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flyer85
09-15-2006, 02:43 PM
Jerry had a few too many on the flight to Chicago.

Hopper batting 2nd, no EE, Clayton at SS hitting 7th while Phillips hits 8th all against a RHP.

Freel
Hopper
Hatty
Aurilia
Dunn
Ross
Clayton
Phillips
Arroyo

Danny Serafini
09-15-2006, 02:44 PM
I'll just call it interesting and leave it at that.

zombie-a-go-go
09-15-2006, 02:45 PM
I'm waiting for the Cenobites. That'll make it complete.

HotCorner
09-15-2006, 03:12 PM
It's official. Narron has thrown in the towel.

Natty Redlocks
09-15-2006, 03:12 PM
Jerry had a few too many on the flight to Chicago.

Hopper batting 2nd, no EE, Clayton at SS hitting 7th while Phillips hits 8th all against a RHP.


Yeah, because everything else has been working so well.

flyer85
09-15-2006, 03:15 PM
Yeah, because everything else has been working so well.then why not play Harris, Castro and Denorfia as well? Afterall, they haven't been playing during the slide.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:17 PM
I like Hopper batting 2nd... Give's us speed at the top... However, I definitely would have Edwin's in there over Clayton, this is do or die time, every at-bat is crucial!

flyer85
09-15-2006, 03:21 PM
I like Hopper batting 2nd... Give's us speed at the top... wouldn't Phillips do that?

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:23 PM
Freel walks...

Natty Redlocks
09-15-2006, 03:24 PM
then why not play Harris, Castro and Denorfia as well? Afterall, they haven't been playing during the slide.

Just wait for tomorrow's lineup.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:24 PM
wouldn't Phillips do that?

True, I just feel he's a better RBI man at 6 or 7 than an on-base man at the top....

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Ramirez makes a great diving play to rob Hatteberg... 2 down

flyer85
09-15-2006, 03:26 PM
After a walk, Norris "the hacker" Hopper erases Freel with a ground ball.

Gotta love it. :D

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:28 PM
Hopper caught stealing by a mile!

flyer85
09-15-2006, 03:29 PM
Hilarious, thrown out on ball three to your cleanup hitter.

Thanks Jerry. :thumbup:

I'd say Hoppy was a big plus that inning.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Pierre grounds to Rich... 1 down

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:31 PM
Cedeno lines a single to center...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Our ONLY hope is to sweep this series where we get Mateo, Hill and Marshall..... Then, I'll have faith again

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:34 PM
Cedeno caught stealing by Ross... 2 down

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:35 PM
Ramirez walks... 2 down Jones up

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:36 PM
Wild pitch Arroyo....

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:39 PM
Arroyo walks another...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Aurilia flips to 2nd for the FC... 0-0 top 2nd

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:45 PM
Rich K's... 1 down

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:48 PM
Dunn grounds to Cedeno... 2 down

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:50 PM
Ross K's... 1-2-3 inning for Mateo...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:54 PM
Arroyo K's Moore... Michalak goes tomorrow, Milton Sunday, and Lohse Monday....

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:55 PM
Izturis flies to Dunn... 2 down

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 03:56 PM
Blanco flies to Hopper at the track... 1-2-3 for Arroyo...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:00 PM
Clayton pops to Ramirez... 1 down... 6 in a row for this Mateo kid... shew

flyer85
09-15-2006, 04:01 PM
The last two days the Reds have faced Cy Hensley and Cy Mateo. At least they are making lots of early outs.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:01 PM
Phillips walks... Arroyo up to Sac. I'd imagine...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:02 PM
Cy Marmol in the pen... but why?

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:03 PM
Why can we never get a Sac Bunt down???

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:04 PM
Freel rips one to the track but pierre gets to it... no score mid 3rd..

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:08 PM
Coats hitting for Mateo??? I guess we'll see Cy Marmol

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:10 PM
Arroyo K's Coats.. 1 down

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:11 PM
Pierre singles to center...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:16 PM
Cedeno grounds into a 4-6-3 yesiree DP to end the inning.. 0-0 top 4...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:17 PM
Chuck Norris Hopper leads off the 4th with a walk...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:17 PM
Apparently Mateo injured his back.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:19 PM
Hatte walks.... 1st and 2nd Rich up... Be patient... Marmol is wild!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:19 PM
I likfe this Marmol guy. We won't need to get any hits if he never throws a strike.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:21 PM
RA drives in a run

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:21 PM
WE SCORE WE SCORE!!! Richie you da man..

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:21 PM
Dunn follows up with a FO to left... wow, he's terrible, im sorry...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:21 PM
I was just thinking this might be the time for Dunn to break out. I should have thought fly out.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:23 PM
David Ross!!!!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:23 PM
At least its safe to say that we don't make every pitcher look like Cy Young.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:24 PM
ROSSEY!!!! 2-2 with 2 Jacks off of Marmol!!! 4-0 Reds, we have a lead!

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:24 PM
Clayton walks... Here comes the scoring in bunches again... lol

Tom Servo
09-15-2006, 04:24 PM
Hooray David Ross

dabvu2498
09-15-2006, 04:26 PM
I'm still in shock that "Da Hopp" took a walk.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:27 PM
That was really horrible.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:27 PM
Strike out - Throw out double play with Clayton out at 2nd

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:28 PM
4-0 Reds mid 4th...

Tom Servo
09-15-2006, 04:29 PM
Strike out - Throw out double play with Clayton out at 2nd
3 run HR? Bah.

There's the Reds we know.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:29 PM
Ramirez doubles to left...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:31 PM
Jones grounds to 2nd... 1 down AR to 3rd...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:31 PM
Jones GO. Ramirez to 3b

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:33 PM
Murton walks

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:33 PM
Murton walks... 1st and 3rd Moore up... GIDP please...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:35 PM
Arroyo gets the rookie swinging

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:36 PM
Izturis is really not very good.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:37 PM
On to the fifth. I hope we get to pound on Marmol some more.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:38 PM
Jae Kuk Ryu on to pitch for the Cubs. I have no idea who he is, but he has a 7.71 era.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Arroyo K's... 1 down, just keep pitching Bronson!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Arroyo stikes out swinging

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:41 PM
Freel K's... 2 down

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:43 PM
Now we're facing Korean Cy Young

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:43 PM
I really hope we get Luis Gonzalez or Trot Nixon this offseason and let Freel go back to being played around everywhere... Or we could trade Dunn for a stud and let the Outfield be Freel, Griffey, Nixon.... That'd work for me!

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:43 PM
imagine this: 1.Freel 2.Hatteberg 3.Aurilia 4.Griffey 5.Encarnacion 6.Nixon 7.Phillips 8.Ross WOW!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:45 PM
We don't need to add anymore aging broken down players to the outfield. One is enough.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:46 PM
imagine this: 1.Freel 2.Hatteberg 3.Aurilia 4.Griffey 5.Encarnacion 6.Nixon 7.Phillips 8.Ross WOW!

Are you serious?? Do you really think this lineup will be better with Nixon than Dunn? That lineup is really more UGHH! than WOW!

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:46 PM
I don't call Nixon or Gonzo a broken down player... They are showing no signs of slowing down right now... a 1-2 year deal would be sufficient enough... I just have a feeling Krivsky is gonna deal Dunn this offseason for pitching, pitching and more pitching...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:49 PM
You do realize that Nixon was 7 homeruns and a .794 OPS while Dunn has 40 home runs and .884 OPS. You think the offense is bad now.

BRM
09-15-2006, 04:49 PM
imagine this: 1.Freel 2.Hatteberg 3.Aurilia 4.Griffey 5.Encarnacion 6.Nixon 7.Phillips 8.Ross WOW!

I see a team that will score far fewer runs than this year's version and the defense would still be very bad. You better have a dynamite pitching staff if you want to be a .500 club with this lineup.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:50 PM
Are you serious?? Do you really think this lineup will be better with Nixon than Dunn? That lineup is really more UGHH! than WOW!

I meant to put Nixon/Gonzo in that spot... I'd probably rather have Dunn than Nixon and Gonzo, but I'm just saying that's what I feel Krivsky will do... If Dunn can fetch a good younger starting pitcher, That'd be great... Do you really think Gonzo's .300 AVG 20 HR 90 RBI with clutch hitting would be a big decline to Adam Dunn???

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:52 PM
Cedeno flies to Hopper to end the inning... 4-0 Reds top 6... Arroyo with 92 pitches in 5 innings...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:54 PM
Trot Nixon is 32 and has played in only 100 of Boston's 156 games.
Gonzalez is 39 which is two years older than Griffey who everyone believes is finished.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:54 PM
Cy Walrond in to pitch???

BRM
09-15-2006, 04:55 PM
I meant to put Nixon/Gonzo in that spot... I'd probably rather have Dunn than Nixon and Gonzo, but I'm just saying that's what I feel Krivsky will do... If Dunn can fetch a good younger starting pitcher, That'd be great... Do you really think Gonzo's .300 AVG 20 HR 90 RBI with clutch hitting would be a big decline to Adam Dunn???

Luis hasn't put up a line similar to that one since 2003. I'd pass on him personally.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:56 PM
Trot Nixon is 32 and has played in only 100 of Boston's 156 games.
Gonzalez is 39 which is two years older than Griffey who everyone believes is finished.

Okay, my bad I guess Gonzo's 50 doubles and .290 AVG. shows me he's done... some guys stay in shape and have good years... I'm not saying to sign him up for a multi-year deal.....

joshnky
09-15-2006, 04:56 PM
Do you really think Gonzo's .300 AVG 20 HR 90 RBI with clutch hitting would be a big decline to Adam Dunn???

He is 39 years old. Those numbers will not improve and will probably decrease. Dunn (despite the grief he gets) still is young and has potential to bounce back better next year. If anything is numbers won't be any worse.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 04:58 PM
Rich K's... 2 down Dunn up

He's Dunn It
09-15-2006, 04:59 PM
Royce Clayton makes Lenny Harris look like a freaking gold glover.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:00 PM
Dunn K's... nothing to say

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:02 PM
Here is what it comes down to. If you trade Dunn you should get good young pitching in return. To complement the young pitching it would be ideal to have young players so that the Reds can make a serious run in a couple years. Stocking up on young pitching to go along with a lineup of KGJ, Gonzo, Hat, and RA would be a bad idea. Trading Dunn would be with the purpose of rebuilding and you don't rebuild with a cast of old players. Thats just how I see it.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:02 PM
Ramirez flies to Dunn...

BRM
09-15-2006, 05:02 PM
Dunn K's... nothing to say

Dunn had a .700 OPS in August and he had a .676 OPS in September coming into today's game. That's a long slump.

dabvu2498
09-15-2006, 05:04 PM
Dunn had a .700 OPS in August and he had a .676 OPS in September coming into today's game. That's a long slump.

Would extra batting practice help??? :dunno: :evil:

BRM
09-15-2006, 05:05 PM
Would extra batting practice help??? :dunno: :evil:

More time on the golf course to ease his mind might help. ;)

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:06 PM
Here is what it comes down to. If you trade Dunn you should get good young pitching in return. To complement the young pitching it would be ideal to have young players so that the Reds can make a serious run in a couple years. Stocking up on young pitching to go along with a lineup of KGJ, Gonzo, Hat, and RA would be a bad idea. Trading Dunn would be with the purpose of rebuilding and you don't rebuild with a cast of old players. Thats just how I see it.

Why does trading Dunn constitute rebuilding?? Have you watched him the last 2 months... He has been horrendous, and I really hope he improves but I just can't stand this production... You should read this column, it's what had me thinking....http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060915/COL03/609150451/1082/SPT

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:07 PM
Dunn's slump seems very strange to me. He had a .795 and .846 OPS in Aug/Sept last year which isn't great but not as bad as this. So he is probably not tiring. Is he pressing to much with the team in the WC race?

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:07 PM
Another solid day for Arroyo thus far...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:09 PM
Ross K's...

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:10 PM
Adam Dunn's most productive season came in 2004, when he posted career highs in batting average (.266), home runs (46), RBI (102), runs (105), hits (151), doubles (34), on base percentage (.388), slugging average (.569) and OPS (.957). I don't see any improvement in Dunn's numbers as he's aged!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:11 PM
Why does trading Dunn constitute rebuilding?? Have you watched him the last 2 months... He has been horrendous, and I really hope he improves but I just can't stand this production... You should read this column, it's what had me thinking....http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060915/COL03/609150451/1082/SPT

I've already read the article and understand what you're saying but regardless of his recent slump Dunn is the most feared hitter on this team. When you trade someone lilke that it usually means rebuilding because that is a lot to replace. Regardless of your feelings on Dunn you have to admit that his production would be difficult to replace without bringing in someone like Vernon Wells or maybe Torii Hunter.

jesusfan
09-15-2006, 05:11 PM
Clayton grounds to 1st... 2 down

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:13 PM
Adam Dunn's most productive season came in 2004, when he posted career highs in batting average (.266), home runs (46), RBI (102), runs (105), hits (151), doubles (34), on base percentage (.388), slugging average (.569) and OPS (.957). I don't see any improvement in Dunn's numbers as he's aged!

I didn't say he would improve just that he had potential contrasted to Gonzalez who has very little chance of putting up an improved year at 40.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:13 PM
BP is a strikeout machine

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:14 PM
Well, despite our shortcomings I feel confident that we can hold on and win this one. One game at a time and who knows...

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:16 PM
Hey jesusfan it looks like we'll make this gamethread longer than the ORG thread.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:17 PM
I guess the all star posters only come around when things are going good or there is controversy.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:18 PM
5 pitch inning for Arroyo and we're on to the 8th.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:19 PM
I don't really understand why we didn't pinch hit for Arroyo there but oh well. 1 down.

Red Rover
09-15-2006, 05:20 PM
a blistering 5 hits total through 7 innings by both teams. I believe that if somehow Arroyo could face the Reds hitters he'd through a no-no.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:21 PM
Freel out again. For all the criticism of Dunn (which is deserved) people around here seem to miss that Freel has been horrible lately. A slumping leadoff hitter would do serious damage to any offense.

dabvu2498
09-15-2006, 05:21 PM
Two squads that both appear to be dead in the water.

Good to hear Norris Hopper's getting some stuff done!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:24 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing Votto get some reps at 1B. I think Hat has already packed it in for the season. Is there any chance of Votto getting called up or have they sent him home?

Red Rover
09-15-2006, 05:26 PM
Reds hitters striking out almost at a 50% rate today. Oh yea, thats just the same as any other out. :evil:

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:27 PM
Pierre on first. 1 out

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:28 PM
Cedeno Ks. Ramirez up.

Red Rover
09-15-2006, 05:30 PM
4-0 Reds heading into the 9th.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:30 PM
Top of the 9th. Arroyo has pitched a great game but is at 120 pitches so hopefully he's done. I wish he could complete the SO though.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:31 PM
Aardsma on to pitch to RA.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:34 PM
RA flies out to Jones.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:34 PM
The most hated man in RedsZone up to bat.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:35 PM
Dunn Ks, let the trade rumors begin. Ross with two outs.

dabvu2498
09-15-2006, 05:36 PM
The most hated man in RedsZone up to bat.
Marty Brennaman's playing???

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:37 PM
Ross with the single.

Tom Servo
09-15-2006, 05:38 PM
Should have pinch hit Milty for Dunn :devil:

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:39 PM
Marty Brennaman's playing???

Come to think of it, I think the most hated list is far longer than the well liked list. In fact is there anyone on the well liked list? I think that the only regular I haven't seen a trade proposal for is Freel. I guess a few highlight reel catches puts you on that list. In that case Dunn will never be on it.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:39 PM
Clayton with the K.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:39 PM
Only 13 strike outs for the Reds today.

Tom Servo
09-15-2006, 05:40 PM
Today's game is brought to us by the letter K.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:41 PM
After a walk, Norris "the hacker" Hopper erases Freel with a ground ball.

Gotta love it. :D

Gotta love it. The only Red without a K is "the hacker".

dabvu2498
09-15-2006, 05:41 PM
Come to think of it, I think the most hated list is far longer than the well liked list. In fact is there anyone on the well liked list? I think that the only regular I haven't seen a trade proposal for is Freel. I guess a few highlight reel catches puts you on that list. In that case Dunn will never be on it.

Not too many people disliking Phillips, Harang or Arroyo. Other than that... everyone's a moving target.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:42 PM
Schoenweis on to pitch. Jones with a single.

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:42 PM
Not too many people disliking Phillips, Harang or Arroyo. Other than that... everyone's a moving target.

True but many want to trade Arroyo before he "regresses to the mean".

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:43 PM
DP. 2 outs.

goreds2
09-15-2006, 05:43 PM
Let's win this and see what the Cards do tonight. ;)

dabvu2498
09-15-2006, 05:43 PM
True but many want to trade Arroyo before he "regresses to the mean".

HA!!!

joshnky
09-15-2006, 05:45 PM
Pagan with the K. Arroyo goes to 14-9 with an excellent outing. On to tomorrow.

redsupport
09-15-2006, 05:49 PM
too bad this game doesnt count

Ltlabner
09-15-2006, 05:49 PM
too bad this game doesnt count

Yea...wins are so horrible.

:rolleyes:

bradmu
09-15-2006, 05:53 PM
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20060915_CIN@CHC

Interesting, it is showing that J. Bruce got the save. :)