4/17/07 - Brewers @ Reds

[Danny Serafini]

This looks interesting:

Ryan Freel 3B
Josh Hamilton CF
Adam Dunn LF
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Brandon Phillips 2B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Alex Gonzalez SS
Javier Valentin C
Matt Belisle P

Brewers lineup
Rickie Weeks 2B
J.J. Hardy SS
Prince Fielder 1B
Bill Hall CF
Johnny Estrada C
Geoff Jenkins LF
Kevin Mench RF
Craig Counsell 3B
Dave Bush P

[cincy09]

Time to rely on Matt Belisle to take care of business again!

The Reds lineup looks fairly strong.......B. Phillips is where he belongs, and it's nice to see Gonzo back in there!

[OesterPoster]

Some of those guys have killed Bush in the past. His ERA at GABP last year alone was over 16. Of course, to counter that, you have Bill Hall. In 6 ABs against Belisle, he has 2 hits, both HRs.

I think this Reds lineup should score a bunch of runs.

[camisadelgolf]

The Brewers have only one left-hander in the bullpen (Brian Shouse, who was once traded for Enrique Cruz, who was just DFAed by the Reds today), and I think that makes this a great lineup.

[Matt700wlw]

Cue the Narron bashers for sitting EE....


:p:

[LincolnparkRed]

Cue the Narron bashers for sitting EE....

Sung to the tune of "send in the clowns"

[edabbs44]

Cue the Narron bashers for sitting EE....


:p:

Cue EdE to start complaining about lack of playing time.

Then cue Freel's complaints.

Then cue Hamilton to get involved as the nice guy, saying "I'm just glad for the opportunity." Then complaining when he's only playing 4 games per week in the 2nd half.

Haven't we seen this before?

[Patrick Bateman]

Cue EdE to start complaining about lack of playing time.

Then cue Freel's complaints.

Then cue Hamilton to get involved as the nice guy, saying "I'm just glad for the opportunity." Then complaining when he's only playing 4 games per week in the 2nd half.

Haven't we seen this before?


This assuming Griffey stays healthy.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Haven't we seen this before?

No, this is different. If EdE sits consistently 3-5 times a week, or if Hamilton fails to play well, there will be complaints, otherwise the fact that Freel spells EdE and BP is the correct path to take.

Actually, I'd like to see Freel be the everyday catcher. That would answer most problems this team has (except for the defense part of catcher).

[BRM]

I can live with that lineup. The Reds need another good performance from Belisle tonight.

[klw]

Cue EdE to start complaining about lack of playing time.

Then cue Freel's complaints.

Then cue Hamilton to get involved as the nice guy, saying "I'm just glad for the opportunity." Then complaining when he's only playing 4 games per week in the 2nd half.

Haven't we seen this before?


Then cue suggestion of trading Jr to the Yankees for Phillip Hughes and Humberto to free up an outfield slot and money.
Then cue suggestion of throwing Milton in the mix to "sweeten" the pot.
:)

[TeamBoone]

Edwin finally gets a hit and now he's benched.

[EddieMilner]

Anyone else surprised that JN didn't try a righty at clean-up between Dunn and Griffey? Obviously no righty in this lineup should hit 4th, but it wouldn't have surprised me to see BP in there.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Edwin finally gets a hit and now he's benched.

I agree. I think he was starting to turn it around. He has been hitting the ball hard recently. I would have rather seen freel at 2nd

[jfar23]

Take out Griffey and put back in Edwin and we're onto something.

[joshnky]

Take out Griffey and put back in Edwin and we're onto something.

Neither one is playing great so I'm all for going with the lefthander.

[Redleg75]

Then cue the Encarnacion and Machado for Brad Gulden and Duane Walker chatter.......then cue the Alex Trevino defensive liability schtick with a circle change pitching coach....We need Soto back to help start as many fights as possible.

[CTA513]

Heres some career stats for the hitters vs. pitchers (from ESPN).


Brewers vs. Belisle
Rickie Weeks: (.500 AVG) 4 for 8 with 2 doubles, 1 BB and 2 Ks
J.J. Hardy: (.400 AVG) 4 for 10 with 2 RBIs and 4 Ks
Prince Fielder: (.500 AVG) 1 for 2
Bill Hall: (.333 AVG) 2 for 6 with 2 HRs, 2 RBIs and 1 K
Johnny Estrada: (1.000 AVG) 4 for 4 with 2 doubles and 2 RBIs
Geoff Jenkins: (.400 AVG) 4 for 10 with 2 RBIs and 4 Ks
Kevin Mench: 0 ABs
Craig Counsell: 0 ABs
Dave Bush: 0 ABs


Reds vs. Bush
Ryan Freel: (.400 AVG) 2 for 5 with 1 HR, 2 RBIs, 1 BB and 1 K
Josh Hamilton: 0 ABs
Adam Dunn: (.222 AVG) 2 for 9 with 1 Double, 2 BB and 4 Ks
Ken Griffey Jr.: (.143 AVG) 1 for 7 with 1 HR, 3 RBIs, 1 BB and 2 Ks
Brandon Phillips: (.455 AVG) 5 for 11 with 1 Double, 1 RBI and 1 K
Scott Hatteberg: (.389 AVG) 7 for 18 with 2 Doubles, 1 HR, 3 RBIs, 2 BB and 1 K
Alex Gonzalez: 0 ABs
Javier Valentin: (1.000 AVG) 1 for 1 with 1 Double and 2 RBIs
Matt Belisle: 0 ABs

[reds44]

Why do you bench Edwin after he gets a hit?

[BRM]

Pretty good numbers against Bush for BP and Hat.

[VR]

Good to see all the game thread angst has turned this place around :laugh:

I'm glad Brew Crew have only Shouse as a lefty to go to.....although he has :owned: the Reds. Hatte, Griff, Dunn a combined 3-43.

[oneupper]

Pretty good numbers against Bush for BP and Hat.

Really good numbers for the Brewers vs. Belisle...:eek:

[BRM]

Really good numbers for the Brewers vs. Belisle...:eek:

Yeah, I noticed that.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Yeah, I noticed that.

anyone willing to go to the chat? We should probably just use this as a play by play type thing

[James B.]

Hamilton, Dunn, and Griffey batting together in the lineup has to be pretty scary for Bush.

[Stamford]

I really hope Freel has a good game tonight, really. However, I have watched every game this year with the exception of two (Tivo ROCKS!) and he is the guy who is driving me absolutely nuts. He seems lost at the plate -- swinging away 2-0 when the pitcher can't find the plate and we need a baserunner -- and in the field, if I have to watch him make one more routine play into a sliding, "I want to get a Webgem" circus act, I may just lose it. Add in a few baserunning blunders and you have a guy, billed as the "play the game the right way guy" who is playing with his head up his hindquarters. Granted, Edwin's bat has looked slow at times and other guys have looked lost (Ross for example), but Freel is just driving me to drink. Plus, how do you sit Edwin after he FINALLY seemed to be coming out of his funk last night. Just seems odd to sit him tonight when he finally seems to be getting back on track.

Then again, it is just one game...maybe I just need to chill. :D

[redsfan30]

According to Trent's blog, Josh Hamilton hit a ball over the right field stands in batting practice this afternoon.

That's unreal.

[NorrisHopper30]

According to Trent's blog, Josh Hamilton hit a ball over the right field stands in batting practice this afternoon.

That's unreal.

:eek:

[Stamford]

The announcers were saying last night that once Josh stops treating every at-bat like he has an 0-2 count and really starts looking for his pitch, we could really start seeing the power. They cited his batting practice performance. I guess 3 HR's in 18 ABs (if memory serves) isn't enough. ;)

[Dunner44]

The announcers were saying last night that once Josh stops treating every at-bat like he has an 0-2 count and really starts looking for his pitch, we could really start seeing the power. They cited his batting practice performance. I guess 3 HR's in 18 ABs (if memory serves) isn't enough. ;)

How many walks does he need to have... Hamilton has been pretty selective so far.

[Stamford]

I don't think they were saying he isn't selective. I think they were saying that he hasn't really "cut loose" with his swing -- that he is erring on the side of making contact and taking a more defensive stroke. In fact, I think they were paying him a compliment -- saying "hey, just wait until he starts looking for a pitch in his zone and really taking a full cut." Sorry if I didn't make that clear with my post.

[pahster]

How many walks does he need to have... Hamilton has been pretty selective so far.

4 walks.

[Degenerate39]

Take out Griffey and put back in Edwin and we're onto something.

Agreed

[Dom Heffner]

Take out Griffey and put back in Edwin and we're onto something.

That would be too easy, though Freel should really sit. How on earth he takes away at bats from anybody, I have no clue.

He's Chris Sabo without the bat.

I do like the idea of him catching, though.

I have this sinking feeling that Hamilton is going to be treated like he has to fight for a spot all year.

Why not take the reigns off and see what he can do full-time?

[PuffyPig]

Actually, I'd like to see Freel be the everyday catcher. That would answer most problems this team has (except for the defense part of catcher).

Other than the fact that he wears down fast enough when he plays the OF, such that catching should wear him down after a game or two, and other than the fact that he's probably caught only a few innings in his life, it sounds like a wonderful idea.

:help:

[Degenerate39]

According to Trent's blog, Josh Hamilton hit a ball over the right field stands in batting practice this afternoon.

That's unreal.

Well Hamilton is unreal.

[Far East]

Edwin finally gets a hit and now he's benched.
I agree, even some of his outs have been well hit.

But Freel adds the speed and possible table-setting factor early in the game, and EE would be a more potent late RBI threat if the right PH opportunity arises.

[registerthis]

What?

Redszone has a complaint about a lineup?

You don't say...

[Chip R]

Edwin finally gets a hit and now he's benched.


A lot of times what happens is that guys are told a few days in advance they are going to play or sit. Maybe EE was told even before last night's game that he was going to sit this one out.

[jimbo]

What?

Redszone has a complaint about a lineup?

You don't say...

I'm completely stunned.

[OnBaseMachine]

The Cardinals got smacked around by the Pirates and the lefty Gorzelanny today. It would be nice to win tonight and put another game between us and the Cardinals.

[Cyclone792]

Encarnacion sitting out tonight doesn't bother me too much. If he sits three games per week now, then I'll be a bit irritated, but I'll give Narron the benefit of the doubt for now ... until it happens (if it happens).

I've always believed that most players should get a day off for rest/reset the mind around every three weeks or so, and that includes guys such as Encarnacion and Phillips. Even if they sit once out of every dozen games or so, I'm fine with that provided the replacement is at least ok. Freel qualifies in that sense.

I'd love to see some sort of rotation where both Encarnacion and Phillips get one game off every two weeks with Freel filling in for those days. If all players were healthy thoughout the season, Encarnacion and Phillips would still play around 145 games each season, and Freel would log around 30 games in the infield.

Then give Griffey one day off per week and give Hamilton one day off per week with Freel filling in for them during those games. Griffey and Hamilton would still log around 140 games, and Freel gets 40 more games himself. Heck, give Adam Dunn a game off per month and let Freel fill in for that game too. That's six more games for Freel. Even give Dunn one or three starts at first base per month and give Freel even more games in the outfield, which in that case is sort of like Freel giving the 1B platoon a rest. That could be another dozen games for Freel.

If that type of system was implemented, then Ryan Freel would start around 90 games per season just as a side-effect of giving players some regular rest. That's not even counting any possible number of injuries where any of those core players may miss a few more games with Freel filling in for those too.

Those are some of the things I would do if I were managing the team. All the core every day players would still be playing basically full-time, and Freel himself would log a ton of plate appearances himself throughout the season.

[cincy09]

Encarnacion sitting out tonight doesn't bother me too much. If he sits three games per week now, then I'll be a bit irritated, but I'll give Narron the benefit of the doubt for now ... until it happens (if it happens).

I've always believed that most players should get a day off for rest/reset the mind around every three weeks or so, and that includes guys such as Encarnacion and Phillips. Even if they sit once out of every dozen games or so, I'm fine with that provided the replacement is at least ok. Freel qualifies in that sense.

I'd love to see some sort of rotation where both Encarnacion and Phillips get one game off every two weeks with Freel filling in for those days. If all players were healthy thoughout the season, Encarnacion and Phillips would still play around 145 games each season, and Freel would log around 30 games in the infield.

Then give Griffey one day off per week and give Hamilton one day off per week with Freel filling in for them during those games. Griffey and Hamilton would still log around 140 games, and Freel gets 40 more games himself. Heck, give Adam Dunn a game off per month and let Freel fill in for that game too. That's six more games for Freel. Even give Dunn one or three starts at first base per month and give Freel even more games in the outfield, which in that case is sort of like Freel giving the 1B platoon a rest. That could be another dozen games for Freel.

If that type of system was implemented, then Ryan Freel would start around 90 games per season just as a side-effect of giving players some regular rest. That's not even counting any possible number of injuries where any of those core players may miss a few more games with Freel filling in for those too.

Those are some of the things I would do if I were managing the team. All the core every day players would still be playing basically full-time, and Freel himself would log a ton of plate appearances himself throughout the season.


That sounds like it makes a little too much sense.

[keeganbrick]

Why is Cavs live on FSN right now?

[Degenerate39]

Why is Cavs live on FSN right now?

Reds Live is on for me but I have both FSN Ohio and Cincinnati.

[keeganbrick]

Man I'm in Columbus right now, this sucks if they show the Cavs game.

[Degenerate39]

Man I'm in Columbus right now, this sucks if they show the Cavs game.

FSN Ohio is showing the Cavs game.

[Degenerate39]

Wow the Reds are 2nd in the NL with stolen bases. The Dodgers are 1 stolen base ahead of them.

[cincy09]

Wow the Reds are 2nd in the NL with stolen bases. The Dodgers are 1 stolen base ahead of them.

I'd like to see the "Natural" get in on that act too!

[Matt700wlw]

Wow the Reds are 2nd in the NL with stolen bases. The Dodgers are 1 stolen base ahead of them.

Not bad for a team that has trouble getting on base

[VR]

The bad thing about Freel is he's on one of his cold streaks.

The good news is he's due for a hot streak....one like he was on June/ July of last year would work just fine.

[Degenerate39]

I have a feeling Dunn will homer tonight

[NorrisHopper30]

Wow the Reds are 2nd in the NL with stolen bases. The Dodgers are 1 stolen base ahead of them.

Dodgers are going to be tough to stop, they are first in steals and Furcal just got off the DL a day or 2 ago..

[jesusfan]

well I don't get to watch the Reds due to the Cavs! WHY? I live 6 hours away from Cleveland and 2 hours from Cincy!

[Degenerate39]

The Padres beat the Cubs in 14 innings today. I bet Sweet Lou is missing those heavy hitters in Soriano and Rameriez

[jesusfan]

My TV guide says the Red's game!

[Matt700wlw]

The Padres beat the Cubs in 14 innings today. I bet Sweet Lou is missing those heavy hitters in Soriano and Rameriez

"WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK WENT WRONG?"

"YOU SAW THE DAMN GAME!!"

Classic Lou from Friday night :D

[Degenerate39]

My TV guide says the Red's game!

The Cavs game is on FSN Ohio for me and the Reds are on FSN Cincinnati

[jesusfan]

I dont get FSN Cincinnati...

[NatiRedGals]

I get FSN Ohio and its playing the reds game here? But dosent matter to me im watching it on MLB.TV using the proxy i just told ya guys. Got a new Widescreen 19'' Screen LCD Flat for 179 !

[redlegs7089]

this blows and do u guys know if fsn runs cavs games during the nba playoffs?

[Fullboat]

Reds go all medieval on brewcrew tonight.

[Degenerate39]

Weeks flys out to Hamilton

[Reds Fanatic]

Weeks flies out to center.

[Marge'sMullet]

Greetings from Seoul. 8AM Wednesday morning here.

[Matt700wlw]

Look at that idiot Cubs "fan" sitting in the front row.

He must not know how to read a schedule

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to BP

[Degenerate39]

Greetings from Seoul. 8AM Wednesday morning here.

Good morning then. What a nice way to wake up with a Reds game.

[Chip R]

Look at that idiot Cubs "fan" sitting in the front row.

He must not know how to read


Fixed that for you.

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to BP 3 outs

[Matt700wlw]

Fixed that for you.

That works, too :)

[OnBaseMachine]

Great first inning by Belisle.

[foltza]

The Padres beat the Cubs in 14 innings today. I bet Sweet Lou is missing those heavy hitters in Soriano and Rameriez

ramirez was back in the line-up today, fyi

[Marge'sMullet]

Good morning then. What a nice way to wake up with a Reds game.

I could sleep until noon today if I want to but I'd rather watch the REDS.

[Matt700wlw]

Freel!

[Degenerate39]

Freel singles to right

[OnBaseMachine]

Hopefully the start of a hot streak for Freel.

[jesusfan]

Freel with a single!

[Matt700wlw]

Bloop!

He continues to hit pitches that aren't just fastballs....they're off the plate, they move, they sink.


Wow.

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton singles to left

[jesusfan]

Hambone!

[Matt700wlw]

Bush just hit 108 on the gun

:lol:

[Matt700wlw]

Bush follows up with an 85mph change up

:lol:

[Degenerate39]

Bush follows up with an 85mph change up

:lol:

He knows how to change speeds!

[Degenerate39]

Full count to Dunn

[SanDiegoRed]

Hamilton continues to amaze. I sure hope Jerry finds a way to keep him in the lineup every day.

[Matt700wlw]

He knows how to change speeds!

Trade for him!

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn chased ball four. He hasn't walked in 10 days.

[Degenerate39]

Dunn strikes out swinging

[larks]

He knows how to change speeds!

Joe had a good quote, "Thats some good arm action." :laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilton continues to amaze. I sure hope Jerry finds a way to keep him in the lineup every day.

There's no reason not to....all he's done is put on a clinic on how to play baseball

[jesusfan]

Dunn K's...

[Degenerate39]

Fan interference!

[Matt700wlw]

So close!

Griffey gets a double

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior doubles in a run as they call fan interference as the fan reached over the wall. 1-0 Reds!

[Chip R]

Our fans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubs fans. :D

[Razor Shines]

That would have scored two.

[jesusfan]

Griffey!!

[foltza]

wait, so it bounced and then a fan grabbed it or the fan grabbed it out of the air, but hanging over the wall?

[Reds Fanatic]

Hardy bobbles an easy play for the 2nd night in a row. 2-0 Reds. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

[Degenerate39]

BP hits the ball to Hardy. Hardy bobbles. Run scores everyone safe.

[MrCinatit]

Fortunately, the Phillips grounder scores a run - negating the run the fan cost us.

[Chip R]

That would have scored two.


Then I take what I said back... kinda. I thought that he would have caught it if the fan wouldn't have interfered. I'm listening to the radio. :dunno:

[Matt700wlw]

wait, so it bounced and then a fan grabbed it or the fan grabbed it out of the air, but hanging over the wall?

Yes. Fan reached over and snagged a fly ball

[Degenerate39]

wait, so it bounced and then a fan grabbed it or the fan grabbed it out of the air, but hanging over the wall?

Grabbed it out of the air it looked like

[Reds Fanatic]

wait, so it bounced and then a fan grabbed it or the fan grabbed it out of the air, but hanging over the wall?

Fan grabbed it out of the air hanging over the wall.

[jesusfan]

2-0 on the Hardy error!!

[Matt700wlw]

What was that?

[Degenerate39]

Hatte singles. BP out at 2nd

[OnBaseMachine]

Brandon Phillips. Wow. It's so easy to see why this team hasn't had a winning season since 2000.

[Reds Fanatic]

Weird play. Hatteberg singles. Berry holds Junior at 3rd. Phillips runs past 2nd and is caught off the base for the 2nd out.

[Matt700wlw]

Brandon Phillips. Wow. It's so easy to see why this team hasn't had a winning season since 2000.

He wasn't part of those, or those dreadful pitching staffs :D

[Degenerate39]

What was that?

I think he got confused because they were telling Griffey to go home but changed the call. I don't think it was BP's fault

[Chip R]

Is that Brandon Phillips or Felipe Lopez. ;)

[KronoRed]

Dunn chased ball four. He hasn't walked in 10 days.
:help:

[Matt700wlw]

I think he got confused because they were telling Griffey to go home but changed the call. I don't think it was BP's fault

It looked confusing

[Degenerate39]

Full count to Gonzo

[jesusfan]

3-2!

[Razor Shines]

I think he got confused because they were telling Griffey to go home but changed the call. I don't think it was BP's fault

I agree. The right fielder fielded that one almost on the infield, he must have been very shallow. BP was probably watching Berry, and when he stopped Jr. at the last second, BP was screwed.

[Degenerate39]

Gonzo pops up in foul territory. 3 outs

[cincy09]

That play was not entirely BP's fault.

Junior has to score there.

[forfreelin04]

2-0 after a half inning

[jesusfan]

2-0 Reds after 1... should have been more!

[OnBaseMachine]

Crap. That baserunning mistake preventued us from a potential huge inning. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite us in the butt.

[Reds Fanatic]

That should have been a lot more than a 2 run inning with Dunn chasing ball four and Phillips getting caught off 2nd.

[flyer85]

without the fan interference Jr wouldn't have got to 2nd he was jogging to first

[OnBaseMachine]

That play was not entirely BP's fault.

Junior has to score there.

True. No idea how Griff didn't score there, however, Phillips has to pay attention to those things.

[MrCinatit]

That play was not entirely BP's fault.

Junior has to score there.

Perhaps, but the throw by the right fielder was a laser - Junior would have been out by several feet, from the looks of it.

[jimbo]

That play was not entirely BP's fault.

Junior has to score there.

Was he being waved in or did Berry put the stop sign up late?

[jesusfan]

oh well... I'll take 2-0 after 1 anyday of the week and twice on Sundays...

[Degenerate39]

Was he being waved in or did Berry put the stop sign up late?

Put the stop sign up late.

[Degenerate39]

Hall singles up the middle

[Marge'sMullet]

should be 3-0 atleast, thanks to KGJ he wasn't running hard on a ground ball.

[jesusfan]

Bill Hall singles to center...

[captainmorgan07]

bill hall loves red pitching

[cincy09]

2 runs should be enough for Belisle anyway. :cool:

[jimbo]

Put the stop sign up late.

Then the fault lies with Berry, not Junior or Phillips.

[Degenerate39]

should be 3-0 atleast, thanks to KGJ he wasn't running hard on a ground ball.

Is 1 run really worth the possibility of Griffey getting hurt?

[vaticanplum]

I REALLY don't understand any part of a conversation that involves benching Encarnacion in favor of Freel at third.

[jimbo]

should be 3-0 atleast, thanks to KGJ he wasn't running hard on a ground ball.

Looked to me like he was running hard.

[Degenerate39]

Pop up in the infield Freel grabs it. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Looked to me like he was running hard.

He's just not that fast anymore

[jimbo]

I REALLY don't understand any part of a conversation that involves benching Encarnacion in favor of Freel at third.

I don't consider a day off a "benching."

[jimbo]

He's just not that fast anymore

Exactly.

[Chip R]

I REALLY don't understand any part of a conversation that involves benching Encarnacion in favor of Freel at third.


Maybe it was in Spanish. ;)

[Razor Shines]

without the fan interference Jr wouldn't have got to 2nd he was jogging to first

They didn't even show jr. until after he was around first base, and they showed him slowing down into a jog. I should let this stuff go, I know, but I really don't see how you could type what you did.

[SanDiegoRed]

Hal and Marty speculating on a Milton trade to the Skankees!

[Degenerate39]

Jenkins gone swinging.

[Matt700wlw]

Hal and Marty speculating on a Milton trade to the Skankees!

Do it....for absolutely nothing if need be.

[OnBaseMachine]

Belisle threw some high cheese past Jenkins for his first strikeout.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds have 6 road trips of 10 days or more this season......yikes


The Yankees have 4

[Degenerate39]

That fastball had some movement

[tipdogusaf]

Hal and Marty speculating on a Milton trade to the Skankees!


That would be sweet. maybe we could get their ball boy or something

[OnBaseMachine]

Brewers already on the board, 2-1. Damnit.

[Degenerate39]

Mench doubles in a run

[Matt700wlw]

That was nice...intentional walk pitch to the wall behind Valentin

[Degenerate39]

Mench goes to 3rd on a wild pitch on the pitch out

[jesusfan]

IBB to Counsell...

[NDRed]

Mench doubles Hall scores

[KronoRed]

I REALLY don't understand any part of a conversation that involves benching Encarnacion in favor of Freel at third.
Short sighted thinking to do such a thing on a permanent basis.

[Degenerate39]

Council gets the IBB. Bush is up

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Well, I guess what we know Beslisle will be practicing on his off days

[Tom Servo]

Well, I guess what we know Beslisle will be practicing on his off days
Between that and bunting he's got a lot of work to do.

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle getting rocked....

[OnBaseMachine]

Brewers take the lead. That mistake already cost us. Unreal.

[Degenerate39]

Bush doubles to center 2 runs score

[Reds Fanatic]

A 2 run double by the pitcher. Brewers lead 3-2.

[George Foster]

we need to get out ot this inning without any more damage.....

oh well, while I was typing:bang: :bang:

total lack of concentration by Belisle

[MrCinatit]

Hal and Marty speculating on a Milton trade to the Skankees!

Let them give us the same two guys we gave up for Womack. The symbolism alone would be classic.

[jesusfan]

okay... Belisle now sucks???

[NDRed]

Bush doubles 3-2

[OnBaseMachine]

What the hell is the problem with Reds pitchers constantly throwing great hitters pitches on 0-2 and 1-2 counts? Good grief.

[RedsManRick]

Walking the 8th hitter to get to the pitcher early in the game is right there with bunting a guy over. 1 run isn't a huge deal. Just don't extend the inning by giving them a free base runner when you have their 2nd worst hitter up.

[MrCinatit]

The club never has been known for playing intelligent ball.

[Tom Servo]

If I could eliminate one baseball team from the MLB, I would pick the Brewers and never look back.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel saved a run there keeping the ball in the infield.

[Degenerate39]

Infield single. Nice dive by Freel to stop it

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Almost a great play by Freel. Saved a run by knocking that ball down though.

[jesusfan]

Weeks steals 2nd...

[Matt700wlw]

Freel's dirty already

[Degenerate39]

Weeks steals 2nd

[jesusfan]

The Brewers can flat out rake!

[jesusfan]

2-2... we have to get Hardy...

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Hamilton 3 outs. 27 pitches that inning.

[jesusfan]

Hardy flies to Hamilton... 3-2 Brewers mid 2nd... Get em back!

[NDRed]

Hardy flies out to center

[George Foster]

To allow the pitcher to put up a 2 out two run double against you is horrible.
No concentration....

[Degenerate39]

Top 3rd: Boston
- W. Pena homered to deep center

[Tom Servo]

To allow the pitcher to put up a 2 out two run double against you is horrible.
No concentration....
And I could swear that type of thing happens to the Reds all the time.

[OnBaseMachine]

To allow the pitcher to put up a 2 out two run double against you is horrible.
No concentration....

Anybody can get a hit when you throw a pitch down the middle. You have a good slider, throw it in the dirt.

[jesusfan]

Valentin with an infield single! woo hoo.. bunt him over Belisle

[Degenerate39]

Javy with an infield single

[Matt700wlw]

To allow the pitcher to put up a 2 out two run double against you is horrible.
No concentration....

http://www.sonofnostalgiazone.com/prodimages/ConcentrationGame.jpg

[Falls City Beer]

The Brewers can flat out rake!

Just what I warned against: having faith in this pitching staff before they faced a real offense.

[jesusfan]

Belisle with a sac. bunt...

[Degenerate39]

Belisle with a nice bunt. Javy goes to 2nd.

[George Foster]

And I could swear that type of thing happens to the Reds all the time.


How many runs have been scored against us with 2 outs the last three series:
Arizona? Cubs? Brewers?....I have watched every game and I swear it's 85% of the runs scored against us.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Prince Fielder doing the splits- you see something new every day

[jesusfan]

Freel singles, Valentin scores 3-3 Tie game!

[OnBaseMachine]

Freel RBI single! 3-3 game.

[Degenerate39]

Freel with an RBI single!

[Reds Fanatic]

Tie game. Freel singles in a run. 3-3.

[jesusfan]

C'mon Joshy Washy!

[George Foster]

Taco movin' around third like a mack truck!!

[wojo1025]

Amazing what happens when our pitchers can put bunts down!


And wait, Javy can score from 2nd but Griff can't? That's not good

[George Foster]

God is up

[Falls City Beer]

Freel sucks. :devil:

[jesusfan]

3-2 count

[George Foster]

I swear Josh gets 20 pitches an at-bat

[jesusfan]

Hamilton drills the ball to Right who doubles off Freel to Jenkins... tough break!

[OnBaseMachine]

Hamilton ahead 3-1, possibily swung at ball 4 on a high fastball and then linesout to RF. Freel with yet another stupid baserunning mistake. This team can't run the bases.

[wojo1025]

Double play or not, if we could get the rest of this lineup to attack an AB the way that kid does, we'd win some ball games!!!

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton flys out to right. They throw the ball to 1st and get Freel. 3 outs.

[George Foster]

that ball was what they call a frozen rope...

[Matt700wlw]

Ball was stung.....but it went right to the guy. Had it not, Freel may have scored

[flyer85]

the baserunning blunders continue

[Razor Shines]

Amazing what happens when our pitchers can put bunts down!


And wait, Javy can score from 2nd but Griff can't? That's not good

Yeah, you and Jeff Brantly think that it was the exact same hit and play. Javy doesn't score either on that ball that jr. didn't score on. Freel might have scored on that but it would have been close.

[KYRed]

Hey Jer, please practice baserunning with the guuys on the next off day. Thanks!

[captainmorgan07]

unless that was a hit and run what was freel thinking

[Cooper]

That wasn't Freel's fault. That's silly.

[Tom Servo]

the baserunning blunders continue
certainly not playing the game the right way.

[Degenerate39]

I love those Miller High Life commercials

[jesusfan]

Wasn't Freel running on the pitch? How was that his fault then?

[TRF]

Hamilton ahead 3-1, possibil swung at ball 4 on a high fastball and then linesout to RF. Freel with yet another stupid baserunning mistake. This team can't run the bases.

ok, that's one interpretation. another was the hit and run was likely on, and Hamilton hit an at'um ball. Freel had no chance.

[flyer85]

unless that was a hit and run what was freel thinkinghe was running but it is pretty simple, you slow up and find the ball ... what you don't do is continue running around the bag.

[jimbo]

And wait, Javy can score from 2nd but Griff can't? That's not good

A lot easier scoring from second on a single up the middle than one to right field.

[jesusfan]

Belisle needs a big bounce-back inning right here...

[George Foster]

Freel was stealing....that ball was caught before he had a chance to throw on the breaks and retreat back to 1st.

[Matt700wlw]

unless that was a hit and run what was freel thinking

I think it was....it just didn't work.

It happens

[wojo1025]

http://home.student.uu.se/hape2405/aabf18_sarcasm_detector.jpg

[flyer85]

Freel was stealing....that ball was caught before he had a chance to throw on the breaks and retreat back to 1st.He had time to throw on the brakes and try to get back, he chose not to find the ball when he heard contact. On a steal he would have been slightly more than halfway to 2nd when contact was made.

[Degenerate39]

Full count to Prince

[OnBaseMachine]

Great pitch by Belisle to K Fielder.

[Degenerate39]

And Prince is out on strikes. Belisles 2nd K of the game

[Cooper]

Griffey slowed up found the ball and ended up on 3rd base. He took a shot and tried to push it.

[jesusfan]

Belisle K's Fielder...

[Matt700wlw]

He had time to throw on the brakes and try to get back, he chose not to find the ball when he heard contact. On a steal he would have been slightly more than halfway to 2nd when contact was made.

On a positive note, the game is now tied

[jimbo]

Freel was stealing....that ball was caught before he had a chance to throw on the breaks and retreat back to 1st.

Wasn't that more of a hit-and-run? He needs to be watching the ball pitched and where it's hit on a a hit-and-run as opposed to a steal.

[Jr's Boy]

Joe's on the mic,yay!:)

[jesusfan]

Hall singles up the middle on another 0-2 count!!!

[Degenerate39]

Hall singles up the middle

[Falls City Beer]

Hamilton's ball was hit too hard for Freel to retreat. I agree with Cooper; not Freel's fault.

[OnBaseMachine]

Matt Belisle again throws a 0-2 pitch right down the middle. The Cincinnati Reds aren't the brightest team in baseball, folks. That's a fact.

[jfar23]

The Reds really need to acquire Hall so they don't have to face him anymore.

[jesusfan]

Estrada doubles to right... 4-3 Brew Crew... Wow!

[Degenerate39]

Johnny doubles to right center. The run scores

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle looking Milton-esque tonight - except so far, his balls are staying in the park

[Jr's Boy]

Sounds like Joe was eating when he was reading off the scores.

[OnBaseMachine]

Belisle deserved to give up that run. It's just stupid to continually throw 0-2 pitches right down the middle. Unreal. You would think they would learn after a while.

[captainmorgan07]

belisle leaving everything up high tonite