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IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 10:10 AM
CF Freel
LF Dunn
2B Phillips
RF Griffey
3B Encarnacion
1B Hatteberg
SS Gonzalez
C Ross
P Livingston

Here's your OD lineup folks... (Replace Livingston with Harang obviously)

paintmered
03-26-2007, 10:15 AM
Dice-K? :confused:

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 10:20 AM
Dice-K? :confused:

Daisuke Matsuzaka

Pitching for the BoSox today.


You can add a tag if you want... but ESPN has told us the game is all about him anyways.

Reds Fanatic
03-26-2007, 10:23 AM
Just a reminder today's game is on FSN and is also in HD on ESPNHD. I am not sure but ESPN might be blacked out locally because it is also on FSN.

paintmered
03-26-2007, 10:23 AM
Daisuke Matsuzaka

Pitching for the BoSox today.


You can add a tag if you want... but ESPN has told us the game is all about him anyways.

Good lord, who came up with that nickname? Me thinks ESPN's fingerprints are all over that one. :rolleyes:

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 10:25 AM
Good lord, who came up with that nickname? Me thinks ESPN's fingerprints are all over that one. :rolleyes:

You think? :rolleyes:

Here's to hoping we deliver a vicious battering to ESPN's idol today. :thumbup:

Reds Fanatic
03-26-2007, 10:28 AM
This is from C. Trent's blog. With Matsuzaka pitching today they had to give out 200 media credentials to a spring training game.


Big day at the old ballpark today. There's a huge media crush expected with about 75 reporters in the Red Sox traveling party, including a ton of Japanese reporters following around starting pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka. Overall, PR guru Rob Butcher said - with ESPN, FSN, and Tokyo Broadcasting System - he had to issue about 200 daily media credentials.

The list includes: Boston Globe, Boston Hearld, Providence Journal, Hartford Courant, Lawrence Eagle Tribune, MLB.com, AP, Portland Press Herald, Asahi Shimbun, Chunichi Shimbun, Fuji Evening News, Hochi Shimbun, Jiji Press, Kyodo News, Nikkan Gendai, Kikkeil Shimbun, Nikkan Sports News, Sankei Shimbun, Sankei Sports, Sports Nippon, Daily Sports, Mainichi New2s, Tokyo Sports Press, Yomiuri Shuimbun, FM Nack 5 Radio, Fuji TV, NHK, NTV, TBS, TV Asahi, TV Tokyo and Nuevo Dia.

blumj
03-26-2007, 10:38 AM
Good lord, who came up with that nickname? Me thinks ESPN's fingerprints are all over that one. :rolleyes:
It was inevitable. He's a pitcher, his first name is pronounced almost exactly like "Dice-K", there's just no way that was ever going to be avoided.

coachw513
03-26-2007, 10:57 AM
Quick, I need an algebra lesson plan to use utilizing the game on ESPN...:help:

We'd hate to let work stand in the way of a good spring training game :thumbup:

Joseph
03-26-2007, 11:12 AM
It was inevitable. He's a pitcher, his first name is pronounced almost exactly like "Dice-K", there's just no way that was ever going to be avoided.

I still say, and no I can't speak Japanese, that his name should not be pronounced like that, but instead should be Die-sook-e or Die-sook-eh

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
03-26-2007, 11:18 AM
CF Freel
LF Dunn
2B Phillips
RF Griffey
3B Encarnacion
1B Hatteberg
SS Gonzalez
C Ross
P Livingston

Here's your OD lineup folks... (Replace Livingston with Harang obviously)
Looks good to me.:beerme:

flyer85
03-26-2007, 11:25 AM
looks like the opening day lineup.

Not great but it could be worse. Gonzo should never bat anywhere other than 8th.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 11:25 AM
Dice-K? :confused:
watch out for the gyroball.

BRM
03-26-2007, 11:28 AM
looks like the opening day lineup.

Not great but it could be worse. Gonzo should never bat anywhere other than 8th.

Phillips hitting 3rd isn't likely to turn out well either.

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 11:31 AM
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt right now considering he is still somewhat of a rookie. (an older rookie, though) He isn't likely to get much more patient... but he'll surely figure out how to handle ML pitches better. Assuming he can keep from falling into one of his nasty slumps, he'll be a pleasant surprise this year.

blumj
03-26-2007, 11:32 AM
watch out for the gyroball.
You really haven't lived until you've experienced the unintentional comedy of Steve Phillips going on about "his gyropitch".

guttle11
03-26-2007, 11:42 AM
Phillips hitting 3rd isn't likely to turn out well either.

I don't know. Dunn has been great in the 2 slot in his career, and a healthy Griffey would give him good protection. I'm not ready to concede that one just yet.

Puffy
03-26-2007, 11:46 AM
looks like the opening day lineup.

Not great but it could be worse. Gonzo should never bat anywhere other than 8th.

Catchers bat 8th. Its really that simple. Narron would put Piazza 8th.

redsfan30
03-26-2007, 11:47 AM
I don't know. Dunn has been great in the 2 slot in his career, and a healthy Griffey would give him good protection. I'm not ready to concede that one just yet.

Same here.

BRM
03-26-2007, 11:51 AM
I don't know. Dunn has been great in the 2 slot in his career, and a healthy Griffey would give him good protection. I'm not ready to concede that one just yet.

I'm hoping sandwiching him between those two will help him but unless he learns to be more selective, he'll simply be a rally killer there quite a bit. Encarnacion is a better choice for the 3 hole in my opinion.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 11:56 AM
Same here.batting Dunn behind Freel is a waste of his protection value. Freels get almost all fastballs anyway because pitchers don't want to walk him and he has little power.

5DOLLAR-BLEACHERBUM
03-26-2007, 12:05 PM
Phillips hitting 3rd isn't likely to turn out well either.
I'm not big on Phillips in the third spot but I can rationalize. If Dunner hits a homerun in the 2 hole Phillips becomes a lead off hitter.

guttle11
03-26-2007, 12:17 PM
I'm hoping sandwiching him between those two will help him but unless he learns to be more selective, he'll simply be a rally killer there quite a bit. Encarnacion is a better choice for the 3 hole in my opinion.

I certainly understand that, but I like having the free swinger mentality in that spot. Phillips is too good a hitter at this point to have in the bottom, and he's not selective enough to be a 1 or 2. I agree with putting him in the 3 right now, with the hopes of Griffey staying healthy and giving him some protection, and letting him go after it.

And I have no problem re-evaluating it after 100-150 ABs and tweaking if necessary.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 12:32 PM
Phillips is too good a hitter at this point to have in the bottom, and he's not selective enough to be a 1 or 2. at this point there is scant evidence to support that supposition. He OPSed ~700 in the 2nd half of the season after pitchers had a chance to see him. Those numbers suggest an 8 hole hitter more than a 3 hole hitter. He doesn't have an impressive minor league track record either.

reds44
03-26-2007, 12:49 PM
at this point there is scant evidence to support that supposition. He OPSed ~700 in the 2nd half of the season after pitchers had a chance to see him. Those numbers suggest an 8 hole hitter more than a 3 hole hitter. He doesn't have an impressive minor league track record either.
While true, he OPSed .948 in August. He then proceeded to OPS a mind-bogglingly bad .457 in September. The fact of the matter is, our entire offense died in September. It's really hard to use those numbers from the 2nd half last year.

Always Red
03-26-2007, 12:52 PM
Catchers bat 8th. Its really that simple. Narron would put Piazza 8th.

...and that Bench fellow, too. ;)

M2
03-26-2007, 12:53 PM
batting Dunn behind Freel is a waste of his protection value. Freels get almost all fastballs anyway because pitchers don't want to walk him and he has little power.

Getting Dunn's OB up in front of some hitters who can move him around the bases is much more important to me than having him buy pitches for the hitters in front of him.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 12:54 PM
While true, he OPSed .948 in August. He then proceeded to OPS a mind-bogglingly bad .457 in September. The fact of the matter is, our entire offense died in September. It's really hard to use those numbers from the 2nd half last year.Ok then use his season numbers ~750, still not #3 hole material. Don't like that then use his minor league numbers. His last 3 seasons in the minors (over 1300 ABs) he OPSed 553, 793, 735. There just isn't any evidence to suggest he is anywhere close to being a #3 hitter. He should be hitting 6th or 7th.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 12:55 PM
Getting Dunn's OB up in front of some hitters who can move him around the bases is much more important to me than having him buy pitches for the hitters in front of him.seems like it should be easy to do both ... unless your name is Narron.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:00 PM
Ok then use his season numbers ~750, still not #3 hole material. Don't like that then use his minor league numbers. His last 3 seasons in the minors (over 1300 ABs) he OPSed 553, 793, 735. There just isn't any evidence to suggest he is anywhere close to being a #3 hitter. He should be hitting 6th or 7th.
Unless Narron feels like he is going to take another step as a hitter this year. There HAS to be something telling him he is a better choice for the 3 hole then Edwin, at least I would hope.

Gainesville Red
03-26-2007, 01:02 PM
My first experience with the Reds in HD. I'm super-stoked.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:02 PM
Unless Narron feels like he is going to take another step as a hitter this year. There HAS to be something telling him he is a better choice for the 3 hole then Edwin, at least I would hope.... good thing ST is such a reliable indicator. :help:

Matt700wlw
03-26-2007, 01:03 PM
Unfair...the satellite is out here.

I can't watch the game. :(

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:03 PM
seems like it should be easy to do both ... unless your name is Narron.
If he's really that dead set on splitting up the lefties, he could go

Hatteberg
Freel
Dunn
Edwin/Phillips
Griffey
Phillips/Edwin
Ross
Seabass

No back to back lefties, and Dunn has 2 good OBP guys in front of him. I guess it would be a sin to not bat Griffey 3rd or 4th.

Btw, I know it's only spring training, but I hope we light up Dice-K.

BRM
03-26-2007, 01:04 PM
Is anyone planning to do PBP?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Julio Lugo leading off.

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:08 PM
If he's really that dead set on splitting up the lefties, he could go

Hatteberg
Freel
Dunn
Edwin/Phillips
Griffey
Phillips/Edwin
Ross
Seabass

No back to back lefties, and Dunn has 2 good OBP guys in front of him. I guess it would be a sin to not bat Griffey 3rd or 4th.

Btw, I know it's only spring training, but I hope we light up Dice-K.

Dunn in the 3 hole isn't a great idea. That's a spot for driving in runners. He's been too much of a free swinger to bat #3. Move Hatteberg down and shift the rest up and you might be on to something.

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2007, 01:09 PM
batting Dunn behind Freel is a waste of his protection value. Freels get almost all fastballs anyway because pitchers don't want to walk him and he has little power.

But, conversely, Freel will see a ton of pitches to steal on when Dunn is batting -- most of the stuff pitchers try to get Dunn to chase are premium SB pitches.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:09 PM
Lugo hits a chopper to SS, Seabass gets a bad hop and boots it.

E6

Matt700wlw
03-26-2007, 01:10 PM
You won't see that very often

M2
03-26-2007, 01:10 PM
seems like it should be easy to do both ... unless your name is Narron.

Freel's the team's best leadoff hitter. Dunn's the team's best #2 hitter. At worst Dunn isn't going to give any extra help to Freel when Freel's at the plate, but does Freel really need any extra help in that department? Seems to me Freel should be fine either way. What Dunn in the #2 hole will do is buy more pitches for Freel when he's on base. Freel and Dunn combined also ranked #1 and #2 last season on the team in pitches per plate appearance (and in 2005 as well), so you're talking about a 1-2 punch that gets on base, starts with speed, follows with power and both guys can wear out opposing pitchers.

My take is the enormous good that combination can do outweighs the concern you've raised.

OnBaseMachine
03-26-2007, 01:10 PM
Dunn in the 3 hole isn't a great idea. That's a spot for driving in runners. He's been too much of a free swinger to bat #3. Move Hatteberg down and shift the rest up and you might be on to something.

Who led the Reds in RBI the last three seasons?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:10 PM
Cooooooooooooooooookie Crisp pops out to Phillips in foul territory.

1 out, man on 1st

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:11 PM
Dunn in the 3 hole isn't a great idea. That's a spot for driving in runners. He's been too much of a free swinger to bat #3. Move Hatteberg down and shift the rest up and you might be on to something.
Dunn doesn't drive in runs?

wha?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:11 PM
Livingston gets Varitek looking.

2 down, 1 on

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:11 PM
You won't see that very oftenso we've been told

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:11 PM
Who led the Reds in RBI the last three seasons?

Half of them are him. My point is that if it's between 2 and 3 for the Dunner, he's more suited for the 2 spot. He's a high OBP guy that's a free swinger. Less harm done if he K's with a runner on first than with RISP.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:12 PM
J.D. Drew ground out to Phillips 4-6.

Nice inning for Livingston.

Thru .5
0-0

M2
03-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Lugo hits a chopper to SS, Seabass gets a bad hop and boots it.

E6

And at first base Lugo shakes his fist at Gonzalez, insisting "Anything you can do, I can do worser!"

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Half of them are him.I didn't realize those don't count. The only chance the Reds have to compete this year is for Dunn to have a really big season and hit in the middle of the lineup. It isn't going to come from anyone else.

BRM
03-26-2007, 01:12 PM
Half of them are him.

So they count less?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:13 PM
Half of them are him.
So wouldn't you want to put him in a situation where there are people on base, so he isn't just driving himself in?

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:13 PM
So they count less?

In the context of being a 2 vs a 3 hitter, they do.

blumj
03-26-2007, 01:14 PM
And at first base Lugo shakes his fist at Gonzalez, insisting "Anything you can do, I can do worser!"
I think Lugo needed that little bit of proof that Gonzo isn't completely infallible. He's probably already really sick
of hearing how he can't possibly measure up with the glove.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:15 PM
you best RBI men probably are your 4/5 guys. The #3 hitter had better be getting on base for them.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:16 PM
Freel walks. DLW.

Hopefully Dunn hits one to Tampa.

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:17 PM
you best RBI men probably are your 4/5 guys. The #3 hitter had better be getting on base for them.


By the time you get to 3, there should theoretically be ducks on the pond. His job is to knock them in or move them over for the 4/5 guys. I'd want a high OBP guy at 2 (see Dunner) before the 3 spot. Three-Five should all be decent RBI guys. IMHO, Dunn's not a 3 hitter, never has been.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:18 PM
Dunn swings 3-0, and just misses one. He flies out to LF.

1 out, 1 on
BP up

jojo
03-26-2007, 01:18 PM
I know it's only spring training but I've seen enough of Brantley to determine he belongs on the AAA shuttle....

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:19 PM
Dice-K throws some real pus up there.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:19 PM
IMHO, Dunn's not a 3 hitter, never has been.
then the Reds just don't have one. They had the worst #3 hitter in baseball last year(Jr) and with Phillips will repeat the performance in 2007.

HotCorner
03-26-2007, 01:19 PM
I know it's only spring training but I've seen enough of Brantley to determine he belongs on the AAA shuttle....

I completey disagree.

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:20 PM
then the Reds just don't have one. They had the worst #3 hitter in baseball last year(Jr) and with Phillips will repeat the performance in 2007.

I'm not disagreeing with that at all. Unfortunately, the Reds don't have a lot of things...

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:20 PM
I know it's only spring training but I've seen enough of Brantley to determine he belongs on the AAA shuttle....... he really should not be doing any PBP.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:20 PM
Passed ball. A pitchout gone wrong.


Freel to 2nd.

M2
03-26-2007, 01:20 PM
I think Lugo needed that little bit of proof that Gonzo isn't completely infallible. He's probably already really sick
of hearing how he can't possibly measure up with the glove.

Probably. It's a tough act to follow for Julio. Gonzalez had a great season in 2006 with the leather, but he also looked better for having come in on the heels of Edgar Renteria's Laff-A-Lympics performance in 2005.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:21 PM
Phillips flies out softly to center.

This guy playing RF is up.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:22 PM
"Ryan Freel is more offensive then defenisve"

lol

Red Leader
03-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Dunn swings 3-0, and just misses one. He flies out to LF.



Got him swinging at the ole' gyroball. Another victim.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:23 PM
Got him swinging at the ole' gyroball. Another victim.
It was a high fastball........

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:24 PM
Griffey bloops one to the 2nd baseman.

Runner left in scoring position.

0-0 end 1

Cicero
03-26-2007, 01:26 PM
AH first day back into my apartment after the tornado damage and we get a Reds game. Spring has sprung in south GA.

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:27 PM
... he really should not be doing any PBP.

Agreed. It's like he's trying too hard. When he and Marty are in the booth together, it's much better.

Red Leader
03-26-2007, 01:27 PM
It was a high fastball........

I was just mocking.

Thanks for the true detailed info, though. Appreciate it much.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:27 PM
Hinskie pops out to EE in foul ground.

1 out

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:28 PM
I was just mocking.

Thanks for the true detailed info, though. Appreciate it much.

:laugh:

My bad.

pedro
03-26-2007, 01:28 PM
Rick Suttcliffe makes me feel better about Jeff Brantley. If that's possible.

M2
03-26-2007, 01:28 PM
In the context of being a 2 vs a 3 hitter, they do.

Do you care more about scoring runs or about enforcing stereotypes? If it's the former, then Dunn somewhere from 1-4 in the lineup is a good idea. If it's the latter then let's go find us the next Sean Casey so we can watch a prototypical #3 hitter not drive in runs.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:30 PM
EE gets a tricky hope at 3rd, but picks and throws to first for the 2nd out.
And Livingston gets the next guy to roll to BP.

That was fast.

Mid 2, 0-0

redsrule2500
03-26-2007, 01:30 PM
Did anyone else notice Livingston shaking his arm in pain???

M2
03-26-2007, 01:31 PM
Hey blumj,

What the heck is NESN doing showing a rerun of yesterday's game?

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 01:31 PM
Do you care more about scoring runs or about enforcing stereotypes? If it's the former, then Dunn somewhere from 1-4 in the lineup is a good idea. If it's the latter then let's go find us the next Sean Casey so we can watch a prototypical #3 hitter not drive in runs.

Clearly scoring runs is more important;)

My feeling is that Dunn isn't a 3 hitter. I have no problem with him at 2. In fact, I was advocating Dunn at 2.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:33 PM
He made EE look Silly. K

1 out

RichRed
03-26-2007, 01:34 PM
I'm as big a lineup complainer as the next guy ("why is Clayton batting 2nd???") but with the articles WOY has been kind enough to post showing that lineup construction likely has a negligible effect on run production, are we all just spinning our wheels?

I don't know if I want to live in a world where I can't legitimately gripe about Narron's lineups. ;)

blumj
03-26-2007, 01:34 PM
Hey blumj,

What the heck is NESN doing showing a rerun of yesterday's game?

You'd think they wouldn't when a live game is on ESPN, wouldn't you?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:36 PM
Typical Hatteberg AB. 6 pitches and a walk.

Seabass up

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:36 PM
I'm as big a lineup complainer as the next guy ("why is Clayton batting 2nd???") but with the articles WOY has been kind enough to post showing that lineup construction likely has a negligible effect on run production, are we all just spinning our wheels?

I don't know if I want to live in a world where I can't legitimately gripe about Narron's lineups. ;)
for me it is as simple as: Your best hitters(OBP and SLG) should get the most plate appearances.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:38 PM
Seabass looking

2 outs, 1 on

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2007, 01:39 PM
I have to say, I'm not offended by Tim Kremcheck's color commentary.

jojo
03-26-2007, 01:39 PM
Dice-K throws some real pus up there.



Matsuzaka has four plus pitches:
1. Four-seam fastball: 90-94 mph range/average movement/superb command (65)

2. 2-seam fastball: 89-91 mph range/excellent movement-sinks,and can cut to either corner (60/65)

3. Curve ball: 77-80 mph/devastating movement (70)

4. Changeup: deceptive speed AND movement (55/60)

Matsuzaka has plus velocity.

Matsuzaka understands how to pitch/set up hitters.

Matsuzaka has a rubber arm...

I'd take that kind of pus anyday......

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:41 PM
Ross reaches on Catcher's Interferance.

"WHOOPS"

2 on, Livingston up

OesterPoster
03-26-2007, 01:41 PM
I have to say, I'm not offended by Tim Kremcheck's color commentary.

He does enjoy the sound of his own voice. ;)

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:42 PM
How come Doc Hollywood is in the booth with Marty?

NJReds
03-26-2007, 01:42 PM
I'd take that kind of pus anyday......

Unfortunately, it costs $51M just to get the right to talk contract for a guy like that. Then there's the contract. Then you find out if he can get major league hitters out.

I remember when Hideki Irabu was the Japanese Nolan Ryan.

There's only a small handful of teams that can afford that risk.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:43 PM
Matsuzaka has four plus pitches:
1. Four-seam fastball: 90-94 mph range/average movement/superb command (65)

2. 2-seam fastball: 89-91 mph range/excellent movement-sinks,and can cut to either corner (60/65)

3. Curve ball: 77-80 mph/devastating movement (70)

4. Changeup: deceptive speed AND movement (55/60)

You left out the gyroball: 80-84 and disappears (80)

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:44 PM
Livingston with a really good AB before Dice-K gets him to hit a one (Norris) hopper to 2nd. FC, Ross out at 2nd.

End 2
0-0

LoganBuck
03-26-2007, 01:45 PM
Livingston had a decent at bat.

Grounds out to SS.

Matsuzaka looks good.

OesterPoster
03-26-2007, 01:45 PM
You left out the gyroball: 80-84 and disappears (80)

Ah, yes; however, Chuck Norris can eat a gyroball and spit nails. :thumbup:

jojo
03-26-2007, 01:45 PM
You left out the gyroball: 80-84 and disappears (80)

Yes and lightning out his arse (80)....


:beerme:

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2007, 01:46 PM
You left out the gyroball: 80-84 and disappears (80)

I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.

Redsland
03-26-2007, 01:46 PM
How come Doc Hollywood is in the booth with Marty?
Because the team has only eight broadcasters under contract. :)

guttle11
03-26-2007, 01:47 PM
How come Doc Hollywood is in the booth with Marty?

Thom and Brantley are on TV.

CySeymour
03-26-2007, 01:47 PM
I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.

Bugs Bunny can do that, too!

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:48 PM
Leadoff single for the BoSox

C. Norris batting

Chip R
03-26-2007, 01:48 PM
I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.


So Dice-K is really Bugs Bunny?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:48 PM
Ross takes one of the man region. That stings.

Red Leader
03-26-2007, 01:49 PM
Ross takes one of the man region. That stings.

I don't miss that. :laugh:

jojo
03-26-2007, 01:50 PM
I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.

Actually it has been clocked at negative speeds which is the key to its movement as the resulting rift in the space-time continuum distorts the normal laws of physics...

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:50 PM
Livingston walks Dice-K. This man does it all.

M2
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Clearly scoring runs is more important;)

My feeling is that Dunn isn't a 3 hitter. I have no problem with him at 2. In fact, I was advocating Dunn at 2.

I think 2-hole is Dunn's optimal spot too, but the things he does well there (get on base, hit for power) he'd do well in the #3 or #4 slots too. He's a pretty good guy to have in the mix in that he can succeed in a number of different lineup roles.

blumj
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Leadoff single for the BoSox

C. Norris batting

Who? That was Bobby Scales.

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Wow...I know its probably a thrill of a lifetime, but Kremcheck has to know he's bombing on PBP by himself.

Doing color he was enjoyable, but man -- why cut him loose like this?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Seabass-Phillips-Hatteberg

Rack em up.

Man on 3rd, 2 down

Chip R
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Because the team has only eight broadcasters under contract. :)


This is like the Cubs in the late 70s-mid 80s. They had about 8 gazillion radio and TV announcers.

coachw513
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.

Ah, the classic Bugs Bunny cartoon...

by the way, I'm really disappointed I didn't get a great lesson plan from any of you :rolleyes:

instead we just factored polynomials...now that's more fun than trying to hit Dice-K any day :D

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.that a Bugs Bunny changeup.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:51 PM
Who? That was Bobby Scales.
Dice-K was up.

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:53 PM
He Gone!
Crisp Ks
Livingston wiggles out of a jam.

Mid 3
0-0

cincy09
03-26-2007, 01:53 PM
after 3 innings ..... Livingston > Milton

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:53 PM
Wow...I know its probably a thrill of a lifetime, but Kremcheck has to know he's bombing on PBP by himself.
he's done it numerous times before. Since his ego seems to be big enough I'm sure he can take it.

blumj
03-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Dice-K was up.
Yeah, took me a while. :bang:

jesusfan
03-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Game available on gameday??

membengal
03-26-2007, 01:54 PM
Kremchek was painful. PAINFUL at pbp. Awful. Make-it-stop awful.

Anyway, anyone in here asked or figured out why Livingston can't have Milton's spot in the rotation? Works fast. Pumps strikes. Keeps the ball down. A lot to like there.

pedro
03-26-2007, 01:55 PM
Livingston looks like a better option than Milton does he not?

Jpup
03-26-2007, 01:55 PM
Livingston is looking pretty good. Anyone know if he has options?

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2007, 01:55 PM
he's done it numerous times before. Since his ego seems to be big enough I'm sure he can take it.

I guess I missed those games.

I really have no room to talk -- I'd probably be a stammering moron on PBP if they put a microphone in front of me and gave me the "Go get 'em" nod.

edabbs44
03-26-2007, 01:55 PM
I heard it travels so slowly that he can strike out 3 batters consecutively (each one swinging and missing 3 times) with one pitch.

I'm pretty sure Deno taught him that pitch.

IowaRed
03-26-2007, 01:55 PM
This is like the Cubs in the late 70s-mid 80s. They had about 8 gazillion radio and TV announcers.

Yeah, and they were all painful to listen to but we didn't have a lot of choices in Iowa then did we?

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Freel grounds out.

1 down

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:56 PM
Yeah, and they were all painful to listen to but in we didn't have a lot of choices in Iowa then did we?

The Braves have like a 47 man booth right now.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 01:57 PM
after 3 innings ..... Livingston > Miltonthats even before warmups as well.

Chip R
03-26-2007, 01:58 PM
Yeah, and they were all painful to listen to but we didn't have a lot of choices in Iowa then did we?


No sir.

jojo
03-26-2007, 01:59 PM
Livingston is looking pretty good. Anyone know if he has options?

Yes Bobby L has options which probably dooms his quest to make the 25 man roster...

coachw513
03-26-2007, 01:59 PM
nice AB by Dunn...works a 3-2 walk...

reds44
03-26-2007, 01:59 PM
Dunn with a good AB and draws a walk.

1 out
1 on

Phillips up

Redsland
03-26-2007, 01:59 PM
Livingston is looking pretty good. Anyone know if he has options?
He is on that dubious list the Reds released of players with options remaining (including people like Griffey and Hamilton who can't be optioned).

Jpup
03-26-2007, 01:59 PM
Yes Bobby L has options which probably dooms his quest to make the 25 man roster...

That's OK, he'll be up by May.

membengal
03-26-2007, 02:00 PM
Yes Bobby L has options which probably dooms his quest to make the 25 man roster...

Not if we all band together and lose Milton on a snipe hunt somewhere in eastern TN...

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:00 PM
Hey....anyone want to start a thread debating Dunn's rbi totals? :cool:

coachw513
03-26-2007, 02:00 PM
Yes Bobby L has options which probably dooms his quest to make the 25 man roster...

I don't think the 5 man rotation that breaks camp will be the 5 man rotation come June...I think Milton and Lohse are on a relatively short leash, especially if the rest of the pitching is going okay...

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:00 PM
Phillips hammers one (or not) into right field for the out.
1 on
2 out
Junior up

Jpup
03-26-2007, 02:01 PM
Hey....anyone want to start a thread debating Dunn's rbi totals? :cool:

It's not going to be pretty with him batting 2nd. I would say that 85 is going to be on the high end.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:02 PM
Junior picks out the oh so tempting eye high fastball on 0-1 and fouls it off. His eye is in last season form already.
Griffey eeks one to the 3rd baseman who grabs it for the final out.

After 3
0-0

coachw513
03-26-2007, 02:05 PM
nice job by MLB to put together a "Civil Rights game" between St Louis and ?? (Cleveland) in Memphis...but wait, the game is being shown on Saturday 3/31 at 5:30 on ESPN...might be 7 folks will see it while everyone else watches the Final 4 in Atlanta...

Can baseball get anything right??

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:05 PM
Junior picks out the oh so tempting eye high fastball on 0-1 and fouls it off. His eye is in last season form already.
Griffey eeks one to the 3rd baseman who grabs it for the final out.

After 3
0-0people that are counting from a big season from Jr are likely to be disappionted. There was a significant slowing of his bat last season which caused him to have to cheat to catch up to fastballs which led to a lot less walks and a lot more first pitch outs.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:06 PM
Livingston making Varitek look bad. K

1 out

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:07 PM
Livingston breaks Drew's bat, and Phillips throws him out at first.

2 down

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:07 PM
How old is Livingston?

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:08 PM
Livingston hits Hinkse wil a curveball in the shoulder. Obviously trying to send a message. We don't take any crap.

1 on, 2 out

membengal
03-26-2007, 02:08 PM
So...Bobby Livington for Eric Milton? C'mon, who's with me? If we all storm GABP, perhaps we can get their attention?

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 02:09 PM
How old is Livingston?

23 or 24 I believe.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:09 PM
JUNIOR SIGHTING

Fly out to Junior in RF. Inning over

Mid 4
0-0

blumj
03-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Livingston making Varitek look bad. K

1 out

Nothing against Livingston, he's doing very well, but don't go by making Varitek look bad, everyone does that these days.

OesterPoster
03-26-2007, 02:09 PM
Born on 9/3/82.

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:11 PM
I thought they said that today was Milton's slot in the rotation so the fact that Livingston got the nod and is doing pretty well is a good sign IMO.

Maybe we won't be haunted by visitations from the ghost of milton past this summer.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:11 PM
How old is Livingston?24

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:13 PM
I thought they said that today was Milton's slot in the rotation so the fact that Livingston got the nod and is doing pretty well is a good sign IMO.

Maybe we won't be haunted by visitations from the ghost of milton past this summer.Marty said today that Milton would start the season in the rotation.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:13 PM
Edwin Ks looking.

1 down

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:14 PM
Marty said today that Milton would start the season in the rotation.

Was there ever any doubt on that one? He was going to either start in the rotation or the DL.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Hatte gets under one to CF.

2 out

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Despite having to listen to half an inning of discussion about who'll be the number 5, the decision is already made....it's Saarloos....

Livingston and company are auditioning for the AAA shuttle.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:16 PM
Brantley is ready to commit $110M based on 4 2/3 innings....

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:16 PM
Was there ever any doubt on that one? Not really ... unless of course they were really interested in winning. However, this organization has shown that there are caveats to "just win baby".

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
Despite having to listen to half an inning of discussion about who'll be the number 5, the decision is already made....it's Saarloos....

Livingston and company are auditioning for the AAA shuttle.

Belisle to the pen?

Degenerate39
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
Whats the score

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
Still 0-0

The Reds are hitless so far...

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
I'm heading out to get some food, so somebody needs to take over the PBP. I'll be back in about 20.

M2
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
It's not going to be pretty with him batting 2nd. I would say that 85 is going to be on the high end.

I've always been of the opinion that Dunn stands to get more RBIs as a #2 hitter than as a #4 hitter. My rationale for that is pitchers will be less apt to pitch around him high in the lineup, not wanting to stack up the bases for the 3-4-5 hitters. They'll probably still be pretty cautious with two outs and first base open, but with less than two outs my guess is Dunn will be seeing a lot more strikes.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
Brantley should breathe more, talk less....

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:17 PM
Belisle to the pen?or AAA, he has options. He'd be better served pitching in AAA than being the 12th man on the staff.

M2
03-26-2007, 02:18 PM
Anyone got the radar readings for Livingston today? I'm curious to hear what sort of velocity he's working with.

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:19 PM
or AAA, he has options. He'd be better served pitching in AAA than being the 12th man on the staff.

Why would he be the 12th man when chaff like Cormier and Stanton are around?

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:19 PM
Props where they are deserved.....good stuff from Brantley about the pitch sequence following the DM's past ball....

cumberlandreds
03-26-2007, 02:20 PM
What type of lineup do the Red Sox have today. B Team or the A lineup?

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:20 PM
Anyone got the radar readings for Livingston today? I'm curious to hear what sort of velocity he's working with.when I saw him earlier in the spring it was mostly 88-89 with the fastball

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:20 PM
Anyone got the radar readings for Livingston today? I'm curious to hear what sort of velocity he's working with.

I haven't seen any numbers but he has thrown some good fastballs. My guess is he's somewhere from 89-91.

Caveat Emperor
03-26-2007, 02:20 PM
Despite having to listen to half an inning of discussion about who'll be the number 5, the decision is already made....it's Saarloos....

Livingston and company are auditioning for the AAA shuttle.

Livingston and Belisle outpitched everyone else on this team, other than Arroyo.

Both of them should be on the team, both should be in the rotation -- I don't care how many Saarloos, Miltons, or Lohses you've got on the team.

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 02:20 PM
AGon works the BB.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:20 PM
What type of lineup do the Red Sox have today. B Team or the A lineup?
six starters but minus Ortiz and Ramirez.

cumberlandreds
03-26-2007, 02:21 PM
I'm heading out to get some food, so somebody needs to take over the PBP. I'll be back in about 20.

Hey! No lunch breaks unless you work an eight hour shift! ;)

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:21 PM
Anyone got the radar readings for Livingston today? I'm curious to hear what sort of velocity he's working with.

He hit 87 with his heater once...mostly around 85-86 though... his breaking stuff has been low to mid 70's....

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:22 PM
Marty said today that Milton would start the season in the rotation.


yippeee!

M2
03-26-2007, 02:22 PM
when I saw him earlier in the spring it was mostly 88-89 with the fastball

If he truly is throwing that hard then he can be a major league pitcher. In fact, if he can work in that range then I'd say he'll turn out to be Krivsky's finset pickup of this offseason.

Though just noticed jojo's post, if he's mid-80s then he's borderline.

cumberlandreds
03-26-2007, 02:22 PM
six starters but minus Ortiz and Ramirez.

Thanks. With those two out it's nearly a B lineup. But still Livingston's work is encouraging. :)

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:22 PM
What type of lineup do the Red Sox have today. B Team or the A lineup?

Definately B team.... No Manny or Ortiz....

Matt700wlw
03-26-2007, 02:22 PM
The Reds can't buy a hit off of Dice-K.

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:23 PM
He hit 87 with his heater once...mostly around 85-86 though... his breaking stuff has been low to mid 70's....

So what's the scoop? You're saying 87, others are saying 89-91.

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:23 PM
The Reds can't buy a hit off of Dice-K.

he is impressive.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:24 PM
yippeee!since Marty has been piling on over the last week I think someone pointed put that Milton's job was not in jeopardy.

I see Milton not pitching today, not as an audition for Livingston, but as a way to protect the Reds and Milty from further criticism.

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 02:24 PM
Ross K's

Through 4: still 0-0

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:25 PM
So what's the scoop? You're saying 87, others are saying 89-91.never know about the speed of a gun until you have a point of comparison. Dice-K is an unknown as well.

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:25 PM
So what's the scoop? You're saying 87, others are saying 89-91.

I'm probably wrong. I haven't seen any gun numbers.

He does seem to have enough range between his off speed stuff and his fastball to be successful if he locates though.

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm probably wrong. I haven't seen any gun numbers.

He does seem to have enough range between his off speed stuff and his fastball to be successful if he locates though.

Either way he's certainly been more impressive than Milton and Lohse to this point.

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
since Marty has been piling on over the last week I think someone pointed put that Milton's job was not in jeopardy.

I see Milton not pitching today, not as an audition for Livingston, but as a way to protect the Reds and Milty from further criticism.


I don't know. I hope not. Marty has been riding Milton pretty hard this spring.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
If he truly is throwing that hard then he can be a major league pitcher. In fact, if he can work in that range then I'd say he'll turn out to be Krivsky's finset pickup of this offseason.

Though just noticed jojo's post, if he's mid-80s then he's borderline.

If he could do that, he would be in the Ms starting rotation....

His fastball is consistently around 85.

Matt700wlw
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
Livingston deserves a rotation spot over Eric Milton.

If the Reds look you in the eye and tell you Milton is one of the best 25, then they're full of crap.

Harang
Arroyo
Lohse/Livingston
Livingston/Lohse
Saarloos

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm probably wrong. I haven't seen any gun numbers.

He does seem to have enough range between his off speed stuff and his fastball to be successful if he locates though.He is not overpowering (doesn't matter if it's 86 or 91) but he has quality secondary pitches(unlike Milton who is a power pitcher who has lost his power).

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:26 PM
Livingston has yet to hit 90 today. Most of his fastballs are at 87. Better then Dave Williams and Michalak.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:27 PM
Dice-K Ks looking.

End 4

0-0

Heath
03-26-2007, 02:27 PM
Ken Rosenthal is in the TV booth. I'm trying to decipher the doublespeak.

OnBaseMachine
03-26-2007, 02:27 PM
1-2-3 5th for Livingston on two groundouts and a strikeout.

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 02:27 PM
Phillips makes a nice play to get Cora.

1 down

IamWallaman
03-26-2007, 02:28 PM
1-2-3 5th for Livingston on two groundouts and a strikeout.

Man my broadcast is behind... :eek:

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:29 PM
Though just noticed jojo's post, if he's mid-80s then he's borderline.He's borderline, like most of the candidates. I doubt the Mariners would have placed him on waivers if they thought he had a bright future, although with all the idiotic moves Bavasi has made as GM you have to wonder.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:29 PM
So what's the scoop? You're saying 87, others are saying 89-91.

I doubt he's ever thrown 89-91 mph...even while throwing from the back of a pickup truck that was traveling that fast.... ;)

I think you have to be distrustful of the gun speeds that are flashed on tv screen....


:beerme:

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:29 PM
Livingston deserves a rotation spot over Eric Milton.

If the Reds look you in the eye and tell you Milton is one of the best 25, then they're full of crap.

Harang
Arroyo
Lohse/Livingston
Livingston/Lohse
Saarloos or if we have to, Milton.

Well, that's pretty much what they are telling you. Either that or they are willingly and openly NOT taking the best team north at the end of this week.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:30 PM
Hamilton vs. Dice-K

The world is going to end.

membengal
03-26-2007, 02:30 PM
M2, Livingston was working at 86 in the high end according to the ESPN gun and 75 at the low in the first two innings today. What caught my eye wasn't the speed (other than to note that there was enough of a difference to mess with timing) but rather the location. Good movement on his pitches, he was pounding the strike zone, and he was keeping the ball down. Not too shabby, all things considered...

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:30 PM
I think you have to be distrustful of the gun speeds that are flashed on tv screen....thats always the case until you have a fixed point of comparision.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:31 PM
Hamilton grounds out.

Jpup
03-26-2007, 02:31 PM
Anyone got the radar readings for Livingston today? I'm curious to hear what sort of velocity he's working with.

about 87 according to the ESPN gun.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:31 PM
Well, that's pretty much what they are telling you. Either that or they are willingly and openly NOT taking the best team north at the end of this week.like I said, there are caveats to winning

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:32 PM
What the heck was that? I think it was the gyro ball. It looked like a knuckle ball.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:33 PM
Freel Ks looking

2 down

Heath
03-26-2007, 02:33 PM
Well, that's pretty much what they are telling you. Either that or they are willingly and openly NOT taking the best team north at the end of this week.

It's the 25 man roster they have to take due to financial constraints. I am guessing that Milton gets 3-4 starts to prove his suckitude. Then, he needs DFA'd.

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:34 PM
It's the 25 man roster they have to take due to financial constraints. I am guessing that Milton gets 3-4 starts to prove his suckitude. Then, he needs DFA'd.

Milton's been proving his suckitude for a long time now. Another 3-4 starts won't mean a thing, other than 3-4 more losses.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:35 PM
Dunn walks (again)

1 on
2 out

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Dunn walks (again)

1 on
2 out

Swing the bat Adam!! ;)

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:36 PM
Milton's been proving his suckitude for a long time now. Another 3-4 starts won't mean a thing, other than 3-4 more losses.there aren't willing to cut bait on the $8.5M just yet. I am willing to bet he gets more than 3-4 unless he goes to the DL.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:36 PM
M2, Livingston was working at 86 in the high end according to the ESPN gun and 75 at the low in the first two innings today. What caught my eye wasn't the speed (other than to note that there was enough of a difference to mess with timing) but rather the location. Good movement on his pitches, he was pounding the strike zone, and he was keeping the ball down. Not too shabby, all things considered...

Right. With Livingston you really have to ignore his velocity. With him its all about his stuff and his location. The M's gave up on his stuff.

Basically when thinking of Bobby L, think about his C's-curve, change and command/control.

He's a good pickup for the AAA shuttle but he's a risky bet for being a significant contributor because of his low margin of error.

Chip R
03-26-2007, 02:37 PM
It's the 25 man roster they have to take due to financial constraints. I am guessing that Milton gets 3-4 starts to prove his suckitude. Then, he needs DFA'd.


Milton needs to pull a Graves and flip off the crowd. They'd still have to pay his salary but at least he'd be gone.

Jpup
03-26-2007, 02:37 PM
M2, Dunner isn't going to get any more RBIs this year. Heck, Dice-K is scared to death of him. I don't think it's going to help having Brandon Phillips hitting behind him. They need to flip Edwin and Brandon to give Dunn any chance to have protection. BTW, I think Dunn should bat 3rd or 4th.

Doc. Scott
03-26-2007, 02:38 PM
about 87 according to the ESPN gun.

Maybe the 89-91 stuff was from the FOX gun.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Phillips Ks.
He and EE have had a rough day.

Inning over
0-0

cumberlandreds
03-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Swing the bat Adam!! ;)


Yea, if he had swung and hit a home run he would have been a rally killer. ;)

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:38 PM
He's a good pickup for the AAA shuttle but he's a risky bet for being a significant contributor because of his low margin of error.the sad part is while he a risky bet his quality off speed pitches still make him a much better bet than Uncle Milty(who has no quality off-speed pitch).

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:38 PM
Hamilton grounds out.

I've been waiting for that matchup for the last day and a half.... I wish Hamilton would've started...

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:39 PM
there aren't willing to cut bait on the $8.5M just yet. I am willing to bet he gets more than 3-4 unless he goes to the DL.

I think he'll get 8-10 starts, at least.

Chip R
03-26-2007, 02:39 PM
I've been waiting for that mathup for the last day and a half.... I wish Hamilton would've started...


Do you need a cigarette now? ;)

blumj
03-26-2007, 02:39 PM
What the heck was that? I think it was the gyro ball. It looked like a knuckle ball.
He's got you now. You're imagining gyroballs. That's what the hitters are doing now, too. :laugh:

Doc. Scott
03-26-2007, 02:40 PM
Sutcliffe says he doesn't know what the Indians didn't like about Brandon Phillips. Check the numbers, Sut?

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Brandon-Phillips.shtml

Brandon Ks (6 for Matsuzaka). Quite the David/Goliath-san duel we've got today.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:41 PM
the sad part is while he a risky bet his quality off speed pitches still make him a much better bet than Uncle Milty(who has no quality off-speed pitch).

Thats a different argument but I agree, it would be hard to argue milton's case...

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:42 PM
I think he'll get 8-10 starts, at least.if they are willing to take him north there is no reason to believe he has April to prove himself. He has proven who he is over the last 2 years and it isn't pretty. Until the Reds as an organization are willing to cut bait on obvious deadwood they will continue to flounder as a mediocre franchise.

M2
03-26-2007, 02:42 PM
He's borderline, like most of the candidates. I doubt the Mariners would have placed him on waivers if they thought he had a bright future, although with all the idiotic moves Bavasi has made as GM you have to wonder.

Livingston's one of those guys who, if he's going to be good, it was never going to come together in his early 20s.

I figure he's worth having in AAA this year to see if he progresses at all. If his heater picks up a bit with some physical maturity then perhaps next season he can handle a #5 starter's role and use that experience to blossom when he's 26. Obviously it would be nice to move that timetable up a year. On the flip side, maybe he never gets over the hump.

Yet, as a practice, I like seeing the team accumulate pitchers between ages 24 and 26.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:43 PM
Do you need a cigarette now? ;)

It wasn't that good for me.....

:sleep:



:beerme:

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:44 PM
Sutcliffe says he doesn't know what the Indians didn't like about Brandon Phillips. Check the numbers, Sut?He struggled that last 3 years at AAA and they didn't think he would adjust to being a bench player. If they weren't going to give him an everyday job their options were limited. There are times when players are in need of a change of scenery, it had reached that point with BP and the indians.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Matsuzaka isn't jogging down the line to get some work in..... Wakefield and Schilling have sent the rookie to the concession stand to get them footlongs...

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Yet, as a practice, I like seeing the team accumulate pitchers between ages 24 and 26.quantity with some upside is extremely important when chasing pitching. Nobody thought Harang would turn into what he has become when the Reds acquired him from the A's. Acquire enough numbers and one will hit every once in a while.

Instead the Reds have a tendency to chase retreads(no upside).

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:46 PM
Runs please?


Mid 6
0-0

BRM
03-26-2007, 02:47 PM
Who's pitching for the Reds now. I assume Livingston is out by now.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:48 PM
Who's pitching for the Reds now. I assume Livingston is out by now.
Stanton threw a scroless, hitless, base runnerless, inning.

pedro
03-26-2007, 02:48 PM
He struggled that last 3 years at AAA and they didn't think he would adjust to being a bench player. If they weren't going to give him an everyday job their options were limited. There are times when players are in need of a change of scenery, it had reached that point with BP and the indians.


He's really only had 1.5 years at AAA. But yes he did struggle.

On teh plus side those were just his age 22/23 years, the PCL is a hitters league , and he did have success before that. TMBS, he is still marginal guy, but a good one to have around.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:49 PM
Alex Ochoa sighting. Thought he was dead ... not hardly.

Doc. Scott
03-26-2007, 02:50 PM
"Closer" Jonathan Papelbon now pitching for Boston. Why, I don't know.

flyer85
03-26-2007, 02:51 PM
On teh plus side those were just his age 22/23 years, the PCL is a hitters league , and he did have success before that. TMBS, he is still marginal guy, but a good one to have around.Exactly the kind of a gamble the Reds need to be taking. Low risk(they gave up little) - potential good reward

rotnoid
03-26-2007, 02:51 PM
"Closer" Jonathan Papelbon now pitching for Boston. Why, I don't know.

Who's up for the Reds? They're probably trying to get him work against "quality" hitters.

reds44
03-26-2007, 02:52 PM
Griffey had no chance at that fastball.

He gone

EricF
03-26-2007, 02:53 PM
"Closer" Jonathan Papelbon now pitching for Boston. Why, I don't know.

Spring training practice (though usually going by the wayside now) is to get the best pitchers early innings where they'll be facing the best batters. Papelbon needs to face batters like Griffey and EE.

jojo
03-26-2007, 02:53 PM
Griffey had no chance at that fastball.

He gone

Man the BoSox staff would look good in Reds uniforms....

Doc. Scott
03-26-2007, 02:53 PM
Pap knocks the bat out of Junior's hands with a fastball. One down.