4-22 vs Phillies -- No Griffey again

[Matt700wlw]

That's one hell of a sickness....

I'll post a lineup when I get it

[Tom Servo]

Manager Charlie Manuel said Ryan Howard, who wasn't in the lineup for the third- straight game, has improved and is expected to start this afternoon.

:help:

[VR]

That's one hell of a sickness....

I'll post a lineup when I get it

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but that grassy knoll is looking more and more credible.

[edabbs44]

Very odd.

[Matt700wlw]

If there's something more is wrong with him, I wish they'd just say it....it's so secretive when it comes to Junior....it gets old.

[Chip R]

Game threads aren't to be started until a lineup is posted.

[Matt700wlw]

Phillies
Jimmy Rollins SS
Shane Victorino RF
Chase Utley 2B
Ryan Howard 1B
Wes Helms 3B
Greg Dobbs LF
Aaron Rowand CF
Carlos Ruiz C
Freddy Garcia P

Reds
Ryan Freel CF
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Brandon Phillips 2B
Josh Hamilton RF
Adam Dunn LF
Javier Valentin C
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Alex Gonzalez SS
Matt Belisle P

[Prf15]

Wow, Narron put Valentin ahead of Edwin.:angry:

[Tommyjohn25]

Wow, Narron put Valentin ahead of Edwin.:angry:

Strange? Yes. But at this stage it may be a ploy to take a little pressure off of Edwin, the kid has pressed all season long so far and showed signs last night that he may be ready to snap out of it. If Narron thinks hiding him lower in the order will ease his mind a bit for the greater good of the future of his season, then I'm all for it.


Then again Narron could just be an idiot. :D ;)

[Joseph]

I kind of agree with you TJ25, I think he's looking to take the pressure off the kid.

[Matt700wlw]

I would have put the pitcher ahead of Dunn just to piss him off...

:)

[Falls City Beer]

This game is winnable. They need to take it.

[LvJ]

I don't care what the lineup is, just win. :o

[Matt700wlw]

This game is winnable. They need to take it.

Righty on the mound (for the Phils) who frankly isn't that good

[edabbs44]

Garcia has been hittable for the past few seasons. Hopefully Matty B can step up today with Howard back.

[vaticanplum]

Watch this be the day Garcia pitches up to his ability.

I like Garcia. But that's also because I like Garcia.

[Matt700wlw]

Watch this be the day Garcia pitches up to his ability.

I like Garcia. But that's also because I like Garcia.

You like everybody :)

[Falls City Beer]

Watch this be the day Garcia pitches up to his ability.

I like Garcia. But that's also because I like Garcia.

I would think the facial hair arabesques would be considered declasse.

[Degenerate39]

At least Ross isn't playing

[edabbs44]

Garcia looks like The Rock.

[vaticanplum]

I would think the facial hair arabesques would be considered declasse.

This is normally true (and is a phrase I will be implementing into my vocabulary), but Garcia is given a pass due to his performance in the 2005 postseason, his interesting jewelry, and, uh, his previous run-ins with the law.

And Matt, there are plenty of players I don't like, but I don't talk about them here for fear of unintentional insulting of our fellow board members. But for the most part, yes, I'm indiscriminating.

[reds44]

I have to think Griffey is hurt.

[Matt700wlw]

I have to think Griffey is hurt.

I wish they'd just say it

[reds44]

I wish they'd just say it
We've been through this before, you know they won't. They just decided to skip the "day-to-day" label, and not say anything about it. Soon enough he will be on the DL.

[Matt700wlw]

We've been through thi before, you know they won't. They just decided to skip the "day-to-day" label, and not say anything about it. Soon enough he will be on the DL.

It's a headache

[reds44]

Freddy Garcia has nothing left in his arm. We should score today.

[vaticanplum]

I'm going through some yahoo photos of the last couple of weeks of Reds games, and I just noticed that the away uniforms have double stripes on the sleeves. Great choice. I love the details on these uniforms.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070411/483/355a18cb0d734c169430a88d0a7ecdae

And tell me these home uniforms don't look sharp:

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070417/483/ffe84e1c1ebd4831b099919930086b2e

[reds44]

I love our Sunday red uni's.

[Matt700wlw]

I think they're wearing green today

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey's not hurt....It is medical.


That's all I can say.


I do think he is available today to pinch hit.

[vaticanplum]

Griffey's not hurt....It is medical.


That's all I can say.

Well, that would be why they're not talking about it then.

Hope he's ok :(

[reds44]

Griffey's not hurt....It is medical.


That's all I can say.
Is it something serious, or can you not say that?

Whatever it is, I hope he's alright.

[Matt700wlw]

Is it something serious, or can you not say that?

Don't really know, but probably couldn't say even if I did.

[Matt700wlw]

Anyway....let's play ball, I don't have all day :)

[Matt700wlw]

I thought they were supposed to wear green for Earth Day today...

[Matt700wlw]

The whole pitcher-catcher not on the same page with Javy has begun...

[captainmorgan07]

rollins grounds to hatteberg who flips to belisle for out number 1

[Matt700wlw]

There goes the no hitter ;)

[captainmorgan07]

victorino singles

[captainmorgan07]

everybody heats up against the reds

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle not fooling anybody

[captainmorgan07]

1.73 era for the reds starting pitchers over the last 4 games

[reds44]

Walk Howard. Please.

[captainmorgan07]

utley doubles victorino to third

[Matt700wlw]

The Phillies respect Hamilton's arm - as they should

[Raisor]

Griffey's not hurt....It is medical.


That's all I can say.


I do think he is available today to pinch hit.

It better not be the Ebola virus.

[captainmorgan07]

The Phillies respect Hamilton's arm - as they should

he does have a very good one

[captainmorgan07]

howard with sac fly victorino scores utley to third 2 outs 1-0 phils

[Matt700wlw]

It better not be the Ebola virus.

It's not the ebola virus.


:laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

howard with sac fly victorino scores utley to third 2 outs 1-0 phils

Adam Dunn is in awe ;)

[reds44]

This team hasn't scored 2 runs in 9 innings all series. Hopefully they do today.

[reds44]

Belisle coming back to earth.

[captainmorgan07]

basehit by phillips utley scores 2-0 phils belisle struggles in the first

[Red in Chicago]

wes freakin' helms with the rbi single...ugh

[Matt700wlw]

That may be enough runs to win this bad boy...the way this Reds offense hasn't performed.

[captainmorgan07]

marty just said the reds should take helms aproach and go the other way with some of there hits and he's darn right

[captainmorgan07]

phillips climbed the ladder to get that one 2-0 phils after half of the first

[Wheelhouse]

Anyone for chat?

[captainmorgan07]

freel crushes one just foul of homerun

[KronoRed]

Like a poster said yesterday stomach bugs can knock you out for 4 days and then when you're getting better I doubt you want to stand for 3 hours in the sun.

No grassy knoll here guys ;)

[captainmorgan07]

freel grounds out 1 out

[captainmorgan07]

jb like hatte in the 2 hole

[Matt700wlw]

Carl Lindner's birthday today.

[captainmorgan07]

hatte grounds out to first 2 outs

[Razor Shines]

Strike? Wow.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice ovation for Josh

[captainmorgan07]

bphill hit by pitch

[edabbs44]

Rally...rally...

[Matt700wlw]

He obliterated that bat

[edabbs44]

Broken bat fly out to RF for Josh.

[Falls City Beer]

This is why I said that no one knows what we have in Matt Belisle as a MLB starter. He's been okay to start the season, but it could get really ugly with him really fast.

[WebScorpion]

As long as Matt settles down this inning, I'm not too worried. I expect the Reds lefties to generate some offense against Garcia...would have been nice if Griff could have added a little more punch. ;)

[Raisor]

Carl Lindner's birthday today.

Three more to go until he beats Noah.

[WebScorpion]

This is why I said that no one knows what we have in Matt Belisle as a MLB starter. He's been okay to start the season, but it could get really ugly with him really fast.

I agree. There hasn't been enough season for anyone who doesn't have a prior record of success to be 'proven'. That said, we have a few players I consider proven who are currently underacheiving. Hopefully, they'll have some hot streaks to catch up with their norm.

[vaticanplum]

I have railed against getting cable TV my entire adult life. I don't want the extra drain on my time, I don't want to pay the money, I have railed against it as a moral decay and as something responsible for the decline of family time and outdoor activity.

Marty Brenneman is thisclose to making me renege on all of that.

[Razor Shines]

Well his two seamer is movin' nice today.

[RFS62]

Narron briefly alluded to Junior's ailment the other day on the pregame show.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.

[Red in Chicago]

I have railed against getting cable TV my entire adult life. I don't want the extra drain on my time, I don't want to pay the money, I have railed against it as a moral decay and as something responsible for the decline of family time and outdoor activity.

Marty Brenneman is thisclose to making me renege on all of that.

it's just tv;)

[Matt700wlw]

Narron briefly alluded to Junior's ailment the other day on the pregame show.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.

Yes he did....I don't think he was supposed to, though

[RFS62]

Yes he did....I don't think he was supposed to, though


Yeah, that was the impression I had too. They quickly moved on as if he hadn't said anything.

[Falls City Beer]

I have railed against getting cable TV my entire adult life. I don't want the extra drain on my time, I don't want to pay the money, I have railed against it as a moral decay and as something responsible for the decline of family time and outdoor activity.

Marty Brenneman is thisclose to making me renege on all of that.

:laugh:

But yes, cable is a scam. I've never had it. All it's done is make me pop-culturally deficient.

[KronoRed]

I have railed against getting cable TV my entire adult life. I don't want the extra drain on my time, I don't want to pay the money, I have railed against it as a moral decay and as something responsible for the decline of family time and outdoor activity.

Marty Brenneman is thisclose to making me renege on all of that.

MLB.tv, save the children.

[RFS62]

There are a handful of things on cable tv that make it worth all the worthless dreck that come with it.

Discovery HD, HBO's original programming, and sports make it worth the price of admission.

[Matt700wlw]

I had free cable for 9 months....it was never turned off from the previous tenant in my apartment.

The cable company has since realized the error and turned it off.....I haven't decided if feel like paying for it yet.

[reds44]

At least he didn't K I guess.

[vaticanplum]

The cable company has since realized the error and turned it off.....I haven't decided if feel like paying for it yet.

Don't bother...no need as you're blessed enough to still enjoy Marty :)

[RedEye]

There are a handful of things on cable tv that make it worth all the worthless dreck that come with it.

Discovery HD, HBO's original programming, and sports make it worth the price of admission.

Add the The Food Network, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report for me.

[Matt700wlw]

Don't bother...no need as you're blessed enough to still enjoy Marty :)

I'm never home anyway

[RedEye]

Add the The Food Network, The Daily Show and The Colbert Report for me.

And reruns of any Law & Order show.

[TheBigLebowski]

Freddy Garcia is one of the most bow-legged dudes I have ever seen.

[reds44]

Edwin's still jumping at the high pitches.

[Matt700wlw]

Firing Chris Chambliss did what exactly?

[flynn78]

Do we even need bats? I'm thinking of asking opposing teams to be all-time offense, like on the playground when you had the all-time pitcher.

[flynn78]

Firing Chris Chambliss did what exactly?

Gave us one less coach who played for the Yankees.

[Marge'sMullet]

Firing Chris Chambliss did what exactly?


It promoted a minor league hitting coach, which was surposed to help Dunn.

[Matt700wlw]

It promoted a minor league hitting coach, which was surposed to help Dunn.

I'm convinced that Adam Dunn cannot be fixed. He is what he is.

[reds44]

This teams going to be worse then I thought.

No way did I expect this offense to be this bad. This game's done.

[CTA513]

How many do the Phillies score this inning?

[flynn78]

Belisle in trouble with runners on 1st and 3rd. Check that runners at 2nd and 3rd, Reds down 3-0.

[Matt700wlw]

sigh

[reds44]

9-10
2-5 homestand

Joy.

[Red in Chicago]

can't you just smell the helms grand slam coming:rolleyes:

[CTA513]

How many good starts have the Reds starters pitched with Valentin behind the plate (this year)?

[Matt700wlw]

can't you just smell the helms grand slam coming:rolleyes:

I thought somebody farted

[flynn78]

I feel like I'm rooting for the Titanic sometimes.

[Raisor]

I'm convinced that Adam Dunn cannot be fixed. He is what he is.

I'm convinced he's not actually, you know, BROKEN.

Let Dunn be Dunn. Slumps happen.

[TheBigLebowski]

Why do I allow myself to care? Pointless.

[RedEye]

Belisle comes back to earth, offense remains a futile pursuit. I'm starting to feel like this is the game where the early season optimism officially ends.

[flynn78]

To be equal opportunity, good K Matt.

[RedEye]

BTW, who the heck is Greg Dobbs?

[Matt700wlw]

I'm convinced he's not actually, you know, BROKEN.

Let Dunn be Dunn. Slumps happen.

He's in a slump more than he's not.

[Matt700wlw]

BTW, who the heck is Greg Dobbs?

Somebody whose name rhymes with Roy Hobbs

[KronoRed]

Let Dunn be Dunn. Slumps happen.

No! he must be Mickey Mantle :evil:

[RedEye]

Somebody whose name rhymes with Roy Hobbs

Somebody who has never been in my mother's kitchen.

[Gandalf the Red]

BTW, who the heck is Greg Dobbs?

Someone who's never been in my kitchen

http://auctioneo.com/images/cliffclaven.jpg

ETA: beaten.

[TheBigLebowski]

Belisle just hung two pitches in a row.

[RedEye]

Someone who's never been in my kitchen

http://auctioneo.com/images/cliffclaven.jpg

ETA: beaten.

Ah yes... Cliffy. I believe you got the quote correct. Why does that character's plight seem so much like the condition of being a Reds fan these days?

[CTA513]

No glove Dunn just saved Belisle a run or two.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice catch by Dunner!

[curedsfan]

Nice play by Dunn in LF.

That at bat by Dobbs leaves me wondering if the Reds have anyone on their squad that could have delivered an at bat like that in the same situation?

[Matt700wlw]

Nice play by Dunn in LF.

That at bat by Dobbs leaves me wondering if the Reds have anyone on their squad that could have delivered an at bat like that in the same situation?

#33 probably could.

[Raisor]

He's in a slump more than he's not.


To quote myself:




Dunn's on pace to create 120 runs this sesason. That would have been good enough for 10th in the NL last year.

Anti-Dunn folks, it's not a Dunn problem. It's a YOU problem.

[WebScorpion]

BTW, who the heck is Greg Dobbs?

Someone who knows how to hit a sac fly?

[RedEye]

Nice play by Dunn in LF.

That at bat by Dobbs leaves me wondering if the Reds have anyone on their squad that could have delivered an at bat like that in the same situation?

Is your username "C U Reds Fan" or "Cured S Fan"? :D

[Matt700wlw]

To quote myself:

That pace won't last.


I would LOVE it too, though.

[RedEye]

Is your username "C U Reds Fan" or "Cured S Fan"? :D

Sometimes I think about changing mine to "Cured Reds Fan" -- although I guess that would probably mark my departure from the forum as well.

[reds44]

To quote myself:
You think Dunn will hit .290 this year?

[RedEye]

You think Dunn will hit .290 this year?

I'm hoping for .260 with a .380 OBP. Then we'll be partying like it's 2004!

[Redlegs23]

Since it would take a miraculous offensive effort from our guys to win this game, I think I'm going to go out and enjoy the nice day by hitting some golf balls. Good luck Reds fans.

[WebScorpion]

Sometimes I think about changing mine to "Cured Reds Fan" -- although I guess that would probably mark my departure from the forum as well.

I actually hope to never be cured. I was in remission from 1995-1998 though. ;)

[curedsfan]

Is your username "C U Reds Fan" or "Cured S Fan"? :D

CU for Clemson, which is where I went to school. :)

I hope we start hitting Garcia in this game. I get so mad when I spend a gorgeus Sunday inside watching my team lose!!!

[Falls City Beer]

The new Matt Belisle Experiment CD gets 1 1/2 stars.

[PuffyPig]

Garcia BABIP this game: 0-6
Belisle BABIP this game: 7-12

[WebScorpion]

Since it would take a miraculous offensive effort from our guys to win this game, I think I'm going to go out and enjoy the nice day by hitting some golf balls. Good luck Reds fans.

I have yard work to do, but the game is helping me put it off. :D

[Raisor]

That pace won't last.


I would LOVE it too, though.

Even if he's as "bad" as he was last year, he was 20th in the NL.

Let me say that again. Dunn at his "worst" last year still created more runs then all but 19 NL players.

[TheBigLebowski]

The new Matt Belisle Experiment CD gets 1 1/2 stars.

He's not Roger Clemens but, I'm sold on him. He'll be a solid back-of-the-rotation guy for us, provided he stays healthy.

4 runs in 3 IP notwithstanding, Belisle is not what will lose us this game. Our team's complete and total inability to compete offensively will. Or our bullpen.

[Matt700wlw]

Freel!

[vaticanplum]

I'm hoping for .260 with a .380 OBP. Then we'll be partying like it's 2004!

What! A good but still realistic expectation! INAPPROPRIATE.

[vaticanplum]

Freel hits a triple! Hott.

[Matt700wlw]

What! A good but still realistic expectation! INAPPROPRIATE.

I hope he does....

[Red in Chicago]

wow, rowand misplayed that one...

[TheBigLebowski]

I was hoping for an inside-the-parker. All that will do is leave us disappointed when Hatte strands him at 3rd.

[WebScorpion]

Alright Farney! now steal home... :rolleyes:

Hey, at least the no-hitter is over. <Whew!>

[Matt700wlw]

Horrible strike call.


These umps need some of that lasik plus that sponsors them on our broadcast

[TheBigLebowski]

awful call

[Eric_Davis]

Glad Narron is batting Dunn 5th. You just can't have a guy who doesn't make contact with the ball batting 2nd. That spot needs to at the very least, move a runner over via a ground ball...long flyout to right....sacrifice....sacrifice fly....anything.

[reds44]

Shocking.

[Fil3232]

Glad Narron is batting Dunn 5th. You just can't have a guy who doesn't make contact with the ball batting 2nd. That spot needs to at the very least, move a runner over via a ground ball...long flyout to right....sacrifice....sacrifice fly....anything.

Yeah, those weak Hatte groundouts are making me warm and tingly!!! Horray contact!

[TheBigLebowski]

Yeah. That's all I needed to see. Too pretty outside to let these guys bring me down. Think I'll go walk the dogs or something. Pretty much anything is better than this.

Good day.

[Eric_Davis]

Can't think of a better player I'd want batting behind Freel than Hatteberg. He's smart...he reads situations and adjusts his at-bats accordingly.

Don't care if he did ground out to third. We had our best chance in that situation with Hatteberg up at the plate.

[RedEye]

What! A good but still realistic expectation! INAPPROPRIATE.

And, with a slight up-tick in luck, we could be looking at a .270, .390, 48-115 monster. I bet that will have many people changing their tunes. It's too early to jump of the Dunnwagon yet, folks. Give him a chance.

[KronoRed]

It's time to go to extreme measures

We're going to need a live chicken.

[reds44]

And, with a slight up-tick in luck, we could be looking at a .270, .390, 48-115 monster. I bet that will have many people changing their tunes. It's too early to jump of the Dunnwagon yet, folks. Give him a chance.
If you are hoping for that from Dunn, you're going to be dissapointed year after year after year.

[Falls City Beer]

I guarantee the Reds will score enough runs to win this game. But they won't win it.

[Eric_Davis]

Yeah, those weak Hatte groundouts are making me warm and tingly!!! Horray contact!

Better than watching the ball into the catcher's mitt and turning around and walking back to the dugout. At least with the ball in play anything can happen. Nothing can happen with a strikeout. Dunn just doesn't think about what's best for the situation.

[RedEye]

He's not Roger Clemens but, I'm sold on him. He'll be a solid back-of-the-rotation guy for us, provided he stays healthy.

4 runs in 3 IP notwithstanding, Belisle is not what will lose us this game. Our team's complete and total inability to compete offensively will. Or our bullpen.

I agree. He's not going to be any worse than Uncle Milty... and probably a reasonable amount better.

[reds44]

What! A good but still realistic expectation! INAPPROPRIATE.
He won't hit .260.

Here's a good expectation. Don't hit around .210 with RISP and don't challenge the strikeout record every year.

[Falls City Beer]

I agree. He's not going to be any worse than Uncle Milty... and probably a reasonable amount better.

He's never thrown a full season before as a starter. I'd say he's a long shot.

[RedEye]

He's never thrown a full season before as a starter. I'd say he's a long shot.

I think Milton is a long shot as well. The only problem is we're paying him $9 million, so we have to pretend he's a short shot.

[Marge'sMullet]

Ok, this in when the REDS score some runs. Hopefully Dunn hits a 3 runner.

[Falls City Beer]

I think Milton is a long shot as well. The only problem is we're paying him $9 million, so we have to pretend he's a short shot.

Well, that's sort of the point. This rotation is 3/5th long shots. That's not a winning formula.

[RedEye]

He won't hit .260.

Here's a good expectation. Don't hit around .210 with RISP and don't challenge the strikeout record every year.

If he does that, he'll improve his numbers. If Dunn puts more balls in play, his stats will go up. Remember, he still drives in around 100 even when he's "underperforming" by your standards. A few more points with RISP should bring him up to 110 RBI or so.

[reds44]

If he does that, he'll improve his numbers. If Dunn puts more balls in play, his stats will go up. Remember, he still drives in around 100 even when he's "underperforming" by your standards. A few more points with RISP should bring him up to 110 RBI or so.
And what tells who he will improve with RISP?

[RedEye]

And what tells who he will improve with RISP?

Not sure I understand the question.

[flynn78]

It's time to go to extreme measures

We're going to need a live chicken.

What?!??!?!
4743

[Matt700wlw]

Josh crushed that for a hit.

[reds44]

Come on Dunner. Shut me up, for now.

[Marge'sMullet]

show me up too

[RedEye]

How about a sac fly. At least? Please?

[flynn78]

Marty just giving it to Dunner again! The Cowboy is defending him.

[Matt700wlw]

Jeff: "You have to believe Adam Dunn will start hitting sometime."

Marty: "Why would you think that?"

:laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

Wow.

[reds44]

Hey, he's going to be in the top 10 in runs produced.

[forfreelin04]

at some point, you have to believe it is in his head

[flynn78]

Dunn is just clueless right now 26 K's in 68 AB's.

[reds44]

at some point, you have to believe it is in his head
Or, he just has massive, gaping holes in his swing.

[Marge'sMullet]

Dunn doesn't learn, his baseball IQ is Forrest Gumpish.

[RedEye]

Maybe we should stop talking about Adam Dunn now. It's making me depressed.

[forfreelin04]

Or, he just has massive, gaping holes in his swing.

Not with nobody on base :rolleyes:

[flynn78]

Dunn doesn't learn, his baseball IQ is Forrest Gumpish.

That may be giving him too much credit Marge.

[reds44]

Garcia has 2 Ks today.

Belisle and Dunn. Which one is easier to K?

[flynn78]

Javy knows sac flies, 4-1 badguys.

[reds44]

Now was that too much to ask?

[forfreelin04]

A sac fly..... worthless :dunno:

[Matt700wlw]

Josh steals!

Nice slide.

[flynn78]

Hamilton steals 2nd.

[RedEye]

While I'm not a Dunn hater, I'm getting the distinct feeling that this team will never win when the two main threats in the lineup are Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey Junior. It's just not going to happen.

I wish we could fast-forward the team two years right now to when Votto, Bruce and Stubbs are anchoring a young, up-and-coming lineup with crafty veteran 2B Brandon Phillips and inspirational comeback MVP Josh Hamilton providing leadership. That'll be awesome.

[edabbs44]

Dunn has now struck out in 50&#37; of his ABs with RISP.

[CTA513]

Someone show Dunn what the strike zone is.

[reds44]

It's going to be a long year if 44 and 12 keep hitting like this.

[Falls City Beer]

If the Reds could play the Reds, I bet they could actually win a few. Because they can't seem to beat any other cellar dweller.

[flynn78]

EE to Louisville as far as I am concerned. Not good on either side of the ball at this point.

[savafan]

Someone show Dunn what the strike zone is.

Dunn's OBP shows that he knows what the strikezone is. I'm no sports psychologist, but I believe that Dunn is pressing because he feels that the entire Reds offense is on his shoulders, especially when Junior is out of the lineup, and he's trying to pull everything.

[CTA513]

.175 for Double E.

[Falls City Beer]

While I'm not a Dunn hater, I'm getting the distinct feeling that this team will never win when the two main threats in the lineup are Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey Junior. It's just not going to happen.

I wish we could fast-forward the team two years right now to when Votto, Bruce and Stubbs are anchoring a young, up-and-coming lineup with crafty veteran 2B Brandon Phillips and inspirational comeback MVP Josh Hamilton providing leadership. That'll be awesome.

This team could have the offense of the 95 Indians or the 2004 Red Sox, and they'd still be a clunker.

It's the pitching, I promise you.

[ochoa30]

another terrible AB for edwin. He has a 2-0 count and he swings at two breaking pitches that were balls. Unbelievable. This is brutal, a guy who sits out 3 years is showing up these other guys every AB.

[thatcoolguy_22]

EE to Louisville as far as I am concerned. Not good on either side of the ball at this point.

ahhh I know exactly what you're saying send our only RH bat that is worth his salt and send him to louisville... makes sense. He is hitting the ball well but is hitting everything right at people. BABIP unlucky

[CTA513]

Dunn's OBP shows that he knows what the strikezone is. I'm no sports psychologist, but I believe that Dunn is pressing because he feels that the entire Reds offense is on his shoulders, especially when Junior is out of the lineup, and he's trying to pull everything.

He gets plenty of walks, but always swings at the high pitch and barely ever makes contact with it. Sooner or later you have to stop swinging at it.

[Marc D]

Overall this teams offensive issue is the same as its been for years. Terrible plate discipline/pitch recognition.

I know they get their share of BB's but they swing at pitches that just make you shake your head.

Only improvement I recall seeing was when Chambliss came on board.

[Falls City Beer]

I'll bet my house that Belisle gives away the run they got back last half inning.

[thatcoolguy_22]

I'll bet my house that Belisle gives away the run they got back last half inning.

how much is it worth?

[Falls City Beer]

how much is it worth?

Quite a bit. Now. At the time I bought it, not so much.

[savafan]

I'll bet my house that Belisle gives away the run they got back last half inning.

You'll never learn, will you? ;)

[thatcoolguy_22]

Quite a bit. Now. At the time I bought it, not so much.

well ok then. I'll offer a couple cases of beer, 4 baseball cards, a 2001 jetta, 3 pairs of sunglasses and, a statue of gorucho marx that say he doesn't

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle K's Utley and Howard.....that's not bad :)

[paintmered]

Offering up your second-born this time around, FCB?

[Gandalf the Red]

Quite a bit. Now. At the time I bought it, not so much.

I was new to the board around that time, so I can't quite remember all the details--doesn't Jimmy Haynes own your house now?

[Tony Cloninger]

EE is not unlucky.....he has forgotten how to go the other way and makes, as previous posters have said, bad choices in going after pitches...even when he is ahead in the count.

But that is just about everyone on this team.....heck Conine is the only one who has not looked bad, for the most part........and he is too old for people to want to really care about him. Right now he is the only hitter i trust, along with Hamilton........to do anything of substance.

[Falls City Beer]

A Reds' pitcher striking out lefties. *jaw-drop*

[flynn78]

ahhh I know exactly what you're saying send our only RH bat that is worth his salt and send him to louisville... makes sense. He is hitting the ball well but is hitting everything right at people. BABIP unlucky

Duly noted. I agree, but the underachieving nature of our offense is so frustrating it makes me want to shake things up like this.

[Falls City Beer]

Here we go. Two out magic from Reds' pitching!

[RBA]

Nice Crowds this weekend for the Phillies. Something that I believe is more TV = More people are aware of the Reds = More fans in the seats. Most teams with good attendance broadcast most of their games.

[guttle11]

This offense is past the painful stage, and nearing sheer comedy. Boy, oh boy.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Duly noted. I agree, but the underachieving nature of our offense is so frustrating it makes me want to shake things up like this.

how about we shake it up by signing Beyonce to play 1B was from time to time. People would show up to the games at least...

[Falls City Beer]

If Griffey's in right, Dobbs is still circling the bases on that one.

[thatcoolguy_22]

Here we go. Two out magic from Reds' pitching!

So wheres my new place?;)

[RFS62]

OK, party at our new digs.

FCB, you are the man.

[CTA513]

Ryan Howard is getting close to .200

[RedEye]

How many good starts has this team wasted already? Three by Bronson, two by Lohse, at least one by Milty, right? Of course, it's not all on the offense... but when it's not, the bullpen blows up. Yep, sheer comedy. But more the gross out kind.

[RedEye]

Ryan Howard is getting close to .200

Actually he's at .213 or so. Painful since I traded my fantasy team away to get him. That was before I learned about "old player" skills and how bad the Phillies are as a team.

[flynn78]

how about we shake it up by signing Beyonce to play 1B was from time to time. People would show up to the games at least...

Can she hit? ;)

[RBA]

The mighty Norris Hopper is on deck!

[CTA513]

Actually he's at .213 or so. Painful since I traded my fantasy team away to get him. That was before I learned about "old player" skills and how bad the Phillies are as a team.

Hes down to .208 after striking out his last AB.

[CTA513]

Can she hit? ;)

She doesnt need to hit.

:p:

[edabbs44]

Gonzalez now hitting .250...that was a mighty quick descent. 2 for his last 18.

[guttle11]

Advance scouts must love being sent to watch the Reds.

"Uh, yeah, just throw curve balls."

"To who?"

"All of 'em."

[VR]

we'll be yearning for Hopper to get to his lifetime .640 minor league OPS real soon.

[Matt700wlw]

She doesnt need to hit.

:p:

I'd hit it

[edabbs44]

I'd hit it

Dirtbag. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey to pitch

[NDRed]

78 pitches for Garcia.

[Falls City Beer]

Some hard-hit balls. They'll get to him.

The main knock against the offense today is that they're not taking enough pitches. Not that they're k-ing or leaving men on. They're not making Garcia work.

[Falls City Beer]

This bullpen is fun.

[Matt700wlw]

Here we go

[Eric_Davis]

Dunn's OBP shows that he knows what the strikezone is. I'm no sports psychologist, but I believe that Dunn is pressing because he feels that the entire Reds offense is on his shoulders, especially when Junior is out of the lineup, and he's trying to pull everything.

Dunn's not pressing. He is what he is. He has too long of a career now to be anything other than a .219 hitter with RISP. If he ever has a year that's different than this, then that particular year would be freakish, and then the next year he'd go back to his norm.

He should never bat higher than 6th in the lineup the rest of his career. He shouldn't be asked to come through in situations (RISP) that he's not capable of delivering the best outcome.

[CTA513]

The Reds now have 12 hits so far in the 3 games against the Phillies.

[PuffyPig]

well ok then. I'll offer a couple cases of beer, 4 baseball cards, a 2001 jetta, 3 pairs of sunglasses and, a statue of gorucho marx that say he doesn't


A jetta??????????

Google "cars women like to drive".

You'll have to change your nic-name.:laugh:

[guttle11]

Here we go

My thoughts exactly. Hopefully Todd proves me wrong...

[thatcoolguy_22]

:
A jetta??????????

Google "cars women like to drive".

You'll have to change your nic-name.:laugh:



:mooner:

[keeganbrick]

Some hard-hit balls. They'll get to him.

The main knock against the offense today is that they're not taking enough pitches. Not that they're k-ing or leaving men on. They're not making Garcia work.

When do they ever take pitches?:(

[thatcoolguy_22]

coffey with the K

[Falls City Beer]

When do they ever take pitches?:(

The last several years, under Chambliss.

[RedEye]

It seems that Todd Coffey is the Adam Dunn of pitching. Arguably "good" stats at the end of the year, but terrible performances in leverage situations. Discuss.

[Matt700wlw]

It seems that Todd Coffey is the Adam Dunn of pitching. Arguably "good" stats at the end of the year, but terrible performances in leverage situations. Discuss.

Dunn gets more strikeouts ;)

[guttle11]

Todd proved me wrong.

The offense is welcome to follow suit.

[Raisor]

Dunn's not pressing. He is what he is. He has too long of a career now to be anything other than a .219 hitter with RISP. If he ever has a year that's different than this, then that particular year would be freakish, and then the next year he'd go back to his norm.

He should never bat higher than 6th in the lineup the rest of his career. He shouldn't be asked to come through in situations (RISP) that he's not capable of delivering the best outcome.

Dunn's career OPS w/RISP is .890

That's delivering a pretty good outcome w/RISP.

[KronoRed]

The last several years, under Chambliss.

We fired him for that, darn pitch takers.

[Cedric]

It seems that Todd Coffey is the Adam Dunn of pitching. Arguably "good" stats at the end of the year, but terrible performances in leverage situations. Discuss.

People always have the macro stats to back up their cases. The Micro situations aren't that easy to recall when you want to win an arguement :)

[keeganbrick]

The last several years, under Chambliss.

They didnt last year or at least 75% of the roster anyways.

[Razor Shines]

On Dunn:

Everyone was so happy with the new aggressive Dunn. And I've said it several times since ST, with this new aggressiveness his slumps are going to be really, really bad this year. In the past he was patient and got a lot of walks even when he was slumping, so he was still at least getting on base. This year he's swinging at a lot of bad pitches and not taking very many walks. Dunn's never going to be a high contact guy, so he might as well stay patient and draw the walks. I love the fact that he seems to have shortened his swing a little bit, but I don't think he needed to become more aggressive. Just MO.