9/15/06 - Reds vs. Cubs Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Reds (72 - 74)
2nd in NL Central
Cubs (59 - 88)
6th in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, CF .276 8 25 36
2. N Hopper, RF .308 0 2 1
3. S Hatteberg, 1B .297 13 51 2
4. R Aurilia, 3B .306 22 62 2
5. A Dunn, LF .240 40 91 6
6. D Ross, C .263 18 46 0
7. R Clayton, SS .238 2 11 6
8. B Phillips, 2B .285 16 71 24
9. B Arroyo, P .125 2 6 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. J Pierre, CF .289 2 36 51
2. R Cedeno, 2B .246 5 35 8
3. A Ramirez, 3B .285 33 100 2
4. J Jones, RF .283 24 72 8
5. M Murton, LF .299 11 57 5
6. S Moore, 1B .300 1 2 0
7. C Izturis, SS .243 0 6 0
8. H Blanco, C .267 5 27 0
9. J Mateo, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Arroyo 13 9 3.29 1.18 165

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
J Mateo 1 3 4.75 1.58 27

[Outshined_One]

Unmentioned in the current atmosphere is the Reverse Pennant Race!


Team L-W Pct GA
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Kansas City 90-57 .612 --
Tampa Bay 89-57 .610 0.5
Chicago Cubs 88-59 .599 2
Pittsburgh 87-60 .592 3

The Cubs are trying their hardest to make up ground on the Royals and Devil Rays. With some really good players coming out next year (David Price, Andrew Brackman, Matt Wieters, Michael Main, etc), that #1 overall pick could be huge!

Go Reds! :evil:

[Strikes Out Looking]

Has Doc Hollywood amputated Jr's toe yet?

[cumberlandreds]

I totally forgot about this being an afternoon game. I guess I am winding down my season like the Reds are. I suppose Denorfia is persona non grata with this team now. Hopper is now THE man.

[Tornon]

Has chat been down for a week or is it just my crappy computer?

[redsmetz]

I totally forgot about this being an afternoon game. I guess I am winding down my season like the Reds are. I suppose Denorfia is persona non grata with this team now. Hopper is now THE man.

Me too! I just turned it on - let's go Reds!

[flyer85]

I suppose Denorfia is persona non grata with this team now. His "time" came and went very quickly.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Has chat been down for a week or is it just my crappy computer?

I think it's down. I tried to get in a couple of days ago and it didn't come up.

[cumberlandreds]

Reds don't score in the first. Freel cut down trying to steal to end the inning. Off to great start in this one.

[Tornon]

Freel walks
Hopper bouncs into a fielder's choice
Hatteberg lines out softly
Hopper caught stealing

No score mid 1

[NJReds]

According to Marc, Michalek is tomorrow's starter.

Hooray, Beer!

[flyer85]

According to Marc, Michalek is tomorrow's starter.

Hooray, Beer!It only gets better.

I bet Ramirez and Lee can't wait.

[Red in Chicago]

leadoff runner gets on base via a walk...next batter then swings at the first pitch for a fielder's choice...later, he gets thrown our trying to steal...this will be an ugly game, i'm sure...

[cumberlandreds]

According to Marc, Michalek is tomorrow's starter.

Hooray, Beer!

It's official,Narron and the Reds have given up.

[flyer85]

leadoff runner gets on base via a walk...next batter then swings at the first pitch for a fielder's choice...later, he gets thrown our trying to steal...this will be an ugly game, i'm sure...it's what happens when you have guys who shouldn't be on a major league roster and a manager dumb enough to play some of them.

[Heath]

It's official,Narron and the Reds have given up.

You didn't know that when the lineup got posted today?

:D

[cumberlandreds]

You didn't know that when the lineup got posted today?

:D

Actually I thought it the other day when he didn't start Freel.

[CTA513]

According to Marc, Michalek is tomorrow's starter.

Hooray, Beer!

Ill start on Sunday if the are looking for another starter.

[BCubb2003]

Operation Shutdown?

[cumberlandreds]

How about this nine for a starting lineup before the season is over. It won't really matter what order you put them in.

C Larue
1B Valentin
2b Olmedo
SS Clayton
3b Castro
LF Hopper
CF Wise
RF Hollandsworth
P Jason Johnson

Wouldn't they be a pleasure to watch? ;)

[Heath]

How about this nine for a starting lineup before the season is over. It won't really matter what order you put them in.

C Larue
1B Valentin
2b Olmedo
SS Clayton
3b Castro
LF Hopper
CF Wise
RF Hollandsworth
P Jason Johnson

Wouldn't they be a pleasure to watch? ;)

September 25, 12:35 against Chicago.

:D

[Tornon]

It's official.. Chris Michalak going tomorrow & Eric Milton on sunday

[cumberlandreds]

Cubs don't score in their half of the first. Marty confirmed that Mihalak will start tomorrow. Joy to world. :rolleyes:

[harangatang]

Marty confirmed that Mihalak will start tomorrow. Joy to world. :rolleyes:Wish? Did someone say wish? In the ancient language of Jambese repeat after me. Michalakah hi mekka hiney ho. :bang:

[flyer85]

It's official.. Chris Michalak going tomorrow & Eric Milton on sundayIf the Reds lose today I expect them to get swept by the Cubs.

[Patrick Bateman]

It's official.. Chris Michalak going tomorrow & Eric Milton on sunday

That's strange. Why did they bother with Kim in the 1st place? They brought him in and gave him the start last time (and chose him over Michalek) and he actually pitched reasonably effective, and then they go back to Michalek? I don't undertand the logic in this one, especially since Michalek has done squat since his 1st game as a Red.

[BRM]

It's official.. Chris Michalak going tomorrow & Eric Milton on sunday

:help:

[cumberlandreds]

Reds go quietly in the 2nd. No score.

[Red in Chicago]

another hitless and scoreless inning for the reds...will the offense ever show up again?

[flyer85]

That's strange. Why did they bother with Kim in the 1st place? They brought him in and gave him the start last time (and chose him over Michalek) and he actually pitched reasonably effective, and then they go back to Michalek? I don't undertand the logic in this one, especially since Michalek has done squat since his 1st game as a Red.and Michalak is a LH flyball pitcher in a HR park against a decidedly RH hitting team. Makes sense to me.

[BRM]

Since the Reds are throwing in the towel, can Deno and Harris get some PT the rest of the way?

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo retires the Cubs 1-2-3 in the 2nd. 0-0 after 2.

[CTA513]

Buck Coats is pinch hitting in the third inning for the Cubs pitcher.

[Reds Fanatic]

Buck Coats is pinch hitting in the third inning for the Cubs pitcher.
I noticed they had someone warming up last inning. Mateo maybe hurt he only threw 43 pitches and the Reds have no hits through 3.

[Outshined_One]

Dusty stupidly used Mateo to pinch run a few days ago, which resulted in one of the most hilarious moments of the year when Mateo scored the winning run.

Somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if this has something to do with that.

[Matt700wlw]

You all are my eyes and ears....game not on TV...me doing other duties today.

I'm probably not missing much.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cedeno grounds into a 4-6-3 DP to end the inning. 0-0 after 3.

[Reds Fanatic]

Marmol in to pitch.

Hopper walks to lead off the inning.

[CTA513]

Top 4TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Chicago Cubs pitcher Juan Mateo left the game due to an injured back.

[CTA513]

Carlos Marmol is pitching for the Cubs now.

After walking Hatteberg he now has a BB/K of 58/58.

:eek:

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg walks. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia singles in a run. 1-0 Reds. 1st and 2nd.

[vaticanplum]

Oh a run, thank god.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn swings at the first pitch and flies out.

[Reds Fanatic]

3 run homer for Ross!! 4-0 Reds.

[Matt700wlw]

3 run homer for Ross!! 4-0 Reds.

Wow...I am missing stuff!

[Reds Fanatic]

Clayton walks. Marmol's 3rd walk of the inning.

[BCubb2003]

Did Ross look happy? I couldn't tell.

[vaticanplum]

Did Ross look happy? I couldn't tell.

:lol:

[Ltlabner]

Did Ross look happy? I couldn't tell.

More importantly, what sort of facial expression did LaRue make when Ross hit the homer?

[Reds Fanatic]

BP strikes out and Clayton is caught stealing. 4-0 Reds mid 4th.

[Matt700wlw]

More importantly, what sort of facial expression did LaRue make when Ross hit the homer?

I think he flipped him the bird, then punched Jerry Narron in the face.

[CTA513]

Did Ross look happy? I couldn't tell.

He told the Ump that he thought the ball was foul and wanted another pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez leads off with a double.

[Heath]

He told the Ump that he thought the ball was foul and wanted another pitch.

:wave: to Steve Rippley!

[Ltlabner]

I think he flipped him the bird, then punched Jerry Narron in the face.

:laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones grounds out. Murton walks. 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Moore strikes out swinging. 2 outs.
Izturis grounds into a fielder's choice. 4-0 Reds after 4.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I've been busy today and am now checking the game thread. I'm glad the Reds are winning, but I'm very upset about the direction of the club for a number of reasons and am now going to subject anyone viewing the gt to the following rant.

1. The swelling in Griffey's toe should be gone. Pain or no pain he should be playing if the swelling is gone. I'm confident that they can find shoes/equipment to make it possible for him to play. I've seen him run to first this year, his toe problem can't possibly slow him down any more.

2. Playing baseball and being a professional baseball player are seperate things. I wish someone would tell this to Adam Dunn. Hitting the ball far comes easy to him. Hitting the ball consistently is something a professional works at 52 weeks a year.

3. Unless he is in the hospital, Ryan Freel should be playing every day the Reds are sniffing the playoffs.

4. Arroyo is right. A four man rotation was the way to go if you don't have a fifth horse.

5. The manager should not give up on his team when they are statistically in the hunt. Remember 1964? Further, a good manager finds a way to motivate his team when it gets tough.

6. This team isn't as bad as Paul Daugherty says it is. It just needs an attitude adjustment.

You can now return to your normal activites. Thank you for listening. I feel better.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ryu comes in to pitch.

Arroyo strikes out looking.
Freel strikes out looking.
Hopper pops out. 4-0 Reds mid 5th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blanco strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Arroyo.
Reyes pinch hits and strikes out looking. 5 Ks.
Pierre reaches on Clayton's error.
Cedeno flies out. 4-0 Reds after 5.

[Reds Fanatic]

Les Walrond in to pitch.
Hatteberg flies out to right.
Aurilia and Dunn both strike out. 4-0 Reds mid 6th.

[BRM]

Would it hurt to sit Dunn for a couple of days?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez flies out to left.
Jones grounds out to 2nd.
Murton flies out to right. 4-0 Reds after 6.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross strikes out swinging.
Clayton grounds out to 1st.
BP strikes out swinging. 4-0 Reds mid 7th.

[Heath]

wow - even the Cubs looks lethargic. Must be something in the NL Central water.

[Kc61]

Would it hurt to sit Dunn for a couple of days?

Just thinking the same thing. Starting to wonder what is going on with him. Just can't hit at all right now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Moore flies out to right.
Izturis flies out to left.
Blanco flies out to right. 4-0 Reds after 7.

[Red Leader]

Bronson cruising right along.

I wonder who the mystery PH will be to lead off the 8th.

Bronson's at 104 pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo pops out to 2nd.
Freel grounds out to short.
The Reds finally get another hit as Hopper doubles to right.
Hatteberg strikes out swinging. 4-0 Reds mid 8th.

[Red Leader]

Of course we're going to allow Bronson to hit.

What bad could happen allowing him to throw another inning after just completing the 7th at 104 pitches? Just ask Dusty.

[Chip R]

Of course we're going to allow Bronson to hit.

What bad could happen allowing him to throw another inning after just completing the 7th at 104 pitches? Just ask Dusty.

Dusty, Jerry, what's the difference?

[Heath]

Dusty, Jerry, what's the difference?

about 15 wins.... :D

[flyer85]

6 hits combined ... I'm impressed.

Reds made the Walrus look like a young Orosco.

[Chip R]

Can Bronson pitch every day for the rest of the season?

[Strikes Out Looking]

Of course we're going to allow Bronson to hit.

What bad could happen allowing him to throw another inning after just completing the 7th at 104 pitches? Just ask Dusty.

I can't believe I'm going to defend Jerry Narron. My head may explode. But Bronson is much older than Prior and Wood were when Dusty overused them and ruing both there careers. Bronson can throw 20 more pitches and get the complete game shutout.

[Heath]

6 hits combined ... I'm impressed.

Reds made the Walrus look like a young Orosco.

Excuse me, are the Reds ahead 4-0 still?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bynum strikes out.
Pierre singles.
Cedeno strikes out. 7 Ks for Arroyo.
Ramirez flies out to left. That is 119 pitches for Bronson.
4-0 Reds after 8.

[NJReds]

6 hits combined ... I'm impressed.

Reds made the Walrus look like a young Orosco.


Walrond lowered his ERA from 10+ to 7.59.

[Heath]

Nice outing Bronson. Take a seat. :clap:

14 wins with a sub 3.20 ERA. I'd take that.

[flyer85]

Walrond lowered his ERA from 10+ to 7.59.Reds are good for something, lowering ERAs of bad pitchers.

[Reds Fanatic]

Aardsma in to pitch.
Aurilia flies out to right.
Dunn strikes out looking.

[Matt700wlw]

My God Arroyo's been good lately.

Wow.

[flyer85]

My God Arroyo's been good lately.

Wow.it's what happens when you pitch against bad teams in September.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross singles to left. Ross has 2 of the Reds 4 hits.
Clayton strikes out swinging. 4-0 Reds mid 9th.

[Chip R]

it's what happens when you pitch against bad teams in September.

Those wins count just as much as the ones against the good teams.

[NJReds]

it's what happens when you pitch against bad teams in September.


He's done well against good teams, too.

[Red in Chicago]

i know they've scored 4 runs, but how is it that this team can only manage 4 hits against the cubs pitching staff:bang:

[flyer85]

Those wins count just as much as the ones against the good teams.yes they do, but in the Reds case, they don't mean much.

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo's ERA is down to 3.17 with a WHIP of 1.17.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo's ERA is down to 3.17 with a WHIP of 1.17.

He must be hiding an injury...

[osuceltic]

it's what happens when you pitch against bad teams in September.

He's fifth in the league in ERA and tied for third in wins. I know you like to crap on everything, especially everything Krivsky has touched, but you have ZERO ground to stand on here.

Edit: He also leads the league in innings pitched and is eighth in strikeouts. He's tied for third in quality starts and sixth in WHIP. What exactly don't you like about him, other than the fact that he has proven you wrong on the WMP trade?

[Heath]

yes they do, but in the Reds case, they don't mean much.

Must be nice to have 20/20 hindsight for vision.

[Heath]

He must be hiding an injury...

It's his "mom's" fault.

:D

http://static.flickr.com/54/191864847_61dae2ee40.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Schoeneweis in to pitch.
Wise in to play left.

Jones singles
Murton grounds into a 4-6-3 DP.
Pagan strikes out swinging. Reds win 4-0.

Great start by Arroyo. His 14th win of the year.

[CTA513]

He's fifth in the league in ERA and tied for third in wins. I know you like to crap on everything, especially everything Krivsky has touched, but you have ZERO ground to stand on here.

Best place to do that is in the toilet.

[Gallen5862]

"And this one belongs to the Reds." Great win for Arroyo and good job SS. Ross had another great day.

[Roy Tucker]

My God Arroyo's been good lately.

Wow.
Yes, but he's playing golf after the game today. Plus he didn't know who was pitching for the Cubs.

Bronson == Satan.

[traderumor]

Man, Arroyo owns the Scrubbies. Win #73 is in the books, one down, 11 or 12 more to go :evil:

[Reds Fanatic]

Man, Arroyo owns the Scrubbies. Win #73 is in the books, one down, 11 or 12 more to go :evil:

Cubs keep playing like they did today we may get 6 of those from playing the Cubs.

[Ltlabner]

It's his "mom's" fault.

:D

http://static.flickr.com/54/191864847_61dae2ee40.jpg

(instert American Pie voice here) Bronson's mom is hot!

[Red Leader]

(instert American Pie voice here) Bronson's mom is hot!

With the exception of that manly forearm vein, I agree. :laugh:

[flyer85]

crap on everythingReds are dong that themselves, yhey don't need any help. It this team has just staggered it's way to .500 baseball over the last three months they would be comfortably in the playoffs at the moment.

[Chip R]

yes they do, but in the Reds case, they don't mean much.

They certainly do. Hey, there is only about 1 really good team in the NL. All the rest, save for the Cubs and Bucs are about the same. If he only pitched against the good teams, he'd only have about 5 starts this year.

[Wheelhouse]

One thing I don't understand is how people can say the NL is BAD. If there are a good many teams near .500, the only conclusion one can draw is that there is PARITY in the NL. If you had a league filled with teams like the '27 Yankees you'd have a bunch of .500 clubs. It doesn't mean they are bad.

[vaticanplum]

One thing I don't understand is how people can say the NL is BAD. If there are a good many teams near .500, the only conclusion one can draw is that there is PARITY in the NL. If you had a league filled with teams like the '27 Yankees you'd have a bunch of .500 clubs. It doesn't mean they are bad.

I think one reason people are saying that this year is the way that the NL got totally run over in interleague play. Though it was worse this year, that has also been the case the last few years. That stats are a little better across the board in the AL as well.

But that's still a point well taken.

[REDREAD]

One thing I don't understand is how people can say the NL is BAD. .

If the Reds can contend, the league must be bad. :laugh: ;)

[Wheelhouse]

I think one reason people are saying that this year is the way that the NL got totally run over in interleague play. Though it was worse this year, that has also been the case the last few years. That stats are a little better across the board in the AL as well.

But that's still a point well taken.

No, I agree with you, but the evidence being pointed to on ESPN for example, is that there are so many teams contending who are at .500, and I think that's faulty logic.

[flyer85]

One thing I don't understand is how people can say the NL is BAD. If there are a good many teams near .500, the only conclusion one can draw is that there is PARITY in the NL. If you had a league filled with teams like the '27 Yankees you'd have a bunch of .500 clubs. It doesn't mean they are bad.Interleague play exposed the NL for what they are. Guillen was probably right, the Sox would win 150 games in the NL Central.

[Chip R]

One thing I don't understand is how people can say the NL is BAD. If there are a good many teams near .500, the only conclusion one can draw is that there is PARITY in the NL. If you had a league filled with teams like the '27 Yankees you'd have a bunch of .500 clubs. It doesn't mean they are bad.

And if you had a league full of the '62 Mets, you'd have a bunch of .500 clubs too. That doesn't mean any of them are good. Interleague play is about the best indicator of how one league stacks up against the other. Obviously it is a limited measuring stick since every NL club doesn't play every AL club but the results across the board make a pretty good case for the AL being superior. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some NL team win the World Series. But even that wouldn't prove the NL is on a par or better than the AL.

[RollyInRaleigh]

And if you had a league full of the '62 Mets, you'd have a bunch of .500 clubs too. That doesn't mean any of them are good. Interleague play is about the best indicator of how one league stacks up against the other. Obviously it is a limited measuring stick since every NL club doesn't play every AL club but the results across the board make a pretty good case for the AL being superior. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some NL team win the World Series. But even that wouldn't prove the NL is on a par or better than the AL.

All the more reason to get rid of interleague play.:evil:

[Chip R]

All the more reason to get rid of interleague play.:evil:

But the kids love it. ;)

[WVRedsFan]

But the kids love it. ;)

Who's kids? Bud's?

[Heath]

Who's kids? Bud's?

I don't dislike it, but I'd rather play the Tigers one series, the Indians one series, and the White Sox one series every year.

The rest could go away.

[RollyInRaleigh]

If interleague play, somehow, could keep the Reds off the west coast, maybe I could live with it.;) Then again, nah.

[Tony Cloninger]

I am all for ending the interleauge play stuff.

ESPN needs something to talk about.........same thing that was beaten over the head of NFL fans in the 70's (AFC over NFC) and then late 80's most of the 90's (NFC over AFC).........NL AS dominance in the 60's and 70's....even though the AL won their share of WS.

It's just a chance for people to spout off with theories.....and bull.....and then 1 year later it goes the other way like nothing happened.