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Red Rover
09-20-2006, 02:18 PM
Day game Reds lineup


Freel CF
Olmedo 2B
Hatteberg 1B
Dunn LF
Ross C
Clayton SS
Castro 3B
Denorfia RF
Arroyo P

BRM
09-20-2006, 02:21 PM
Either this is a joke or the Reds have finally figured out it's over.

Reds Fanatic
09-20-2006, 02:23 PM
Clayton batting 6th. Narron must be picking lineups out of hat now.

reds44
09-20-2006, 02:23 PM
:laugh:

flyer85
09-20-2006, 02:25 PM
Jerry wants to take it easy on Jolly Roger.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 02:25 PM
This is without a doubt the worst lineup that Narron has put on the field all season long.

But hey, we've only got a few more chances to enjoy baseball until March comes rolling around...so let's do just that. Enjoy the game.

Afterall, in the very near future, we'll be without games for 6 whole months.

redsupport
09-20-2006, 02:25 PM
clayton is an up and coming star lets see how he does, Harris is already proven, clayton has great potential

BRM
09-20-2006, 02:28 PM
This really isn't a joke. I just looked on the USA Today website.

:help:

RollyInRaleigh
09-20-2006, 02:30 PM
That's lovely.:rolleyes: Sounds like a few guys might have a case of "Clemensitis."

Danny Serafini
09-20-2006, 02:30 PM
If this doesn't scream "getaway day" I don't know what does. Gotta love the offensive black hole enveloping most of the infield today.

Reds Fanatic
09-20-2006, 02:34 PM
Roger Clemens has never thrown a no-hitter in his career. With that lineup today may be his chance.

Falls City Beer
09-20-2006, 02:37 PM
Ring, ring. It's the phone. Reds on the line....

Danny Serafini
09-20-2006, 02:37 PM
From Marc's blog, may explain a couple of things:

Brandon Phillips says he's fine today, and in fact he wanted to play. Instead, he'll get a couple days off and hope to be back in the lineup Friday. Rich Aurilia gets a much-needed day off, which he requested, and a struggling Edwin Encarnacion does as well.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 02:39 PM
Watch this lineup score 13 runs.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 02:41 PM
And, in case some don't know...today's game is on ESPN.

Heath
09-20-2006, 02:49 PM
http://www.slycraft.com/surrender-1.jpg

Heath
09-20-2006, 02:50 PM
Watch this lineup score 13 runs.

...over 21 days....

dabvu2498
09-20-2006, 02:51 PM
http://www.slycraft.com/surrender-1.jpg

Find that in a google search for "French national flag"???

pedro
09-20-2006, 02:54 PM
I just don't understand why Helms isn't playing Jeff Richardson.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 02:59 PM
The least he could have done was put Olmedo at the bottom with the others.
Would have potentially given Dunn and Ross more chances to drive in a run. With that lineup, I could justify Arroyo hitting 6th or 7th.

ThatPitchIsDunn
09-20-2006, 03:02 PM
Gary Thorne calling the game. We seem to do pretty well whenever he calls a daygame we're involved in. We may need that kinda voodoo on our side with this lineup.

Ah and he just called Deno DE-nor-FI-a. Check your pronunciation guide there Gary.

Blimpie
09-20-2006, 03:06 PM
I think it would help if we moved Arroyo to 7th in the batting order....

Heath
09-20-2006, 03:08 PM
Nice 5-9 hitting :bang:

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:09 PM
Freel grounds to Clemens... 1 down

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:10 PM
Olmedo with a GO to 2nd... 2 down

Danny Serafini
09-20-2006, 03:11 PM
Anyone else having problems with Gameday Audio cutting out?

pedro
09-20-2006, 03:12 PM
Anyone else having problems with Gameday Audio cutting out?

working fine for me for once.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:12 PM
1-2-3 inning for Clemens as Hatte grounds to SS... I have a feeling we'll see alot of those today....

RedLegSuperStar
09-20-2006, 03:13 PM
no-no begins

redsupport
09-20-2006, 03:16 PM
do you think Neil Fiala should play today?

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:17 PM
With Clemens on the mound and the lineup Cincinnati is running out there, Bronson Arroyo has to be on top of his game big time today.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:17 PM
Biggio pops out to SS. 1 out.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:18 PM
Lamb grounds out to 1B. 2 out.

Highlifeman21
09-20-2006, 03:18 PM
I turn on ESPN to watch them flash the defensive alignment graphic to see an IF of Castro, Clayton, Olmedo and Hatteberg.

Lord I feel sorry for Hatteberg to be included in that group.

Pardon me while I go throw up.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:18 PM
Good start for Arroyo, as well.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:19 PM
Berkman stands in at .313 with 41 HR and 122 RBI. Nice year for him.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:19 PM
Almost makes it 42/123, but flies out to RF.

1-2-3 for Arroyo.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:20 PM
16 pitches for Arroyo, 12 for Clemens through 1. 0-0.

Dunn, Ross, Clayton due up in the 2nd.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:21 PM
Wow. Dunn is 7-15 against Clemens....never would have guessed that.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:23 PM
Great at bat for Dunn, drawing the leadoff walk.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:24 PM
Nice patience by Dunn taking the count to 3-2 and he draws a walk.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:25 PM
I'm thinking David Ross won't see too many good pitches in this AB (or this game for that matter).

Unless Clayton is 20-21 against Clemens and I'm not aware of it.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:27 PM
Clayton is 1-3 with a double against Clemens this year.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:28 PM
Ross strikes out swinging, despite a pretty good at bat.

Dunn steals second.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:28 PM
Ross K's but Clemens pitch count now up to 27 after 2 good AB's...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Ross shows some discipline and gets it from 0-2 to 2-2, then K's while Adam steals 2B.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:29 PM
Adam planted on 2B with 1 out and Clayton up to the plate. Castro on deck.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:30 PM
Clayton K's... Im shocked...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:30 PM
Clayton K's. 2 outs. Dunn still on 2B.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:30 PM
Castro is gonna clutch up!

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:31 PM
Juan Castro has come up with some big hits this season. Hopefully he can do the same here.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:31 PM
Castro looks baffled by the splitter...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:31 PM
I know this sounds crazy but Clayton, Castro, or Deno have to win this game for us. Dunn should have a good game, but he's going to get stranded every inning unless one of those guys comes through...

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:32 PM
Castro GO to 3rd... 0-0 mid 2nd

pedro
09-20-2006, 03:33 PM
worst. lineup. ever.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:33 PM
Castro grounds out to 3B. End of inning.

Scott, Huff, Burke due up for HOU.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 03:35 PM
Arryo gives up a homerun to Scott.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:35 PM
Ball-game!

REDREAD
09-20-2006, 03:35 PM
The Reds must not really think much of Harris at all.

pedro
09-20-2006, 03:37 PM
The Reds must not really think much of Harris at all.


narron sure doesn't seem to anyway. I find it baffling myself. or maybe not as teh longer the season goes the less I like Jerry and his vet love.

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 03:37 PM
Arroyo just threw Aubrey Huff a dandy sweeping curveball to strike him out.

Good pitch.

Roy Tucker
09-20-2006, 03:41 PM
worst. lineup. ever.

Reminds me the lineup the Reds used in that 20K game Randy Johnson threw at the Reds a few years back. Donnie Sadler and Juan Castro batted 1-2 IIRC.

REDREAD
09-20-2006, 03:41 PM
narron sure doesn't seem to anyway. I find it baffling myself. or maybe not as teh longer the season goes the less I like Jerry and his vet love.

I can see why Phillips needed a day off. But why not give Harris a start at 3b or 2b? Castro and Olmedo are definitely not part of the future. Or since Clayton is a sure gonner after this season, slide Castro to SS.

If Harris can't get a start today, is he doomed to be stashed in AAA as an emergency backup Infielder? I see by his line that he's appeared in 3 games, and only gotten 4 at bats. Seems to indicate he's not in the Reds short term plans.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Deno K's... 1 down

BRM
09-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Seems to indicate he's not in the Reds short term plans.

Maybe he was just a throw-in to that deal as well. :dunno:

pedro
09-20-2006, 03:46 PM
I can see why Phillips needed a day off. But why not give Harris a start at 3b or 2b? Castro and Olmedo are definitely not part of the future. Or since Clayton is a sure gonner after this season, slide Castro to SS.

If Harris can't get a start today, is he doomed to be stashed in AAA as an emergency backup Infielder? I see by his line that he's appeared in 3 games, and only gotten 4 at bats. Seems to indicate he's not in the Reds short term plans.


I think it really has more to do with Narron's style than anything else. He's not going to lean on anyone who isn't a vet or hasn't been in the org for a while.

I think it's a mistake myself.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 03:46 PM
Arroyo with a good at bat. He is running up the Rocket's pitch count.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:47 PM
I'd love to see Bronson take Clemens deep.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:47 PM
He K's. 2 outs. Freel up.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:50 PM
Clemens up to 55 pitches... PATIENCE is going well today, even though we have 0 hits!

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:52 PM
Freel walked, BTW. Olmedo up with 2 outs and Freel on 2nd.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:52 PM
Clemens worried about Freel....

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:53 PM
Rey-Rey breaks up the NO NO... 1st and 3rd Hatte up...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:54 PM
Olmedo singles, Freel to 3B. 2 outs. Hatteberg up to the plate.

1-0 Astros, Reds hitting in the 3rd

dabvu2498
09-20-2006, 03:54 PM
He's not going to lean on anyone who isn't a vet or hasn't been in the org for a while.


He leaned on Brandon Phillips pretty much all year.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:55 PM
well... another scoring opportunity wasted...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:56 PM
Hatteberg ends the inning with a fly out.

1-0 Astros going to the BOT of 3rd.

Clemens, Biggio, Lamb due up.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:56 PM
Clemens at 63 pitches through 3 IP.

pedro
09-20-2006, 03:58 PM
He leaned on Brandon Phillips pretty much all year.

true, but that's different. My point is that IMO he's not going to use any of these september call up guys unless it is someone like Olmedo who he is already familiar with.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 03:59 PM
Roger with a double...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 03:59 PM
Roger with a double...

Hopefully he pulled something going around 1st.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 04:01 PM
Biggio K's... 1 down

redsfan30
09-20-2006, 04:01 PM
Another nice pitch by Arroyo to punch out Biggio.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:02 PM
If the Astros resign Biggio next year, they'll have 3 huge offensive black holes in their lineup. Biggio, Everett and Ausmus. That's too much to overcome offensively and be a contender, IMO. I hope they do it, but they'd be smart to tear it apart and build it over.

RBA
09-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Deno K's... 1 down

I'm shocked! NOT!

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:02 PM
Freel and Deno almost had a collision.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Lamb flies out to CF. 2 outs. Clemens on 2nd. Berkman at the dish.

1-0 Astros, bottom of 3.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 04:04 PM
Berk walks....

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:05 PM
Great play by the Hat and Arroyo at first.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 04:06 PM
Nice job by Arroyo to get out of that... still 1-0 Stro's top 4th...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:06 PM
Scott grounds out to end the inning.

1-0 Astros going to the 4th.

Dunn, Ross, Clayton due up (get used to it)

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:08 PM
Has anyone hit the flag pole on a fly at Houston?

Heath
09-20-2006, 04:09 PM
narron sure doesn't seem to anyway. I find it baffling myself. or maybe not as teh longer the season goes the less I like Jerry and his vet love.

Bingo - I think Krivsky likes the younger kids - but his manager refuses to play them. One might wonder if that might be the precursor if the manager gets dropped at the end of the year.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Dunn quickly falls to 0-2, then goes to 1-2, then 2-2, and then takes one looking. 1 out. Ross up.

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 04:09 PM
Dunn K's... Oh My Goodness!!

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:10 PM
Bingo - I think Krivsky likes the younger kids - but his manager refuses to play them. One might wonder if that might be the precursor if the manager gets dropped at the end of the year.

One can only hope. Narron is signed for next year already, though.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:11 PM
Jeez Ross...

pedro
09-20-2006, 04:11 PM
Bingo - I think Krivsky likes the younger kids - but his manager refuses to play them. One might wonder if that might be the precursor if the manager gets dropped at the end of the year.

i still think that's possible. i have a sneaking supiscion that narron was given an extension to try and get the clubhouse under control for this year. which is also maybe why they made "the trade". i just have a hard time believing castellini isn't going to hire lou piniella this off season.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:11 PM
Ross is helping to add to The Rockets pitchcount. He strikes out though.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:14 PM
Dunn K's looking
Ross K's looking
Clayton flies out.

1-2-3 for Roger.

1-0 Astros, bottom of 4.

Clemens, 77 pitches. Arroyo 54 so far.

Chip R
09-20-2006, 04:16 PM
Has anyone hit the flag pole on a fly at Houston?

I'm sure Freel has tried when diving for a ball. ;)

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:16 PM
Why was Hopper and Hollingsworth put into the game now?

Danny Serafini
09-20-2006, 04:17 PM
Just about to ask the same thing. Sadly I have to listen to the Astros broadcast, and they don't know.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:17 PM
Does Jerry have a bet on Houston or something what with this lineup and now changing the lineup mid-game?


Web-gem by Adam!

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:22 PM
Maybe they get rid of Narron for betting on Baseball. :)

TeamBoone
09-20-2006, 04:23 PM
Nobody's hitting; maybe he thinks those two can get something going???

Great defensive play by Adam.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:24 PM
The Espn announcers are baffled as well by the player moves. Arroyo bunts into a double play.

KronoRed
09-20-2006, 04:24 PM
This is the worst lineup I have ever seen.

Go Reds :D

Danny Serafini
09-20-2006, 04:25 PM
Freel has a strained left wrist, Denorfia cut his ankle. Just heard it.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:25 PM
Hollandsworth gets a single, and Bronson bunts in a double play.

:bang:

jesusfan
09-20-2006, 04:25 PM
well... that is going to help Clemens pitch count 1 pitch 2 outs...

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:26 PM
Hi Krono! Its been awhile since seen you in a game thread. Have you been slowing down on posting because you ran out of apple juice? :)

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:27 PM
Where did you hear that out about Freel and Deno?

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:28 PM
I just heard it on Espn.

KronoRed
09-20-2006, 04:28 PM
Hi Krono! Its been awhile since seen you in a game thread. Have you been slowing down on posting because you ran out of apple juice? :)
:laugh:

Not enough juice in the world to help deal with a Reds September :help:

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:28 PM
Wow almost a homerun by Ausmus.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:29 PM
Ausmus doubles

TeamBoone
09-20-2006, 04:29 PM
I get the feeling the announcers are rooting for the Astros.

BTW, they said Freel has a "sprained" left wrist! I hope it's only "strained".

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:30 PM
I get the feeling the announcers are rooting for the Astros.

At this point, so am I. :laugh:

This lineup is pathetic.

RedsManRick
09-20-2006, 04:31 PM
Saw that both Freel and Deno left with injuries. Collision?

Danny Serafini
09-20-2006, 04:33 PM
Where did you hear that out about Freel and Deno?

I've been listening to the Astros radio announcers since the Reds feed is acting all screwy for me. Anyone who complains about Marty & Steve should have to listen to these two. Ugh. Pretty big homers, plus they're just annoying in general.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:36 PM
Bronson walks Lamb to bring up the Red Killer :dunno:

joshnky
09-20-2006, 04:39 PM
BA is having some control problems today. Bases loaded.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:39 PM
Arroyo is looking tired now.

Heath
09-20-2006, 04:39 PM
Luke Scott - Reds Killer

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:39 PM
Arroyo hits Berkman to load the bases for Luke Scott

Heath
09-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Nice to see the brushback pitch work...

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Bases loaded. 2 outs. Luke Scott to the plate.

Heath
09-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Wow. Close. A little high

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:41 PM
Full count on Scott.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:42 PM
:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:42 PM
Scott drives in 3 runs with a tripple.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:43 PM
Scott has all 4 rbis today for the Astros.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:45 PM
Arroyo strikes out Burke.

Heath
09-20-2006, 04:45 PM
Well, that wasn't good.

KronoRed
09-20-2006, 04:46 PM
Well the 1 run was probably enough but I guess they wanted to be sure, can never tell when Olmedo power will arrive

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:47 PM
2 out and a guy on 3rd, and 3 runs score...

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:49 PM
Olmedo with 2 hits today.

RedsManRick
09-20-2006, 04:50 PM
Queue the "Olmedo is the answer at 2B in 2007" posts...

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 04:51 PM
You can't stop Ray Olmedo, you can only hope to contain him.

KronoRed
09-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Queue the "Olmedo is the answer at 2B in 2007" posts...

Hey! I was saying that in 2005 :devil:

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:52 PM
Queue the "Olmedo is the answer at 2B in 2007" posts...

yeah, because who doesn't want a starting position player on your team that wears a uniform number in the 60's. :D

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:54 PM
Dunn draws a walk runners on first and second.

Red Leader
09-20-2006, 04:55 PM
BTW, Krono, slow down. I was almost within 30,000 posts of you. :laugh:

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:55 PM
Ross needs to get onbase.

Gallen5862
09-20-2006, 04:57 PM
Ross flies out to end the inning.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 05:00 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly?

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:03 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly? :dunno:

No point in it.

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 05:08 PM
well...huh

Red Rover
09-20-2006, 05:08 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly?

His arm is a little stiff, so Narron wants to loosen it up. :bang:

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:08 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly?So Biggio could hit a HR must be the answer.

Strikes Out Looking
09-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly?

I believe the proper question is, Why exactly is Krivsky letting Narron manage the team?

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:12 PM
I believe the proper question is, Why exactly is Krivsky letting Narron manage the team?makes Wayne look competent by comparison? :p:

Wheelhouse
09-20-2006, 05:12 PM
GM's nowadays seem to prefer a stooge to a strong manager (see Boone/Bowden).

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 05:14 PM
I believe the proper question is, Why exactly is Krivsky letting Narron manage the team?
You know, I was always pretty much on the fence when it comes to Narron, but the decision to keep Arroyo in this game made absolutley zero sense on every possible level, and that's pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Firing Narron is still not incredibly high on my offseason wishlist, but it's definatly on there now.

Red Rover
09-20-2006, 05:14 PM
Big bats are comming up,

Clayton
Castro
Worthless

:devil:

Always Red
09-20-2006, 05:16 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly?

to inflate his ERA? :(

TeamBoone
09-20-2006, 05:16 PM
I think I may puke.

I can't stand Roger Clemons!

And I'm sick of his show at the end of the season every year.

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:17 PM
to inflate his ERA? :(success!! :laugh:

CTA513
09-20-2006, 05:20 PM
Why is Narron leaving Bronson in exactly?

I have no clue why, but I was happy to hear the announcers say something about it instead of ignoring it.

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:22 PM
to think that OF of Dunn/Jr/Kearns has devolved to Dunn/Hopper/Hollandsworth. :cry:

TeamBoone
09-20-2006, 05:23 PM
Norris Hooper? These guys need to pay attention to what they're doing.

And yeah, Narron certainly hasn't helped the cause today. It could have gone in a whole different direction if he'd put his A game on the field and replaced Arroyo when it was obvious to everyone but him.

I guess he didn't feel this game was important.

TeamBoone
09-20-2006, 05:29 PM
Why did they say Shackleford has an inflated ERA?

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:30 PM
Why did they say Shackleford has an inflated ERA?I know the answer to that one. It's because Narron is dumb enough to let him face RHBs.

Cyclone792
09-20-2006, 05:32 PM
Bronson Arroyo came into today's game with 221.1 innings pitched (first in the majors) and 3,520 pitches thrown (first in the majors).

So with the team essentially a non-factor for the playoffs, Jerry Narron elects to allow Arroyo to throw 120 pitches in today's game, including 38 pitches alone during a high stress 5th inning.

Excellent job, Narron. This really is phenomenal management and caretaking of one of the franchise's best pitchers.

I can't wait until Narron gets his hands on Homer Bailey. :help:

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:33 PM
Bronson Arroyo came into today's game with 221.1 innings pitched (first in the majors) and 3,520 pitches thrown (first in the majors).

So with the team essentially a non-factor for the playoffs, Jerry Narron elects to allow Arroyo to throw 120 pitches in today's game, including 38 pitches alone during a high stress 5th inning.

Excellent job, Narron. This really is phenomenal management and caretaking of one of the franchise's best pitchers.

I can't wait until Narron gets his hands on Homer Bailey.maybe the Reds could hire Dusty Baker as pitching coach.

redsupport
09-20-2006, 05:35 PM
Narron is so over his head he should have been on life support by now. He handles a pitching staff as well as Vern Rapp

joshnky
09-20-2006, 05:44 PM
A grand slam could make this thing interesting

flyer85
09-20-2006, 05:46 PM
A grand slam could make this thing interestingClayton and Castro ... good bets

joshnky
09-20-2006, 05:47 PM
Clayton out. Castro drives in two with a single.

joshnky
09-20-2006, 05:48 PM
Trever Miller on to pitch

joshnky
09-20-2006, 05:49 PM
At least we scored. It doesn't mean much but I hate getting shut out.

KronoRed
09-20-2006, 05:50 PM
Bronson Arroyo came into today's game with 221.1 innings pitched (first in the majors) and 3,520 pitches thrown (first in the majors).

So with the team essentially a non-factor for the playoffs, Jerry Narron elects to allow Arroyo to throw 120 pitches in today's game, including 38 pitches alone during a high stress 5th inning.

Excellent job, Narron. This really is phenomenal management and caretaking of one of the franchise's best pitchers.

I can't wait until Narron gets his hands on Homer Bailey. :help:


But it's still all the offenses fault ;)

Tom Servo
09-20-2006, 05:50 PM
I really would have liked to see Castro as our regular SS all those games over Clayton.

CTA513
09-20-2006, 05:53 PM
At least we scored. It doesn't mean much but I hate getting shut out.

Clayton helped the Astros out by swinging at pitches after Nieve just walked 3 batters.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-20-2006, 05:55 PM
If the Astros want Dunn, I'll take Luke Scott and their top pitching prospect or Lidge.

Luke Scott must be included.

Dude can rake.

Chip R
09-20-2006, 05:59 PM
Norris Hooper? These guys need to pay attention to what they're doing.


At least they didn't call him Dennis Hopper. :evil:

OnBaseMachine
09-20-2006, 06:32 PM
I've said this 100 times: I don't want Homer Bailey on the Reds 25-man roster until Jerry Narron is gone. He'll ruin him.

WVRedsFan
09-20-2006, 07:15 PM
Norris Hooper? These guys need to pay attention to what they're doing.

And yeah, Narron certainly hasn't helped the cause today. It could have gone in a whole different direction if he'd put his A game on the field and replaced Arroyo when it was obvious to everyone but him.

I guess he didn't feel this game was important.

Uh Oh. When TB sees the light, everyone should listen.

Big mistake giving him the extention and I've thought it from the first.

Always Red
09-20-2006, 08:49 PM
I can't wait until Narron gets his hands on Homer Bailey. :help:

This is one of the best reasons that Jerry needs to go, if he does indeed need to go. I haven't decided in my own mind, yet. Flip a coin, that's where I am right now.

For the record, I truly believe that this teams also lacks intensity, which is a reflection of the manager.

Homer Bailey, his progress, and his career, are so very important to this team and it's future. If they are going to turn the corner and begin pitching like responsible major leaguers do, they need to handle Bailey correctly, and do the right thing for him and this team.

I'm not sure Narron is the guy to handle that; I'm not sure Hume is the guy to handle that. They need a decision on Ruhle, one way or another. I know the man has cancer, and is waging the war of his life, but he is either in as pitching coach, or out. He certainly will understand if they move on, or at least, name an interim-full time- from outside the organization- you know, one of those places that has good pitching-pitching coach.

If Narron screws up Bailey, it sets this organization back 5 years. At this point, Homer is like the Promised One. And he needs a Yoda to help make him into a Jedi Knight. Is Narron the guy for that?? Kriv has gutted the offense, in a ballpark where everyone hits except the Reds these days, in search of pitching, which has not yet produced much other than Arroyo.

flyer85
09-20-2006, 10:48 PM
Luke Scott must be included.

Dude can rake.
small sample mirage. Heck, he's 28.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-20-2006, 11:26 PM
small sample mirage. Heck, he's 28.

Yeah, I know. But he wouldn't be a bad throw-in.

BuckeyeRedleg
09-20-2006, 11:39 PM
I also like his last two years (2005, 2006) at AAA (Round Rock):

716 AB
51 HR (40 2B's, 5 3B's = 96 XBH's in 716 AB's!)
150 RBI
.960 OPS

Add in his totals thru 170 AB's this year in Houston....

8 HR (6 3B's, 18 2B's = 32 XBH's in 170 AB's!)
30 RBI
1.200+ OPS

Late bloomer. I'll take him.

Why did the Indians trade this guy? Who did they get for him?

Matt700wlw
09-21-2006, 03:52 PM
Luckily for me, I had a break from working yesterday...but being the fan that I am, I had the game on TV AT HOME (for once).

I knew the 3 run homer was coming, because Bronson wasn't having his best day and his pitch count was getting up there....hell, even the ESPN guys said a couple times, "Why is Arroyo still out there?"

I said to myself, "Because Jerry will leave him in to completely let this game out of hand."

Suddenly...BOOM.

It's so predictable anymore. I'm tired of it.

7-0...I turned off the TV and got something constructive done.

Red Leader
09-21-2006, 04:00 PM
I also like his last two years (2005, 2006) at AAA (Round Rock):

716 AB
51 HR (40 2B's, 5 3B's = 96 XBH's in 716 AB's!)
150 RBI
.960 OPS

Add in his totals thru 170 AB's this year in Houston....

8 HR (6 3B's, 18 2B's = 32 XBH's in 170 AB's!)
30 RBI
1.200+ OPS

Late bloomer. I'll take him.

Why did the Indians trade this guy? Who did they get for him?


You're going to like this one...you ready?

Ready?


Jeriome Robertson. :laugh:

Well, at least the Indians got a former 15 game winner in return for Scott. :D

TeamBoone
09-21-2006, 09:32 PM
Luckily for me, I had a break from working yesterday...but being the fan that I am, I had the game on TV AT HOME (for once).

I knew the 3 run homer was coming, because Bronson wasn't having his best day and his pitch count was getting up there....hell, even the ESPN guys said a couple times, "Why is Arroyo still out there?"

I said to myself, "Because Jerry will leave him in to completely let this game out of hand."

Suddenly...BOOM.

It's so predictable anymore. I'm tired of it.

7-0...I turned off the TV and got something constructive done.

Those simple words say it all.... predictable. The same mistakes by JN, every single time.

And, though this one wasn't predictable, only 4 regulars in the starting lineup (and one was the catcher), I found myself not surprised. That is very very sad.