't handle the staff and there was no pitching coach to reign him in (or at least advise him--sorry Humie fans).

This has been worse than just falling out of the race in May. I thought we had a chance in spite of Krivsky's moves and Narron's boneheaded pitching decisions (not to mention his lineups). It hurts to be wrong.

It was over after the Giants-Dodgers series.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:11 PM
Does he have a high opinion of himself? He sure comes off that way.

He knows he's good at what he does, and knows how to work it (but you have to in this business), but I wouldn't say he strokes his ego or makes others feel lower than him.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 09:14 PM
He knows he's good at what he does, and knows how to work it (but you have to in this business), but I wouldn't say he strokes his ego or makes others feel lower than him.

Is it that he just doesnt like his job anyomore then? He just comes off like his flat out miserable and angry that he has to be there and call the game. He is great about 5 games a year now it just seems like he has lost interest.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:17 PM
Is it that he just doesnt like his job anyomore then? He just comes off like his flat out miserable and angry that he has to be there and call the game. He is great about 5 games a year now it just seems like he has lost interest.

He wants to go for another 4 years or so I believe.

He loves his job and he knows it's the greatest gig in the world, but like us, he gets frustrated when the team plays bad and he voices it, much like we do.

Maybe he's a little tough on some of the players sometimes.....but, so are we.

MaineRed
09-09-2006, 09:22 PM
But none of us call games for the Reds.

Does anyone know of any other announcers that do what Marty does? I haven't heard any.

Yes the sunny side up routine can be annoying, but Grande takes it to the extreme. Both sides are annoying.

I've said it before, Vin Scully has been with the Dodgers longer than Marty has been with the Reds. He obviously is a fan. Back in the 50s up through this day, if the Dodgers went 0-162 and commited 4 errors every night, Scully would keep his cool and announce the games with professionalism. And he'd do it without sounding anything like George Grande.

Scully would tell stories about other baseball disasters and members of the Hall of Shame. He would tell stories about Babe Ruth playing for the Boston Braves and winning 60 games less than he was used to winning. That is what Hall of Fame announcers do. Well, all of them but one.

Obviously Marty is his own man but in this respect, I think it sheds him in a bad light. If he wants to go down as the only play by play guy in the HOF who should have the chip on his shoulder mentioned on his plaque, so be it.

WVRedsFan
09-09-2006, 09:23 PM
He wants to go for another 4 years or so I believe.

He loves his job, but like us, he gets frustrated when the team plays bad and he voices it, much like we do.

Maybe he's a little tough on some of the players sometimes.....but, so are we.

That sums it up. One more thing. Tonight, I was lucky enough to have the Pirates' broadcast on and it was the most boring, totally uninspiring pbp in the world. Many like that, I know. It appeals to those of us who are purists and love to just know what's going on. It puts me to sleep. I like the give-and-take and the foolishness. I listen to the Washington Redskins broadcasts sometimes to hear Sonny Jurgenson, Sam Huff and the straight man go at it, too. Marty makes it interesting and the fact that he makes people like him or hate him makes him just what radio wants. Notice who is staying and who is going in the booth?

WVRedsFan
09-09-2006, 09:25 PM
But none of us call games for the Reds.

Does anyone know of any other announcers that do what Marty does? I haven't heard any.

Yes the sunny side up routine can be annoying, but Grande takes it to the extreme. Both sides are annoying.

I've said it before, Vin Scully has been with the Dodgers longer than Marty has been with the Reds. He obviously is a fan. Back in the 50s up through this day, if the Dodgers went 0-162 and commited 4 errors every night, Scully would keep his cool and announce the games with professionalism.

Obviously Marty is his own man but in this respect, I think it sheds him in a bad light. If he wants to go down as the only play by play guy in the HOF who should have the chip on his shoulder mentioned on his plaque, so be it.

To each his own. I just think that going on and on about it gets tiring every night, but I'm only one person.

MaineRed
09-09-2006, 09:26 PM
He wants to go for another 4 years or so I believe.


Thank goodness for the new TV deal.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:28 PM
But none of us call games for the Reds.

Does anyone know of any other announcers that do what Marty does?

Maybe that's the point....he doesn't do what "other announcers do."

Like it or not.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:29 PM
Thank goodness for the new TV deal.

145 games too

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 09:30 PM
Thank goodness for the new TV deal.

I second that sentament.

redsfanmia
09-09-2006, 09:31 PM
Matt any word on who is going to replace the bad boy?

Kc61
09-09-2006, 09:32 PM
Marty is still excellent. I like his rants, even if I don't agree with every word.

I do think that an earlier post was dead on about the use of pitching. Sticking with starters too long. Using relievers in pre-conceived spots, regardless of the circumstances.

This game was very important. Yet Franklin, a guy DFA'd by Philly, was pitching in the ninth inning against Jason Bay in a one run game. With Weathers sitting in the pen.

Ron Madden
09-09-2006, 09:33 PM
I quess Marty has his good days and his bad days.
It seems to me that his bad days outnumber his goood ones lately. That does not mean I Hate him.

MaineRed
09-09-2006, 09:35 PM
So because the Pirate guys suck, that makes Marty good?

The Reds are a better team than the Pirates. Does that mean anything? So why does it matter that Marty is better? Compared to Scully, Marty stinks. Compared to the Mets, the Reds stink.

So based on the complaining about Marty is old logic, complainging about the Reds, who are better than the Pirates is old too.

I think Marty has been around so long that many of you have forgot what a BASEBALL game is supposed to sound like.

Hint, questions about the name of some gangsta that you drag on for six innings doesn't make the cut.

Again, imagine Vin Scully with those stupid trivia questions and all the references to the people nobody knows.

Maybe I'm using too high a standard but Marty is in the Hall of Fame, right there with Scully. I don't forget this because Marty won't let me.

Matt700wlw
09-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Matt any word on who is going to replace the bad boy?

It's gotten pretty quiet...very hush hush.

I don't know

MaineRed
09-09-2006, 09:41 PM
Maybe that's the point....he doesn't do what "other announcers do."

Like it or not.

No joke he doesn't do what other announcers do. Which is why I think more people are laughing at him than he realizes. He makes an ass out of himself in the booth.

Its to bad he doesn't have someone close enough to him to fill him in on this.

Wheelhouse
09-09-2006, 09:41 PM
But none of us call games for the Reds.

Does anyone know of any other announcers that do what Marty does? I haven't heard any.

Yes the sunny side up routine can be annoying, but Grande takes it to the extreme. Both sides are annoying.

I've said it before, Vin Scully has been with the Dodgers longer than Marty has been with the Reds. He obviously is a fan. Back in the 50s up through this day, if the Dodgers went 0-162 and commited 4 errors every night, Scully would keep his cool and announce the games with professionalism. And he'd do it without sounding anything like George Grande.

Scully would tell stories about other baseball disasters and members of the Hall of Shame. He would tell stories about Babe Ruth playing for the Boston Braves and winning 60 games less than he was used to winning. That is what Hall of Fame announcers do. Well, all of them but one.

Obviously Marty is his own man but in this respect, I think it sheds him in a bad light. If he wants to go down as the only play by play guy in the HOF who should have the chip on his shoulder mentioned on his plaque, so be it.

I see what you're saying, but as for me, I like Marty's emotion and criticism. And I find Vin Scully wildly predictable and impersonal. He just reads anecdotes from each team's press guide. I like the quality of his voice but he's a bore. Marty's got some juice. And I don't always agree with him.

MaineRed
09-09-2006, 09:51 PM
The critism is fine if it came from someone a little more willing to accept some himself.

Ever heard Marty go off on an emailer?

He chucks stones and he lives in a glass house.

OnBaseMachine
09-09-2006, 10:11 PM
Off topic - Stupid Indiana cost me 50 dollars on my parlay cards. All they needed to do was beat Ball freakin' State by four points or more and I would win 50 bucks, instead they one won 24-23. Their stupid kicker missed a freakin' 25 yard field goal to screw me out of some money.

Ltlabner
09-09-2006, 10:17 PM
Just got home from the game. A horrible game.

The team seems defeated after the disaster that was the west coast road trip. Not sure how you measure it, but they seemed to be mailing it in tonight unlike many of the games earlier in the year. They were dead as doornails on Monday also.

Freel looked horrible at the plate tonight. Was sitting in the club home seats and had a great view. Many of his swings just looked weak. On average nobody was really on fire tonight. Hopper is pretty speedy. Had a nice catch and a head first sliding double.

For those who want Dunn to be angry and freak out to prove how dedicated to winning he is, he was irrate with himself in one of his at bats. I couldn't tell but I think he swung and missed one down broadway. He drove the handle of the bat into the ground, kicked the ground a bit and basically threw his helmet on the ground. Actaully, EE was mad at himself after a poor at bat also.

EE's throwing error was on a tough play with a long throw and a fast runner. I'd rather he made the throw of course, but I wasn't too worked up over it. RA's complete brain cramp was a far bigger deal, IMO. He just vapor locked and did nothing till it was too late to get the out at home.

The deal with sending Ross up to PH and then having to waste him because of a pitching change was pretty weird.

So Coffey pitches last night with a huge lead when some of the chaff should have been in there. He comes in tonight and you could tell right away he didn't have it. I'm not saying he would have been lights out tonight had he not pitched last night but maybe he would have been a little "fresher". IMO it's just another example of Narron's poor use of the bullpen. And where is Hume on both of those decisions?

Coffey didn't have it and instead of yanking the plug right now Narron stuck with him. Why Jerry is fixated on Franklin right now is beyond me. And why he didn't pull the plug on him when he got into trouble is beyond me. And again, where is Hume on both of those decisions. The outcome of the game was not a shock after he took the mound.

Despite the Reds fading the staff at GABP remains friendly and outgoing. They all say "enjoy the game", "thank you", "how may I help you" and go out of their way to help out.

Chip R
09-09-2006, 10:45 PM
Funny you guys should complain about Marty again. I just happened to be reading the New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract today and came across this passage abot Waite Hoyt:

"Afer his pitching career he decided to leave the stiffs and stayed in baseball for 30 years as a Cincinnati broadcaster, giving countless interviews about Babe Ruth and baseball in the 1920s, becoming grouchier and grouchier as he did so, until, at the end, he appeared to deeply resent anybody else pretending to have any knowledge or understanding of anything connected with baseball before 1930."

Maybe it's something in the water. ;)