4.10.07: Reds @ Diambondbacks---Hamilton's Debut

[reds44]

Josh Hamilton CF Season .000 0 0
Brandon Phillips 2B Season .200 1 2
Adam Dunn LF Season .320 3 6
Ken Griffey Jr. RF Season .261 0 2
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .292 0 3
Scott Hatteberg 1B Season .250 1 4
Alex Gonzalez SS Season .391 0 3
Javier Valentin C Season .222 0 0
Kyle Lohse P Season --- 0 0


Stephen Drew SS Season .250 0 2
Alberto Callaspo RF Season .286 0 1
Orlando Hudson 2B Season .394 2 6
Eric Byrnes CF Season .343 2 7
Chad Tracy 3B Season .231 0 4
Conor Jackson 1B Season .261 0 4
Scott Hairston LF Season .296 0 2
Chris Snyder C Season .154 0 1
Edgar Gonzalez P Season .500 0 0

[Tom Servo]

Here's the lineup from Trent:

Josh Hamilton CF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Alex Gonzalez SS
Javier Valentin C
Kyle Lohse P

[Degenerate39]

Should be interesting

[wheels]

Is this one televised?

[CTA513]

Is this one televised?

Its on FSN Ohio at 9:30 pm

[Puffy]

Here's the lineup from Trent:

Josh Hamilton CF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Adam Dunn LF
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Alex Gonzalez SS
Javier Valentin C
Kyle Lohse P

So close to ideal!!!

Hamilton
Dunn
EdE
Junior
Phillips
Hatteberg
Valentin
Gonzalez

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Should be fun to watch

[reds44]

I don't know what's more shocking, Hamilton starting or Narron hitting leftied back to back, and 3 of the top 4.

[Cyclone792]

He showed a great eye throughout spring training, and it was impressive to see him lead off the 9th last night with a walk. Tonight would be a great night for Josh to rack up his first career hit(s) and run(s) scored.

[Degenerate39]

So close to ideal!!!

Hamilton
Dunn
EdE
Junior
Phillips
Hatteberg
Valentin
Gonzalez

You should be manager instead of Jerry

[wheels]

Looks like I'm staying in tonight.

[reds44]

Ok I don't get this, last night I was told not to make a game thread until both lineups are in. Now I start a thread about Hamilton leading off, and it gets moved to the game thread.

Somebody help me out.

[SirFelixCat]

I so can not wait to watch this tonight.

[Degenerate39]

Anyone have any predictions for Hamilton?

[SirFelixCat]

Anyone have any predictions for Hamilton?

1 for 3, with a BB and 2 runs scored, with 1 SB:thumbup:

[Chip R]

Ok I don't get this, last night I was told not to make a game thread until the game starts. Now I start a thread about Hamilton leading off, and it gets moved to the game thread.

Somebody help me out.


You can start a game thread before the game starts as long as lineups are in. But start it on the Game thread forum.

[reds44]

You can start a game thread before the game starts as long as lineups are in. But start it on the Game thread forum.
Err sorry Chip R. I meant to say somebody told me not to start a gamethread unless BOTH lineups are in.

Don't know why I said until game starts.

[UGADaddy]

So close to ideal!!!

Hamilton
Dunn
EdE
Junior
Phillips
Hatteberg
Valentin
Gonzalez

Close, but I don't like the lefty-lefty to leadoff. I like the way that Narron rotates the lineup, especially between facing LH and RH starters. Against a righty, which is what I assume this lineup is for, I like:

Hamilton
Phillips
Dunn
EdE
KGJ
Hatte
Gonzo
The Latin Love Machine

Against lefties:
Freel
Phillips
Dunn
EdE
KGJ
Conine
Gonzo
Ross

[reds44]

First start? Narron hoped to get Hamilton his first big-league start in the Arizona series. The D-backs have right-handers pitching the next two nights.

"I'm not going to tell him, because I don't want him to get the flu," Narron joked about Hamilton, who was supposed to get a start last week before he became ill.

:laugh:

[Degenerate39]

That was messed up what Narron said but funny.

[Degenerate39]

1 for 3, with a BB and 2 runs scored, with 1 SB:thumbup:

I say Hamilton goes 2-4 with a single and a double. And he scores 2.

[The_jbh]

If you flip Griffey and Encarnacion, this is my ideal line up every night no matter who plays CF

CF Freel/Hamilton
2B Phillips
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
RF Griffey
1B Hatteburg
SS Gonzalez
C Ross/Valentin

[Spring~Fields]

I don't know what's more shocking, Hamilton starting or Narron hitting leftied back to back, and 3 of the top 4.

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.

[Dracodave]

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.


There is a God!!!!!!!

[Degenerate39]

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.

God I hope that's true

[reds44]

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.

Please tell me you are serious with that. I'm going to the game Saturday.

[Degenerate39]

Please tell me you are serious with that. I'm going to the game Saturday.

Looks like you lucked out if it's true

[Dracodave]

Please tell me you are serious with that. I'm going to the game Saturday.

I know that broke you're heart. I'm sorry, I'm sure they will send out someone just as bad...okay well..no one is that bad.

[reds44]

I know that broke you're heart. I'm sorry, I'm sure they will send out someone just as bad...okay well..no one is that bad.
If they skip Milton, Arroyo will pitch.

:beerme:

[Chip R]

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.


I don't think that's any big news. The 5th starter was going to get skipped any time there was an off day. If they were going to a 4 man rotation and Milton was the odd man out, that would be news.

[flyer85]

seeing as the Snakes are basically devoid of LHPs in the pen. Putting you best hitters together is simply the best plan. I like the lineup.

[Degenerate39]

Houston beat the Cubbies today 4-2

[redsmetz]

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.

I remain convinced that part of Milton going on the DL (besides making roster room) was to accomplish moving him to the fifth slot without humiliating him with a demotion there. Now it just works out.

[Boss-Hog]

Once the Reds lineup is out, if you must, you can start the thread in this forum, provided the thread starter goes back and edits the first post with the opposition's lineup before the game starts.

[Spring~Fields]

I remain convinced that part of Milton going on the DL (besides making roster room) was to accomplish moving him to the fifth slot without humiliating him with a demotion there. Now it just works out.

I'll buy that, I think that you are close enough if not right on the money.

Last year many of us complained about various things with the team, seems like Krivsky, Narron and associates must have seen the same things, not that we are baseball gurus, but they are making a lot of changes that seemed obvious to make in the past now.

[Spring~Fields]

I don't think that's any big news. The 5th starter was going to get skipped any time there was an off day. If they were going to a 4 man rotation and Milton was the odd man out, that would be news.

:eek: I got a kick out of that line. When did you know me to submit "big news" :laugh:

"And, looking ahead, Harang's going to start Friday at Wrigley, Arroyo on Saturday and TBA on Sunday. Looks like ol' Uncle Milty is gonna get skipped. I'd expect Lohse in the three spot."

posted by ctrosecrans

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

[redsrule2500]

I remain convinced that part of Milton going on the DL (besides making roster room) was to accomplish moving him to the fifth slot without humiliating him with a demotion there. Now it just works out.

Interesting theory there. I guess lower back strains could have been exaggerated - seems to make sense!

[Matt700wlw]

Word must have gotten out to Narron and he must have started reading Redszone, all of a sudden Hamilton is in, he deviates from his lefty and lefty theory, and I also read that Milton will be skipped next start.

:notworthy off days!! :notworthy

[Handofdeath]

Interesting theory there. I guess lower back strains could have been exaggerated - seems to make sense!

I would totally believe that Milton's back was hurt. Probably strained himself turning too quickly watching a ball leave the park.

[Patrick Bateman]

If they skip Milton, Arroyo will pitch.

:beerme:

They can't really skip Milton. The best they can do is push his start back a couple of games since they will need pitchers for 5 games in a row.

IMO, it's not likely that they would push back Milton since they could simply give everyone an extra days rest which would be more beneficial knowing Milton will get his turn either way.

I'll cross my fingers for you though.

[Jr's Boy]

Batting lead off?Not sure about that move. Of course Narron never ceases to amaze me with his lineup theatrics anyway.I wish the kid well though.

[Degenerate39]

Batting lead off?Not sure about that move.

I'm not sure there's anyone else that could bat lead off. Maybe BP. I don't agree with it but maybe we don't have a choice.

[Dunner44]

C. Trent's new updates indicate Milton will pitch monday.... sigh

[Degenerate39]

C. Trent's new updates indicate Milton will pitch monday.... sigh

I guess were just delaying the inevitable.

[WMR]

I'm so excited for Josh tonight!! ::fingers crossed::

Good luck Josh!! :beerme:

[Degenerate39]

The Pirates are beating the Cards 2-0 through 6. The Brewers are tied with the Marlins in the 5th 1-1. There's a delay in the Brewers game now

[AtomicDumpling]

Maybe Freel will get Wally Pipped and Hamilton will be the starter from here on out.

[Spring~Fields]

C. Trent's new updates indicate Milton will pitch monday.... sigh

Blame it on Chip :)

[Degenerate39]

Maybe Freel will get Wally Pipped and Hamilton will be the starter from here on out.

I'd say that won't happen any time soon unless Hamilton has a couple homers to win us the game.

[Spring~Fields]

Batting lead off?Not sure about that move. Of course Narron never ceases to amaze me with his lineup theatrics anyway.I wish the kid well though.

I don't get that either, I thought that they traditionally started a rookie lower down in the order. I guess I can't have it both ways, him starting and being placed in a spot where he has a chance to succeed. He might be just fine though, hopefully.

[Degenerate39]

I don't get that either, I thought that they traditionally started a rookie lower down in the order. I guess I can't have it both ways, him starting and being placed in a spot where he has a chance to succeed. He might be just fine though, hopefully.

At least he'll get some more at-bats.

[Spring~Fields]

At least he'll get some more at-bats.

Yes, some exposure that he can work off of and build from there.

[Rotater Cuff]

The Pirates are beating the Cards 2-0 through 6. The Brewers are tied with the Marlins in the 5th 1-1. There's a delay in the Brewers game now

They just brought up Randy Kiesler. Nice kid, kept melting down last year. He replaces Carpenter. Is he pitching tonight?

[Degenerate39]

Yes, some exposure that he can work off of and build from there.

And it's still early in the season so it's not really that important. Now if we were in the playoff race in September and Jerry did this I would have to question that call.

[Cyclone792]

C. Trent's new updates indicate Milton will pitch monday.... sigh

Hmmm ... that's interesting since I had Milton's next start pegged down as Tuesday. Oh well, one day isn't a big difference.

If Milton starts on Monday, then I'll forget about attending Monday's game and think about attending Tuesday's game. If Milton starts on Tuesday, then I'll think about attending Monday's game and forget about attending Tuesday's game.

[NatiRedGals]

They just brought up Randy Kiesler. Nice kid, kept melting down last year. He replaces Carpenter. Is he pitching tonight?

Yes he went 6 innings with 5 hits 2 earned runs and 1 Walk and 3 Strikeouts

[Falls City Beer]

Torres is in the process of coughing up the game to the Cards. Keisler kept them in it, now their offense it appears will finish the job. Just a tough, tough franchise, the Cards.

[Ron Madden]

Hmmm ... that's interesting since I had Milton's next start pegged down as Tuesday. Oh well, one day isn't a big difference.

If Milton starts on Monday, then I'll forget about attending Monday's game and think about attending Tuesday's game. If Milton starts on Tuesday, then I'll think about attending Monday's game and forget about attending Tuesday's game.

If Milton goes Monday that means Belisle is being pushed back 'till Tuesday.

I wonder why this is?

[NatiRedGals]

Torres is in the process of coughing up the game to the Cards. Keisler kept them in it, now their offense it appears will finish the job. Just a tough, tough franchise, the Cards.

Mighty Albert flys out to deep right 2nd and 3rd one out

Tie game 2-2 Speizo singles

[Degenerate39]

Cincinnati (4-3) at Arizona (6-2)

By DAN PIERINGER, STATS Writer

Eight games into the 2007 season, the Arizona Diamondbacks already have a longer win streak than they had in the second half of 2006.

The Diamondbacks look to keep that streak alive when they host the Cincinnati Reds in the second game of a three-game series Tuesday.

After sweeping the Washington Nationals in a four-game set, the Diamondbacks (6-2) beat Cincinnati in their home opener Monday to extend their win streak to five games, the longest active streak in the majors. It equals their run from July 7-15, 2006, which straddled the All-Star break.

The Diamondbacks haven't won six in a row since a streak of seven straight wins April 30-May 6 last season, and they haven't opened their home schedule with consecutive victories since 2002.

"We don't die," said manager Bob Melvin, whose team has outscored opponents 24-8 over its last five contests. "We keep grinding. We expect good things to happen."

Second baseman Orlando Hudson hit a tiebreaking solo home run in the eighth inning to lead Arizona to a 3-2 win Monday. It helped Arizona match the best record through eight games in the franchise's 10-year history.

Hudson, a career .276 hitter, is batting .400 (8-for-20) with two home runs and six runs scored during the Diamondbacks' win streak.

"The baseball gods happened to be circling around out there," he said.

Cincinnati (4-3) starter Bronson Arroyo didn't factor in the decision, despite allowing just two runs on four hits in seven innings. Reds starting pitchers have gotten only two runs of support in 12 2/3 innings in the last two games, both defeats.

"It's one of those games you hate to see slip away," Arroyo said.

The Reds, looking to avoid a third straight loss, send Kyle Lohse (0-0, 2.84 ERA) to the mound Tuesday. Coming off a disappointing 2006 season when he went a combined 5-10 with a 5.83 ERA between Minnesota and Cincinnati, Lohse had a solid debut last Thursday. He threw 6 1-3 innings and allowed two runs in the Reds' 5-3 win over the Chicago Cubs.

The right-hander is 0-1 with a 5.73 ERA in two career starts versus Arizona.

The Diamondbacks will counter with Edgar Gonzalez (1-0, 3.60). He pitched five innings in his first outing of the year Thursday, allowing two earned runs and striking out seven in Arizona's 4-3 win over Washington.

The 24-year-old right-hander spent parts of last year in the minors between stints with the Diamondbacks. After a September call-up to Arizona, he went 2-2 with a 2.63 ERA in five appearances, including three starts.

He has not pitched against the Reds since Aug. 29, 2004, when he surrendered two earned runs in seven innings and failed to factor in the decision.

The Diamondbacks have won four of their last five home games against the Reds.

[Falls City Beer]

Blown save for Torres. Cards tie it up. I think it's an unmitigated joke that people call the Cards' offense pathetic. How silly.

I honestly think I'd rather be dead than face Duncan, Pujols, and Spiezio. Impossible outs.

[reds44]

Josh Hamilton CF Season .000 0 0
Brandon Phillips 2B Season .200 1 2
Adam Dunn LF Season .320 3 6
Ken Griffey Jr. RF Season .261 0 2
Edwin Encarnacion 3B Season .292 0 3
Scott Hatteberg 1B Season .250 1 4
Alex Gonzalez SS Season .391 0 3
Javier Valentin C Season .222 0 0
Kyle Lohse P Season --- 0 0


Stephen Drew SS Season .250 0 2
Alberto Callaspo RF Season .286 0 1
Orlando Hudson 2B Season .394 2 6
Eric Byrnes CF Season .343 2 7
Chad Tracy 3B Season .231 0 4
Conor Jackson 1B Season .261 0 4
Scott Hairston LF Season .296 0 2
Chris Snyder C Season .154 0 1
Edgar Gonzalez P Season .500 0 0

[Matt700wlw]

Blown save for Torres. Cards tie it up. I think it's an unmitigated joke that people call the Cards' offense pathetic. How silly.



Who did that?

[reds44]

Blown save for Torres. Cards tie it up. I think it's an unmitigated joke that people call the Cards' offense pathetic. How silly.

I honestly think I'd rather be dead than face Duncan, Pujols, and Spiezio. Impossible outs.
It is pathetic, as is their pitching staff.

[smith288]

Torres is in the process of coughing up the game to the Cards. Keisler kept them in it, now their offense it appears will finish the job. Just a tough, tough franchise, the Cards.
Hi George Grande.

[Falls City Beer]

It is pathetic, as is their pitching staff.

Really. How do you figure?

If they are pathetic, then the Reds' lineup is scatalogical.

[NatiRedGals]

Josh Hancock stays in to pitch to the 1st batter

He looks really skinny now though

[reds44]

Really. How do you figure?

If they are pathetic, then the Reds' lineup is scatalogical.
Look at their lineup. Wilson 2nd and Molina 5th?

P-a-t-h-e-t-i-c.

[Falls City Beer]

Look at their lineup. Wilson 2nd and Molina 5th?

P-a-t-h-e-t-i-c.

Uh, Phillips in the 3 spot?

Gonzalez?

Ross?

I mean, who are we kidding?

Seriously, besides Dunn, which Reds' hitter stands shoulder to shoulder with Rolen, Pujols, and Duncan?

[WMR]

Duncan and Spiezio, FCB??

Should Cooperstown commence with their bust designs?

If those two are enough to make you commit suicide as a pitcher...

hmmmm...

What would the Yankees make you do?

[reds44]

Uh, Phillips in the 3 spot?

Gonzalez?

Ross?

I mean, who are we kidding?
Uhh, Edwin batting 5th?
Dunn batting 2nd?

It works both ways.

[Matt700wlw]

I don't usually agree with a lot of FCB says, but I don't think he's calling them the '27 Yankees....they're not solid 1-9, but they have some good hitters, they have some pop...you have to be careful facing them.

I don't think their pitching is that great, though, especially without Carpenter, overall, which could be their downfall this season.

With that being said, the Reds beat them more than they lost to them last season :D...it was their struggles against the WORSE teams (Cubs/Brewers) that was their downfall

[Falls City Beer]

Duncan and Spiezio, FCB??

Should Cooperstown commence with their bust designs?

If those two are enough to make you commit suicide as a pitcher...

hmmmm...

What would the Yankees make you do?

Well, the Yankees are just sick. I can't argue with that. But Spiezio and Duncan have outproduced 11/13ths of the Reds' offensive players.

[reds44]

Well, the Yankees are just sick. I can't argue with that. But Spiezio and Duncan have outproduced 11/13ths of the Reds' offensive players.
We've played 7 games. They better then Pujols too?

[Degenerate39]

I don't usually agree with a lot of FCB says, but I don't think he's calling them the '75 Reds....they're not solid 1-9, but they have some good hitters, they have some pop...you have to be careful facing them.

I don't think their pitching is that great, though, especially without Carpenter, overall, which could be their downfall this season.

:thumbup:

[Falls City Beer]

We've played 7 games.

I'm talking about last year, too.

[RedRage]

D. Eckstein ss Freel REDS
C. Duncan lf Dunn REDS
A. Pujols 1b Phillips CARDS
S. Spiezio 3b Griffey REDS
P. Wilson rf Encarnacion REDS
G. Bennett c Ross UNSURE
A. Miles 2b Hatteberg REDS
S. Taguchi cf Gonzalez REDS

uh i'd take the reds lineup

[Matt700wlw]

:thumbup:

That works too :D

[Falls City Beer]

D. Eckstein ss Freel REDS
C. Duncan lf Dunn REDS
A. Pujols 1b Phillips CARDS
S. Spiezio 3b Griffey REDS
P. Wilson rf Encarnacion REDS
G. Bennett c Ross UNSURE
A. Miles 2b Hatteberg REDS
S. Taguchi cf Gonzalez REDS

uh i'd take the reds lineup

Now compare "A" lineups.

[RedRage]

rolen over griffey then two for the cards
I'd still take encarnacion over edmonds
who am I missing?

[Degenerate39]

The games blacked out on FSN Cincy for me so thank God for Extra Innings

[reds44]

I'm talking about last year, too.
They outpreformed 11/13ths of the Reds offense last year?

They outpreformed Dunn, Edwin, Griffey, Ross, Phillips?

[Falls City Beer]

They outpreformed 11/13ths of the Reds offense last year?

They outpreformed Dunn, Edwin, Griffey, Ross, Phillips?

The only one they didn't OPS higher than was Ross; but Dunn had far more ABs than Duncan, so I'll call Dunn the winner there. But yeah, they outperformed Griffey, Edwin, and Phillips.

[reds44]

The only one they didn't OPS higher than was Ross; but Dunn had far more ABs than Duncan, so I'll call Dunn the winner there. But yeah, they outperformed Griffey, Edwin, and Phillips.
:laugh:

You'd trade Edwin for either of those guys?

I could think about doing Phillips for Duncan, but even that's a stretch.

[Grounds_Crew]

Hey guys, I'm just chiming in for the first time....just got home from the game. I took off early to avoid traffic. I listened to the game on the way home and the Cards tied it up in the ninth on a Chris Duncan base hit (I think). So, the Pirates and Cards are currently in extra innings. That means Torres gets his first blown save.


Anyway, did I miss any good conversation in the first few pages?

[Degenerate39]

The St. Louis/Pittsburgh game is in extra innings now. 2-2 middle of the 10th

[RBA]

Josh takes ball 1!

[Degenerate39]

Ball 1 to begin the game

[RBA]

Josh fouls off pitch 2 1-1

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[RBA]

Josh grounds out to 2nd.

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton grounds out to Hudson 1 out

[reds44]

That boy can run.

[Degenerate39]

Ball 1 to BP

[Degenerate39]

BP flys out to center

[Degenerate39]

Ball 1 to Dunn

[HumnHilghtFreel]

It's okay to put the ball on the ground, Brandon.

[Falls City Beer]

:laugh:

You'd trade Edwin for either of those guys?

I could think about doing Phillips for Duncan, but even that's a stretch.

I'd want to prove Duncan wasn't juicing, but yeah, I'd probably trade Duncan for Edwin straight up. I like Duncan's HR power over Edwin's doubles power. It's close though.

[TheBigLebowski]

Hammy can really move.

[RBA]

Dunn homers!!!!!!! 1-0 Reds 2 outs JUNIOR UP!!!!!!

[Degenerate39]

Dunn With A Homer!

[Matt700wlw]

:dunn:

:jump:

[Reds Fanatic]

A long home run for Dunn!! 1-0 Reds.

[Tom Servo]

Dunner!

[TheBigLebowski]

Whooooo

[RFS62]

That was huge

[George Foster]

that was a bomb!!!!!!!!

[reds44]

That was a BOMB!!!!!!

1-0

[Heath]

wow - nice shot

[edabbs44]

Bomb...absolute bomb.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

That HR was absolutely crushed

[Degenerate39]

Griffey flys out to right

[jesusfan]

Yakata!

[Cyclone792]

I'm disappointed with Dunn. He should have stopped at third base for a few seconds to chat with Mark Berry during the home run trot.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn launched that. Wow.

[Degenerate39]

Everyone gets to postin' when Dunn gets to slammin'

[Falls City Beer]

Yet another mystery to set next to the green-eyed hatred of all things Cards: Dunn-hating. He kills and people who don't like him are uninformed.

[Degenerate39]

I'm disappointed with Dunn. He should have stopped at third base for a few seconds to chat with Mark Berry during the home run trot.

I'm disappointed because he didn't hustle around the bases.

[OnBaseMachine]

Blown save for Torres. Cards tie it up. I think it's an unmitigated joke that people call the Cards' offense pathetic. How silly.

I honestly think I'd rather be dead than face Duncan, Pujols, and Spiezio. Impossible outs.

:rolleyes:

They scored two runs all night. Good grief, get over them.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn's HR - 449 feet.

That's serious

[Falls City Beer]

:rolleyes:

They scored two runs all night. Good grief, get over them.

But even you'd agree that scoring enough runs to beat the other team is the object of baseball.

[Ltlabner]

:rolleyes:

They scored two runs all night. Good grief, get over them.

Against the Pirates.

But they are World Series Champs so they must be wonderfull eh?

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Hamilton

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd want to prove Duncan wasn't juicing, but yeah, I'd probably trade Duncan for Edwin straight up. I like Duncan's HR power over Edwin's doubles power. It's close though.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hilarious.

[Razor Shines]

Hey Hamilton used two hands there. I imagine he will for a few weeks.

[reds44]

But even you'd agree that scoring enough runs to beat the other team is the object of baseball.
Considering it's tied at 2, I'm gonna go out a limb and say they need more then 2 to win.

[Matt700wlw]

Hey Hamilton used two hands there. I imagine he will for a few weeks.

Plays the game the right way

[Falls City Beer]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hilarious.

With dingers you get eggroll. With doubles you get stranded at third.

[Grounds_Crew]

:rolleyes:

They scored two runs all night. Good grief, get over them.


Exactly. Torres got into some trouble with 2 men on and no outs in the top of the 9th. Pujols actually flied out to Bay in left field. It was actually about two feet short of a 3 run homer...but he flied out none the less. Bay actually screwed up and threw the ball into third base rather than to second. That allowed the runner on first to advance to second. So, with runners on secpon and third, a base hit tied it up easily. If Bay had thrown the ball to second to keep the runner on first, the base hit would've resulted in only one run being scored. That was the blown save right there.

[Degenerate39]

single to center

[Falls City Beer]

Considering it's tied at 2, I'm gonna go out a limb and say they need more then 2 to win.

And the game is over without tying in the ninth. All I'm saying is that so what if it's only two runs--they did what it took to continue playing.

[reds44]

With dingers you get eggroll. With doubles you get stranded at third.
I'll take Edwin's homers and doubles over Duncan's homers and doubles.

[Degenerate39]

Another single to center. Runner goes to 3rd.

[Razor Shines]

Terrible throw by Hamilton there. You've got to give the cut off a chance. Probably a little nervous.

[Matt700wlw]

It won't take Lohse long to blow his lead....



Some nerves for Hamilton on that throw...

[reds44]

And the game is over without tying in the ninth. All I'm saying is that so what if it's only two runs--they did what it took to continue playing.
Also known as good pitching.

Rookie mistake by Hamilton.

[edabbs44]

Lohse just doesn't do it for me.

[TheBigLebowski]

Lohse already in trouble. He's going to get tatooed today.

[Degenerate39]

Why is Milton pitching?

[RBA]

Bad decision by Hamilton to throw to third.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Lohse's stuff looks pretty flat tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

And the game is over without tying in the ninth. All I'm saying is that so what if it's only two runs--they did what it took to continue playing.

http://www.stlouissportsforum.com/forums/index.php

[M2]

Lohse already in trouble. He's going to get tatooed today.

He needs to survive the LHBs and dominate the RHBs.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Lohse, despite having a QS, gave up 10 hits in 6.1 IP in his 1st start. In other words... 2 more outs than Eric Milton got, but the same number of hits allowed.

:devil:

[Razor Shines]

This is a K situation we'll see what Lohse really has right here.

[WMR]

That was a strike.

[Falls City Beer]

He needs to survive the LHBs and dominate the RHBs.

And in his career he's done neither.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice! K!

[Degenerate39]

Strikeout 2 outs

[WMR]

Whoooooooo!! Nice pitch by Lohse.

[reds44]

He Gone!

[edabbs44]

Lohse's stuff looks pretty flat tonight.

As opposed to when he had a 7 ERA in the AL last season?

He'll never be a quality starter.

[RedFanAlways1966]

This is a K situation we'll see what Lohse really has right here.

Good call, Razor! :)

[George Foster]

2 outs, don't pull a "Milton"

[Cyclone792]

I'm hoping Lohse just elects to pitch around Tracy right here. Tracy has a history of killing right-handed pitching, and well, we all know that Lohse has a history of getting killed by left-handed hitting.

[reds44]

That was a nasty pitch.

[Degenerate39]

2-2 count

[George Foster]

I'm hoping Lohse just elects to pitch around Tracy right here. Tracy has a history of killing right-handed pitching, and well, we all know that Lohse has a history of getting killed by left-handed hitting.

You need to be the bench coach Cyclone...I'm serious. I don't know how you manage people, but you know your stuff:thumbup:

[Degenerate39]

Full count

[WMR]

crap

[Tom Servo]

god Lohse

[Degenerate39]

He just pulled a Milton! 3-Run shot

[Reds Fanatic]

Tracy with a bomb to right. 3-1 Dbacks.

[MartyFan]

Yes!

[George Foster]

You need to be the bench coach Cyclone...I'm serious. I don't know how you manage people, but you know your stuff:thumbup:

See I told ya!

[Matt700wlw]

For the love of all things holy....

Milton, Jr.

:bang:

[forfreelin04]

nice 3-2 pitch

[WMR]

I'm hoping Lohse just elects to pitch around Tracy right here. Tracy has a history of killing right-handed pitching, and well, we all know that Lohse has a history of getting killed by left-handed hitting.

Cyclone for manager.

:bang: :angry: :bang: :angry: :bang: :angry: :bang: :angry:

[Grounds_Crew]

So much for the one run lead...

[Razor Shines]

I'm hoping Lohse just elects to pitch around Tracy right here. Tracy has a history of killing right-handed pitching, and well, we all know that Lohse has a history of getting killed by left-handed hitting.

He did everything right until 3-2. Stupid. Just give him a slider in the dirt and get the righty. I don't know who called that but it's just dumb.

[smith288]

Kyle Milton

[captainmorgan07]

why did he try to sneak the fastball there shoulda went with offspeed pitch

[Degenerate39]

It's offical I don't like Lohse right now. He better redeem himself.

[Matt700wlw]

JB says there has been no agreement on pitch selection from Lohse and Valentin....well, that's not good right there!

[edabbs44]

Yeah...Lohse will be taking Milton's place on the whipping post as soon as Eric is officially gone.

I'll take Zach Ward and $4.5 million instead of him anyday. What an awful trade.

[Reds Fanatic]

4th hit of the inning.

[George Foster]

He just pulled a Milton! 3-Run shot

I hate my premonitions:thumbdown

[Degenerate39]

Single to center

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Fastball to Tracy with a base open, color me disappointed.

[Falls City Beer]

He did everything right until 3-2. Stupid. Just give him a slider in the dirt and get the lefty. I don't know who called that but it's just dumb.

Dude, Kyle Lohse is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You think he controls his destiny, but really he's just destined to suck.

[RedFanAlways1966]

With two outs in the 1st, Lohse has now given up 14 hits in 7 IP this season. Uh...

[RBA]

He didn't have any luck with the next batter either.

[reds44]

Why did Loshe give into Tracy there? Base open, throw him another change up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lohse already at 26 pitches and not fooling anyone.

[Degenerate39]

I hate my premonitions:thumbdown

We all do George we all do

[RedRage]

JB says there has been no agreement on pitch selection from Lohse and Valentin....well, that's not good right there!

Wonder which one wanted the 3-2 meatball??

[Joseph]

This guys WHIP is going to match his Jersey number soon.

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Hamilton 3 outs

[RBA]

J.H. gets the put out.

[guttle11]

Just a bad pitch selection with a base open. Throw a slider.

[Falls City Beer]

There's your number three starter, folks.

(Nah, no need to overhaul the rotation, right?)

[edabbs44]

Why did Loshe give into Tracy there? Base open, throw him another change up.

He didn't "give in." He's just not good. Not sure why Krivsky likes him.

[smith288]

Lohse stinks.

[Cyclone792]

Chad Tracy has a lifetime .876 OPS vs. right-handed pitching, and Kyle Lohse has a lifetime .839 OPSA vs. left-handed hitting. It's a formula for complete disaster, but Lohse decided to take the dance anyway.

Sometimes when teams make idiotic decisions, they deserve the consequences.

[reds44]

There's your number three starter, folks.

(Nah, no need to overhaul the rotation, right?)
Ok, that's getting real anoying real fast.

[Razor Shines]

Dude, Kyle Lohse is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You think he controls his destiny, but really he's just destined to suck.

I'm not as mad at him as I am at whoever called that pitch. I hope it was just JV but if it came from the bench I'd be even more mad. But most likely it was JV and someone needs to give him a stern talking to in the dugout.

[M2]

And in his career he's done neither.

He's been a fair pitcher vs. RHBs for his career, though it doesn't look like he's got anything working today. Still, throwing Tracy a hittable pitch on 3-2 with two outs, a base open and a RHB on deck was all kinds of stupid.

[TRF]

Lohse is just too impressed with his flat, arrow straight 94 MPH heater.

10

cent

head.

[Degenerate39]

I hope Homer Bailey is Major League ready soon.

[edabbs44]

In other news...Grady Sizemore is 0-2 with 3 SBs.

[RedFanAlways1966]

This guys WHIP is going to match his Jersey number soon.

2.05 WHIP after 1 IP tonight. 6.14 ERA. :help:

[Falls City Beer]

He didn't "give in." He's just not good. Not sure why Krivsky likes him.

That little Twin Cities logo he used to wear on his cap.

Look no further than that for Wayne's fetish.

[reds44]

He didn't "give in." He's just not good. Not sure why Krivsky likes him.
There is a difference between making a bad pitch, and giving in. The pitch wasn't all that bad, it was on the inside corner. The problem he was afraid to walk him and threw a heater instead of a change.

[Grounds_Crew]

tied at 2 still in Pittsburgh going into the 12th inning. It's a fireworks night at PNC Park too. Too bad for the kids on a school night.

[Degenerate39]

Wow that was a nice catch by Drew to rob Edwin of a hit

[captainmorgan07]

wow nice play by drew

[edabbs44]

Chad Tracy has a lifetime .876 OPS vs. right-handed pitching, and Kyle Lohse has a lifetime .839 OPSA vs. left-handed hitting. It's a formula for complete disaster, but Lohse decided to take the dance anyway.

Sometimes when teams make idiotic decisions, they deserve the consequences.

So then Lohse shouldn't be a starter basically. He should be a situational righty...which means he should be waiver wire fodder. If LHs eat you up like that, you really can't hide from all of them.

[smith288]

Hey look...more of last night's luck

[Falls City Beer]

Ok, that's getting real anoying real fast.

Because I'm right.

Again.

I'll work for cheap, if the FO will pay for my move to Cincy.

[Degenerate39]

Hatte strikes out

[Degenerate39]

Because I'm right.

Again.

I'll work for cheap, if the FO will pay for my move to Cincy.

I'll pay for your move to Cincy if you're better than Lohse and Milton

[M2]

He didn't "give in." He's just not good. Not sure why Krivsky likes him.

Some guys look good working off the mound without a hitter at the plate.

[Degenerate39]

Bonzo Gonzo grounds out to short

[edabbs44]

Some guys look good working off the mound without a hitter at the plate.

Had to do it:

3. Cincinnati: RHP Chris Gruler, Liberty High, Brentwood, Calif. Gruler, 17, is 6-2, 200 pounds and has a mid-90s fastball and a big curve. Hall of Fame catcher Johnny Bench watched Gruler's audition for the Reds and said, "He has a better breaking ball and better changeup than Tom Seaver."

[smith288]

Weeeeeeee. The west coast trip makes the Reds look like bad news bears. What is it about the trip that does this to this team?

[reds44]

I'm not as mad at him as I am at whoever called that pitch. I hope it was just JV but if it came from the bench I'd be even more mad. But most likely it was JV and someone needs to give him a stern talking to in the dugout.
Exactly. It wasn't how it was thrown, it's what was thrown.

[Heath]

Who's the long man tonight?

[Degenerate39]

Weeeeeeee. The west coast trip makes the Reds look like bad news bears. What is it about the trip that does this to this team?

Jet lag

[Degenerate39]

Lohse starts it off with ball 1

[Heath]

These D-Back uni's look like they were lifted from the Astros....

[Falls City Beer]

He's been a fair pitcher vs. RHBs for his career, though it doesn't look like he's got anything working today. Still, throwing Tracy a hittable pitch on 3-2 with two outs, a base open and a RHB on deck was all kinds of stupid.

Right, but in order to warrant a spot in any rotation, he's got to dominate RHBs (because of his awful record against lefties); and he's never "dominated" on either side of the plate. He'd have to dominate one side to countervail all the crap from the other side. The guys got a lot of mileage on him; I don't think he's going to change all of a sudden. Nothing suggests he will.

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to Edwin 1 out

[smith288]

Froeming eats. And he does it well.

[paintmered]

I think the Reds should give up on the season one week into the season.

Serenity now, Redszone!

[RBA]

I'm glad they are showing some closeups on tv, because I wouldn't be able to tell which team was the Reds and which were the DBacks. Or maybe even the Nationals or Angels? ;)

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Jr.

[Joseph]

Who's the long man tonight?

Eric Milton.

Just sayin...

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to Bonzo to end the inning

[reds44]

It just doesn't make any sense.

Looking at Loshe pitch, he has all the stuff. Good curve, solid slider, a change up, and a heater with some gas on it.

Why can't he put it together?

[edabbs44]

I think the Reds should give up on the season one week into the season.

Serenity now, Redszone!

No...just give up on Lohse. ;)

[smith288]

I think the Reds should give up on the season one week into the season.

Serenity now, Redszone!
SERENITY NOW!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d0/200px-Seinfeld_s9e3.jpg

[edabbs44]

It just doesn't make any sense.

Looking at Loshe pitch, he has all the stuff. Good curve, solid slider, a change up, and a heater with some gas on it.

Why can't he put it together?

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/f/f6/200px-JeffGeorge.jpg

[RBA]

Big inning for Reds here. ;)

[RBA]

1 pitch, 1 out.

[Degenerate39]

Javier flys out to foul territory 1 out

[Razor Shines]

Really not making this guy work, are they?

[Falls City Beer]

It just doesn't make any sense.

Looking at Loshe pitch, he has all the stuff. Good curve, solid slider, a change up, and a heater with some gas on it.

Why can't he put it together?

You can't fix stupid. As the kids say.

[reds44]

Nothing liek a foul out on the first pitch.

[guttle11]

Is it just me or does FSN miss a lot of plays showing graphics and replays?

They missed Dunn's second homer on opening day, too.

[RBA]

Hamilton on deck.

[RedFanAlways1966]

REDS batters with 7 HRs this year. REDS pitchers have given up 7 HRs this year... only 1 in the 1st 4 games. 5 HRs given up since Sunday.

[reds44]

You can't fix stupid. As the kids say.
Don't let him shake the catcher off.

[Heath]

What did Alex Trevino say about Mario Soto?

A Million Dollar arm...and a ten cent head.

[Cyclone792]

Lohse had a nice, quick inning there in the 2nd so maybe he'll be able to toss a few solid innings and allow the offense a chance to tie/take the lead at some point tonight. Of course, the 28 pitch 1st inning he had doesn't help matters for duration, and the Reds offense has forced Gonzalez to throw a whopping 20 pitches through two innings so far.

Also, some people may interested in this little tidbit ... it's well-documented that one of Bronson Arroyo's weaknesses is getting left-handed hitters out. Arroyo's OPS against vs. left-handed hitters is .811. Kyle Lohse, with his .839 OPS against left-handed hitters, allows an OPS 28 points higher than Arroyo.

Bronson Arroyo, obviously, absolutely blows Lohse away when it comes to retiring right-handed hitters.

[RBA]

Loshe walks!

[Degenerate39]

Lohsetion walks

[Cedric]

Really not making this guy work, are they?

Javier Valentin is a complete waste. A terrible hitter. Probably the worst plate approach of any player in the league.

[RBA]

Hell Yeah!

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton With His First Homer!

[Cyclone792]

Now THAT was sweet!