4/11/07 vs D-Backs (Hamilton in, Jr. resting)

[SirFelixCat]

About the perfect lineup, considering the players playing....

Freel (CF)
Hatteberg (1B)
Dunn (LF)
Encarnacion (3B)
Hamilton (RF)
Phillips (2B)
Gonzalez (SS)
Ross (C)
Belisle (P)


D-Backs
Stephen Drew SS
Alberto Callaspo RF
Orlando Hudson 2B
Eric Byrnes CF
Chad Tracy 3B
Conor Jackson 1B
Scott Hairston LF
Miguel Montero C
Micah Owings RHP


Sorry about the confusion, folks. :mooner:

[NorrisHopper30]

Against the D-backs you mean :)

[Heath]

After the last two nights I wasn't sure if I was going to watch this game.

With Hamilton in, I think I will.

[Grounds_Crew]

It looks like the speed is well dispersed in that lineup.

Things to look for tonight:
-continued plate discipline from the Natural
-hopefully Ross will make contact for the first time. It seems like he's 0 for the year.
-hopefully Freel will echo the plate discipline of Hamilton and give us a better lead off approach
-IF...Freel, Hamilton and BP can get on base...steal LOTS of bases tonight

and...

with those guys on base, maybe we can see a better example of small ball and moving the runners...hence getting the right things done with RISP!


Oh, and we're not playing the Pirates.

[Joseph]

I like the dropping of Phillips in the line up.

[reds44]

Well lookie there.

Hatteberg 2nd
Phillips 6th

*pats self on the back*
I'm not as dumb as I look.

[reds44]

About the perfect lineup, considering the players playing....

Freel (CF)
Hatteberg (1B)
Dunn (LF)
Encarnacion (3B)
Hamilton (RF)
Phillips (2B)
Gonzalez (SS)
Ross (C)
Belisle (P)


D-Backs to come later.

eta: oops...first one of the season and I gac ;) it up...mods, fix the title please.
Edit: Go advanced: Edit the title at the top.

[Grounds_Crew]

Ok, it looks like we're playing the D Backs again, haha, and not the Buccos

[guttle11]

I like this lineup. A lot.

[Patrick Bateman]

I'm not as dumb as I look.

Or just as dumb as Narron ;)



Just kidding. I like the move too. Hatteberg's bad line in the second slot doesn't bother me too much. Historically he's not that bad there.

I generally don't get into slot hitting for players. Hatteberg has a decent ability to hit, and I think he can bring that regardless of where he hits. Some places he could be marginally better, but I happen to think 2nd spot is a nice spot for his on base abilities in front of Dunn.

I really do like the fact that the top 4 guys all exhibit very solid plate discipline (maybe even 5 if Hamilton continues the patience he has exhibited since spring training.

[Degenerate39]

I like this line up but I miss Jr.

[Degenerate39]

It looks like the speed is well dispersed in that lineup.

Things to look for tonight:
-continued plate discipline from the Natural
-hopefully Ross will make contact for the first time. It seems like he's 0 for the year.
-hopefully Freel will echo the plate discipline of Hamilton and give us a better lead off approach
-IF...Freel, Hamilton, BP, and Dunn can get on base...steal LOTS of bases tonight

and...

with those guys on base, maybe we can see a better example of small ball and moving the runners...hence getting the right things done with RISP!


Oh, and we're not playing the Pirates.

The man does have 2 stolen bases this year :evil:

[NorrisHopper30]

We need to win this one, and by more than one run. I'm sick of these close wins/losses.

[Degenerate39]

We need to win this one, and by more than one run. I'm sick of these close wins/losses.

Definetly and I'd like to see some good pitching from Belisle again tonight.

[Heath]

We need to win this one, and by more than one run. I'm sick of these close wins/losses.

Dude. It's April. Wait until June or July. You'll be drinking Maalox by the tankerful.

Plenty of time.

[reds44]

Definetly and I'd like to see some good pitching from Belisle again tonight.
The most important thing is for this team to keep pitching well. Edwin, Junior, and probably Phillips will come aorund offensivley.

[Degenerate39]

The most important thing is for this team to keep pitching well. Edwin, Junior, and probably Phillips will come aorund offensivley.

The pitching has done pretty decent so far. Lohse just made a few big mistakes that cost us but other than that he was doing good. Harang has been good, Arroyo has been good even though he hasn't picked up a W yet, Belisle did good in his first start, Milton has done Miltony. The pen has been doing good so far. So all we need is for the offense to pick up the pace a little bit and we should be fine.

[NorrisHopper30]

Definetly and I'd like to see some good pitching from Belisle again tonight.

That would be great, if this team can continue to get good/great pitching i'm sure they'll come around offensively, but I really can't stand losing games when the pitchers work so hard and keep the opponent under 5 runs for 9 innings.

[Degenerate39]

That would be great, if this team can continue to get good/great pitching i'm sure they'll come around offensively, but I really can't stand losing games when the pitchers work so hard and keep the opponent under 5 runs for 9 innings.

I know I hate losing by 1 run too but you can't forget that were not the offensive juggernaut that we use to be. Now our main focus is defense and pitching. But we still have good bats some of which haven't came around yet. It's early Jobu will wake the bats up sooner or later.

[Matt700wlw]

Well lookie there.

Hatteberg 2nd
Phillips 6th

*pats self on the back*
I'm not as dumb as I look.

No...you're DUMBER!!!

:D :p: :D :p: :D :p: :D :p: :D :p: :D :p:

[Cyclone792]

I'm looking for Matt Belisle to give the Reds another solid start, and I'm also looking for the offense to have a bit more success tonight.

In Belisle's first start of the season, he faced 23 batters over his six innings ... striking out six, walking only one, and not allowing any balls to leave the park. I'm not expecting a repeat performance, but something pretty decent would be nice.

The team OPS for the last three games: .559, .635, and .715.

In Reds wins, we've seen the following team OPS numbers: .923, .823, .955, and .950.

Get that OPS up over .850 tonight, boys, and put a few more runs on the scoreboard.

[jamess697]

I think the lineup should be:

Freel-CF
Hamilton-RF
Phillips-2B
Dunn-LF
Encarnacion-3B
Hattaberg-1B
Gonzalez-SS
Ross-C
Belisle-P

[Falls City Beer]

I'm looking for Matt Belisle to give the Reds another solid start, and I'm also looking for the offense to have a bit more success tonight.

In Belisle's first start of the season, he faced 23 batters over his six innings ... striking out six, walking only one, and not allowing any balls to leave the park. I'm not expecting a repeat performance, but something pretty decent would be nice.

The team OPS for the last three games: .559, .635, and .715.

In Reds wins, we've seen the following team OPS numbers: .923, .823, .955, and .950.

Get that OPS up over .850 tonight, boys, and put a few more runs on the scoreboard.

You're forgetting that the Reds have never faced this kid before. They'll get shutout.

[Degenerate39]

I think the lineup should be:

Freel-CF
Hamilton-RF
Phillips-2B
Dunn-LF
Encarnacion-3B
Hattaberg-1B
Gonzalez-SS
Ross-C
Belisle-P

Spread that speed around

[Degenerate39]

Does anyone know anything about this Owings guy?

[guttle11]

Does anyone know anything about this Owings guy?

FCB said it best. He's a rookie, they'll get shut out.

[CTA513]

Does anyone know anything about this Owings guy?

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/O/Micah-Owings.shtml

According to that site he used to pitch and play 1B.
He had an ERA under 4.00 and also hit over .300 while in college.

[edabbs44]

I think the lineup should be:

Freel-CF
Hamilton-RF
Phillips-2B
Dunn-LF
Encarnacion-3B
Hattaberg-1B
Gonzalez-SS
Ross-C
Belisle-P

I think the lineup should be:

Chris B Young - CF
Felipe - SS
EdE - 3B
Dunn - LF
Kearns - RF
Phillips - 2B
Votto - 1B
Javy - C
Belisle - P

But, sometimes you can't have what you want. ;)

[KronoRed]

I'd have Phillips in front of Hamilton but other then that nice lineup.

[Grounds_Crew]

Damn...tonight's game is in direct conflict with LOST...which is supposed to be really good this week! What does a man do? DVR LOST and watch the Reds game? Watch LOST with The Reds game on MLB.tv/laptop, peaking at the game occasionally for the hour that Lost is on?

Dang, such a dilemma...

[Matt700wlw]

I think the lineup should be:

Chris B Young - CF
Felipe - SS
EdE - 3B
Dunn - LF
Kearns - RF
Phillips - 2B
Votto - 1B
Javy - C
Belisle - P

But, sometimes you can't have what you want. ;)

Where's Hamilton ;)

[Grounds_Crew]

Hey, I just read Fay's blog and he made an interesting point...



As much trouble as the Reds have seemed to have scoring runs lately, they went into Wednesday sixth in the NL in runs scored.

[edabbs44]

Where's Hamilton ;)

He'll get some time. More time later this season when I deal Dunn at the deadline for some young pitching.

[TC81190]

I think the lineup should be:

Chris B Young - CF
Felipe - SS
EdE - 3B
Dunn - LF
Kearns - RF
Phillips - 2B
Votto - 1B
Javy - C
Belisle - P

But, sometimes you can't have what you want. ;)


SS Lopez
CF Young
3B Encarnacion
LF Dunn
RF Kearns
1B Votto
2B Phillips
C Ross
P Papelbon :D

[Degenerate39]

Damn...tonight's game is in direct conflict with LOST...which is supposed to be really good this week! What does a man do? DVR LOST and watch the Reds game? Watch LOST with The Reds game on MLB.tv/laptop, peaking at the game occasionally for the hour that Lost is on?

Dang, such a dilemma...

DVR lost and watch the Reds!

[Heath]

Does anyone know anything about this Owings guy?

He pairs up with Corning and makes mean insulation.

[Grounds_Crew]

Man, this thread is dead. C'mon guys, where's the discussion at tonight?

[reds44]

Man, this thread is dead. C'mon guys, where's the discussion at tonight?
The game doesn't start for 40 minutes?

[Grounds_Crew]

The game doesn't start for 40 minutes?


What's your point...haha. Many of the game threads reach (or pass) ten pages before the game even starts!



EDIT: You must be looking for some discussion as much as I am because you replied immediately! haha!

[Degenerate39]

King Felix is throwing a no no against Boston. 7 innings without a hit

[VR]

King Felix is throwing a no no against Boston. 7 innings without a hit

filthy stuff going

[Degenerate39]

filthy stuff going

Yeah, I saw Dice-K pitch a little bit. They had Japenese announcers on there when he struck out Ichiro. I couldn't understand anything they said except SUPASTA. I'm not that impressed with him though. King Felix on the other hand..

[Falls City Beer]

Man, this thread is dead. C'mon guys, where's the discussion at tonight?

Boring club on a losing streak. You don't win a kewpie.

[Degenerate39]

Boring club on a losing streak. You don't win a kewpie.

That about sums it up :(

[Degenerate39]

The No-No is finished for Felix. JD hit a single right up the middle to end it

[Degenerate39]

They should really sale the Griffey 42 jerseys. I bet those would make a ton of money

[TheBigLebowski]

Ok..I'm expecting a big effort from Belisle tonight. Let's do it, boys.

[OesterPoster]

That about sums it up :(

...and add in the fact that most of us in the EDT haven't gotten much sleep the past two nights. I'd like to see a 10-0 Reds lead after 3 innings, so I can call it an early night. :cool:

[reds44]

As much trouble as the Reds have seemed to have scoring runs lately, they went into Wednesday sixth in the NL in runs scored.

This offense really is that much different then it always is. Widly inconsistent, and relies on the deep ball.

Edwin and Junior will start hitting.

[Degenerate39]

This offense really is that much different then it always is. Widly inconsistent, and relies on the deep ball.

Edwin and Junior will start hitting.

And hopefully Ross

[Falls City Beer]

And hopefully Ross

Yeah, I haven't given up on Ross offensively either. The guy's got something you can't "teach": a quick bat. I think he'll come around to an extent. (He still sucks as a catcher).

[Degenerate39]

Crap FSN Cincy is blacked out AGAIN for me. Now I have to listen to the Diamondback announcers yet again.

[PuffyPig]

*pats self on the back*
I'm not as dumb as I look.

I haven't seen you yet. So no comment.:laugh:

[Degenerate39]

I'm really getting tired of hearing how Orlando Hudson has been the best player in the NL. I've got two words for you Mark Grace; ADAM DUNN.

[BoCcc2832]

Anyone doing pbp?

[Degenerate39]

Anyone doing pbp?

Me

[NatiRedGals]

Thanks to the proxies i get to watch the game on my pc lol o i love the net

[Degenerate39]

Strike 1 to begin the game

[Degenerate39]

Full count

[Degenerate39]

Freel walks

[reds44]

Good AB from Ryan.

[Matt700wlw]

Good start - nice patience.....Hamilton's veteraness must have rubbed off

;)

[Degenerate39]

1-0 to Hatte

[Degenerate39]

2-0 to Hatte

[Degenerate39]

3-0 to Hatte

[Degenerate39]

3-1

[Degenerate39]

Full count.

[Falls City Beer]

Right now, this is the optimal lineup that the Reds can run out there. Yes, the one without Griffey.

[Degenerate39]

Hatte flys out to center

[Degenerate39]

Strike one to Dunn

[Razor Shines]

Right now, this is the optimal lineup that the Reds can run out there. Yes, the one without Griffey.

Really? Just today or for the season?

[Degenerate39]

Dunn singles to left Freel goes to 3rd

[Matt700wlw]

That Dunn guy goes the other way for a single, again

[RBA]

Edwin needs to produce here.

[edabbs44]

Dunn with a dink.

[reds44]

Shift that.

Come on Eddy.

[rotnoid]

That Dunn guy goes the other way for a single, again

Now that's refreshing.

[Degenerate39]

1-0 to Edwin

[Falls City Beer]

Really? Just today or for the season?

Yeah, he's just so sluggish on the bases, he's seen his OB ability go in the crapper and his power is sapped. His game is just flat. It's sad but true.

[Degenerate39]

2-1 to Edwin

[Degenerate39]

Edwins flys out to 2nd

[Matt700wlw]

What is going on with Encarnacion?

[jesusfan]

I would sit Edwin right now!

[Falls City Beer]

Dunn with a dink.

I think I'll complain about "luck." :devil:

[reds44]

And it continues.

[Matt700wlw]

It's up to Hamilton...

[Tom Servo]

Marty and Jeff all over Edwin for his struggles.

[Degenerate39]

1-0 to Hamilton

[redsfan30]

Edwin not even leaving the box is not tolerable.

[Degenerate39]

2-0 to Hamilton

[Degenerate39]

Edwin is 0-10 this series

[jesusfan]

3-1

[Degenerate39]

3-1 to Hamilton

[Degenerate39]

Another full count

[rotnoid]

Edwin not even leaving the box is not tolerable.

He's lucky there's not a scrappy veteran to take his place this year. If that happened last year, Narron would have put him down for Aurilia in a hearbeat, even if he was 3/4 with 3 RBI.

[Matt700wlw]

He's lucky there's not a scrappy veteran to take his place this year. If that happened last year, Narron would have put him down for Aurilia in a hearbeat, even if he was 3/4 with 3 RBI.

*coughcoughCASTRO*cough

:p:

[Degenerate39]

Josh strikes out looking

[RBA]

umm, that was ball 4, UMP!

[Razor Shines]

Yeah, he's just so sluggish on the bases, he's seen his OB ability go in the crapper and his power is sapped. His game is just flat. It's sad but true.

Ok, I think you're completely wrong, but ok. He is leading the team in walks this season. Other team's pitchers do fear him. And he did hit 27 home runs last year. And he did score on from third on a pop up to second, he's not that sluggish. He's been off this season so far, but he said his timing is a little off right now, I think he'll get it back and produce. I guess we'll see, in this case I hope I'm right.

[Matt700wlw]

Gotta swing, Josh....

He knew that, though. :)

[rotnoid]

*coughcoughCASTRO*cough

:p:


I said scrappy, I think you missed the 's'. :D

[geniusMoment]

God, what is going on with this damn team. I'm turning off the game, I've had it with their crap.

[reds44]

Ugh.

[redsfan30]

If he did what Welsh said he did, I don't see how anyone could argue with him being pulled on the spot.

I never saw it, but Welsh jumped on him real quick and if that did indeed happen it is not acceptable.

[kxblue]

looked like ball 4 to me

[captainmorgan07]

looked like ball 4 to me

me 2

[Aronchis]

looked like ball 4 to me

It wasn't.

[Tom Servo]

God, what is going on with this damn team. I'm turning off the game, I've had it with their crap.
The collective Redszone is easily rattled this year.

[OnBaseMachine]

How bad is this offense?

[Degenerate39]

If I ever see Mark Grace I'm going to slap him. "And the momentium is now with the D-Backs."

[ochoa30]

It wasn't.

yes it was, clearly inside. Still though to close to take. Umps always wanna ring guys up.

[OesterPoster]

Looked pretty good to me. Backup slider or whatever you want to call it. I'd want that pitch called for a strike if I'm a Reds pitcher.

[reds44]

How bad is this offense?
6th in the NL in runs.

Or is it 4th?

[jimbo]

He's lucky there's not a scrappy veteran to take his place this year. If that happened last year, Narron would have put him down for Aurilia in a hearbeat, even if he was 3/4 with 3 RBI.

If he actually did what Welsh and Thom said he did, then I don't see any problem at all for yanking him on the spot. Absolutely no excuse for it. Not sure why EE seems to get a free pass on everything on this board.

[Tom Servo]

How bad is this offense?
Assuming Edwin will one day soon remember how to get base hits, not quite as bad as we are all making it out to be, but still not all that good.

[Falls City Beer]

How bad is this offense?

Two men on against a tough young pitcher. It's not that bad.

[Degenerate39]

Belisle 2-2 count

[Razor Shines]

yes it was, clearly inside. Still though to close to take. Umps always wanna ring guys up.

I love Josh Hamilton, but I thought it was a strike.

[Degenerate39]

Full count..

[rotnoid]

If he actually did what Welsh and Thom said he did, then I don't see any problem at all for yanking him on the spot. Absolutely no excuse for it. Not sure why EE seems to get a free pass on everything on this board.

Agreed. This might be the situation Narron needs to make an example out of someone and light a fire under these guys.

[Degenerate39]

I don't know where that missed. Walk

[reds44]

I love Josh Hamilton, but I thought it was a strike.
I thought it went around the plate.

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle in trouble already

[Tom Servo]

aww clatter dittles

[OnBaseMachine]

Wasn't that 3-2 pitch to Drew called strike three on Hamilton?

[Degenerate39]

Double to left. And so it begins

[Far East]

Hat walked on the 3-0 pitch, and Hamilton walked on the 3-2 pitch, but "Spanky" rang them up.

[Degenerate39]

Wasn't that 3-2 pitch to Drew called strike three on Hamilton?

Yep

[reds44]

Good start...

[Cyclone792]

yes it was, clearly inside. Still though to close to take. Umps always wanna ring guys up.

You just have to give Owings credit there. That was a perfect pitcher's pitch, a strike right on the black on the inside corner (and yes, it was a strike). The best Hamilton could have done with that pitch is foul it off to get another pitch. He would have just jammed himself and likely made a weak out if he tried to put that strike three pitch into play.

[ochoa30]

Wasn't that 3-2 pitch to Drew called strike three on Hamilton?

sure was

[reds44]

Wasn't that 3-2 pitch to Drew called strike three on Hamilton?
lol no.

That ball to Drew was nowhere near a strike.

[ochoa30]

You just have to give Owings credit there. That was a perfect pitcher's pitch, a strike right on the black on the inside corner (and yes, it was a strike). The best Hamilton could have done with that pitch is foul it off to get another pitch. He would have just jammed himself and likely made a weak out if he tried to put that strike three pitch into play.

I give him credit but it missed in. The catcher did a great frame job.

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Dunn 1 out. Run from 3rd scores. 1-0

[Matt700wlw]

D'back's score with small ball, while the Reds continue to think that is a side effect of steroid use...

[Tom Servo]

Diamondbacks playing the game the right way.

[reds44]

Diamondbacks can get a run in from 3rd with out.

What a concept!

[jesusfan]

They do what we can't!

[Degenerate39]

FLy out to Hamilton. 2 outs. Runner goes to 3rd.

[rotnoid]

Gettin 'em on, gettin' 'em over, and gettin' 'em in. Why can't we do that?

[Degenerate39]

Edwin almost tackled the ump

[Degenerate39]

Gettin 'em on, gettin' 'em over, and gettin' 'em in. Why can't we do that?

It's harder than it looks I guess

[VR]

Aggravating string of games here. I think they'll win this one....but man they haven't caught a break in 3 games.

[Falls City Beer]

You know people make good money writing wrestling scripts; I should start writing Reds' seasons.

[rotnoid]

It's harder than it looks I guess

We're getting closer. It's been more like get 'em on, double 'em off and sit 'em down these last few days.

[Razor Shines]

Wow. Thom said that Lohse shook off Javy twice last night on the home run to Tracy. That one is all on him then.

[captainmorgan07]

belisle throwing way to many pitches in this inning

[edabbs44]

You know people make good money writing wrestling scripts; I should start writing Reds' seasons.

Easy enough when you already know the ending.

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Freel for the 3rd out

[Tom Servo]

Well, it could have been worse.

[jesusfan]

well I'll take only giving up one run right there...

[captainmorgan07]

Well, it could have been worse.

very good point belisle did start this way agains the buco's 2

[KronoRed]

How bad is this offense?

Just wait till Castro feels better

[Falls City Beer]

Easy enough when you already know the ending.

Shhh. Don't give away the secret.

[Degenerate39]

Well, it could have been worse.

Yeah, Milton could have pitched.

[reds44]

Well, it could have been worse.
Yep, probably should have been 2. I'll take 1-0.

[RBA]

Oh my mistake, I always thought the ball has to actually go over at least part of the plate to be a strike. Apparently it doesn't have to do that.

[rotnoid]

Oh my mistake, I always thought the ball has to actually go over at least part of the plate to be a strike. Apparently it doesn't have to do that.

I think that's an American League only rule. You know, like the DH. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Mays Hays flies out...again

[Degenerate39]

BP flys out to foul territory

[Reds Freak]

Boy this is getting tough to watch...

[jesusfan]

BP pops up again!

[Degenerate39]

1-1 to Bonzo

[Chip R]

Wow. Thom said that Lohse shook off Javy twice last night on the home run to Tracy. That one is all on him then.


I don't think Lohse is the brightest porchlight on the block. Brantley was saying on the HSL one night that Lohse's best success came when he had someone catching him who wouldn't take any crap from him - or something like that. Maybe Javy pulled a Crash Davis and told the hitter what was coming.

[Tom Servo]

Maybe BP has an incentive in his contract where he gets paid more for the less pitches he takes.

[Degenerate39]

Gonzo strikes out

[reds44]

Just an awful swing.

[edabbs44]

AGone.

[Degenerate39]

Mark Grace just called David Ross the best player in baseball

[Reds Freak]

It's almost like no one goes up there with a plan of what they want to do. They go up there hacking, just throwing at bats away.

[Razor Shines]

Mark Grace just called David Ross the best player in baseball

He probably called him the best hitter in baseball.

[reds44]

This is prainful to watch.

At least Ross made contact. That's an improvement.

[KronoRed]

Mark Grace just called David Ross the best player in baseball

Does Mark Grace gets drunk before these games? ;)

[edabbs44]

Ross pops up.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41059000/jpg/_41059060_schwimmerbody_pa203.jpg

[Falls City Beer]

Popouts. Sure sign that a pitcher's on. Hard to dislike this D-Backs' pitching.

[reds44]

Does Mark Grace gets drunk before these games? ;)
Ross hit a homer off of Grace back in the day.

[GoReds44]

It's almost like no one goes up there with a plan of what they want to do. They go up there hacking, just throwing at bats away.

Amen.

[Degenerate39]

1-1

[ochoa30]

Popouts. Sure sign that a pitcher's on. Hard to dislike this D-Backs' pitching.

Or that a hitters off as those two are. this pitcher is average at best. Some guys just win though.

[Matt700wlw]

Edwin got pulled!

Castro now at third

[jesusfan]

Narron takes Edwin out! GOOD!

[Always Red]

I don't think Lohse is the brightest porchlight on the block. Brantley was saying on the HSL one night that Lohse's best success came when he had someone catching him who wouldn't take any crap from him - or something like that. Maybe Javy pulled a Crash Davis and told the hitter what was coming.

Lohse is a head case with an attitude- he was constantly at war with the management in Minnesota. He's got really, really good stuff. He'll sail along and then lose his concentration, and whammo, it's over. I still think he'd make a great closer; he could concentrate for an inning only. Not sure how the pressure would affect him though, he seems to crump under any pressure at all...

[redsrule2500]

BP Swinging for the fences is REALLY ANNOYING...

[SirFelixCat]

What happened?

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Hamilton

[Degenerate39]

Edwin doesn't look too happy

[SirFelixCat]

Popouts. Sure sign that a pitcher's on. Hard to dislike this D-Backs' pitching.

On another note, why are you a Reds fan?

[redsrule2500]

Lohse is a head case with an attitude- he was constantly at war with the management in Minnesota. He's got really, really good stuff. He'll sail along and then lose his concentration, and whammo, it's over. I still think he'd make a great closer; he could concentrate for an inning only. Not sure how the pressure would affect him though, he seems to crump under any pressure at all...

Someone crumping under any pressure probably wouldn't make a great closer...

[reds44]

And now Juan Castro is batting 4th.

Why wouldn't you put Griffey in RF, Hamilton in CF, and Freel at 3rd base.

[jfar23]

Edwin didn't leave the batters box when he popped out in the first...the pop out was in fair territory btw.

[Aronchis]

It won't be long before Narron gets pulled as well.

[Matt700wlw]

44...Griffey at third?

That would be a disaster.

[flyer85]

Castro now batting cleanup. There are other ways to make a point.

[edabbs44]

Narron takes Edwin out! GOOD!

That's ridiculous. Unless Edwin got him in a headlock or something.

[Redskinalum02]

Narron takes Edwin out! GOOD!

Manager's Decision per Jim Day. Nice job Jerry. No excuse for Edwin not running out the popup.

[rotnoid]

Agreed. This might be the situation Narron needs to make an example out of someone and light a fire under these guys.

Think Jerry's been watching the game thread. Sorry, that's all the psychic visions I have for tonight.

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Dunn

[edabbs44]

Edwin didn't leave the batters box when he popped out in the first...the pop out was in fair territory btw.

I would love to see how far Junior gets down this line on some pop-ups.

Just sayin'.

[reds44]

44...Griffey at third?

That would be a disaster.
I meant Freel.

[Redskinalum02]

Castro now batting cleanup. There are other ways to make a point.

True, but if this gets the point across best, maybe it will be better in the long term.

[Matt700wlw]

Manager's Decision per Jim Day. Nice job Jerry. No excuse for Edwin not running out the popup.

I agree...just don't make Castro your everyday third baseman over Edwin - send your message, and see how he responds.

[redsfan30]

Very, very good move on Jerry Narron's part.

[SirFelixCat]

Manager's Decision per Jim Day. Nice job Jerry. No excuse for Edwin not running out the popup.

Why in the middle of the inning though?

[Falls City Beer]

On another note, why are you a Reds fan?

Here comes the loyalty test. Like freakin' clockwork.

Did it ever occur to anybody who questions my loyalty to the Reds why I've been on this site this long?

[OnBaseMachine]

Jerry Narron is a jackass. I almost hope they lose this game because of his decision to pull EdE. Horrible decision by a horrible manager. EdE clearly thought the ball was fouled straight back out of play, as did I.

[reds44]

Wow, watching replay of the Edwin thing.

He thought he popped up behind home plate. He even looked for it.

It's not like he just wasn't running it out.

Stupid move by Naroon.

[KronoRed]

Why in the middle of the inning though?

To ensure proper embarrassment of the subject.

[edabbs44]

Now here's a baseball player. Nice uni.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/jerry_narron_autograph.jpg

[Degenerate39]

Strikeout

[redsfan30]

I would love to see how far Junior gets down this line on some pop-ups.

Just sayin'.

Edwin didn't even leave the box.

It's going to be humorous hearing people rip Narron for this move. If it were Conine, Hatteberg or any other vet, people would call for thier release.

[Aronchis]

Wow, watching replay of the Edwin thing.

He thought he popped up behind home plate. He even looked for it.

It's not like he just wasn't running it out.

I agree. Narron better watchout, that doesn't sit well with teammates.

[Chip R]

Better not pout too much, EE, or they'll send you to Louisville.

[CTA513]

Manager's Decision per Jim Day. Nice job Jerry. No excuse for Edwin not running out the popup.

Edwin looked like he didnt know where the ball went.

[griffeyfreak4]

Jerry Narron is a jackass. I almost hope they lose this game because of his decision to pull EdE. Horrible decision by a horrible manager. EdE clearly thought the ball was fouled straight back out of play, as did I.
LOL - totally contrasting the rest of the board

[reds44]

Edwin didn't even leave the box.

It's going to be humorous hearing people rip Narron for this move. If it were Conine, Hatteberg or any other vet, people would call for thier release.
He thought he hit it behind the plate. He literally turned his head and looked behind the plate for it.

[Redskinalum02]

Now here's a baseball player. Nice uni.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/jerry_narron_autograph.jpg


No, that's a Baseball GUY!

[rotnoid]

Edwin didn't even leave the box.

It's going to be humorous hearing people rip Narron for this move. If it were Conine, Hatteberg or any other vet, people would call for thier release.

Don't forget the theory that Jerry has always had it in for EdE. That one still confuses me.

[OnBaseMachine]

On another note, why are you a Reds fan?

He's not. He's a Cardinals fan.

[KronoRed]

I don't give a flying flip if any player on this team runs out a pop up.

Didn't look like EE even saw where the ball went.

[Redhook]

Jerry Narron is a jackass. I almost hope they lose this game because of his decision to pull EdE. Horrible decision by a horrible manager. EdE clearly thought the ball was fouled straight back out of play, as did I.

Right there with you. I couldn't believe that ball was in fair territory. It looked like he half-shanked it sideways.

[Redskinalum02]

He thought he hit it behind the plate. He literally looked behind the plate for it.

Then he literally watched Hudson camp under it and catch it when he literally figured out where it was.

[Razor Shines]

I would love to see how far Junior gets down this line on some pop-ups.

Just sayin'.

Then watch the game. He at least jogs down to first. I don't know if I like this desicion with Edwin though, unless something else happened. Because on the replay he clearly thought the ball was out of play, I don't think he just decided not to run. Maybe in the dugout they don't have access to the replay though.

[KySteveH]

Jerry just told Edwin, "this is MY nine." Good for him. Is it Narron's fault he's got no bench, no one to insert at 3rd?

[redsfan30]

Yeah, initially he thought it was foul, but even once he found it, he still stood there.

That is not acceptable.

[smith288]

I agree with this move. This team needs a friggin wakeup call. Play a tough team and struggle and they play like little leaguers with a tantrum.

I dont care if Castro goes 0-4, he is going to bust his arse doing it which is more than what Edwin was doing.

[Reds Freak]

Why don't we make a drinking game based on the Reds ineptitude on offense. 1 drink for pop up in the infield, 2 drinks for strike out, 3 drinks for a double play, 10 drinks for not scoring with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. At least make this game interesting. Anyone in?

[oneupper]

Jerry Narron is a jackass. I almost hope they lose this game because of his decision to pull EdE. Horrible decision by a horrible manager. EdE clearly thought the ball was fouled straight back out of play, as did I.

Agreed. Narron has had it in for EdE from Day 1.

[Matt700wlw]

There has to be a conspiracy theory behind this move....there always is, right?

[ochoa30]

i honestly dont think were losing much in this game. Edwin hasnt hit a ball well all series. He is playing better D but i will still take castro on that end.

[RBA]

Seen the replay on FSN AZ. Looks like Edwin got jammed on the pitched as he looked like he got disoriented when he swung. By time he realized he popped the ball up and into the play area, it looked like it was too late to do anything. But this was in slo-mo, don't know what real time looked like.

[KronoRed]

He's not. He's a Cardinals fan.

No, he's a Reds fan who doesn't drink the kool-aid ;)

[flyer85]

True, but if this gets the point across best, maybe it will be better in the long term.I've never seen EE not run one out before, he obviously didn't see the ball off the bat.

And it makes no point because he won't do it to certain players and they damn well know who they are. It just enforces the fact that there are different rules for different players.

[reds44]

I don't give a flying flip if any player on this team runs out a pop up.

Didn't look like EE even saw where the ball went.
He didn't see it.

[Degenerate39]

Belisle with a strikeout

[Tom Servo]

There has to be a conspiracy theory behind this move....there always is, right?
It is an extremely bizzare move...

[griffeyfreak4]

Why don't we make a drinking game based on the Reds ineptitude on offense. 1 drink for pop up in the infield, 2 drinks for strike out, 3 drinks for a double play, 10 drinks for not scoring with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. At least make this game interesting. Anyone in?

I'd end up having liver problems..........:cool:

[OnBaseMachine]

So, why didn't Narron bench Griffey when he didn't run hard after that single off the wall on Sunday?

[Falls City Beer]

He's not. He's a Cardinals fan.

Yep.

[reds44]

Seen the replay on FSN AZ. Looks like Edwin got jammed on the pitched as he looked like he got disoriented when he swung. By time he realized he popped the ball up and into the play area, it looked like it was too late to do anything. But this was in slo-mo, don't know what real time looked like.
No doubt.

That was a bush league move by Narron. Making and example out of somewhere you didn't do anything wrong.

[rotnoid]

Why don't we make a drinking game based on the Reds ineptitude on offense. 1 drink for pop up in the infield, 2 drinks for strike out, 3 drinks for a double play, 10 drinks for not scoring with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs. At least make this game interesting. Anyone in?


Some nights the game thread would be quiet by the third inning.

[KySteveH]

Not that it's going to make him a .300 hitter or anything, but I thought Belisle was a switch-hitter.

[edabbs44]

Then watch the game. He at least jogs down to first. I don't know if I like this desicion with Edwin though, unless something else happened. Because on the replay he clearly thought the ball was out of play, I don't think he just decided not to run. Maybe in the dugout they don't have access to the replay though.

And he jogs when he hits a grounder to short. And he jogs when he hits the ball off the top of the wall and gets a single, like last week.

It was quite obvious that EdE had no clue where the ball was. For whatever reason, Narron hates Edwin and wants to blast him whenever he can. It was obvious last year with Aurilia and it's obvious now.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty says looking at the replay, Edwin clearly didn't know where the ball was...but the manager can take the approach of you hit it, you run....

JB says that a move like that should get everybody's attention, especially being the #4 hitter.

Marty says "manager's decision" never sounds good.

[reds44]

So, why didn't Narron bench Griffey when he didn'y run hard after that single off the wall on Sunday?
Griffey knew where the ball was.

[flyer85]

So, why didn't Narron bench Griffey when he didn'y run hard after that single off the wall on Sunday?someone stumbles upon the real issue and the real point that is being made.

[Reds Freak]

I'd end up having liver problems..........:cool:

Hey, they traded Casey last year..;)

[Matt700wlw]

It is an extremely bizzare move...

Maybe it's a full moon.....

[redsfan30]

So, why didn't Narron bench Griffey when he didn'y run hard after that single off the wall on Sunday?

There is a difference between not running hard and not running at all.

And whether it's fair or not, Junior's (and Adam Dunn) going to get more rope than Edwin Encarnacion (a second year player) is going to get.

[KronoRed]

This series has been a barrel of fun, lets never come back here..ever :help:

[George Foster]

not to rehash the play but I missed it, did he hit a infield pop-up and did not run it out?

Did anybody hear what Marty said on the radio about pulling him? Thanks