3/22 Game thread vs. The Empire

[IamWallaman]

Freel CF
Hatteberg 1B
Phillips 2B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Hamilton RF
Ross C
Janish SS
Lohse P

Pavano is pitching for the Yanks.


Pretty nice lineup today.

I wonder if Janish will force a AGon trade in the next year?

[cincy09]

Yankee Lineup:


Melky Cabrera CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jason Giambi 1B
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Kevin Reese LF
Carl Pavano P

[redsfan30]

I wonder if Janish will force a AGon trade in the next year?

No.

[BRM]

I thought Janish was reassigned to minor league camp?

[IamWallaman]

No.

I was thinking more along the lines of "before his contract is up".

I'm going to be paying much more attention to him this year.

[membengal]

I thought Janish was reassigned to minor league camp?

He was, but easy to bring those guys over to fill in when needed for big league games.

[coachw513]

I thought Janish was reassigned to minor league camp?

Yes he was, but minor league guys still play in some games/make some road trips...

Janish will start the year in Chatanooga, I'm assuming...he's promising, but I don't think Gonzalez is keeping the seat warm just yet...


Yankee Lineup:
Melky Cabrera CF
Derek Jeter SS
Bobby Abreu RF
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Jason Giambi 1B
Jorge Posada C
Robinson Cano 2B
Kevin Reese LF
Carl Pavano P

Oh, pretty good lineup for those guys too :rolleyes:

[BRM]

Lohse definitely has his work cut out for him today.

[Joseph]

Lohse definitely has his work cut out for him today.

Now we'll see what he's made of a little bit more than facing say the Pirates. [Not sure he has faced them, just using them as an example]

[IamWallaman]

Now we'll see what he's made of a little bit more than facing say the Pirates. [Not sure he has faced them, just using them as an example]

He already cut through a potent BoSox lineup with only 3 hits in 5ip. Hopefully, he can replicate that.

[membengal]

Exactly, that was a line-up against Boston last Saturday that had Ortiz, Ramirez and some of their other big sticks. His perforance was nothing to sneeze at.

[indy_dave00]

Considering Paul Janish turns 25 in October and will most likely spend the season in AA , I really don't see him as the future Reds everyday shortstop. His future in the majors (if he has one) will most likely be as a utility man.

[cincy09]

Lineup change from Trent:


We've got a lineup change for the Redlegs that will be reflected above, but described here: Hatteberg scratched with a groin injury. Hamilton will move to second in the order and Javier Valentin will play at first and bat sixth.

[cincy09]

New Lineup:


Freel CF
Hamilton RF
Phillips 2B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Valentin 1B
Ross C
Janish SS
Lohse P

[guttle11]

FSN Ohio today, right?

[rotnoid]

Considering Paul Janish turns 25 in October and will most likely spend the season in AA , I really don't see him as the future Reds everyday shortstop. His future in the majors (if he has one) will most likely be as a utility man.


Good point, especially if Valeika continues to develop as he has.

[Reds Fanatic]

FSN Ohio today, right?Yes it is on FSN Ohio.

[jesusfan]

My FSN Ohio is scrambled or something... I Have no idea why and I'm very mad!

[Doc. Scott]

Considering Paul Janish turns 25 in October and will most likely spend the season in AA , I really don't see him as the future Reds everyday shortstop. His future in the majors (if he has one) will most likely be as a utility man.

Agreed. He could also pitch in blowouts.

I suppose it's possible that he could have an offensive 'splosion this season and play his way into the starting picture, but that's a longshot. If he were that highly regarded by the organization, they would have signed more of a stopgap SS and not multiple years of Alex Gonzalez.

[Doc. Scott]

Good point, especially if Valeika continues to develop as he has.

From Baseball Prospectus:

-Don't Believe The Hype: Shortstop Chris Valaika had a stunning debut last summer, earning Pioneer League MVP honors with a .324/.387/.520 line and putting together a league record 32-game hitting streak. He'll be bumped up to High A this year, and needs to show a more patient approach, and more importantly reverse some of the scouting reports that project an eventual move to second base.
---

I personally have no problem with a future second baseman who can hit a little, but I think BP was just reacting to Valaika's surprise capturing of the league MVP, etc. The other neat thing about Chris is that he's a bit younger than your average '06 college draftee (such as Parker, Stubbs, Dorn, or Turner), not turning 22 until August of this year. Those other four guys will all be 23 by the end of the '07 calendar year.

[flyer85]

I thought Janish was reassigned to minor league camp?he was. Doesn't mean they can't play him in games.

[jesusfan]

Reds season preview on before the game at 12:30 today too... I missed it the other night...

[rotnoid]

Thanks for the info on Valaika, Doc.

[robmadden1]

I am suprised to see Valentin at 1B when he is a catcher.

[BRM]

I am suprised to see Valentin at 1B when he is a catcher.

He's logged a little bit of time at 1B over the last few years but not much.

[robmadden1]

Yes I realize that but why is Conine not at first.

[BRM]

Yes I realize that but why is Conine not at first.

I don't know. Maybe his young body needs a rest.

[rotnoid]

I don't know. Maybe his young body needs a rest.


Don't want to wear him out before, in the words of Sam Adams, "the bullets start flyin'."

[Doc. Scott]

I am suprised to see Valentin at 1B when he is a catcher.

He plays 1B in the winter leagues on his brother Jose's team all the time. He's also filled in from time to time for the Reds, especially when Dave Miley was managing.

[robmadden1]

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[GSURedsfan]

I'll do the PBP, I'm done with class for the day....

Brent

[Doc. Scott]

Wow, Pavano's pitching. Too bad his thing with Alyssa Milano's over.

According to Wikipedia, however, he's now linked with a Maxim magazine chick.

http://www.maximonline.com/hotties/weekly_winners_profile_2007.aspx?id=17199&week=1&src=maxim_ed

[IamWallaman]

More... more... more...

Would they PLEASE change their slogan?! For my sanity and others? :bang:

On the other hand, good to see the Reds again. :D

[jesusfan]

Cabrera grounds to Phillips on 3-2 count... 1 down

[GSURedsfan]

Phillips gets Melky at first....one down

[jesusfan]

Jeter singles to right...

[GSURedsfan]

Jeter singles through the right side, one on, one out

[jesusfan]

3-2 coming to Abreu... that 2-2 was close

[jesusfan]

Abreu flies to Dunner.. 2 down

[jesusfan]

A-Rod flies to Dunner... mid 1st zip zip...

[BRM]

Did anyone get to hear any pre-game interviews?

[GSURedsfan]

A-Rod Flies out to Dunn, Top 1 over

[jesusfan]

It's unreal how much better I feel about Lohse on the hill compared to Milty...

[robmadden1]

We only need one person doing PBP.

[jesusfan]

Pre-game interviews we're pretty much the same as the season preview... Simply re-iterating the fact that depth is what the Red's have this year in the pitching and postion department they never had in years...

[jesusfan]

Freel singles up the middle...

[BRM]

So did Marty ask Narron the big question? Milton as the #5?

[GSURedsfan]

Somebody tell me to stop doing PBP and I will

[rotnoid]

Decent start for Lohse. Let's hope he can keep it up.

[jesusfan]

The Natural punches a single to left... WOW, that was beautiful!

[membengal]

Yes he did, and I understood Narron's answer to be along these lines:

"We've talked about it, but the 5th starter may be needed for bullpen help and Milton is not ideal for that."

[GSURedsfan]

Freel and Hamilton single....no outs

[Doc. Scott]

Hatteberg was scratched from the lineup and Hamilton batted second in his place. I think John Fay said Scott had some sort of minor injury.

[membengal]

Which, frankly, was as annoying as it gets. Why not plan for your top four pitchers being decent? Why plan for one of them to be the execrable Milton, and hold back Belisle or Saarloos to clean up his mess? Why not play for, I don't know, NO MESS?

[BRM]

Yes he did, and I understood Narron's answer to be along these lines:

"We've talked about it, but the 5th starter may be needed for bullpen help and Milton is not ideal for that."

Big surprise. So the real answer is this: "We are paying Eric Milton an awful lot of money so he'll take the mound every fifth day come hell or high water."

[GSURedsfan]

Hatteberg was scratched from the lineup and Hamilton batted second in his place. I think John Fay said Scott had some sort of minor injury.

Slight Groin Injury

[cumberlandreds]

Freel and Hamilton single....no outs

Thanks for the PBP. I would rather two or three do it than no one. :)

[Matt700wlw]

Another hit.

Bases loaded!

[jesusfan]

BP Grounds sharply to Jeter who dove but couldn't make the play, infield single... Bases jacked for Dunner...

[membengal]

Hatteberg was scratched from the lineup and Hamilton batted second in his place. I think John Fay said Scott had some sort of minor injury.


So that was Hamilton that singled after Freel?

[GSURedsfan]

Bases Loaded, Still no outs....ball deflects offJeter's glove

[jesusfan]

Dunner just went for it there...

[BRM]

Yes he did, and I understood Narron's answer to be along these lines:

"We've talked about it, but the 5th starter may be needed for bullpen help and Milton is not ideal for that."

Well, he isn't ideal for the rotation either.

[Doc. Scott]

So that was Hamilton that singled after Freel?

Yes.

[GSURedsfan]

So that was Hamilton that singled after Freel?

Correct

[Matt700wlw]

Marty giving more credit to Dunn for his approach at the plate this spring.

[jesusfan]

Dunn flies to shallow right... Bases still loaded, 1 down

[GSURedsfan]

Dunn Flairs out toRight, one down, EdE batting

[BRM]

Marty giving more credit to Dunn for his approach at the plate this spring.

I'm sure that will change the first time Dunn K's with a runner at third and no outs.

[Matt700wlw]

On a side note, Eric Milton, who is scheduled to start Monday (I believe) will NOT make his start....


If this is already known, I missed it.

[GSURedsfan]

EdE grounds into DP 6-4-3....Inning over, no score

[BRM]

On a side note, Eric Milton, who is scheduled to start Monday (I believe) will NOT make his start....


If this is already known, I missed it.

Was a reason given?

[rotnoid]

I'm sure that will change the first time Dunn K's with a runner at third and no outs.

This would have been a perfect chance for Marty to bring up Dunn's inability to hit the sac fly. If he didn't maybe his opinion really is changing.

[Team Clark]

On a side note, Eric Milton, who is scheduled to start Monday (I believe) will NOT make his start....


I know nothing more at the moment.

Maybe because he'll be in Peoria, Arizona enjoying his new teammates.

[rotnoid]

Was a reason given?


Pity.

[Chip R]

Dunn flies to shallow right... Bases still loaded, 1 down


See, he tried to hit a sac fly there. ;)

[Team Clark]

Pity.

:laugh:

[GSURedsfan]

Dunn's swing looks good, just didn't get all of it

[Matt700wlw]

Was a reason given?

If there was, I missed it.

I'm a big help, today. :D

[BRM]

Maybe because he'll be in Peoria, Arizona enjoying his new teammates.

Don't tease us like that TC!!

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe because he'll be in Peoria, Arizona enjoying his new teammates.

Do you know something? You've been known to have dirt like I sometimes do.

[coachw513]

On a side note, Eric Milton, who is scheduled to start Monday (I believe) will NOT make his start....


If this is already known, I missed it.

sniff...sniff...

Do I smell a DL stint to strengthen his knee?? :KoolAid:

[GSURedsfan]

Fly to Freel in Center, one down

[Handofdeath]

This was a big part of the Reds problem last year. Bases loaded and no outs but then no one winds up scoring. This has got to change.

[GSURedsfan]

Posada Batting

[Matt700wlw]

3 way booth today.

JB's on TV now, Thom and Marty on radio.

[BRM]

This was a big part of the Reds problem last year. Bases loaded and no outs but then no one winds up scoring. This has got to change.

It was EE's fault. He should have struck out. :evil:

[GSURedsfan]

Posada flies to Freel. two down

[GSURedsfan]

Cano batting

[GSURedsfan]

Cano singles past Phillips to Center, Reese batting.

[rotnoid]

Cano singles past Phillips to Center, Reese batting.


Pokey or PeeWee? ;)

[GSURedsfan]

Lohse wild pitch.....Cano to second, Pavano on deck

[GSURedsfan]

Pokey or PeeWee? ;)

Kevin

[coachw513]

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this is very, very cool :thumbup: :beerme:

[HalMorrisRules]

Maybe because he'll be in Peoria, Arizona enjoying his new teammates.

I couldnt help myself. I googled to see who trains in Peoria, Arizona. If your answer was Seattle Mariners, you are a winner!!

[GSURedsfan]

I'm confused on what the hell just happened

[robmadden1]

I am not telliing anyone to stop PBP but I just think its silly to have the same plays said by 2 diffrent ppl.

[GSURedsfan]

Pavano K's inning over.....Evils 1 Redlegs 0

[BRM]

I must have missed something here. How did the Yanks score?

[jesusfan]

Janish allowed a run to score by throwing the ball 15 feet over Javy's head...

[Chip R]

Janish allowed a run to score by throwing the ball 15 feet over Javy's head...


Like it's difficult to throw a ball over Javy's head.

[GSURedsfan]

I must have missed something here. How did the Yanks score?

Janish airmailed a throw over Valentin's head.....Cano scored from second

[jesusfan]

Wow... who cares who does pbp, I'll stop then... I don't think I have ever got into an argument about who does pbp on this board...

[BRM]

Janish allowed a run to score by throwing the ball 15 feet over Javy's head...

Glad it wasn't EE who threw it away.

[KronoRed]

Wonder what happened to Pokey Reese? I mean if Juan Castro can still find a job you would think Reese could.

[jesusfan]

Like it's difficult to throw a ball over Javy's head.

Well, it's difficult to throw a ball 15 feet over anyone's head.. Put it this way, Manute Bol wouldn't have had a chance at it...

[paintmered]

I am not telliing anyone to stop PBP but I just think its silly to have the same plays said by 2 diffrent ppl.

It is. It also makes it difficult to follow.

I don't care who does PBP (you all do a fine job), but please limit it to a single poster. :)

[BRM]

Like it's difficult to throw a ball over Javy's head.

:laugh:
No kidding. What is Javy? 5'9"?

[rotnoid]

Wonder what happened to Pokey Reese? I mean if Juan Castro can still find a job you would think Reese could.

He could probably use the work with all those kids.

[GSURedsfan]

Ross batting

[Chip R]

Wonder what happened to Pokey Reese? I mean if Juan Castro can still find a job you would think Reese could.


I think Pokey has a job.

http://www.project-mcdonalds.de/media/mcdonalds.jpg

[BRM]

Wonder what happened to Pokey Reese? I mean if Juan Castro can still find a job you would think Reese could.

Good point. And Reese is even a better defender.

[rotnoid]

It is. It also makes it difficult to follow.

I don't care who does PBP, but please limit it to a single poster. :)

Rock, paper, scissors best 2 out of 3? Or spoon fight?

[redsfan30]

TC,

What's this about Milton enjoying his new teammates in Peoria? Just humor, or do you know something???

Don't leave us hanging....

[jesusfan]

I would say what Ross did but I'm scared...

[Matt700wlw]

I think Pokey has a job.

http://www.project-mcdonalds.de/media/mcdonalds.jpg

Him and Corey Dillon...

[GSURedsfan]

Ross singles, one down, Janish batting

[BRM]

TC,

What's this about Milton enjoying his new teammates in Peoria? Just humor, or do you know something???

Don't leave us hanging....

He did seem to post that little tidbit and run didn't he? ;)

[jesusfan]

Janish trying to bunt Ross over for Lohse I guess. lol

[paintmered]

Rock, paper, scissors best 2 out of 3? Or spoon fight?

Whoever claims it first gets PBP rights. If you have to leave, just let the thread know so that someone else can keep it going.

[Matt700wlw]

He did seem to post that little tidbit and run didn't he? ;)

I've done that :D

[jesusfan]

Rock

[BRM]

Is Janish still up?

[Heath]

Rock

Chalk Jayhawk??? I hope they get "dogged".

[paintmered]

Rock

Good enough. You're it. :thumbup:

[jesusfan]

Red's strand 4 thru 2...

[BRM]

I take it Janish and Lohse didn't get it done.

[GSURedsfan]

Janish grounded out, sorry for the delay, I had a phone call.....UPDATE....Whoever was just batting was thrown out at first by Pavano

[redsfan30]

TC???

Pretty please???

[BRM]

TC???

Pretty please???

He's in hiding now. :laugh:

[GSURedsfan]

Side note, I never realized how horrid these new BP caps are until now

[GSURedsfan]

Cabrera batting

[Redsland]

Wonder what happened to Pokey Reese?
He disappeared from Florida Marlins camp last year and was released. A week or two later, his agent announced that Pokey had retired. He's apparently living back home in South Carolina.

[Az. Reds Fan]

FYI, The Padres also train in Peoria

[KronoRed]

He disappeared from Florida Marlins camp last year and was released. A week or two later, his agent announced that Pokey had retired. He's apparently living back home in South Carolina.

Ahh thanks Redsland, all I could find in google was that the Marlins had dumped him, nothing more

[jesusfan]

Lohse walks Cabrera...

[rotnoid]

FYI, The Padres also train in Peoria

Linebrink anyone?

[jesusfan]

Pad's and Mariners right...

[GSURedsfan]

Lohse walks Cabrera after being ahead 1-2 in the count, Jeter batting

[Patrick Bateman]

Linebrink anyone?

The Padres reportedly wouldn't take Kearns for Linebrink. Based on that, I'm guessing Milton would fall well short of their expectations.

[jesusfan]

Who won the rock, paper, scissors match??

[paintmered]

Who won the rock, paper, scissors match??

You did.

[redsfan30]

Send 100% of what he's due this year to anyone who's willing to take him....just get him off this team...PLEASE!

A trade of Eric Milton would be cause for mass celebration on these boards!

[jesusfan]

OMG... That was right down the middle... WOW... called ball 3

[rotnoid]

The Padres reportedly wouldn't take Kearns for Linebrink. Based on that, I'm guessing Milton would fall well short of their expectations.

I just figured as long as we're speculating, we might as well have fun. Linebrink could certainly fill the hole at the back of the pen though.

[jesusfan]

Jeter walks... 1st and 2nd no outs..

[paintmered]

OMG... That was right down the middle... WOW... called ball 3

Well, it is Derek Jeter. :rolleyes:

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse showing his inconsistancies.....again.

[GSURedsfan]

Lohse walks Jeter, 2 on, nobody out

[jesusfan]

Abreu drills a HR to right... 4-0 Yanks..

[Matt700wlw]

Oh, Milto...I mean, Lohse...

[BRM]

Lohse showing his inconsistancies.....again.

Is it possible to be consistently inconsistent?

[GSURedsfan]

Homerun Abreu, 4-0 Evils

[jesusfan]

Thom is simply embarrasing Grande and Welsh with his announcing abilities.. lol

Lohse K's A-Rod...

[Wheelhouse]

Lohse is getting badly squeezed by the ump. Abreu pitch was not bad and barely left the park.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty - "Harang and Arroyo are outstanding, but after that they have some rotation problems."

Jeff - "They do if they stay with the guys their going with right now."

Marty - "and they will."

[Matt700wlw]

Is it possible to be consistently inconsistent?

I would say so

[BRM]

And just think, we get to see Lohse and Milton in the same rotation. Probably on back to back days. :help:

[Patrick Bateman]

I just figured as long as we're speculating, we might as well have fun. Linebrink could certainly fill the hole at the back of the pen though.

Very true. It's just not very realistic. We would be lucky to find someone willing to eat a third of his salary.

[edabbs44]

Abreu drills a HR to right... 4-0 Yanks..

Not shocking by any stretch.

At least Wayne acquired 500 relievers this offseason. He should have traded for some long relievers.

[GSURedsfan]

0-2 count on Giambi

[BRM]

Marty - "Harang and Arroyo are outstanding, but after that they have some rotation problems."

Jeff - "They do if they stay with the guys their going with right now."

Marty - "and they will."

Nice.

[Patrick Bateman]

Not shocking by any stretch.

At least Wayne acquired 500 relievers this offseason. He should have traded for some long relievers.

Whichever of Saarloos or Belisle doesn't make the rotation will make a fine long reliever. They aren't exactly hard to find.

[jesusfan]

I really feel like Lohse will be fine... Milton, on the other hand I'm not so optimistic!

Lohse K's Giambi...

[rotnoid]

Very true. It's just not very realistic. We would be lucky to find someone willing to eat a third of his salary.
If we could find somebody to take him AND 9 million for a box of balls, we should jump.

[GSURedsfan]

Lohse K's Giambi....2 down

[jesusfan]

Pop-out to Edwin ends the inning.. Nice bounceback by Lohse... 4-0 Yanks

[BRM]

I really feel like Lohse will be fine... Milton, on the other hand I'm not so optimistic!

Lohse K's Giambi...

Oh, he'll be fine on some days. And he'll be horrible on others. Inconsistent is his middle name.

[GSURedsfan]

Posada Batting....Posada pops out

[Matt700wlw]

Uncle Milty and Nephew Lohse

[Patrick Bateman]

And just think, we get to see Lohse and Milton in the same rotation. Probably on back to back days. :help:

Lohse should be fine IMO. Definitely worth a rotation spot. He was very solid as a Red last season. I think he can put up an ERA in the 4.20 range which would give us a very nice top 3. It's the last 2 spots that I'm worried about (more Milton than anything).

[HalMorrisRules]

Oh, he'll be fine on some days. And he'll be horrible on others. Inconsistent is his middle name.

Actually its Matthew. :D

[GSURedsfan]

Freel batting

[cumberlandreds]

Uncle Milty and Nephew Lohse

:laugh: Good one! I kinda equate the two of them also. I don't have much more hope that Lohse will help us than Milton will.

[GSURedsfan]

Freel grounds out to A-Rod, one down, the Natural batting

[BRM]

Lohse should be fine IMO. Definitely worth a rotation spot. He was very solid as a Red last season. I think he can put up an ERA in the 4.20 range which would give us a very nice top 3. It's the last 2 spots that I'm worried about (more Milton than anything).

He was better than average last year with the Reds. I'll give him that.

[jesusfan]

The Natural just looks like a baseball player in every essence...

[jesusfan]

The Natural walks...

[Falls City Beer]

He was better than average last year with the Reds. I'll give him that.

Only slightly better than average. And the sample isn't really big.

[GSURedsfan]

The Natural Walks..... one on, one down

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh: Good one! I kinda equate the two of them also. I don't have much more hope that Lohse will help us than Milton will.

I have a little more for Loshe...mostly because he's still rather young I think, and may be able to be fixed. He also has better stuff.


Milton on the other hand.....can't see much hope for him.

[jesusfan]

BP hits one about 600 feet up in the air into the 30 mph wind... 2 down

[paintmered]

BP with the one-pitch AB.

[GSURedsfan]

Phillips flies out to left....2 down

[Doc. Scott]

Hobbs' second at-bat: Ball one, foul, slider inside- ball two, ball three, ball four.

It's amazing, this guy's plate discipline. It was his demonstrated weakness when he was first drafted. You wouldn't have expected him to suddenly learn to work the count like that, given what he's been up to before this year.

[Doc. Scott]

BP with the one-pitch AB.

Brantley said he hit it right on the fat part of the bat, but it was held up by the wind. What bothers me and many others is when players hack at the first pitch and don't make solid contact.

[jesusfan]

Dunn pops to Jeter... Dunn's ball goes about 100 feet in the air and Grande says "Dunn got under it a bit."

[GSURedsfan]

Dunn pops out to Jeter

[edabbs44]

Lohse should be fine IMO. Definitely worth a rotation spot. He was very solid as a Red last season. I think he can put up an ERA in the 4.20 range which would give us a very nice top 3. It's the last 2 spots that I'm worried about (more Milton than anything).

There's a 50/50 chance of Lohse pitching well this season. And there's only a 10% chance of that.

[jesusfan]

Krivsky on with Grande now...

Cano doubles to left...

[BRM]

Only slightly better than average. And the sample isn't really big.

Hey, I was just trying to find something positive about the guy. I honestly don't expect much from him this season. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

[Patrick Bateman]

Only slightly better than average. And the sample isn't really big.

You are correct that it was a very small sample size, but if he can replicate his stats as a Red to a full season, he may be able to post a sub 4.00 ERA. His K:BB was very nice, and he limited the HRs. Now that was the best he has ever pitched in his career, so I expect him to regress a bit, but he should be at worst an average starter IMO.

[Matt700wlw]

Someone give us an update on what the KrivDog is saying on TV...if anything

[GSURedsfan]

Posada doubles, no outs

[jesusfan]

Krivsky says he has no idea if this years team is better than last years and we have a long list of nagging injuries...

[paintmered]

George: "How much better do you [Krivsky] think this team is than last year?"

Wayne: "I don't know."

[Patrick Bateman]

There's a 50/50 chance of Lohse pitching well this season. And there's only a 10% chance of that.

Any rationale behind those numbers?

[jesusfan]

Krivsky "Gonzo gives us a great presence up the middle... and Kyle Lohse is very capable of pitching well, he tried to get to fine last inning...

[GSURedsfan]

Scratch that, thats Cano at second, not Posada, Brantley goofed.....this guy is pathetic

[Strikes Out Looking]

Has George Grande asked this yet? "Any chance you'll make a move for Jim Edmonds?"

[jesusfan]

Harang, Arroyo, Lohse 1-2-3... where is Milton? Kriv- Number one when he pitches I don't get into the 1-2-3-4-5 starter...

[jesusfan]

Lohse K's Reese... K #4...

[paintmered]

Has George Grande asked this yet? "Any chance you'll make a move for Jim Edmonds?"

Not audibly. But I think George and Wayne passed some notes.

[jesusfan]

Pavano bunts to Lohse... 2 down, Cano to third...

[Matt700wlw]

Kyle Lohse looks clueless out there today

[BRM]

You are correct that it was a very small sample size, but if he can replicate his stats as a Red to a full season, he may be able to post a sub 4.00 ERA. His K:BB was very nice, and he limited the HRs. Now that was the best he has ever pitched in his career, so I expect him to regress a bit, but he should be at worst an average starter IMO.

And yet his ERA was 4.57 and his WHIP pushed 1.5. I'd say he's likely to be average at best.

[jesusfan]

What has Dustin Hermanson shown you? Kriv- Alot of guts, stuff wise he knows what it takes to get people out, he keeps the ball down with a nice assortment of pitches.. He's not afraid...

[Matt700wlw]

This looks like last year.

Mercifully, this is only spring.

[BRM]

What has Dustin Hermanson shown you? Kriv- Alot of guts, stuff wise he knows what it takes to get people out, he keeps the ball down with a nice assortment of pitches.. He's not afraid...

He knows what it takes, he just doesn't possess it anymore.

[paintmered]

Encarnacion made a nice pick there.

[Matt700wlw]

JB wonders if Lohse's concentration goes in and out when he's on the mound. If so...that's not good

[BCubb2003]

"Stuffwise, he knows what it takes ..."

That may be a more telling answer than Krivsky realizes.

[jesusfan]

Coutlangus has shown us something this spring" - Kriv

[jesusfan]

Abreu grounds to BP... 5-0 Yanks

[Patrick Bateman]

And yet his ERA was 4.57 and his WHIP pushed 1.5. I'd say he's likely to be average at best.

He also had a .342 BAPIP last season. That's not likely to continue as he has basically no control over it.

If he maintains his solid K:BB and decent HR numbers, that ERA is almost guaranteed to come down. Obviously, there is a small sample size here, so it's hard to put a lot of weight on last year's numbers only, but he was much, much better than the stats indicate.

[BRM]

Like I said, I'll be happy if he can be league average this year. I wouldn't bet on it but I'll be happy with it if he can pull it off.

[Strikes Out Looking]

JB wonders if Lohse's concentration goes in and out when he's on the mound. If so...that's not good

Easily corrected with some ritalin.

[Doc. Scott]

What has Dustin Hermanson shown you? Kriv- Alot of guts, stuff wise he knows what it takes to get people out, he keeps the ball down with a nice assortment of pitches.. He's not afraid...

Right, because those relievers under their mid-thirties are constantly having their knees knocking when they enter the game in the ninth inning with nobody on base.

Big-league teams are constantly viewing the closer's role like a catch-22: you can't close without being proven, and you can't prove without closing.

[jesusfan]

Kriv- Griffey is day to day... DUH more like month to month

[edabbs44]

Any rationale behind those numbers?

I'm a big "Naked Gun" fan?

[paintmered]

Griffey is day to day

Aren't we all?

[jesusfan]

Edwin K's.. 1 down

[Patrick Bateman]

Like I said, I'll be happy if he can be league average this year. I wouldn't bet on it but I'll be happy with it if he can pull it off.

That's fine, I can see the other side of the Lohse argument. I do like the fact that his best pitching in his entire career has come recently. That's a pretty good indication that he may have turned the corner.

[jesusfan]

Javy Walks! Get Excited! lol

[Doc. Scott]

I'm a big "Naked Gun" fan?

And hopefully Lohse doesn't end up at Our Lady of the Worthless Miracle.

[jesusfan]

Ross singles to left.. 2 on, 1 out...

Kriv- Ross can do better than last year not only duplicate it...

[paintmered]

Ross is quietly having a good day at the plate.

[jesusfan]

I don't really care too much for this Janish cat...

[BRM]

That's fine, I can see the other side of the Lohse argument. I do like the fact that his best pitching in his entire career has come recently. That's a pretty good indication that he may have turned the corner.

He was good in 2005. He stunk last year in Minnesota but pitched better with the Reds. We can only hope he's "turned the corner". The Reds really need him to step up and be a solid contributor in the rotation.

[edabbs44]

It will be amazing, when it's all said and done, to see how much useless money has been spent on the '07 edition of the Reds. Between Griffey, Lohse, Milton, Stanton, Moeller, Gonzalez, Hatteberg, Conine, Cormier and Weathers, it is quite embarassing.

Now some of those guys might have a little value, but there are people who could easily take their places that might get sent to the minors or traded to make room who are much cheaper.

[Matt700wlw]

Paul Janish looks 12

[paintmered]

That was the longest single in baseball history.

[jesusfan]

Janish hits one high into right field off the base of the wall for a single...bases jacked... 1 down

[Matt700wlw]

That's some bad base running...nobody scored.

[jesusfan]

Why not PH for Lohse... 4 innings is good enough...

[jesusfan]

That's some bad base running...nobody scored.

It really should have been caught...

[jesusfan]

Nevermind, leave Lohse in... Single to drive in 2... 5-2 Yanks...

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse...slap hitter specialist!

:D

[paintmered]

Good lord, Loshe just singled home 2. If he hits that anywhere else, it's an inning-ending double play.

We'll take it.

[jesusfan]

Kriv- You want to take the best team North but options come into play and that type of thing, most of our players have options left... uh oh... Cormier stays, bye bye Belisle/Saarloos

[Doc. Scott]

That's fine, I can see the other side of the Lohse argument. I do like the fact that his best pitching in his entire career has come recently. That's a pretty good indication that he may have turned the corner.

Yeah, but the first half of last year was some of the worst pitching in his entire career. He is at least entering the typical peak period age-wise.

The thing is that he's worked so many innings as a youngster, throwing 171, 165, 167, 175, 181, 201, 194, and 179 innings at ages 19 through 26. That is a heck of a lot. I wonder if the Ryan Dempster (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/D/Ryan-Dempster.shtml) career path isn't in his future, actually.

[jesusfan]

Ron Guidry will trot out to talk to Pavano....

[paintmered]

The double-play karma just caught up with the Reds.

[jesusfan]

Freel with a 4-6-3 DP, we hit into a whole heck of alot of Double Plays... Thank You Lohse for your RBI's...

[edabbs44]

Kriv- You want to take the best team North but options come into play and that type of thing, most of our players have options left... uh oh... Cormier stays, bye bye Belisle/Saarloos

Cormier's spot on the team was locked in when WK signed him to that brilliant contract extension.

[Doc. Scott]

Kriv- You want to take the best team North but options come into play and that type of thing, most of our players have options left... uh oh... Cormier stays, bye bye Belisle/Saarloos

Saarloos isn't going anywhere. Bye to Belisle, yeah. He "needs to pitch every fifth day", most likely.

At this point Burton is the only pitcher whose destiny I really wonder about.

[BRM]

Freel with a 4-6-3 DP, we hit into a whole heck of alot of Double Plays... Thank You Lohse for your RBI's...

Making contact is better than striking out. I know I read that somewhere. ;)

[ochoa30]

Spring training or not freel has to know not to swing 2-0 there, he has no power so there isnt much upside.

[paintmered]

I was really hoping we wouldn't have to suffer through another season of those "more, more, more...." JTM commercials.

:bang:

[Patrick Bateman]

Yeah, but the first half of last year was some of the worst pitching in his entire career. He is at least entering the typical peak period age-wise.


He wasn't great last year with the Twins, but he was big time unlucky, and that was just as small as a sample as his Reds pitching. Overall, he was above average DIPS wise while playing in httiers parks all year.