Believe!! Reds @ Marlins Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Hollandsworth pops out to 2nd. 3-2 Marlins mid 4th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera singles to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Willingham singles. 1st and 2nd.

[NDRed]

last inning for both pitchers?.

[Reds Fanatic]

Helms singles to right. 4-2 Marlins. 1st and 2nd.

[MrCinatit]

Someone wake up Jerry.

[Matt700wlw]

That doesn't help the situation...

[Aronchis]

Someone wake up Jerry.

It may not make a difference.

[Cyclone792]

Krivsky regarding Bailey, Bruce and Votto ...

The "most logical choice" for Homer Bailey starting 2007 is in AAA Louisville.
Jay Bruce is in instructional league and will likely start 2007 in High-A Sarasota.
Joey Votto is at a level between AAA Louisville and the Reds.

[Matt700wlw]

Nor does the throwing error...

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross lines out to short. Clayton commits a throwing error attempting the double play at 2nd. 1st and 3rd with 1 out.

[deltachi8]

And Jason Johnson reminds us he is Jason Johnson

[Aronchis]

Krivsky regarding Bailey, Bruce and Votto ...

The "most logical choice" for Homer Bailey starting 2007 is in AAA Louisville.
Jay Bruce is in instructional league and will likely start 2007 in High-A Sarasota.
Joey Votto is at a level between AAA Louisville and the Reds.


Sounds like Votto will get a shot at the 1st base job next spring.

[oneupper]

Astros score 6-2 top sixth. Man on second no outs.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Well... there is the error that we are used to seeing. Not a smart play at all by Royce. No chance... esp. when your 2nd baseman is 2X as far from the bag as the runner.

DP needed.

[Matt700wlw]

Sounds like Votto will get a shot at the 1st base job next spring.

What about Hatte?

[Reds Fanatic]

Olivo pops out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[oneupper]

BErkman Homers 6-4 Bucs.

[reds44]

What about Hatte?
He's not very good.

He hasn't been for awhile.

Trade him.

[reds44]

Why not bring in Bray to face AA?

[oneupper]

He's not very good.

He hasn't been for awhile.

Trade him.

Hatteberg suffering the "extension" slump.

[flyer85]

really ought to have a lefty pitch to Amezega

[reds44]

Hatteberg suffering the "extension" slump.
Extending his contract and Narron's wasn't very smart.

[Reds Fanatic]

Amezega reaches on an infield hit as Clayton's throw is in the dirt. 5-2 Marlins. Pitching change.

[reds44]

Why didn't he bring in Bray!!!!!!

Amezega can't hit lefties.

So stupid.

[reds44]

wtf???

NOW a pitching change?

[deltachi8]

gotta love Clayton and his veteran D

/end sarcasim

[Virginia Beach Reds]

one solid single and three little texas leaguers and there you go.

2 more runs.

[flyer85]

So stupid.same old, same old

[Reds Fanatic]

Now they bring Bray in. Typical Narron. Always a batter too late.

[OnBaseMachine]

Worst. Manager. In. Baseball.

[oneupper]

The difference between being down two and three is huge. Narron does not understand this, unfortunately.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

I can't fault Narron there. JJ was victimized by bad luck there and poor SS range by Royce Clayton.

[captainmorgan07]

i have 2 words for wayne joe girardi hire him as soon as season ends

[reds44]

I can't fault Narron there. JJ was victimized by bad luck there and poor SS range by Royce Clayton.
Amezega can't hit lefties!!!!!

[NDRed]

wow he didnt bring Franklin in

[reds44]

i have 2 words for wayne joe girardi hire him as soon as season ends

He's as bad as Narron.

[Patrick Bateman]

I can't fault Narron there. JJ was victimized by bad luck there and poor SS range by Royce Clayton.

I'll fault narron for the poor decision, but you're right, if Clayton has any kind of range the inning is over.

[Cyclone792]

Krivsky says he's "still satisfied with the trade" in response to George's question about the Kearns/Lopez trade with Washington. He says the part he's not happy about with the trade is "how we were dealt with."

[Reds Fanatic]

Borchard pinch hits and lines out to center. 5-2 Marlins after 5.

[captainmorgan07]

He's as bad as Narron.

i dunno he's done a heck of a job down in fla for a team that everybody picked to be the worst team in baseball they go out and play there butts off for him everynite and don't want him to be fired

[oneupper]

Houston still batting in the top of 6th. 6-4, 1st and 2nd one out.

[reds44]

i dunno he's done a heck of a job down in fla for a team that everybody picked to be the worst team in baseball they go out and play there butts off for him everynite and don't want him to be fired
We were picked to be one of the worst teams in baseball......

[Reds Fanatic]

Astros have runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

[flyer85]

I can't fault Narron there. JJ was victimized by bad luck there and poor SS range by Royce Clayton.that's because you don't know the numbers. Manager decisons is about understanding probability, not divining outcomes

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Amezega can't hit lefties!!!!!

He can barely hit righties. He barely hit this righty. Are you watching this game? That was an out if our SS was even half competent. Had he been half competent, he would have never even batted. JJ didn't look bad.

[captainmorgan07]

We were picked to be one of the worst teams in baseball......

good point

[Matt700wlw]

Worst. Manager. In. Baseball.

I'm sure there's worse...

...And no, his style, and his moves don't do a lot for me anymore, either...

[Reds Fanatic]

Everett sac fly makes it 6-5 Pirates.

[oneupper]

Clayton to lead off against the RHP. That's why we carry twelve shortstops.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

that's because you don't know the numbers. Manager decisons is about understanding probability, not divining outcomes

That statement is highly presumptious.

[reds44]

He can barely hit righties. He barely hit this righty. Are you watching this game? That was an out if our SS was even half competent. Had he been half competent, he would have never even batted. JJ didn't look bad.

Amezega:
vs. RHP- .293
vs. LHP- .083

[Reds Fanatic]

Chris Resop in to pitch.

Clayton singles to center.

[GridironGrace]

Gonna Take atleast a 4-1 Record in these last 5 games to make this a reality.

BTW sorry aint been around been busy.. but GOOO REDS!! Lets get some runs back and make this intresting.

Astros and Cards trailing right now :)

[captainmorgan07]

clayton on with single

[flyer85]

He can barely hit righties. He barely hit this righty. Are you watching this game? That was an out if our SS was even half competent. Had he been half competent, he would have never even batted. JJ didn't look bad.
Amezaga hits ~ 290 againt RHP and ~080 against LHP

[reds44]

Phillips looks awful at the plate.

[oneupper]

Phillps OPS .455 in September.

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips looks awful at the plate.

That was pathetic :D

[flyer85]

That statement is highly presumptious.not really because if you know the numbers then stupidty becomes the only excuse

[Reds Fanatic]

BP singles to right. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

[reds44]

Phillips looks awful at the plate.

Umm oops.

[captainmorgan07]

good job of fighting that off for bp 2 on now

[Reds Fanatic]

Wise in to pinch hit.

[captainmorgan07]

why would u pinch hit this dumby

[flyer85]

why not Javy

[reds44]

Wise?

[Cyclone792]

Phillps OPS .455 in September.

That's what happens when a player slumps while also having no idea how to take a walk.

[NDRed]

get this one outta here

[GridironGrace]

why would u pinch hit this dumby

he's 4 for 8 lol when PH'ing

[oneupper]

why not Javy

Being "saved" for late innings. :rolleyes:

[flyer85]

why would u pinch hit this dumbysaving others for events that are likely never to occur

[captainmorgan07]

he's 4 for 8 lol when PH'ing

again i put my foot in my mouth man that dont' taste good

[reds44]

Dewayne FREAKING Wise?

Stupid

[Kc61]

Amezaga hits ~ 290 againt RHP and ~080 against LHP

Narron left him in too long. Bray should have been in there against Amezaga. Not really disputable.

Managers often fail in that spot when the pitcher is due to hit in the next inning. They know they'll have to pinch hit so they are trying to save a pitcher. Often is bad strategy, as here.

[GridironGrace]

would love to see Rich get to bat this inning ;)

[Matt700wlw]

I miss McCracken....

I'm kidding. :)

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Amezaga hits ~ 290 againt RHP and ~080 against LHP

I knew the disparity. It also doesn't COMPETELY predict the outcome.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 48 TOTAL PLATE APPEARANCES.

TOO small a sample size to draw any conclusion from.

[reds44]

I knew the disparity. It also doesn't COMPETELY predict the outcome.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 48 TOTAL PLATE APPEARANCES.

TOO small a sample size to draw any conclusion from.

Not when there is over a 200 point disparity.

[GridironGrace]

keep figtin em off big guy.. then clobber one :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Wise pops out to short. 1 out.

[reds44]

Hurray Jerry!

[captainmorgan07]

weak effort there

[GridironGrace]

HEY!!! Good AB there though.... although im with Marty.. shoulda layed one down

[flyer85]

I knew the disparity. It also doesn't COMPETELY predict the outcome. but who can divine the outcome?

The point is all a manager ever can do is play the right odds, outcomes are never guaranteed.

[captainmorgan07]

HEY!!! Good AB there though.... although im with Marty.. shoulda layed one down

exactly

[Cyclone792]

Wise fouls off a pitch that would have been ball 3. Then he pops out on a pitch in the same spot, again off the strike zone that would have been ball 3 (or ball 4 if he took both pitches).

Bad hitters too often swing at garbage out of the strike zone and as a result make too many outs. DeWayne Wise is no exception.

[Reds Fanatic]

Deno grounds into a 5-4 fielder's choice as Cabrera makes a diving stop. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

[reds44]

Jesus

[captainmorgan07]

heck of a play by cabrera

[GridironGrace]

dang.......guess that was a nice play by Cabrera :(

CMONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN BIG HAT

[flyer85]

HEY!!! Good AB there though.... although im with Marty.. shoulda layed one downshould have sent up Javy ... a no brainer

[captainmorgan07]

pitching change

[Reds Fanatic]

Pitching change.

[reds44]

Lefty coming in for Hatteberg.

Does Naroon do the smart thing and PH Edwin?

[captainmorgan07]

Lefty coming in for Hatteberg.

Does Naroon do the smart thing and PH Edwin?

does jerry do anything smart :confused:

[GridironGrace]

Wise fouls off a pitch that would have been ball 3. Then he pops out on a pitch in the same spot, again off the strike zone that would have been ball 3 (or ball 4 if he took both pitches).

Bad hitters too often swing at garbage out of the strike zone and as a result make too many outs. DeWayne Wise is no exception.


He had 2 Strikes.. he HAD to protect.. if its WAY off the plate yea. but anything NEAR the plate you gotta fight it off and he did that. Had he took "so called ball 3" ump may have called strike 3

[oneupper]

Lefty coming in for Hatteberg.

Does Naroon do the smart thing and PH Edwin?

Not a chance. He'll never switch a "poor fielder" into a game.

[Edskin]

The fact that Houston and St. Louis are losing right now makes this game especially gut-wrenching. C'mon Hatte-- bring em' home!

[Puffy]

He's as bad as Narron.

Joe Girardi is in his first year, first managing position. He is not a terrible manager. Just like Willie Randolph wasn't a terrible manager his first year with the Mets (as many on here claimed). Give him time and he'll be a good manager.

Not that I want him managing the Reds - but to call him bad is ridiculous

[reds44]

He had 2 Strikes.. he HAD to protect.. if its WAY off the plate yea. but anything NEAR the plate you gotta fight it off and he did that. Had he took "so called ball 3" ump may have called strike 3

Those weren't even close.e

[Reds Fanatic]

Renyel Pinto in to pitch.

[Matt700wlw]

EE to pitch for Hatte

[Cyclone792]

He had 2 Strikes.. he HAD to protect.. if its WAY off the plate yea. but anything NEAR the plate you gotta fight it off and he did that. Had he took "so called ball 3" ump may have called strike 3

Neither of those pitches were even close to the strike zone. Plate discipline and strike zone judgement is about recognizing which pitches can be hit well, which pitches will be strikes but can't be hit well (and thus should be fouled off), and which pitches should be taken as balls.

Both of those pitches should have been taken as balls.

[Reds Fanatic]

EE pinch hitting.

[reds44]

Joe Girardi is in his first year, first managing position. He is not a terrible manager. Just like Willie Randolph wasn't a terrible manager his first year with the Mets (as many on here claimed). Give him time and he'll be a good manager.

Not that I want him managing the Reds - but to call him bad is ridiculous
He also can't get along with his GM (the best in baseball) and the owner.

Keep him away.

[GridironGrace]

Yup here comes EDwin... coming in to bat and hopefully getting out of the funk

[Matt700wlw]

Not a chance. He'll never switch a "poor fielder" into a game.

Guess what?....he did

[captainmorgan07]

wow ee to pinch hit jerry does a smart thign but ee's struggling oh the ironery

[oneupper]

EE pinch hitting.

I stand corrected. Good Move, Jerry.

[GridironGrace]

Neither of those pitches were even close to the strike zone. Plate discipline and strike zone judgement is about recognizing which pitches can be hit well, which pitches will be strikes but can't be hit well (and thus should be fouled off), and which pitches should be taken as balls.

Both of those pitches should have been taken as balls.

k only thing i have to jude by is gameday i dont get the games on tv in southern Ky

[Chip R]

Lefty coming in for Hatteberg.

Does Naroon do the smart thing and PH Edwin?

Looks like he woke up.

[Edskin]

Sit dead red, EE....

[captainmorgan07]

5-34 in the last 10 games for ee

[Reds Fanatic]

EE reaches first on catcher's interference. Bases loaded.

[reds44]

Sweet C.I.

Come on Rich!

[oneupper]

Gameday says "unknown strike"

[Matt700wlw]

We need clutch Richie...

[Edskin]

wow, what a HUGE moment.....

[GridironGrace]

wow

batter interfernce and the Reds get an extra out

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RICH!!!!!!!!!!

[Cyclone792]

Aurilia's at the plate against a lefty with the sacks full. This is the opportunity to strike, and strike big.

[oneupper]

Jason Bay up with bases loaded one out. Botttom sixth.

[Chip R]

C'mon Naitch!

[captainmorgan07]

can the dirtiest player in the game come through here

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia strikes out swinging. 5-2 Marlins mid 6th.

[Edskin]

painful

[captainmorgan07]

gosh dang it

[reds44]

Scrappy

[WMR]

@#$%

[oneupper]

Bay grounds into DP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pirates had the bases loaded but a DP ends the inning. Stilll 6-5 Pirates after 6.

[GridironGrace]

10 men LOB

Splains it all. The good news, we're getting runners on the pads.. so long as we keep doing that something good has to happen 2nite

[reds44]

This is what happens when you don't have a 3rd starter
or 4th
or 5th

[oneupper]

Did Narron switch out Aurilia?
or send him to first?

[Reds Fanatic]

Franklin in to pitch. This could turn ugly in a hurry.

[reds44]

Did Narron switch out Aurilia?
No he would never do that.

He went to 1st.

[reds44]

Franklin

WHY

[Matt700wlw]

This is what happens when you don't have a 3rd starter
or 4th
or 5th

They had a 3rd...but his elbow is out of order right now

[flyer85]

I just don't get the Narron woody for Franklin. Is there any explanantion?

[captainmorgan07]

I just don't get the Narron woody for Franklin. Is there any explanantion?

old willy vet prolly i dunno

[NDRed]

why do you bring in franklin




STUPID

[oneupper]

I can see the Stros pulling their game out vs. the Bucs.

I can't see the REDS winning this one. sorry.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez leads off with a walk.

[Matt700wlw]

I can see the Stros pulling their game out vs. the Bucs.

I can't see the REDS winning this one. sorry.

That wouldn't help the situation...

[Reds Fanatic]

Tying run on 2nd with 1 out for the Astros.

[NDRed]

the best move for the bullpen right now is cut franklin

[Reds Fanatic]

Duffy just made a great play in center for the Pirates to rob the Astros of the tying run.

[GridironGrace]

Franklin is 5-2 as a red

[Reds Fanatic]

Uggla strikes out. 1 out.

[captainmorgan07]

nice throw by ross

[GridironGrace]

wow.........wtg ross

[NDRed]

good play

[WMR]

GREAT tag applied by Phillips off the good one-hop throw by Ross

[oneupper]

Franklin is 5-2 as a red

That would explain Narron's love.

[Edskin]

I haven't begged in awhile, I haven't "asked" much from the Reds this year. But I am now. PLEASE rally, please get it done. Please..

[GridironGrace]

That would explain Narron's love.

I like the w/l odds when franklin comes in but he sure is scary lol

[oneupper]

Pirates get out of jam. 6-5 Bucs after 6.5

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera walks.

[Chip R]

can the dirtiest player in the game come through here

Sting just threw him off the top rope.

[GridironGrace]

Franklin

DID HIS JOB :) Kept it 5-2

[Reds Fanatic]

Willingham grounds out. 5-2 Marlins after 6.

[Matt700wlw]

Cardinals and the Padres tied at 1

A Reds loss with a Cards win would put the final nail in the coffin....3.5 out with 4 is almost impossible...

[oneupper]

Cards tie up their game. 1-1 after 4.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[NDRed]

dunn strikes out

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper pinch hitting for Hollandsworth.

[GridironGrace]

dunn batting .155 in sept with 2 hrs and 5 rbi

Thats really one of what?? 5 stats you need to see to find out why we are out of the wildcard race

[flyer85]

swinging at a 2-0 pitch with Pinto on the mound is not smart

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper walks on 4 pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pitching change.

[Aronchis]

The Reds look done.

[Patrick Bateman]

dunn batting .155 in sept with 2 hrs and 5 rbi

Thats really one of what?? 5 stats you need to see to find out why we are out of the wildcard race

Dunn sure hasn't been good, but I don't know how you can put the full blame on him. There's 8 other players on the field, every day.

[oneupper]

Valentin for Clayton?

[Aronchis]

Dunn sure hasn't been good, but I don't know how you can put the full blame on him. There's 8 other players on the field, every day.

He was bad in August as well. Dunn has been missing for some time.

[Reds Fanatic]

Matt Herges in to pitch.

[GridironGrace]

Dunn sure hasn't been good, but I don't know how you can put the full blame on him. There's 8 other players on the field, every day.


Yup, and phillips batting .154 in sept with 2 hrs
edwin batting .222 in sept
lost milton and Guarado to injury

lots of things lol im just saying.. every month dunn did well. WE did well

[NDRed]

:reds: are having a better season then last year

[flyer85]

PHs for everybody but Royce

[oneupper]

PHs for everybody but Royce

Like I said, that why we carry 22 shortstops.

[Reds Fanatic]

Clayton walks. 1st and 2nd.

[Matt700wlw]

The wheels are turning....Phillips needs something BIG here...

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Need a big fly from BP right here.

[GridironGrace]

:reds: are having a better season then last year


OH yea......ive loved every minute of this season.. this time last year id already quit paying attention and started getting my WHO DEY on lol

This year i have both.. cant wait to do it again next season... and cont to hope and cheer em on for a CHANCE at makin the postseason this year

[Matt700wlw]

Loaded...

[GridironGrace]

Need a big fly from BP right here.


Ill take an RBI anything right now.. wee need SOMETHING

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips singles to left. Bases loaded.

[reds44]

I'd PH Griffey right here.

[oneupper]

I'm going to keep on saying that...last time he got a hit, this time a walk.

[WMR]

Man I'm jealous of the young players the Marlins have been smart/savvy/forward-thinking enough to acquire.

[Matt700wlw]

Here's Griffey!

[Patrick Bateman]

He was bad in August as well. Dunn has been missing for some time.

Never denied that. He has been putrid.

However, there are many factors to our downfall.

[GridironGrace]

that single works too

TIME FOR JUNNNNNNIOOOOOOOORRRRRRRR

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior pinch hitting.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Loaded again. THis is agonizing!

JR.

[oneupper]

I'd PH Griffey right here.

Not if you want him to face Tankserley.

[GridironGrace]

WHOOOOOOOOOWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Base hit JR.........walk...........anything that gets us a run or 2 or 4 :)

[reds44]

Come on Junior.

Be a hero.

[flyer85]

can they leave the sacks loaded again

[NDRed]

:griffey: we need you

[Reds Fanatic]

pitching change.

[reds44]

Not if you want him to face Tankserley.
I don't care.

Nobody on this team wants to make the plaoffs more then Junior.

[flyer85]

Narron getting schooled again

[reds44]

Narron getting schooled again
Who would you use?

Harris?

[oneupper]

[QUOTE=reds44;1169047]I don't care.

At least that's their last lefty in the pen.

[GridironGrace]

lets go Rook serve one up to the future hall of famer

[flyer85]

Jr is at a big disadvantage facing a nasty lefty(he has the stuff Reds fans wish Bray had) and that Jr has never seen before.

[reds44]

That was outside

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to center. 5-2 Marlins mid 7th.

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Narron getting schooled again

flyer has all the answers tonight.

[George Foster]

can they leave the sacks loaded again


I think they can.

[flyer85]

Who would you use?

Harris?Once you send up Jr there is no changing

[reds44]

How many chances can we blow?

[kbrake]

Some of you guys need to take it easy, too many of you are getting hope back....hope will kill us all.

[Matt700wlw]

This is why the Reds don't deserve the postseason....PATHETIC with runners on base.

Wasted opportunities again and again and again.

[oneupper]

Jr is at a big disadvantage facing a nasty lefty(he has the stuff Reds fans wish Bray had) and that Jr has never seen before.

Wasn't the spot for JR.
I would have gone with LaRue (and what the heck).

[pahster]

Ay no no no!

[GridironGrace]

This is why the Reds don't deserve the postseason....PATHETIC with runners on base.

Wasted opportunities again and again and again.


Well atleast its right there plain as day as to what we need to do better next season........ take advantage of RUNNERS ON BASE!!!!!! Move runners better.

[flyer85]

flyer has all the answers tonight.Wow, that was quick and painless. Just a bad matchup for the Reds. Girardi got exactly what he wanted

[DoogMinAmo]

Good news is Franklin cant go back out!

[TheBigLebowski]

Oh, you poor souls being victimized by hope. This team has one goal, and that goal is to toy with the emotions of its' fans. They have no intention of making the post-season. They want us to suffer.

[Patrick Bateman]

Jr is at a big disadvantage facing a nasty lefty(he has the stuff Reds fans wish Bray had) and that Jr has never seen before.

he's been similar calibre to Bray this season. More K's, but also way more BB's. At this point they are about equally effective.

[Reds Fanatic]

Coffey in to pitch.

[Aronchis]

This year was a poor man's 99, without the winning and good interdivisonal play, but the Reds stayed in it to the end, best of luck to a better season next year:)

[Chip R]

flyer has all the answers tonight.

Knock it off.

[Matt700wlw]

Well atleast its right there plain as day as to what we need to do better next season........ take advantage of RUNNERS ON BASE!!!!!! Move runners better.

More contact hitters...less hackers.

[Matt700wlw]

Wow...triple...error...score.

6-2

Helms - another Reds killer

[oneupper]

Oh, you poor souls being victimized by hope. This team has one goal, and that goal is to toy with the emotions of its' fans. They have no intention of making the post-season. They want us to suffer.

Kind of makes you want the Cards to go ahead and clinch already.

[Reds Fanatic]

Helms triples to right and scores on a bad throw to 3rd. 6-2 Marlins.

[DoogMinAmo]

FCB needed to be here to jinx Helms

[Patrick Bateman]

Oh, you poor souls being victimized by hope. This team has one goal, and that goal is to toy with the emotions of its' fans. They have no intention of making the post-season. They want us to suffer.

If that were true, they would win the next 3 games, take 1st place, and then blow the last 2 games and fall off the lead.

Right now, it's just faint hope, not reality.

[GridironGrace]

great..........last thing i get to see for a bit is an inside the park HR :(

gotta get my son to sleep bbl

[GridironGrace]

Good news is Franklin cant go back out!


Franklin didnt give up a Triple + Error for an inside the park hr lol

[Reds Fanatic]

C. Ross pops out to short. 1 out.

[Mutaman]

I'm getting the feeling that even if St Louis and the Astros lost the rest of the way, we'd still not get it done. It appears that lack of talent and mediocre managing is not the entire problem These guys just don't have what it takes. Maybe we should bite the bullet, blow up the whole team (except for Arroyo) and start all over again. This is pathetic.

[flyer85]

he's been similar calibre to Bray this season. More K's, but also way more BB's. At this point they are about equally effective.Tankersley has the nasty curve which is a better pitch than the inconsistent command and break that Bray has on his slider

tank has an ERA more than a run lower and a much higher K rate. No comparison at this point

[oneupper]

Astros go down in the 8th. Still 6-5 mid 8.

[DoogMinAmo]

Hope?

I am not enjoying this right now, a win tonight would give me hope.

[Aronchis]

Tankersley has the nasty curve which is a better pitch than the inconsistent command and break that Bray has on his slider

Bray has a good evolving changeup however.

[Reds Fanatic]

Olivo strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice diving stop by Clayton but an infield hit for Amezega.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice stop by Clatyon....no play, unfortunately

[TheBigLebowski]

If that were true, they would win the next 3 games, take 1st place, and then blow the last 2 games and fall off the lead.

Right now, it's just faint hope, not reality.

I said "hope," not reality.

There were no game threads a week ago. Tonight, there's an active game thread with the sub title "believe!"

They've brought hope back. Now, they're going to punish those who again began to believe. I'm crying "Danger, Will Robinson" to anyone who has emotionally invested themselves in this group again. Truth is, even if we were to win out, we still probably could not win this division.

I want a .500 record or better - that's keeping me interested.

As I type, Wes Helms scores on a triple and an error. Have we ever gotten that guy out?

[flyer85]

Bray has a good evolving changeup however.third pitch generally doesn't mean a lot to a reliever. Until he learns to command his fastball and gets consistent downward action on the slider he won't be anything special

[RedFanAlways1966]

24 errors in 24 games this month. The math is easy for the per game ratio... and almost unheard of in MLB these days.

One more error this month (is it likely to happen?!?!?) and they will have committed more than any other month this year. Had 24 errors in April, May and August. Most in a month since 28 errors in September 2004 (which included 3 games in Oct., 31 games total).

[Matt700wlw]

(not so) Magic Man warming up for the Reds

[oneupper]

24 errors in 24 games this month. The math is easy for the per game ratio... and almost unheard of in MLB these days.

One more error this month (is it likely to happen?!?!?) and they will have committed more than any other month this year. Had 24 errors in April, May and August. Most in a month since 28 errors in September 2004 (which included 3 games in Oct., 31 games total).

So much for trading for defense.

[Patrick Bateman]

Tankersley has the nasty curve which is a better pitch than the inconsistent command and break that Bray has on his slider

tank has an ERA more than a run lower and a much higher K rate. No comparison at this point

There DIPS ERA are basically identical. Similar HR rates, similar K:BB ratio.

Tankersley may have more potential because of his plus curve, but he's going to need to command his pitches better for that to happen. Right now he's not, making him similar to Bray, but I like his chances of improving more because of the huge K rate.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tankersly strikes out. 6-2 Marlins after 7.

[Patrick Bateman]

I said "hope," not reality.

There were no game threads a week ago. Tonight, there's an active game thread with the sub title "believe!"

They've brought hope back. Now, they're going to punish those who again began to believe. I'm crying "Danger, Will Robinson" to anyone who has emotionally invested themselves in this group again. Truth is, even if we were to win out, we still probably could not win this division.

I want a .500 record or better - that's keeping me interested.

As I type, Wes Helms scores on a triple and an error. Have we ever gotten that guy out?

Sorry, what I meant was, if the Reds sole goal of the season is to toy with our emotions, then they may as well go all out and really piss people off.