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klw
03-29-2007, 02:02 PM
Twins
Luis Castillo 2B
Jeff Cirilo 3B
Mike Redmond C
Michael Cuddyer RF
Justin Morneau 1B
Torii Hunter CF
Rondell White LF
Jason Bartlett SS
Carlos Silva P

Reds
Josh Hamilton CF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Jeff Conine LF
Alex Gonzalez SS
David Ross C
Bronson Arroyo P

No Dunn. He must of been cut.

reds44
03-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Griffey batting 5th on back to back days.

INTERESTING

puca
03-29-2007, 02:05 PM
Jeff Conine getting playing time in the OF... Sigh

edabbs44
03-29-2007, 02:08 PM
Hatte hitting 3rd...God forbid you have two righties hitting back to back.

cincy09
03-29-2007, 02:19 PM
I'd like to see Edwin get 150+ starts in that 4 hole......

RBI Machine

pahster
03-29-2007, 02:21 PM
Jeff Conine LF


:runawaycr

Hoosier Red
03-29-2007, 02:25 PM
I'm not sure what the other options are right now. Denorfia, Hopper, and Freel are all banged up. We might as well see what we'll get from Conine in the outfield. Hopefully he never has to go back out there.

klw
03-29-2007, 02:35 PM
Hatte hitting 3rd...God forbid you have two righties hitting back to back.

Good to see them split up Hamilton and Hatteburg, Griffey and Gonzalez. Hate to see alliteration in a lineup.

KoryMac5
03-29-2007, 02:43 PM
:runawaycr

It's not that big of a deal. I like the fact that Connine is versatile enought to play multiple positions. I doubt we will see him in the outfield much but it is nice to know he can play out their.

pahster
03-29-2007, 02:52 PM
It's not that big of a deal. I like the fact that Connine is versatile enought to play multiple positions. I doubt we will see him in the outfield much but it is nice to know he can play out their.

I'm not sure I'd call that versatility. All major league players ought to be able to go stand in LF while wearing a glove. I wasn't aware that Denorfia was hurt, though. What happened to him?

EddieMilner
03-29-2007, 02:56 PM
Would you rather see Hatteberg bat 2-3 or 5-7?

I personally like him up in the 2 spot. Getting the pitcher to throw lots of pitches helps out everyone behind him. I would like to see more speed in a number 2 guy, but he gets on base a lot which is good with 3-5 coming up.

Whats do you guys think?

Red Leader
03-29-2007, 02:57 PM
This should be a good tune up for Bronson. Hopefully he pitches well. I wish Mauer was in there to give him another good middle of the order challenge, though.

pahster
03-29-2007, 03:19 PM
Would you rather see Hatteberg bat 2-3 or 5-7?

I personally like him up in the 2 spot. Getting the pitcher to throw lots of pitches helps out everyone behind him. I would like to see more speed in a number 2 guy, but he gets on base a lot which is good with 3-5 coming up.

Whats do you guys think?

Freel/Denorfia CF
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Hatteberg 1B
Phillips 2B
Ross C
Gonzalez SS

I find it hard to believe that Hatteberg can repeat his 2006 numbers, but if he does this is the lineup I'd run out. Ross would hit 5th if he OPS'ed .900+ again, but I have a hard time believing he can.

Red Leader
03-29-2007, 03:21 PM
Freel/Denorfia CF
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Hatteberg 1B
Phillips 2B
Ross C
Gonzalez SS

I find it hard to believe that Hatteberg can repeat his 2006 numbers, but if he does this is the lineup I'd run out. Ross would hit 5th if he OPS'ed .900+ again, but I have a hard time believing he can.

I'm on board with that lineup. :thumbup:

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 03:23 PM
Maybe Dunn didn't make the road trip...no biggie.

klw
03-29-2007, 03:27 PM
Maybe Dunn didn't make the road trip...no biggie. Actually I think it is in Sarasota.

M2
03-29-2007, 03:27 PM
Arroyo will dominate that Twins lineup. It's made to order for him.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 03:28 PM
Actually I think it is in Sarasota.

It is.

Duh.

Still no biggie. :D

EddieMilner
03-29-2007, 03:28 PM
Freel/Denorfia CF
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Hatteberg 1B
Phillips 2B
Ross C
Gonzalez SS

I find it hard to believe that Hatteberg can repeat his 2006 numbers, but if he does this is the lineup I'd run out. Ross would hit 5th if he OPS'ed .900+ again, but I have a hard time believing he can.

I would go:
Freel CF
Hatteberg 1B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Phillips 2B
Ross C
Gonzalez SS

I also think the Hatteberg will have a OBP of around .36 this year. Not a .39, but still really high.

pahster
03-29-2007, 03:43 PM
I would go:
Freel CF
Hatteberg 1B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Phillips 2B
Ross C
Gonzalez SS

I also think the Hatteberg will have a OBP of around .36 this year. Not a .39, but still really high.

I can live with that one.

Tom Servo
03-29-2007, 03:43 PM
I don't know about his career numbers for it, but Hatte was terrible when he hit in the #2 hole last year. Great idea on paper, terrible in execution.

Red Leader
03-29-2007, 03:45 PM
I don't know about his career numbers for it, but Hatte was terrible when he hit in the #2 hole last year. Great idea on paper, terrible in execution.

and Dunn hits remarkably well in the 2 spot.

LincolnparkRed
03-29-2007, 04:02 PM
I don't know about his career numbers for it, but Hatte was terrible when he hit in the #2 hole last year. Great idea on paper, terrible in execution.
AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP OPS
Batting #2 130 14 28 3 14 21 12 2 .215 .292 .614
Batting #6 107 18 43 4 18 24 4 0 .402 .607 1.122


Batting #2 brings his "speed' into play:evil:

EddieMilner
03-29-2007, 04:15 PM
AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP OPS
Batting #2 130 14 28 3 14 21 12 2 .215 .292 .614
Batting #6 107 18 43 4 18 24 4 0 .402 .607 1.122


Batting #2 brings his "speed' into play:evil:

Wow, that is a lot worse.

M2
03-29-2007, 05:19 PM
Pitchers get after Hatteberg too much in the #2 slot. In fact, Narron may have exposed Hatteberg last season by hitting him in the #2 slot. In "Moneyball" Hatteberg readily admits there's a limited bandwidth of pitches he can swing at and be successful.

Down in the #6 slot, especially with runners on base, Hatteberg could use his batting eye to lay off those nibbly pitches just out of the strike zone and then pounce when the pitcher had to throw something he could handle. If you let Hatteberg wait on his pitch, he's extremely effective.

Yet if you go right after him, pound the inner portion of the zone with hard stuff for instance, then you put him in an extremely uncomfortable position. It seemed like NL pitchers did exactly that when he got moved up to the #2 slot because it made keeping him off base a higher priority. Suddenly pitchers learned that, hey, I can beat this guy in the strike zone. I've got to think that will be the book on Hatteberg this year and, no matter where he hits, that's how pitchers are going to attack him.

DoogMinAmo
03-29-2007, 05:40 PM
I would go:
Freel CF
Hatteberg 1B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Phillips 2B
Ross C
Gonzalez SS

I also think the Hatteberg will have a OBP of around .36 this year. Not a .39, but still really high.

I could definitely deal with that.

Doc. Scott
03-29-2007, 05:46 PM
Pitchers get after Hatteberg too much in the #2 slot. In fact, Narron may have exposed Hatteberg last season by hitting him in the #2 slot. In "Moneyball" Hatteberg readily admits there's a limited bandwidth of pitches he can swing at and be successful.

Down in the #6 slot, especially with runners on base, Hatteberg could use his batting eye to lay off those nibbly pitches just out of the strike zone and then pounce when the pitcher had to throw something he could handle. If you let Hatteberg wait on his pitch, he's extremely effective.

Yet if you go right after him, pound the inner portion of the zone with hard stuff for instance, then you put him in an extremely uncomfortable position. It seemed like NL pitchers did exactly that when he got moved up to the #2 slot because it made keeping him off base a higher priority. Suddenly pitchers learned that, hey, I can beat this guy in the strike zone. I've got to think that will be the book on Hatteberg this year and, no matter where he hits, that's how pitchers are going to attack him.

Not to mention that a slow-footed player who makes a lot of contact (Hatteberg) will hit into far more double plays than a slow-footed player who doesn't make a lot of contact (Adam Dunn, although he's faster than Hat). That's why I like a hitter like Dunn far better than a hitter like Hat (or, to use a past example, Sean Casey) at #2 even before looking at the statistical data that proves what you're saying, M2.

pedro
03-29-2007, 05:48 PM
Pitchers get after Hatteberg too much in the #2 slot. In fact, Narron may have exposed Hatteberg last season by hitting him in the #2 slot. In "Moneyball" Hatteberg readily admits there's a limited bandwidth of pitches he can swing at and be successful.

Down in the #6 slot, especially with runners on base, Hatteberg could use his batting eye to lay off those nibbly pitches just out of the strike zone and then pounce when the pitcher had to throw something he could handle. If you let Hatteberg wait on his pitch, he's extremely effective.

Yet if you go right after him, pound the inner portion of the zone with hard stuff for instance, then you put him in an extremely uncomfortable position. It seemed like NL pitchers did exactly that when he got moved up to the #2 slot because it made keeping him off base a higher priority. Suddenly pitchers learned that, hey, I can beat this guy in the strike zone. I've got to think that will be the book on Hatteberg this year and, no matter where he hits, that's how pitchers are going to attack him.

Great synopsis.

reds44
03-29-2007, 06:07 PM
Also, talked to Ryan Freel. He said he was fine and could play if it were the regular season. I said something like, 'they're just keeping you out for your own good?' he said, 'it's for the wall's own good.' Fair enough.
LOL

OesterPoster
03-29-2007, 06:23 PM
Farney needs a day off anyway. :)

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:08 PM
Marty believes Moeller will make the team.....

3 catchers again.

pedro
03-29-2007, 07:09 PM
Marty believes Moeller will make the team.....

3 catchers again.

He said that's what Narron told him right?

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:09 PM
Diving catch by Hamilton....

Griffey was also in pursuit, but wouldn't have gotten there.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:09 PM
He said that's what Narron told him right?

I think that's what he said....I was getting water, I didn't hear the whole comment :D

tbball10
03-29-2007, 07:09 PM
why is hamilton diving?

Chip R
03-29-2007, 07:12 PM
why is hamilton diving?


He's trying out his Jim Edmonds impersonation.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:20 PM
Marty says Milton starting on Saturday is an indicator that he's the 5th starter.

I guess that's as good as it gets right now

pedro
03-29-2007, 07:23 PM
shizzle.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:25 PM
Playa hatin' homies

Doc. Scott
03-29-2007, 07:26 PM
Hamilton flies out to deep center as Marty and Jeff marvel at how he was able to hit a ball that far with just his wrists.

Doc. Scott
03-29-2007, 07:26 PM
Phillips pops up a bunt.

Doc. Scott
03-29-2007, 07:29 PM
Hatteberg called out on strikes on a questionable call.

0-0 after 1.

Chip R
03-29-2007, 07:32 PM
Hamilton flies out to deep center as Marty and Jeff marvel at how he was able to hit a ball that far with just his wrists.


They aren't letting him use a bat?

SirFelixCat
03-29-2007, 07:34 PM
Thanks for the pbp today guys. Crappy day at work, so this helps take some of the bite off/out of it. :thumbup:

dougdirt
03-29-2007, 07:36 PM
Hamilton flies out to deep center as Marty and Jeff marvel at how he was able to hit a ball that far with just his wrists.

Imagine if he used a bat rather than his own body to hit the ball

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:36 PM
They aren't letting him use a bat?

He's so good, he doesn't need to use a bat :)


That's Denorfia good.

Doc. Scott
03-29-2007, 07:37 PM
They aren't letting him use a bat?

No. He popped a can of spinach and blew smoke rings out of his pipe, though.

VR
03-29-2007, 07:40 PM
Silly question I'm sure....but is MLB.com not doing gameday anymore?

pedro
03-29-2007, 07:43 PM
Silly question I'm sure....but is MLB.com not doing gameday anymore?

they don't do it in spring training because (I believe) it takes humans to keep it updated.

they are updating it occasionally though and there is a way to get to it. i assume that they use spring training to train this years data entry lackeys as it only gets updated sporadically.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 07:49 PM
Josh Hamilton throws a seed from center to second to nail Morneu (sp). What an arm!!!



This kid is something else! :clap:

cincy09
03-29-2007, 07:51 PM
how did minny score?

SirFelixCat
03-29-2007, 08:21 PM
Anyone home?

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:22 PM
:wave:

CTA513
03-29-2007, 08:22 PM
Twins up 3-0 and according to gameday Josh Hamilton got another outfield assist after throwing out Cirillo at 3rd.

pahster
03-29-2007, 08:27 PM
Twins up 3-0 and according to gameday Josh Hamilton got another outfield assist after throwing out Cirillo at 3rd.

Announcers said it was Conine who threw to Gonzalez, who threw to Encarnacion to get Cirillo.

Ltlabner
03-29-2007, 08:28 PM
Coutlangus getting much love from Marty and Brantly. Sounds like both of them think he should be on the team.

M2
03-29-2007, 08:29 PM
Announcers said it was Conine who threw to Gonzalez, who threw to Encarnacion to get Cirillo.

Cirillo's lark must have gotten stuck in some mud.

reds44
03-29-2007, 08:30 PM
Reds have 2 hits.

I'm so tired of spring training. Monday needs to get here.

cincy09
03-29-2007, 08:34 PM
Reds have 2 hits.

I'm so tired of spring training. Monday needs to get here.

amen to that!!

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:36 PM
Hamilton gets another hit, and by what Marty and Brantley said, he adjusted nicely to the Twins defense.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:38 PM
:phillips:

:jump:

reds44
03-29-2007, 08:39 PM
Brandon Phillips showing why he is hitting 3rd.

cincy09
03-29-2007, 08:39 PM
No doubter........

He may put up big numbers this year

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:39 PM
Steal of the century

cincy09
03-29-2007, 08:39 PM
Marty thinks bp will hit 25 this year

rotnoid
03-29-2007, 08:42 PM
Marty thinks bp will hit 25 this year


I think we'd all take that.

reds44
03-29-2007, 08:48 PM
Marty and Brantley laying into Coffey.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:51 PM
Marty - "You get tired of seeing this!"

:laugh:

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:52 PM
Coffey hasn't been very impressive overall this spring.

I hope he's just "getting his work in"

Ltlabner
03-29-2007, 08:53 PM
Brantley on Coffey:

"If you're a nice guy on the mound, you'll be giving it up with some regularity".

reds44
03-29-2007, 08:55 PM
. A sac fly to left scores Rabe, but then Bubba's throw hits Rabe and bounces away, letting Tolbert score. 5-2. Those are the first runs Coffey's allowed this spring.
Don't tell that to Marty and Jeff. Yeesh.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 08:58 PM
Wow...really?

He must have had a lot of well hit balls, and getting out of jams

Seems he's been worse than that.

What do I know? I'll go back to my hole now :D

jojo
03-29-2007, 09:02 PM
Marty thinks bp will hit 25 this year

Marty thinks alot of things...... like for instance, Steve Finley would look good in a reds unifiorm.... lets put it this way....I can't wait for FSN so my eyes can see for themselves....

M2
03-29-2007, 09:03 PM
Are these guys seriously complaining about Coffey? The guy's been dominant this spring.

Degenerate39
03-29-2007, 09:04 PM
I'm really starting to like Brandon Phillips. How many homers does this make him this spring?

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:04 PM
Hermanson in

pedro
03-29-2007, 09:05 PM
Marty thinks alot of things.......

and when he does think something you can be sure we'll all know about it.

lollipopcurve
03-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Phillips struggled late last year because he had a hand injury. Hard to hit when your hand's hurt.

He can play.

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Oh jesus, Heramnson closer talk.

It just seems like we are handing a guy who nobody wanted a job that he didn't earn.

He's not even Eddie Guardado. At least he had alot of expierence at it. Hermanson had 1 year.

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:08 PM
2nd and 3rd nobody out

Good work Dustin.

jojo
03-29-2007, 09:08 PM
When I first moved here, I LOVED Marty....hearing him go off on Dunn after a ball would bounce off his head was a stark and endearing contrast to the Homers in Seattle who were acting as if the 99 loss season the Ms were in the midst of was peachy perfect baseball....

The thing about Marty though is at times he seems to be bigger than whats going on between the lines..... He's a HOFer but maybe that can get in the way of a good time sometimes IMHO....

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:10 PM
I seriously think Marty, Brantley, and Narron have the same brain.

They love their veterans. Listening to them rip Coffey and praise Hermanson is comical to say the least.

Ltlabner
03-29-2007, 09:12 PM
Brantley definatley has man-love for Hermanson as closer.

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:12 PM
Hey look, 2 runs given up by Hermanson.

Scrappy.

Runner thrown out at 2nd, inning over.

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 09:15 PM
unearned...for the record. They scored on an error

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:16 PM
unearned...for the record. They scored on an error
Indeed. Inning started with an error by whoever is playing 2nd base.

Eric_Davis
03-29-2007, 09:22 PM
Per Rotoworld today:

Twins reassigned outfielder Josh Rabe to minor league camp. This means the Twins will carry a third catcher and offensive zero in Chris Heintz. Heintz, Luis Rodiguez, Jason Tyner, Mike Redmond and Jeff Cirillo might not be the worse bench in baseball, but it will certainly be the least powerful."

coachw513
03-29-2007, 09:24 PM
Marty and Brantley laying into Coffey.

It's very apparent Brantley has his hooks into any pitcher who struggles at all...they'll all be in his crosshairs...

I hope to discern if he actually knows anything or if he's simply full of crap...

edabbs44
03-29-2007, 09:24 PM
Per Rotoworld today:

Twins reassigned outfielder Josh Rabe to minor league camp. This means the Twins will carry a third catcher and offensive zero in Chris Heintz. Heintz, Luis Rodiguez, Jason Tyner, Mike Redmond and Jeff Cirillo might not be the worse bench in baseball, but it will certainly be the least powerful."

Like GM, like asst GM.

Falls City Beer
03-29-2007, 09:25 PM
Are these guys seriously complaining about Coffey? The guy's been dominant this spring.

If he's young and he's blown a save, he's persona non grata to Marty.

coachw513
03-29-2007, 09:26 PM
and when he does think something you can be sure we'll all know about it.

But, in all honesty isn't that what he should do???

edabbs44
03-29-2007, 09:26 PM
If he's young and he's blown a save, he's persona non grata to Marty.

Seriously...you have to have been blowing saves for years to get any respect.

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:28 PM
Seriously...you have to have been blowing saves for years to get any respect.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

reds44
03-29-2007, 09:30 PM
Who is pitching?

Ltlabner
03-29-2007, 09:32 PM
Someone named Lutz or Linz or something like that?

OnBaseMachine
03-29-2007, 09:36 PM
Someone named Lutz or Linz or something like that?

Probably Derrik Lutz.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Derrik%20Lutz&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502000

Matt700wlw
03-29-2007, 09:38 PM
Jay Bruce with a double!

JaxRed
03-29-2007, 09:38 PM
Kay Lenz?

ochoa30
03-29-2007, 09:38 PM
Jay Bruce with a double!

off joe nathan, not to shabby.

Sea Ray
03-29-2007, 09:59 PM
Oh jesus, Heramnson closer talk.

It just seems like we are handing a guy who nobody wanted a job that he didn't earn.

He's not even Eddie Guardado. At least he had alot of expierence at it. Hermanson had 1 year.

Hardly even one year. He got hurt at the end of 2005 and Jenks did the closing in the late/post season.

BEETTLEBUG
03-29-2007, 10:12 PM
What happened to the game, what was the final?

reds44
03-29-2007, 10:38 PM
What happened to the game, what was the final?
10-2 Twins

BEETTLEBUG
03-29-2007, 10:42 PM
Thanks Well Maybe!

flyer85
03-29-2007, 11:00 PM
Hamilton flies out to deep center as Marty and Jeff marvel at how he was able to hit a ball that far with just his wrists.imagine what he could do with a bat.

flyer85
03-29-2007, 11:02 PM
Marty thinks bp will hit 25 this year
I guess he would be using the MBPHF as a basis for that statement.

M2
03-29-2007, 11:49 PM
If he's young and he's blown a save, he's persona non grata to Marty.

I'm worried Marty will attempt to eat Thom during a broadcast this year.

Razor Shines
03-30-2007, 01:39 AM
Announcers said it was Conine who threw to Gonzalez, who threw to Encarnacion to get Cirillo.
Just for the record the box score says that Hamilton got both assists throwing out Morneau at 2nd and Cirillo at 3rd, if anyone cares.

Razor Shines
03-30-2007, 01:41 AM
I'm worried Marty will attempt to eat Thom during a broadcast this year.

Like losing sleep worried? Because I gotta say that it's far more likely that he'll eat him on an off day than during a broadcast.

Ron Madden
03-30-2007, 04:51 AM
and when he does think something you can be sure we'll all know about it.


Yea, he will say it and then lots of folks will repeat it. :laugh: