3/10 Game Thread - Reds vs Indians

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds Starting Lineup from C. Trent's blog:

Game is on Sportstime Ohio, MLB.TV, WLW and XM 180


27 Chris Denorfia ..................RF
21 Scott Hatteberg ................ 1B
4 Brandon Phillips ............... 2B
19 Jeff Conine .......................DH
17 Javier Valentin .................... C
46 Mark Bellhorn ................... 3B
9 Juan Castro ......................SS
16 Bubba Crosby ...................LF
34 Jerry Gil ............................CF
40 Paul Wilson ........................ P

Here are the pitchers making the trip:
51 Burton, Jared ....................RHP
65 Coutlangus, Jon ................LHP
66 Dumatrait, Phil ..................LHP
48 Gosling, Michael ...............LHP
58 Medlock, Calvin .................RHP
35 Saarloos, Kirk ....................RHP
53 Salmon, Brad ....................RHP
64 Shearn, Tom ......................RHP
40 Wilson, Paul ......................RHP

[reds44]

What is gametime?

[pedro]

wow, that's a boring bunch of players.

[Reds Fanatic]

What is gametime?
1:05

[Hoosier Red]

Have to say Hamilton has to feel good about making the team. He's apparantly a big enough star he doesn't even have to go on road trips.

[GAC]

Chat will be open also. :beerme:

[edabbs44]

How did Jerry Gil become a CFer so fast?

At least Deno is hitting in the upper half of the order. :)

[Redmachine2003]

Gil played the outfield most of last year.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Have to say Hamilton has to feel good about making the team. He's apparantly a big enough star he doesn't even have to go on road trips.

He's played quite a bit, often staying in for whole games. He's probably just getting a one game pass.

[Tom Servo]

wow, that's a boring bunch of players.
Well put.


I have a hard time being interested in the spring training games where Hamilton isn't in the lineup, Castro and Crosby just add to that apathy.

[edabbs44]

Well put.


I have a hard time being interested in the spring training games where Hamilton isn't in the lineup, Castro and Crosby just add to that apathy.

4-9 in the order is an opposing pitcher's dream.

[BubbaFan]

Hamilton might be subbed in later. I doubt that lineup will play the whole game, if previous games are any example. Maybe as DH? Conine is not going to play nine innings.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Hamilton might be subbed in later. I doubt that lineup will play the whole game, if previous games are any example. Maybe as DH? Conine is not going to play nine innings.

According to C. Trent's blog, if I'm reading it right, those are the only guys who made the trip

[BubbaFan]

According to C. Trent's blog, if I'm reading it right, those are the only guys who made the trip

I seriously doubt that. Only nine position players? I think Trent just didn't bother posting the travel roster. That's just the starting lineup.

[GAC]

There just giving guys playing time as needed. It's still good to have baseball back.

[tbball10]

I seriously doubt that. Only nine position players? I think Trent just didn't bother posting the travel roster. That's just the starting lineup.

No way there's only nine position players. THat doesn't even make sense.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

I think Trent just didn't bother posting the travel roster. That's just the starting lineup.

Probably, that was just the way I took it at first glance. I tend to type first and think later.

[TeamCasey]

Chat will be open also. :beerme:

I'll be in, when the child wanders downstairs.

[Matt700wlw]

What is gametime?

The time in which the game starts....


And don't call me Shirley.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Interesting, MLB.tv isn't blacking this out for me. Probably just a ST deal.

[BubbaFan]

And the game has started. Deno and Hatteberg both went down swinging.

[NatiRedGals]

Interesting, MLB.tv isn't blacking this out for me. Probably just a ST deal.

It may sound odd but last year if i got the games when they were in warmup and never turned it off and juss watched it through without closing it out and coming back in it never blacked me out... LOL

[pahster]

Wilson's fastball is sitting at about 84 according to the tv gun.

[edabbs44]

Wilson's fastball is sitting at about 84 according to the tv gun.

Wow.

[pahster]

He threw three breaking pitches to Dellucci clocked at 67, 68, and 73.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Jake Westbrook is just mowing down our hitters

[mth123]

Jake Westbrook is just mowing down our hitters

Hitters is a loose term for this group. I thought there had to be at least 4 starters on a road spring game. Phillips, Hatte, ???

[Reds1]

Wilson's fastball is sitting at about 84 according to the tv gun.

where are you watching this on tv?

[pahster]

where are you watching this on tv?

MLB.tv.

Wilson hasn't allowed a baserunner yet. Hatteberg made a nice diving play.

[mth123]

Hit for Castro.

The great Bubba up to bat.

[Tom Servo]

Castro with the first hit of the day for the Redlegs

[pahster]

The Indians announcers have proclaimed that only "little, contact guys" (like Castro, apparently) are able to hit Westbrook.

[GAC]

Chat is open folks. I hate to drink alone. :beerme:

[mth123]

The Indians announcers have proclaimed that only "little, contact guys" (like Castro, apparently) are able to hit Westbrook.

How about little non-contact guys like most of this line-up?

[TeamCasey]

Who is doing the announcing on the radio?

[pahster]

How about little non-contact guys like most of this line-up?

They have a professional approach at the plate.

[mth123]

They have a professional approach at the plate.

Oh. I feel better now.

I do think Gil is interesting a little. But he K's as well.

[mth123]

Deno hits into FC. inning over.

[pahster]

I do think Gil is interesting a little. But he K's as well.

From what little I've seen (which is like 3 PA), Gil looks like he swings at pretty much everything, which, judging by his OBP, isn't surprising.

[Handofdeath]

Wilson's fastball is sitting at about 84 according to the tv gun.

Wow! Already in midseason form!

[dougdirt]

From what little I've seen (which is like 3 PA), Gil looks like he swings at pretty much everything, which, judging by his OBP, isn't surprising.

I am pretty sure he is up there to hit a HR on every pitch.

[mth123]

From what little I've seen (which is like 3 PA), Gil looks like he swings at pretty much everything, which, judging by his OBP, isn't surprising.

Yeah. He has a poor approoach. I like versatile players with extra base power though. Maybe he can learn some plate discipline. It would only take a little to make him useful (not a star, but a backfill for Freel at least).

[rotnoid]

I am pretty sure he is up there to hit a HR on every pitch.

Another graduate of the Adam Dunn school of hitting.

[mth123]

Another graduate of the Adam Dunn school of hitting.

Not the same thing at all. Dunn has a high OBP with a lot of plate discipline.

[pahster]

Another graduate of the Adam Dunn school of hitting.

Dunn has power and gets on base, all the while seeing lots of pitches. Gil just has pop, and appears to get himself out pretty early in the count.

[rotnoid]

Not the same thing at all. Dunn has a high OBP with a lot of plate discipline.

At least he used to. Those number have been in pretty steady decline the past few years. He's even said (on the Rome show for example) he's not interested in hitting singles, it's not his job.

[edabbs44]

Another graduate of the Adam Dunn school of hitting.

Why do you gotta say stuff like that?

[pahster]

At least he used to. Those number have been in pretty steady decline the past few years. He's even said (on the Rome show for example) he's not interested in hitting singles, it's not his job.

Steady? Are you sure?

OBP
2004 - .388
2005 - .387
2006 - .365

It certainly went down last year, but from 2004 to 2005 you're talking about a decrease of .001.

[mth123]

Wilson's fooled the Indian hitters today.

I hope Narron's not fooled.

[TeamCasey]

GAC ... the grill is going to win/ The sun came out! I'm free!

(a little cabin fever here.)

[mth123]

Hatte lines out to CF.

Dead part of the order up now.

[rotnoid]

Steady? Are you sure?

OBP
2004 - .388
2005 - .387
2006 - .365

It certainly went down last year, but from 2004 to 2005 you're talking about a decrease of .001.

I'll give you OBP, but over the same period, his slugging and average have also decreased, more substantially.

SLG AVG K
2004- .569 .266 195
2005- .540 .247 168
2006- .490 .234 194

Those numbers don't exactly scream plate discipline. I really hope I'm wrong and Jacoby can turn this trend around. It's a necessity if the Reds are going go contend.

[mth123]

Conine doubled but the reds go down w/o scoring again.

[OnBaseMachine]

Paul Wilson and his 84 mph pitching well today would be a bad thing. I don't want Wilson on the Opening Day roster...he's finished.

[mth123]

Burton pitching. This is more interesting at least.

[pahster]

I'll give you OBP, but over the same period, his slugging and average have also decreased, more substantially.

SLG AVG K
2004- .569 .266 195
2005- .540 .247 168
2006- .490 .234 194

Those numbers don't exactly scream plate discipline. I really hope I'm wrong and Jacoby can turn this trend around. It's a necessity if the Reds are going go contend.

2004 was a very good year. 2005 was a notch below, but still very good. I can't remember which, but I believe Dunn played the last 2-4 weeks of one of those seasons with a broken hand (I wanna say it was 2005). 2006 was a disappointing year, no argument there.. I don't care about K's and average is of only marginal interest to me. Dunn also had over 100 walks in each of those years. I'm not sure how hitters draw walks without having plate discipline.

[mth123]

Delucci doubles with hustle.

[Matt700wlw]

Paul Wilson and his 84 mph pitching well today would be a bad thing. I don't want Wilson on the Opening Day roster...he's finished.

Can't rip the guy's heart and desire....however, I'm with you. I'm still not sure, from a baseball standpoint, why they resigned him, even to a minor league deal.

[Matt700wlw]

Delucci doubles with hustle.

He was almost a Red this offseason according to Marty and JB

[Matt700wlw]

Burton pitching. This is more interesting at least.

JB likes this kid. Says his stuff is top notch.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

He was almost a Red this offseason according to Marty and JB

I was just thinking about how much I'd like to see him in our OF instead of... Old Man Conine

[mth123]

Garko doubles. Burton looking for his luggage.

[pahster]

I was just thinking about how much I'd like to see him in our OF instead of... Old Man Conine

But do you think Dellucci's body is young enough?

[OnBaseMachine]

JB likes this kid. Says his stuff is top notch.

I agree with JB.

Burton looked great against the Yankees on Wednesday. His fastball was hitting 95-96 and throwing a nasty slider and what appeared to be more of a split-fingered changeup. He made Jeter and Giambi look bad.

[Matt700wlw]

I agree with JB.

Burton looked great against the Yankees on Wednesday. His fastball was hitting 95-96 and throwing a nasty slider and what appeared to be more of a split-fingered changeup. He made Jeter and Giambi look bad.

Also notes he's not afraid to pitch INSIDE.

That'd be a nice change for the Reds...

[rotnoid]

2004 was a very good year. 2005 was a notch below, but still very good. I can't remember which, but I believe Dunn played the last 2-4 weeks of one of those seasons with a broken hand (I wanna say it was 2005). 2006 was a disappointing year, no argument there.. I don't care about K's and average is of only marginal interest to me. Dunn also had over 100 walks in each of those years. I'm not sure how hitters draw walks without having plate discipline.


I'm not questioning his heart. (I think it was the 2005 season he played with the broken hand.) I think we can agree that neither of us is going to change the other's mind and that a good, if not great, year from Dunn is key to Reds' success. But, it seems more and more he's becoming walk or homer and that's it. How long did he go between sac flies? A guy in the heart of the order should be able to do the little things as well as hit the long ball (forgive me if I sound too much like Narron). For me, it's frustrating to think we could potentially be paying 13 million dollars next year for a sub-average defensive left fielder with an OPS less than .900.

[mth123]

I hope the Reds acquire Burton as the PTBNL in the Saarloos deal. Once the glut is out of the way, I think he can help the pen. Maybe the A's would take Bubba or Hopper with the Kostay injury.

[pahster]

I'm not questioning his heart. (I think it was the 2005 season he played with the broken hand.) I think we can agree that neither of us is going to change the other's mind and that a good, if not great, year from Dunn is key to Reds' success. But, it seems more and more he's becoming walk or homer and that's it. How long did he go between sac flies? A guy in the heart of the order should be able to do the little things as well as hit the long ball (forgive me if I sound too much like Narron). For me, it's frustrating to think we could potentially be paying 13 million dollars next year for a sub-average defensive left fielder with an OPS less than .900.

I mentioned the hand injury as a means of possibly explaining the slight drop in production, not to comment on his heart or desire. If Dunn repeats his 2006 performance this year I'll be disappointed because he will have become Carlos Lee.

[rotnoid]

I mentioned the hand injury as a means of possibly explaining the slight drop in production, not to comment on his heart or desire. If Dunn repeats his 2006 performance this year I'll be disappointed because he will have become Carlos Lee.

Ouch. I remember cringing when I heard people around town begging for Carlos Lee.

[rotnoid]

Guys, it's been fun, but the wife is calling and I have to convince two toddlers to take a nap. Go Reds!

[pedro]

I'm not questioning his heart. (I think it was the 2005 season he played with the broken hand.) I think we can agree that neither of us is going to change the other's mind and that a good, if not great, year from Dunn is key to Reds' success. But, it seems more and more he's becoming walk or homer and that's it. How long did he go between sac flies? A guy in the heart of the order should be able to do the little things as well as hit the long ball (forgive me if I sound too much like Narron). For me, it's frustrating to think we could potentially be paying 13 million dollars next year for a sub-average defensive left fielder with an OPS less than .900.


sac flies are a red herring.

[pahster]

Ouch. I remember cringing when I heard people around town begging for Carlos Lee.

I don't think he's bad, he's just gotten to the point where I'm not sure he's worth his salary because of both production and his age.

[NatiRedGals]

http://www.thegamelive.com/baseballmlb.html#cle

Scroll down to WTAM click it anyone who isnt able to listen to the game can listen there.. :)

[Matt700wlw]

Guys, it's been fun, but the wife is calling and I have to convince two toddlers to take a nap. Go Reds!

That won't be easy.

[NatiRedGals]

Bases Loaded for the Reds! Indians 3rd baseman made a good play! But the throw was in the dirt! 1 out !

[NatiRedGals]

Deno is up

[mth123]

Bases loaded. Not sure how Castro got on. Bubba doubled. Gil on Fielders choice everybody safe Deno up.

[pedro]

I don't think he's bad, he's just gotten to the point where I'm not sure he's worth his salary because of both production and his age.

I'm glad the reds didn't sign him to that contract.

[NatiRedGals]

Deno Struck out ! ... Bases loaded 2 outs now

[mth123]

Deno K's.

[Matt700wlw]

Denorfia strikes out on 3 pitches....


That won't help his cause.

[NatiRedGals]

2-0 count to Scott!

[NatiRedGals]

Scott grounds out... Inning over...

[mth123]

Reds leave the bases loaded.

[pahster]

I'm glad the reds didn't sign him to that contract.

Oh, I didn't want him. He didn't have anywhere to play. The last thing the Reds needed was an OF of Dunn - Griffey - Lee. That would have been some craptastic defense.

[Matt700wlw]

Saarloos to pitch

[reds44]

Deno K's.

He's gonna be in AAA.

[Wheelhouse]

Denorfia's last at bat= example of how a strikeout does more than "hurt your feelings"

[KoryMac5]

He's gonna be in AAA.

I think he has made Narron and Krivs decision pretty easy.

[mth123]

Oh, I didn't want him. He didn't have anywhere to play. The last thing the Reds needed was an OF of Dunn - Griffey - Lee. That would have been some craptastic defense.

Hopefully it won't be Dunn, Griffey and Conine with the same craptastic D and an out machine to boot.

[Falls City Beer]

Denorfia's last at bat= example of how a strikeout does more than "hurt your feelings"

Scott H.'s ground ball might have been a double play, had he been batting in Deno's slot.

[LincolnparkRed]

OSU up 29-28 at the half on Purdue for those that might be interested

[mth123]

Votto and Hopper in. The second half of the game might be a little less mind numbing.

[M2]

Denorfia's last at bat= example of how a strikeout does more than "hurt your feelings"

Would a popup or a DP grounder have made you feel better?

[mth123]

Saarloos gives up a run. A double and single in this inning. Delucci up.

[jojo]

Denorfia's last at bat= example of how a strikeout does more than "hurt your feelings"

but on average, it doesn't of course.....

[mth123]

Delucci FO to Hopper

[jojo]

Delucci FO to Hopper

I thought saarloos didn't give those up....

[mth123]

I thought saarloos didn't give those up....

You could be right. I'm having a hard time hearing right now. Did he come out?

[mth123]

Conine and Javy with hits. Hopper up.

[mth123]

Hopper FC. 1st and 3rd.

[pahster]

Hopper: First pitch swinging, grounder to SS. Sweet.

[mth123]

2Run double for Castro

[Tornon]

Castro doubles in 2! tie game

[Matt700wlw]

It's the Juan Castro show!

[pedro]

2Run double for Castro

and somewhere George Grande smiles.

[Matt700wlw]

Bubba

[mth123]

Conine, Javy and Castro with the rally for the Reds. Gotta love the vets.

Bubba doubles in Castro. 3-2 Reds.

[mth123]

Inning over. 3-2 Reds.

[mth123]

Bubba with 2 Doubles today while Deno not hitting much. I hope its a secret plan to attract teams to Bubba while the Reds hold on to Deno.

[pahster]

The savior Machado fields the grounder cleanly, 1 out.

[pahster]

The Reds have three shortstops on the infield right now (Janish, Machado, and Gil).

[mth123]

The savior Machado fields the grounder cleanly, 1 out.

Heard an interview with Votto this morning and he said Machado was the funniest guy on the team and implied that he was good in the clubhouse.

Votto seems like a good guy BTW.

[corkedbat]

It's early and I've got no great love for Crosby, but he's made a better case for himself then Deno has thus far. I'm not a huge Deno fan either for that matter though. I see his upside being that of a 4th/5th OFer or deal sweetener at most.

[mth123]

Deno up now in need of a hit.

[mth123]

Deno GO.

[mth123]

Votto Walks.

[Kc61]

Bubba with 2 Doubles today while Deno not hitting much. I hope its a secret plan to attract teams to Bubba while the Reds hold on to Deno.

I don't know. Deno is scrappy, as they say. He plays good outfield. He hits for average in the minors and possibly could do it in the majors. He has speed.

But he has no power. He isn't a versatile backup, like a Freel. He hits a lot of ground balls. He is a singles hitting, good defensive outfielder.

Do you think we get better off with this guy as a starting outfielder? Can you compare his ability with, say, a guy like Hamilton? And if you are looking for a backup, aren't Hopper and Crosby more in the mold of "off the bench" types. Hopper can get a hit right out of bed in the morning. Crosby has more experience, and seems to be very suitable to a fifth outfielder role.

I like to see young Reds farm hands make good. I do think Deno has major league ability. But I wonder if he is the "plus" talent the Reds want on the major league team.

[mth123]

Machado triple.

[corkedbat]

I don't know. Deno is scrappy, as they say. He plays good outfield. He hits for average in the minors and possibly could do it in the majors. He has speed.

But he has no power. He isn't a versatile backup, like a Freel. He hits a lot of ground balls. He is a singles hitting, good defensive outfielder.

Do you think we get better off with this guy as a starting outfielder? Can you compare his ability with, say, a guy like Hamilton? And if you are looking for a backup, aren't Hopper and Crosby more in the mold of "off the bench" types. Hopper can get a hit right out of bed in the morning. Crosby has more experience, and seems to be very suitable to a fifth outfielder role.

I like to see young Reds farm hands make good. I do think Deno has major league ability. But I wonder if he is the "plus" talent the Reds want on the major league team.

Agreed, KC61. If I'm WK and I can get a decent return at a poition of need on Deno right now, I'd make the deal.

[pedro]

That was a great play by cleveland's second baseman. he went all way over the SS side of the bag.

[mth123]

I don't know. Deno is scrappy, as they say. He plays good outfield. He hits for average in the minors and possibly could do it in the majors. He has speed.

But he has no power. He isn't a versatile backup, like a Freel. He hits a lot of ground balls. He is a singles hitting, good defensive outfielder.

Do you think we get better off with this guy as a starting outfielder? Can you compare his ability with, say, a guy like Hamilton? And if you are looking for a backup, aren't Hopper and Crosby more in the mold of "off the bench" types. Hopper can get a hit right out of bed in the morning. Crosby has more experience, and seems to be very suitable to a fifth outfielder role.

I like to see young Reds farm hands make good. I do think Deno has major league ability. But I wonder if he is the "plus" talent the Reds want on the major league team.

If Hamilton's for real he's a better option. But Deno had a slugging % of .505 and .484 the last two years at AAA. For a CF, that is better than many of the black holes manning CF in the big leagues (Juan Pierre, Wily Tavares, etc.). Deno has value if he plays and fulfills his projections. Hamilton would have more of course. Deno will never be Vernon Wells or Andruw Jones, but he could be a good starting caliber CF IMO.

Why not keep both Deno and Hamilton instead of messing with guys on the wrong side of 30 when the team won't really be able to contend for a couple years anyway?

[BubbaFan]

I don't think they'll trade Deno. They need guys who still have options left, because the likely starting outfield is old and/or injury-prone. They need guys they can call up and send down as needed. Especially if they want to carry three catchers.

[mth123]

Agreed, KC61. If I'm WK and I can get a decent return at a poition of need on Deno right now, I'd make the deal.

I don't think Deno is untouchable, but I think he's not got any buzz at all and wouldn't bring much back. After establishing himself, I think he would if it came to that.

[KronoRed]

Would a popup or a DP grounder have made you feel better?

A Dp would be better, it at least shows the batter is trying ;)

[Matt700wlw]

I'm liking Saarloos

[KronoRed]

I don't think Deno is untouchable, but I think he's not got any buzz at all and wouldn't bring much back. After establishing himself, I think he would if it came to that.

Freel is the one to deal, has buzz..would be a starter on 90% of the other teams, would bring the best return.

[mth123]

Freel is the one to deal, has buzz..would be a starter on 90% of the other teams, would bring the best return.

Agreed. Been saying it all winter.

[pedro]

Freel is the one to deal, has buzz..would be a starter on 90% of the other teams, would bring the best return.


That's how I feel too. Plus he makes more money and isn't as good an outfielder.

One things for sure, the Reds can't go with an OF with both Denorfia and Freel in it as they both have almost no pop (freel less than denorfia)

[pedro]

I'm liking Saarloos

he's certainly more appealing than Milton.

[Kc61]

Freel is the one to deal, has buzz..would be a starter on 90% of the other teams, would bring the best return.

If you are comparing Deno and Freel, I just think Freel is a more valuable ball player and, obviously, much more accomplished at this point.

The issue you raise does have merit because Freel is the type of player who won't last forever. He is injured often because of his body and style of play. When he slows down over time, he won't be nearly as effective -- offensively or defensively.

I don't think I'd trade Freel yet because, unless Hamilton proves to be a starter, the Reds need Freel for an outfield spot. But it may be worth considering while Ryan still has value in the not-too-distant future.

[pedro]

I'm looking forward to seeing Dumatrait pitch for the first time. Here it goes.

[mth123]

That's how I feel too. Plus he makes more money and isn't as good an outfielder.

One things for sure, the Reds can't go with an OF with both Denorfia and Freel in it as they both have almost no pop (freel less than denorfia)

Yep. And having Hamilton around when Dunn or Griffey sit sure makes the middle of the line-up look better than Deno, Freel, Hopper or Crosby as the substitute.

[pedro]

Nice acrobatic play by machado on a bad throw by Dumatrait on a F/C.

[OnBaseMachine]

Reds won 5-2.

Coutlangus threw a 1-2-3 9th.

Saarloos received the win with one run allowed in 3 IP.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2007_03_10_cinmlb_clemlb_1

[jojo]

If Hamilton's for real he's a better option.

I edited that for ya... :cool:

[TheBurn]

Just saw the box score.

Was Wilson that good? :eek:

[jojo]

Just saw the box score.

Was Wilson that good? :eek:

I don't really think so.... if you believe the gun, he topped out at 85mph....

[membengal]

Frankly, I think it was a plot by Cleveland to sucker the Reds into making him the 5th starter...darn sneaky, when you step back to consider it.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Deno really hasn't had a very good Spring thus far. I didn't really realize it till I saw the .167 in the box score

[MartyFan]

I just read this from MLB.com


Reds at the plate: After a slow start, the Reds erupted in the middle innings. Juan Castro got them on the board with his two-run double in the sixth, and Bubba Crosby followed it up with an RBI double of his own. In the seventh, Anderson Machado drove in a run with a triple, and Chad Moeller knocked him in with a ground-rule double to left-center field.

If I was the pitcher who gave up the runs to these batters I would seriously have to think about applying for a job at Circuit City or Dairy Queen.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

on a bizarre note..if you look at mth123's avatar cross eyed it looks like a hot fudge cake

[Falls City Beer]

on a bizarre note..if you look at mth123's avatar cross eyed it looks like a hot fudge cake

Post of the thread. Hilarious.

[mth123]

on a bizarre note..if you look at mth123's avatar cross eyed it looks like a hot fudge cake

Mmm. Cake.