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Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 09:18 PM
Game 7:

Pitching Matchup:

Suppan vs Perez

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 09:24 PM
Terrible by Delgado.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 09:26 PM
Hey guys, remember when Oliver Perez was like the hottest pitching prospect on the planet?

RFS62
10-19-2006, 09:27 PM
Yep. He owned us.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 09:29 PM
They're talking up "pitch to contact."

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 09:32 PM
Huge strike zone tonight.

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 09:39 PM
Wright singles in a run. 1-0 Mets in the 1st.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:41 PM
green lines out

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:41 PM
to rolen

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:43 PM
edmonds rolen and molina up next

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:44 PM
single to right

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:44 PM
rolen flies out to center

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:47 PM
molina singles runners on first and third

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 09:48 PM
Someone please tell the Mets that Yadier Molina sucks. They haven't seemed to figure it out yet.

Everytime the Mets score, their pitchers come out and blow it. No way the Mets win this game.

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 09:49 PM
Belliard sacrifices in a run. Tie game 1-1.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:49 PM
bunt, runner on 1 the score is 1-1

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 09:50 PM
Unreal how many leads the Mets have blown in this series. Both of these teams are below average.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:50 PM
suppan goes down looking

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:51 PM
valentine chavez and perez up next

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:54 PM
valentine flies out to right

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:56 PM
chavez grounds out to first

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:56 PM
perez flies out to left

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 09:57 PM
Yep. He owned us.

2004, 2005 & 2006 vs. REDS... Perez w/ a 6-1 record.

2004: 4-0
2005: 1-0
2006: 1-1

The REDS scored a total of 10 runs in those five losses in 2004 & 2005 (incl. 2 shutouts).

BTW... he was 0-2 for the Padres in 2003 vs. the REDS. The REDS scored a total of 21 runs in those two losses (9 & 12)!

NDRed
10-19-2006, 09:57 PM
eckstien wilson and pujols up next

NDRed
10-19-2006, 10:01 PM
eckstein doubled to left

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:02 PM
Pull Perez now before it's too late, he obviously has nothing left these days.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 10:03 PM
leadoff double amazing they bleowing this lead real fast

NDRed
10-19-2006, 10:03 PM
wilson goes down swinging

NDRed
10-19-2006, 10:04 PM
intentional walk to pujols

NDRed
10-19-2006, 10:07 PM
encarnacion grounds into double play :thumbup:

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 10:07 PM
BIG 5-4-3 DP turned by the Mets.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 10:08 PM
reyes lo duca and beltran up next

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:11 PM
Making it really easy on Suppan here.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 10:12 PM
Everyone, please sit down: Joe buck just pronounced Carlos Beltran's name correctly.

It was during the "player profile". I fully expect him to regress during commentary.

westofyou
10-19-2006, 10:13 PM
My First Car was a 69 Camaro...

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:14 PM
Suppan looks totally in control here. Plus a very low pitch count. Not looking good for the Mets at all.

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 10:18 PM
My First Car was a 69 Camaro...

My first was a '68. It always gets my attention when I hear a '67-'69 Camaro get mentioned.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:20 PM
Perez is just asking to to get shelled any minute now.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:21 PM
My First Car was a 69 Camaro...

woy

http://www.dondokken.com/DD/my%2068%20camaro.lnk.jpg

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 10:23 PM
Any NLCS MVP candidates at this point in this series? Or will it be decided by "tonight's hero"?

:confused:

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 10:23 PM
Perez is just asking to to get shelled any minute now.

I think Perez looks pretty good :p:

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:25 PM
I think Perez looks pretty good :p:

Well, okay.

Have you seen woy?

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:28 PM
I know why I've always liked Shea Stadium: the dreary, slightly dark traveling carnival lighting.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 10:28 PM
Well, okay.

Have you seen woy?

Hott like a flashdance.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 10:30 PM
I know why I've always liked Shea Stadium: the dreary, slightly dark traveling carnival lighting.

I love Shea Stadium. I have no idea why. It's so gaudy. But I like the size of it, and there are always fun kids there.

Perez is through four now, knock on wood, I would think the Mets can breathe a little more easily now. If he gets into trouble they can pull him.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:30 PM
Hott like a flashdance.


Driving gloves. You get to decide if I'm using the word "driving" as a gerund or a present participle.

Cyclone792
10-19-2006, 10:32 PM
Any NLCS MVP candidates at this point in this series? Or will it be decided by "tonight's hero"?

:confused:

If the Mets win, I'm thinking either Delgado or Beltran. It looks like a wash between those two right now, and Beltran's already smacked a two-bagger and has scored the Mets' only run so far tonight.

If the Cardinals win, I think it's Suppan unless this game suddenly starts lighting up the scoreboard and he gets knocked out shortly. Right now that doesn't look like it's going to happen, and he's on pace for his second good start of the series. Pujols has an OPS over 1.000, but MVP voters aren't smart and will look at RBI, meaning his lone RBI thus far won't do him any favors.

MWM
10-19-2006, 10:35 PM
Hey Cyclone, go check out my latest post on the thread. I think you'll find it interesting.

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 10:36 PM
Valentin just reached on a hit by pitch but the ball bounced in the dirt how is that a hit by pitch.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:37 PM
The Mets could have really used Floyd there. Chavez is horrible.

MWM
10-19-2006, 10:37 PM
The pitch hit him, hence the "hit by pitch." :evil:

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:43 PM
When's the last time Perez has thrown his fastball?

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
It's been a steady diet of junkballs this entire inning. Then one fastball.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:45 PM
Chavez can't hit, and now apparently can't field. Inning should be over.

MWM
10-19-2006, 10:46 PM
Where's Edskin? this is the most important AB of the series.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:48 PM
Willie Randolph has grapefruits.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:49 PM
This game needs:

http://oil.dailysonic.com/blog/wp-content/_1471097_david_baldwin150.jpg

Ice Grills.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:50 PM
I would pull Perez. PH for him now, especially with rain on the way.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:52 PM
Another horrible performance by the Mets offense.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 10:55 PM
Drama Queen faking another injury so that he can get some more camera time.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 10:57 PM
Drama Queen faking another injury so that he can get some camera time.

Wilson was hopping around on one foot like an injured bunny, and the announcers are all, "Oh dear! Edmonds is hurt!" :laugh:

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 10:57 PM
Drama Queen faking another injury so that he can get some camera time.

My wife just called him a wussy, but she pronounced the "w" differently.

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 10:58 PM
Drama Queen faking another injury so that he can get some camera time.

IMO he was wrong on that play. Wilson was under the ball and waiting for it. Almost seemed like he saw Wilson under it and tried to pull a "CF gets anything he wants" routine.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:00 PM
IMO he was wrong on that play. Wilson was under the ball and waiting for it. Almost seemed like he saw Wilson under it and tried to pull a "CF gets anything he wants" routine.

Edmonds always does that. Wilson is lucky he didn't get speared - you know, from Edmonds diving for a routine flyball again.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:00 PM
My little cousins were making fun of Edmonds last weekend. They asked me what "showboater" means, and I tried to explain. Then every time Edmonds turned up on TV they would pause for an extended period of time, then sprint across the room and dive. My cousins rule.

I still like Jim Edmonds though.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:03 PM
Now that was obscure: a fan's sign read: Oliver's Army.

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 11:04 PM
What a catch by Chavez!!!

MWM
10-19-2006, 11:04 PM
Wow! Unreal play by Chavez.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Holy crap that was amazing!!!

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Oh. MY crappin holy crap!!!

harangatang
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Holy Poop.

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
HOLY!!! Chavez robs Rolen of a 2R HR... wow! And starts a DP on the force at 1st on Edmonds. Wow!

:thumbup:

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Decent play by Chavez.

harangatang
10-19-2006, 11:05 PM
Plus a double play

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:06 PM
Now that was obscure: a fan's sign read: Oliver's Army.

New Yorkers are smrt.

And my guess is they're also now going to be pretty bouncy.

MWM
10-19-2006, 11:07 PM
I loathe the Cards, but I need them to win tonight for personal reasons.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:09 PM
I loathe the Cards, but I need them to win tonight for personal reasons.

If this has to do with fantasy baseball, I'm putting you on my block list.

I really think that was one of the most amazing catches I've ever seen.

And...yep, there we are again. Bell-tron.

dougdirt
10-19-2006, 11:09 PM
I just needed to stop in and say WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:09 PM
I loathe the Cards, but I need them to win tonight for personal reasons.

NEG HIM!!!!:devil: ;)

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:12 PM
Welke's calling a pretty crummy game.

MWM
10-19-2006, 11:12 PM
If this has to do with fantasy baseball, I'm putting you on my block list.

I really think that was one of the most amazing catches I've ever seen.

And...yep, there we are again. Bell-tron.


Nah, fantasy baseball season is over. It has to do with my attendance to Game 1 of the World Series.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:13 PM
Welke's calling a pretty crummy game.

I think that strike zone edges up against my living room.

Cyclone792
10-19-2006, 11:14 PM
Yep, I must say ... given the game, the situation, and all things considered ... that's one of the greatest catches I've ever seen, especially since Chavez also turned it into an inning ending double play.

I don't like either of these teams, but there's nothing at all wrong with a tie game in the bottom of the 6th inning in Game Seven. I'm loving this!

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 11:14 PM
I have not gotten tired of seeing the replay of that catch... and don't think I can get tired of it. That was a great catch and so key with it happening in a game 7. In the NLCS too... Glenn Braggs comes to mind with his grab in 1990, but that was game 6 and kept the lead (although the 9th inning). This is game 7 and tied... makes it bigger IMO.

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 11:14 PM
Rolen throws a ball into the 5th row.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:15 PM
Mets will have the bases loaded with 1 out. My bet is they don't score.

Rolen and LaRussa are no longer speaking, btw. Hopefully the Cardinals trade him this offseason.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:20 PM
Valentin chokes. Complete chokejob.

Told ya the Muts wouldn't score.

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 11:21 PM
Mets blow a great scoring chance and leave the bases loaded.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:21 PM
The Muts are awful. This is the worst NLCS I have ever seen.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:21 PM
My guess is the Cards score a gaggle of runs this inning, as they've seen the Mets pen a ton this series.

RedFanAlways1966
10-19-2006, 11:22 PM
Suppan dodges the bullet! Chavez could have possibly won himself the NLCS MVP w/ a hit there.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:22 PM
you predicted right

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:22 PM
That place is pretty electric. I have to say I have a pretty big fondness for ginormous baseball stadiums, which probably goes back to my childhood days at Riverfront. I hope that doesn't lessen my self-purported baseball purism.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:23 PM
Absolutely no way possible the Muts wins this series.

Heath
10-19-2006, 11:23 PM
Chad Bradford needs an ark.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:25 PM
Absolutely no way possible the Muts wins this series.

Yep. That was the last gasp right there.

The Cards have the good part of their bullpen rested and ready to shut the door. All the Cards need to do is score one.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:26 PM
I'm calling you guys on this one. i didn't want to jinx anything. But I call it for the Mets.

KronoRed
10-19-2006, 11:26 PM
If the cards win I have to root for an AL team in the series, and that makes Krono unhappy.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:31 PM
extra innings would be exciting

Heath
10-19-2006, 11:31 PM
extra innings would be exciting

only for insomniacs....and idiots like me

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:33 PM
it would even be better if the mets win

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:35 PM
micheal tucker pich hitting

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:38 PM
tucker flied out

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:40 PM
reyes grounded out to first

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:41 PM
lo duca grounded out to shortstop

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:41 PM
The Mets offense is terrible these days. One run against Jeff freakin' Suppan?

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 11:41 PM
Mets have not had a hit since the 1st inning.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:41 PM
is that suppans last inning he has 99 pitches?

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:43 PM
aaron heilman pitching

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:45 PM
Here comes No Soul Patch.

Cyclone792
10-19-2006, 11:48 PM
If Pujols strolls to the plate with two outs and nobody on, I'd seriously contemplate just walking him intentionally.

And Pujols will be up with two outs and nobody on ...

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:49 PM
If Pujols strolls to the plate with two outs and nobody on, I'd seriously contemplate just walking him intentionally.

And Pujols will be up with two outs and nobody on ...

I would too.

NDRed
10-19-2006, 11:49 PM
i think they should walk him

KronoRed
10-19-2006, 11:49 PM
Bean him.

Falls City Beer
10-19-2006, 11:49 PM
If the Mets fall behind here the game's over.

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:50 PM
Bean him.

:beerme:

OnBaseMachine
10-19-2006, 11:53 PM
1-1 bottom 8.

This is the Mets best chance to score...Beltran/Delgado/Wright coming up. Again, my bet is they don't score.

Cyclone792
10-19-2006, 11:53 PM
Juan Encarnacion sure doesn't have any clue what the strike zone is, and it's really showing in this NLCS. Just constant swinging and getting himself out on pitches outside the strike zone.

Boy do I not miss him in a Reds uniform.

vaticanplum
10-19-2006, 11:53 PM
Seems to me a HUGE disadvantage for the Cards to have Encarnacion batting behind Pujols.

Hey Heath, if the Mets go to the World Series, is that civil war in the Heath House?

Reds Fanatic
10-19-2006, 11:59 PM
Suppan is coming out of the game.

Looks like Wagner is going to pitch the 9th. Last night he gave up 2 runs and in game 2 he gave up 3 runs.

Cyclone792
10-20-2006, 12:00 AM
I wonder if Beltran tries to swipe a base sometime this inning. For his career, he's stolen 227 bases with only 32 caught steals. That's a lifetime 87.6 percent success rate, which is just astonishing. He's slowed down the past two years, however, as he only has 35 stolen bases with nine caught steals in 2005-06 combined.

It'd be bold to send him, especially with Molina behind the plate, but he's the kind of guy to send.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 12:02 AM
If Wagner pitches the ninth the Cards will win. He's been beyond useless.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 12:03 AM
I wonder if Beltran tries to swipe a base sometime this inning. For his career, he's stolen 227 bases with only 32 caught steals. That's a lifetime 87.6 percent success rate, which is just astonishing. He's slowed down the past two years, however, as he only has 35 stolen bases with nine caught steals in 2005-06 combined.

It'd be bold to send him, especially with Molina behind the plate, but he's the kind of guy to send.

I wouldn't send him when it's wet like this.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:06 AM
Delgado chokes. Swung at balls 3 and 4...he couldn't have hit those pitches with an ironing board.

reds44
10-20-2006, 12:08 AM
Wright will K

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:12 AM
If New Yorkers boo A-Rod, then why aren't they booing David Wright? He has been downright awful in the postseason, specifically this series.

Both of these teams are pure crap. Can we just cancel the rest of the postseason and hand the Tigers the WS trophy?

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:12 AM
Mets have now been no hit for the last 7 1/3 innings.

vaticanplum
10-20-2006, 12:12 AM
If New Yorkers boo A-Rod, then why aren't they booing David Wright? He has been downright awful in the postseason, specifically this series.

Different fans, different press coverage, and different salaries.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:14 AM
Mets leave Heilman in. Good move.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:19 AM
Ball 3 on Rolen was strike three on Wright. Gonna be hard to beat both the Cards and umps.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:20 AM
Ugh. Molina homers. 3-1 Cards.

NDRed
10-20-2006, 12:21 AM
thats game

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:21 AM
Worst hitter in baseball homers. Cardinals wins. Mets choke. Ump wins the game.

paulrichjr
10-20-2006, 12:22 AM
Wow! I guess this just proves that if you can just "get" to the playoffs "anything" can happen.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:22 AM
If the Mets are going to get shut down by Jeff stinkin' Suppan TWICE, they don't deserve to go to the World Series.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:22 AM
Yadier Molina is the worst regular starting player I have ever seen, yet the dude has destroyed the Mets. How embarrassing.

Randolph definitely should lose his job. And Minaya too.

Dom Heffner
10-20-2006, 12:23 AM
Gosh I hate the Cardinals.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:24 AM
Mets chances are down to Valentin, Chavez and a pinch hitter.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:25 AM
As I mentioned earlier, I kind of wanted the Cards to win, but purely as a baseball fan, it really disappoints me to see teams like the Cards get to the World Series. And it's not that unlikely that they'll win.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:26 AM
Embarrassing moment for MLB. A horrible baseball team is about to somehow make the WS thanks to some choking and some help from the homeplate ump. Worst team I have ever seen make a WS.

Now we get to listen to stupid Cardinals fans rub it in about how great their team is and how St. Louis is the best baseball town ever.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:27 AM
Valentin takes a pitch eye level for a called strike.

RedsManRick
10-20-2006, 12:28 AM
Either at BP or THT I was reading today about the difference between a 70 win team and a 92 win team.

If I were to tell you that a 92 win team and a 70 win team were going head to head in a 7 game series, you'd probably predict the 92 win team would win pretty easily in 5 or 6 games.

But if I told you that a team who averaged 4-3 every week went against a team who averaged 3-4 every week were going head to head, you'd probably predict a close 7 game series.

The fact is, that roster construction, specific players, and all that jazz aside, the 162 game season simply amplifies small differences. If you put the best football or basketball team up against an average one for 7 games, they'd win every series. You do it in baseball and it's still a toss up.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:29 AM
Valentin leads off with a hit. Tying run at the plate.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:29 AM
this is setting up to be a potential historic finish.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:31 AM
Chavez singles. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

Cyclone792
10-20-2006, 12:31 AM
Wow, first and second with nobody out. The Mets should be able to flip their lineup enough to start getting the big bats up too.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:31 AM
Cliff Floyd is pinch hitting.

NDRed
10-20-2006, 12:32 AM
intense

Tornon
10-20-2006, 12:32 AM
Kirk Gibson anybody?

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:32 AM
This has been a damn good game.

Cant Touch This
10-20-2006, 12:32 AM
Don't like the decision to bat Floyd here. Of course, if he homers, then I really like it.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:32 AM
Kirk Gibson anybody?

No chance at all.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:33 AM
WOW, that's a high strike zone.

RedsManRick
10-20-2006, 12:34 AM
A flyout won't advance the runners and a grounder is nearly a gauranteed DP. Can't say I like Floyd up right now. Shame Randolph has virtually no bench.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:34 AM
Welke is a Cardinals fan.

OldRightHander
10-20-2006, 12:35 AM
Trying to end it with that swing.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:35 AM
Unreal pitch by Wainright. He had no chance at all.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:35 AM
Floyd strikes out looking.

Cant Touch This
10-20-2006, 12:36 AM
Beats a DP...

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:36 AM
The Cardinals MVP is Tim Welke, hands down.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:36 AM
That curve is just nasty.

OldRightHander
10-20-2006, 12:38 AM
McCarver once again is the master of the obvious.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:38 AM
I'm surprised Edmonds didn't slow up and dive at that. :evil:

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:38 AM
Reyes lines out to center. Mets down to their last out.

RedsManRick
10-20-2006, 12:39 AM
Perfect example here of a classic lineup debate. It would sure would be nice to have Beltran, Delgado, or Wright up right now.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:39 AM
Mets offense once again chokes. 1st and 2nd with 0 outs and they fail to score. Randolph and Minaya should be canned after this loss.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:41 AM
Walk loads the bases for Beltran.

Cyclone792
10-20-2006, 12:41 AM
LoDuca did an outstanding job not chasing any of the junk out of the strike zone.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:42 AM
I'm envisioning a base hit followed by a close play at the plate where the guy on second is thrown out. Cards win 3-2.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:43 AM
I predict Beltran chokes, just like all the other Mets.

Reds Fanatic
10-20-2006, 12:44 AM
Beltran strikes out looking. Cardinals are going to the World Series.

OldRightHander
10-20-2006, 12:44 AM
What a curve.

Detroit in 5.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 12:45 AM
Told ya.

Worst team to ever reach the World Series.

Reds4Life
10-20-2006, 12:45 AM
Watching STL win makes me ill, I hope the Tigers destroy them.

Phhhl
10-20-2006, 12:46 AM
The Tigers will run that club in four games. What a horrible turn of events.

jmcclain19
10-20-2006, 12:51 AM
Seriously - how can Beltran, with two outs and two strikes - in game seven of the series, not swing at anything close.

Pathetic.

MWM
10-20-2006, 12:52 AM
I still can't believe a team as bad as the Cards are goin to the World Series.

But the Mets have no one to blame by themselves. They were completely shut down by Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan TWICE.

marcshoe
10-20-2006, 12:52 AM
That didn't happen. The Cardinals are not going to the World Series. I refuse to believe it.

Reds4Life
10-20-2006, 12:55 AM
I still can't believe a team as bad as the Cards are goin to the World Series.

Don't worry, they won't be there long. If the series goes more than 5 games I will be shocked. I'd say the odds of a Tigers sweep have to be pretty good.

NDRed
10-20-2006, 12:58 AM
that bad a team going to the world series, amazing

Gainesville Red
10-20-2006, 01:04 AM
that bad a team going to the world series, amazing

I take my hat off to them. Like you said, they're going to the world series.

jmcclain19
10-20-2006, 01:04 AM
I think watching the Cardinals go to the series makes me hate the Reds even more for their West Coast Choke job this season.

Seriously - if they go .500 on that end of the season West Coast trip - it could be the Reds & Tigers in the World Series.

Way to fold up guys.

MWM
10-20-2006, 01:11 AM
What's a little disappointing is looking over in the AL at the quality of some of the teams that didn't come that close to making the playoffs. The Blue Jays, Red Zox, White Sox, and Angels were probably all better than any team that made the playoffs in the NL, except a healthy Mets team.

jmcclain19
10-20-2006, 01:15 AM
What's a little disappointing is looking over in the AL at the quality of some of the teams that didn't come that close to making the playoffs. The Blue Jays, Red Zox, White Sox, and Angels were probably all better than any team that made the playoffs in the NL, except a healthy Mets team.

You could even exclude the Mets from that group. When you're pinning your season hopes on the fact that Steve Trachsel & Oliver Perez don't soil themselves on national television, you're not a good baseball team.

Kc61
10-20-2006, 01:16 AM
I think the Cards win shows the importance of the bullpen in post-season. Kinney, Flores, Wainright. These young relievers were the difference in this series, shutting down the Mets in games 5 and 7.

Three good starters and a nasty bullpen and you are in good shape for the post-season (if you get there). Cards, with all their flaws and problems, are well set up for a short series.

And LaRussa did a good job using these guys. I couldn't believe he let the lefty face David Wright in the eighth inning, but he struck Wright out.

Gainesville Red
10-20-2006, 01:17 AM
It's really odd. How did the AL become so much better than the NL?

Cedric
10-20-2006, 01:21 AM
It's really odd. How did the AL become so much better than the NL?

Survival of the fittest. The Yankees and the Red Sox forced the rest of the AL to either improve or just go away.

vaticanplum
10-20-2006, 01:24 AM
Yadier Molina is a goon and I hate the Cardinals.

I am seriously thinking that I may have to take a couple of years off from baseball. I get so invested in teams beyond even the two I really love. And lately it seems like nothing I want to happen ever does.

Cedric
10-20-2006, 01:28 AM
Yadier Molina is a goon and I hate the Cardinals.

I am seriously thinking that I may have to take a couple of years off from baseball. I get so invested in teams beyond even the two I really love. And lately it seems like nothing I want to happen ever does.

I've been a huge Bengals fan my whole life. Nothing EVER goes right for the Bengals. The one good season they have is ruined by a major knee injury and the Steelers win the Super Bowl. Talk about feeling cursed :)

vaticanplum
10-20-2006, 01:55 AM
Here's a fun little tidbit for you.

A friend of mine is a t-shirt designer who works for a company in Brooklyn. They happen to be the company that does the shirts for MLB -- a lot smaller company than you might expect for such a thing.

In situations such as this, where the series can go either way, they have to prepare the shirts for both teams. Not all hundreds of thousands of them ready to sell -- they have people back at the warehouse ready to go and work all night for that -- but quite enough. You'll notice, of course, that the teams have the shirts on the second after the game ends. Well, both sets of shirts are at the stadium ready to go and heavily guarded.

The shirts that aren't used? They are immediately taken away -- police-escorted, I believe -- to be destroyed. And they are all destroyed; not one escapes. This is like life and death for them. I BEGGED him to fritter away a Yankees shirt for me at the 2004 ALCS, and he refused; he swore that they would find out somehow and he would never work again.

So all those Mets shirts were all ready to go, and by this time -- almost an hour after the game, I think -- I'd venture to guess they've already been destroyed.

RedsBaron
10-20-2006, 02:53 AM
Here's a fun little tidbit for you.

A friend of mine is a t-shirt designer who works for a company in Brooklyn. They happen to be the company that does the shirts for MLB -- a lot smaller company than you might expect for such a thing.

In situations such as this, where the series can go either way, they have to prepare the shirts for both teams. Not all hundreds of thousands of them ready to sell -- they have people back at the warehouse ready to go and work all night for that -- but quite enough. You'll notice, of course, that the teams have the shirts on the second after the game ends. Well, both sets of shirts are at the stadium ready to go and heavily guarded.

The shirts that aren't used? They are immediately taken away -- police-escorted, I believe -- to be destroyed. And they are all destroyed; not one escapes. This is like life and death for them. I BEGGED him to fritter away a Yankees shirt for me at the 2004 ALCS, and he refused; he swore that they would find out somehow and he would never work again.

So all those Mets shirts were all ready to go, and by this time -- almost an hour after the game, I think -- I'd venture to guess they've already been destroyed.

I was in Boston the day after the Red Sox lost game seven of the 1986 World Series. I bought, at a reduced price, a tee shirt that read "Boston Red Sox: 1986 World Champions."

vaticanplum
10-20-2006, 02:58 AM
I was in Boston the day after the Red Sox lost game seven of the 1986 World Series. I bought, at a reduced price, a tee shirt that read "Boston Red Sox: 1986 World Champions."

:eek: I hope you saved it, I bet that's worth some dough. They would never let that happen now. Shows how different marketing and money are these days.

GAC
10-20-2006, 07:20 AM
I congratulate the Cardinals (and their fans).

I've never been a fan of NY teams. I loved watching the last couple of innings, and all those NY fans with hands folded praying to the heavens. :lol:

Anything can happen in a short series.... and it just did. The two best teams (record-wise) are out of the post-season.

Games (championships) are won on the field.

Say what you want about how/why the Cards advanced.... solid pitching, clutch/timely hitting, whatever.

To me, it was another post-season where pitching wins, and also with unlikely heroes, as the so-called "superstars" in both dugouts didn't exactly have great post-seasons. And maybe that is because the opposition was so worried about those stars that they took their eyes off the rest of the roster, that also can burn you very quickly and easily.

And it all came down to one of the players that helped get the Mets there - Carlos Beltran. And he waited till then to have one of his worst A/Bs of the season.... down by 2 runs, bases loaded, 2 outs, and a shot at the WS in the balance....this is basically it.... and this idiot was up there LOOKING FOR a walk. And I say that because after the Card's Duncan's visits the mound to settle Wainwright down, this kid does just that! He was throwing strikes and mixing it up. And Beltran was up there acting like he wasn't even intending on swinging. Simply terrible A/B!

But we Red fans saw those types of A/Bs alot this year ourselves. ;)

Beltran was the epitome of the Met's choke job.

Card's deserved to win because, well, they simply did.

And if somehow our Reds had managed to squeak into the post-season with a slightly above .500 record, and then, for whatever reasons, put it together, got hot, played good ball, and made it to the WS.... I don't think some of you who are complaining that the Cards don't deserve to be there, would have been saying the same about our Reds. You'd have been rootin' them on big time, and ENJOYING it. ;)

Heath
10-20-2006, 08:16 AM
Here's a fun little tidbit for you.

A friend of mine is a t-shirt designer who works for a company in Brooklyn. They happen to be the company that does the shirts for MLB -- a lot smaller company than you might expect for such a thing.

In situations such as this, where the series can go either way, they have to prepare the shirts for both teams. Not all hundreds of thousands of them ready to sell -- they have people back at the warehouse ready to go and work all night for that -- but quite enough. You'll notice, of course, that the teams have the shirts on the second after the game ends. Well, both sets of shirts are at the stadium ready to go and heavily guarded.

The shirts that aren't used? They are immediately taken away -- police-escorted, I believe -- to be destroyed. And they are all destroyed; not one escapes. This is like life and death for them. I BEGGED him to fritter away a Yankees shirt for me at the 2004 ALCS, and he refused; he swore that they would find out somehow and he would never work again.

So all those Mets shirts were all ready to go, and by this time -- almost an hour after the game, I think -- I'd venture to guess they've already been destroyed.

Sometimes they get donated to third-world countries and people who need clothing could care less that the Buffalo Bills never won a Super Bowl.

I think I read that in a Sporting News a few years ago about how a guy on a medical overseas trip ran into people wearing Bills' Super Bowl Champion t-shirts.

Oh, by the way, go Tigers.

Roy Tucker
10-20-2006, 08:45 AM
Great ballgame last night. I enjoyed it. The way those 0's kept rolling up on the scoreboard, it was a little reminiscent of the '90 Twins-Braves game 7. Clutch pitching.

I've got no problem with the Cardinals winning. They've gotten hot at the right time (just like the Tigers). They won the games on the field, so they deserve to be there.

If the Mets had won, Chavez's catch would have been one for the ages. That was a truly phenomenal play. The catch rescued Willie Randolph from joining the Grady Little "pull the pitcher now you moron" club.

I don't remember Suppan being that good during the season. I remember him as being just another guy pitcher.

And I think Beltran was surprised by how directly Wainwright went after him.

Actually, there were an awful lot of AB's last night that reminded me of the Reds. No situational hitting, everyone swinging from the heels. I guess statistically speaking it produces runs, but its maddening baseball to watch.

RFS62
10-20-2006, 08:50 AM
Yeah,Wainwright was nasty in the 9th.

Good game. Sets up a classic rematch of the 1968 World Series.

GAC
10-20-2006, 09:51 AM
Yeah,Wainwright was nasty in the 9th.

Good game. Sets up a classic rematch of the 1968 World Series.

Denny McLain is taking odds! ;)

GAC
10-20-2006, 09:57 AM
Cliff Floyd didn't exactly have a great AB either. Rather lackluster.

Roy Tucker
10-20-2006, 10:03 AM
Nor did David Wright, Preston Wilson, or Juan Encarnacion.

Rolen looked bad early but somehow dialed it up a notch his last 2 ABs.

Matt700wlw
10-20-2006, 12:26 PM
Stupid Cardinals :D

As much as they deserve some love for doing what everybody said the couldn't, I can't be the one to do it.

:bang:

vaticanplum
10-20-2006, 03:45 PM
Sometimes they get donated to third-world countries and people who need clothing could care less that the Buffalo Bills never won a Super Bowl.

I think I read that in a Sporting News a few years ago about how a guy on a medical overseas trip ran into people wearing Bills' Super Bowl Champion t-shirts.

I don't think MLB allows that, not at the company where my friend works anyway, which supplies all the shirts for the Eastern seaboard. I remember this because I said that we should send them off to Africa and teach them to use e-bay and we could probably fix AIDS down there. He was absolute that none of the t-shirts ever got out.

Maybe my friend is just a stick in the mud :laugh: But this is one of his biggest clients, so I can understand from a work standpoint.

M2
10-20-2006, 04:30 PM
Survival of the fittest. The Yankees and the Red Sox forced the rest of the AL to either improve or just go away.

Excellent point.

The Braves and Cardinals have been the NL gold standard and neither of those franchises charge nearly as hard as the Yanks and Sox. No one in the NL these days forces you to aspire to greatness.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 04:51 PM
Watching STL win makes me ill, I hope the Tigers destroy them.

The Cards' offense--now healthy--is pretty much every bit the offense of the Tigers. Maybe better.

The only place the Tigers have an edge over the Cardinals is in starting depth. Now, admittedly, that's a good place to be stacked. Still, I'd take my chances with Suppan against any offense in the known universe right now; Suppan means the Cards WILL win at least two games in the Series. If Carpenter can step up once and Weaver as well, it should be very, very interesting.

I'll say Cards in 7--fulfilling my Cards' 1975 prediction. This is their year to seal the deal. If there's a team of destiny this season it's the Cardinals. Every last little thing is working right for them right now.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 04:55 PM
For the record, I don't think I've seen a pitching performance like Suppan's since Smoltz' brilliant outing in Game 7 of the 91 Series. Hostile environment, tough offense--totally and completely unfazed. If I'm the Cards I'm trying to find a way to squeeze three starts out of him if possible. He was utterly unhittable last night.

guttle11
10-20-2006, 05:18 PM
I think watching the Cardinals go to the series makes me hate the Reds even more for their West Coast Choke job this season.

Seriously - if they go .500 on that end of the season West Coast trip - it could be the Reds & Tigers in the World Series.

Way to fold up guys.

What's worse is the way they played the Cubs and Pirates. That's what really kept them out of the playoffs.

westofyou
10-20-2006, 06:40 PM
For the record, I don't think I've seen a pitching performance like Suppan's since Smoltz' brilliant outing in Game 7 of the 91 Series. Hostile environment, tough offense--totally and completely unfazed.

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Chip R
10-20-2006, 07:17 PM
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Is that mercurachrome on that sock? ;)

blumj
10-20-2006, 07:59 PM
Nah, it's ketchup. He's such a drama queen.

OnBaseMachine
10-20-2006, 08:36 PM
FCB talking up Suppan like he's actually a good pitcher makes me laugh.

Patrick Bateman
10-20-2006, 09:18 PM
FCB talking up Suppan like he's actually a good pitcher makes me laugh.

Especially when he's scheduled to make 1 start.

For the record, Suppan has a DIPS ERA in the playoffs of 3.72.

He's been very lucky and has recored only 9 K's with 9 walks. Only his abilty to keep it in the park has allowed him to slightly over achieve during the playoffs,

Patrick Bateman
10-20-2006, 09:20 PM
If I'm the Cards I'm trying to find a way to squeeze three starts out of him if possible.


You could get him for 3 starts if you start him on 1 days rest, then 3 days twice in a row.

I hope they follow your advice.

Patrick Bateman
10-20-2006, 09:27 PM
The Cards' offense--now healthy--is pretty much every bit the offense of the Tigers. Maybe better.



The Cards OPS in the playoffs is .750, which is less than their regular season OPS of .769.


The Tigers are at .867. compared to .777 during the seaosn.

It appears to be the Tigers who are stepping it up, not the Cardinals.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 10:32 PM
Especially when he's scheduled to make 1 start.

For the record, Suppan has a DIPS ERA in the playoffs of 3.72.

He's been very lucky and has recored only 9 K's with 9 walks. Only his abilty to keep it in the park has allowed him to slightly over achieve during the playoffs,

Ask the Mets, the NL's best offense, what they think of the guy who spanked them twice in 5 days' time. It's rare that an offense gets shut down in almost exactly the same manner after having seen the guy just days before.

Results matter in the playoffs. It's a different beast from the regular season. DIPS only matters vis the regular season.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 10:34 PM
The Cards OPS in the playoffs is .750, which is less than their regular season OPS of .769.

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The "healthy" part of my comment refers to them having gotten healthy over the last month or so of the season--not that they've all of a sudden gotten healthy since the beginning of the postseason.

westofyou
10-20-2006, 10:35 PM
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5637&PHPSESSID=20ea2d5a24a180d47f67c98ec4ec7045


The defense deserves just as much credit as the pitchers do. The Mets popped eight homers in the NLCS and drew 24 walks, good totals for a seven-game series. When they put the ball in play, however, they made outs. They hit a lowly .242 on balls in play, more than 50 points below their regular-season mark. The Cardinals, not a strikeout staff, managed to pitch to contact (just 36 strikeouts in seven games) without getting singled and doubled to death. They share some credit for that figure, but when you look at why the Mets didn’t put runs on the board, that .242 mark (of if you prefer, a DER of about .758), was the key to the series.

PuffyPig
10-20-2006, 10:43 PM
Results matter in the playoffs. It's a different beast from the regular season. DIPS only matters vis the regular season.

Results matter just as much in the regular season as the playoffs.

DIPS ERA is an indication of what to expect from a pitcher in the future. The fact that Suppan's results have been better than his actual performance is an indication that Suppan is more likely to get less results in the future, unless he, in fact, starts to pitch better.

OldRightHander
10-20-2006, 10:51 PM
Great ballgame last night. I enjoyed it. The way those 0's kept rolling up on the scoreboard, it was a little reminiscent of the '90 Twins-Braves game 7. Clutch pitching.


I seem to remember different teams that year, but that has been a few years. Maybe my memory's faulty.

Falls City Beer
10-20-2006, 10:53 PM
Results matter just as much in the regular season as the playoffs.

DIPS ERA is an indication of what to expect from a pitcher in the future. The fact that Suppan's results have been better than his actual performance is an indication that Suppan is more likely to get less results in the future, unless he, in fact, starts to pitch better.

The guy has been brilliant for 3 straight months. And how can you effectively gauge DIPS ERA for 2 or 3 starts? That is, is that really an altogether effective gauge of the future or small sample goofiness? A lot of the walks Suppan's issued have been deliberate and timely, not the results of the inability to throw strikes.

PuffyPig
10-20-2006, 11:37 PM
He has a DIPS ERA of 4.68 this year.

He's been far from brilliant.

He hasn't even been average.

But he has improved as the season has gone on.

PuffyPig
10-20-2006, 11:43 PM
Ask the Mets, the NL's best offense...

FYI, the Mets were 3rd in runs scored this season in the NL.

GAC
10-21-2006, 09:21 AM
For the record, I don't think I've seen a pitching performance like Suppan's since Smoltz' brilliant outing in Game 7 of the 91 Series. Hostile environment, tough offense--totally and completely unfazed. If I'm the Cards I'm trying to find a way to squeeze three starts out of him if possible. He was utterly unhittable last night.

Very true. But Kenny Rogers also turned in two very good gems also.

I say the Tigers in 5 games. They have home field advantage (46-35), the Tiger's SP will shut them down.

The Cards are not facing SD or the Mets now; but a far superior team. And it's gonna show.