5/6/07 - Reds vs. Rockies Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Rockies (13 - 17)
5th in NL West
Reds (13 - 17)
5th in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. W Taveras, CF .300 0 5 9
2. T Tulowitzki, SS .248 2 13 1
3. M Holliday, LF .375 5 26 2
4. T Helton, 1B .390 2 20 0
5. G Atkins, 3B .270 2 14 2
6. B Hawpe, RF .281 1 16 0
7. C Iannetta, C .204 1 6 0
8. J Carroll, 2B .194 0 2 1
9. J Fogg, P .200 0 0 0


Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, 2B .268 0 3 6
2. S Hatteberg, 1B .292 2 10 0
3. K Griffey Jr., RF .308 4 14 1
4. E Encarnacion, 3B .231 1 13 2
5. A Dunn, LF .266 8 17 6
6. A Gonzalez, SS .300 4 12 0
7. J Hamilton, CF .296 6 14 2
8. D Ross, C .178 2 8 0
9. B Arroyo, P .125 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
J Fogg 1 2 5.08 1.62 19

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
B Arroyo 1 2 2.59 1.08 28

[bearcatfan24]

Looks like a pretty balanced lineup today for the reds

Hopefully arroyo can get some run support as well

[Degenerate39]

Freel's first game at 2nd of the year.

[Dunner44]

I like Jerry giving BP a day off here.

My ideal situation for freel - Every week he give EE, BP, JR and Hamilton a day off. 4 starts a week right there. Maybe give Jr. or Hamilton 2 days off a week. But 4 to 5 starts a week is good for freel, and good for keeping every one else fresh.

[OnBaseMachine]

I'd like to see Hamilton higher in the lineup.

[Mitri]

If this lineup with Arroyo going can't get a W against the Rockies, this team is in serious trouble.

[REDREAD]

I'd like to see Hamilton higher in the lineup.


No reason for Hamilton to be hitting after Gonzo.. none at all..

[KronoRed]

Nice to see EE in the clean up spot.

[REDREAD]

It sure would be nice to salvage this last game with the Rocks before we face Houston again.

[KronoRed]

Getting swept by the rockies would be the west coast swoon in reverse ;)

[Degenerate39]

Nice to see EE in the clean up spot.

Took one home run to get him there

[UGADaddy]

I like Jerry giving BP a day off here.

My ideal situation for freel - Every week he give EE, BP, JR and Hamilton a day off. 4 starts a week right there. Maybe give Jr. or Hamilton 2 days off a week. But 4 to 5 starts a week is good for freel, and good for keeping every one else fresh.

I've loved this idea for a long time. Keeps everyone fresh and also keeps everyone getting ABs. I'd probably throw Dunn in there, too. Probably even before I'd throw BP in there.

[reds44]

I like Jerry giving BP a day off here.

My ideal situation for freel - Every week he give EE, BP, JR and Hamilton a day off. 4 starts a week right there. Maybe give Jr. or Hamilton 2 days off a week. But 4 to 5 starts a week is good for freel, and good for keeping every one else fresh.
Agreed.

I had a feeling Jerry might put Freel at 2nd today. Not alot to complain about with this lineup (which probably means we will get shutout), except I'd like to see Hamilton hitting a bit higher.

EE in the cleanup spot is nice.

[UGADaddy]

After further review, how is EdE higher in the order than Josh and/or AGon??

[reds44]

After further review, how is EdE higher in the order than Josh and/or AGon??
1. You can't hit Josh 4th and have 4 lefties in a row.
2. I don't care how they started this year, Edwin's a much better hitter then Seabass.

[Dunner44]

I've loved this idea for a long time. Keeps everyone fresh and also keeps everyone getting ABs. I'd probably throw Dunn in there, too. Probably even before I'd throw BP in there.

I don't disagree, but Dunn will start 160 games a year, barring injury. He doesn't play with crazy motor, so he doesn't need a lot of rest. The off days are plenty for him. He's the big run producer, and as much as he SHOULD get a night or two off if he's slumping or being lazy at the plate, he won't often.

[UGADaddy]

1. You can't hit Josh 4th and have 4 lefties in a row.
2. I don't care how they started this year, Edwin's a much better hitter then Seabass.

Point taken on the L-R distribution. Vast oversight on my part.

To say that EdE's any where near the type of hitter Josh Hamilton is, however, is terribly wishful thinking. Josh is a former first overall pick. EdE is just some dude we acquired in as part of a package deal for Rob Bell.

Not trying to say that EdE might not someday be an average (or slightly above average) major league hitter. But there are only so many Josh Hamiltons roaming the bigs. You can't just find that kind of player anywhere. And to say that he's not as good Edwin Encarnacion is a ridiculous insult.

[reds44]

Point taken on the L-R distribution. Vast oversight on my part.

To say that EdE's any where near the type of hitter Josh Hamilton is, however, is terribly wishful thinking. Josh is a former first overall pick. EdE is just some dude we acquired in as part of a package deal for Rob Bell.

Not trying to say that EdE might not someday be an average (or slightly above average) major league hitter. But there are only so many Josh Hamiltons roaming the bigs. You can't just find that kind of player anywhere. And to say that he's not as good Edwin Encarnacion is a ridiculous insult.
Someday Edwin Encarnacion can be an average to above average hitter? SOMEDAY?

You're telling me he wasn't an above average hitter last year in his first full season in the big leagues? Leading the team in doubles in only 112 games doesn't tell you he can be a really good player?


He's not as good as Edwin is right now. He hasn't proven he is. Edwin has been up an produced in the bigs. Josh Hamilton hasn't done that for any extended period of time.

I think Hamilton and Edwin can be HUGE parts of the Reds organization for a long time.

And lets not forget, Edwin (24) is actually 2 years younger the Hamilton (26).

[UGADaddy]

I don't disagree, but Dunn will start 160 games a year, barring injury. He doesn't play with crazy motor, so he doesn't need a lot of rest. The off days are plenty for him. He's the big run producer, and as much as he SHOULD get a night or two off if he's slumping or being lazy at the plate, he won't often.

I'd go with that assessment.

[PuffyPig]

To say that EdE's any where near the type of hitter Josh Hamilton is, however, is terribly wishful thinking. Josh is a former first overall pick. EdE is just some dude we acquired in as part of a package deal for Rob Bell.

Not trying to say that EdE might not someday be an average (or slightly above average) major league hitter. But there are only so many Josh Hamiltons roaming the bigs. You can't just find that kind of player anywhere. And to say that he's not as good Edwin Encarnacion is a ridiculous insult.

Hamilton has all sorts of potential, to be sure, but at this stage I bet that GM's would give EE quite a bit more trade value.

And being the first overall pick is pretty useless once the game starts.

Slump aside, EE is already at least an average major league hitter.

[Jr's Boy]

Woohoo,Red on tv here!Two days in a row.

[ochoa30]

Roger clemens just announced his return to the yankees. Good to see we wont have to face him.

[reds44]

Hamilton has all sorts of potential, to be sure, but at this stage I bet that GM's would give EE quite a bit more trade value.

And being the first overall pick is pretty useless once the game starts.

Slump aside, EE is already at least an average major league hitter.
Agreed on all acoounts.

[Jr's Boy]

No telling how much there forkin out this time for Clemens.

[KronoRed]

No telling how much there forkin out this time for Clemens.

They have it, I hope he takes their payroll up to 300mill :D

[Degenerate39]

Strikeout. 1 gone

[reds44]

What a curve on 3-2.

[Red in Chicago]

Roger clemens just announced his return to the yankees. Good to see we wont have to face him.

glad to hear his majesty has made a decision:rolleyes:

[Degenerate39]

Bronson has a nasty curve today

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to Gonzo. 2 outs

[UGADaddy]

Someday Edwin Encarnacion can be an average to above average hitter? SOMEDAY?

You're telling me he wasn't an above average hitter last year in his first full season in the big leagues? Leading the team in doubles in only 112 games doesn't tell you he can be a really good player?


He's not as good as Edwin is right now. He hasn't proven he is. Edwin has been up an produced in the bigs. Josh Hamilton hasn't done that for any extended period of time.

I think Hamilton and Edwin can be HUGE parts of the Reds organization for a long time.

And lets not forget, Edwin (24) is actually 2 years younger the Hamilton (26).

Hamilton actually won't turn 26 until later this month. The age gap is about a year and half...the gap in potential, however, is about a lightyear and half. (And BTW, EdE played in 117 games last year, not sure where you're getting your info??)

I'm not saying Edwin isn't a good player, and I agree that he (if he learns to throw a ball to firstbase) and Josh will be big parts of this organization for 5-10 years.

But to say he's a better player than Josh right now?? That's insane and I think most Zoners would agree. Forget the fancy doubles stat from last year (rookie season) and look at the other categories--they indicate that he was about an average player.

I think when we get to the end of this year, Josh's rookie season, we're going to be seeing some far more significant numbers. He's a guy that's going to be not good, but great in this league for a long time to come.

[reds44]

Hamilton actually won't turn 26 until later this month. The age gap is about a year and half...the gap in potential, however, is about a lightyear and half. (And BTW, EdE played in 117 games last year, not sure where you're getting your info??)

I'm not saying Edwin isn't a good player, and I agree that he (if he learns to throw a ball to firstbase) and Josh will be big parts of this organization for 5-10 years.

But to say he's a better player than Josh right now?? That's insane and I think most Zoners would agree. Forget the fancy doubles stat from last year (rookie season) and look at the other categories--they indicate that he was about an average player.

I think when we get to the end of this year, Josh's rookie season, we're going to be seeing some far more significant numbers. He's a guy that's going to be not good, but great in this league for a long time to come.
Led the team in RBIs per AB too. Led the team in RBIs and BA with RISP.

Average right?

The worst case if Edwin continues to struggle with defense is he becomes the everyday 1st baseman in 2 years.

[Degenerate39]

Holliday grounds out to Edwin 3 outs

[reds44]

Excellent play by EE.

1,2,3 inning.

[Degenerate39]

Freel grounds out to 3rd. 1 out

[Degenerate39]

Hatte singles to right

[UGADaddy]

Led the team in RBIs per AB too. Led the team in RBIs and BA with RISP.

Average right?

The worst case if Edwin continues to struggle with defense is he becomes the everyday 1st baseman in 2 years.

Which team did he "lead" again? Oh yeah, that team that finished below .500 right in the middle of one of the league's worst divisions. Who cares about "leading" statistical categories? That's comparing apples to oranges. If you want to prove EdE is better than Josh, compare EdE to Josh--not EdE to the 2006 Reds and Josh to nothing.

As for the 1B thing, I wouldn't be opposed if we didn't have Votto coming up. He's struggling right now, but I think he'll come around. Griffey Sr. told me two springs ago that he thought Votto was the best hitting prospect in the organization.

[reds44]

Which team did he "lead" again? Oh yeah, that team that finished below .500 right in the middle of one of the league's worst divisions. Who cares about "leading" statistical categories? That's comparing apples to oranges. If you want to prove EdE is better than Josh, compare EdE to Josh--not EdE to the 2006 Reds and Josh to nothing.

As for the 1B thing, I wouldn't be opposed if we didn't have Votto coming up. He's struggling right now, but I think he'll come around. Griffey Sr. told me two springs ago that he thought Votto was the best hitting prospect in the organization.
Can I compare EE to didn't play baseball for 4 years Hamilton? You can't compare the two right now. Need more time. A month and 5 days isn't enough time.

[Degenerate39]

Griffey singles to center.

[reds44]

Man Junior is on fire.

[Degenerate39]

Edwin pops up in the infield. 2 outs

[UGADaddy]

Can I compare EE to didn't play baseball for 4 years Hamilton? You can't compare the two right now. Need more time. A month and 5 days isn't enough time.

Agreed. Remind me and we'll pick back up in July/August. :D

Let's get some runs!

[reds44]

That was bad Edwin.

[UGADaddy]

Man Junior is on fire.

I really hope he keeps this up. We need some people to start producing.

[Degenerate39]

Dunn walks. Bases loaded

[Dunner44]

Gonzo's up with the bags juiced and 2 outs... what his career average w/ bases loaded?

Edit: Not going to bother looking that up anymore... but he's .250 on the season (1 for 4)

[Degenerate39]

Gonzo grounds out to 2nd. 3 outs.

[reds44]

Ugh.

[reds44]

Gonzo's up with the bags juiced and 2 outs... what his career average w/ bases loaded?

.240

[Jr's Boy]

What is the contract staus with Hamilton?I know the Reds got a deal.

[Tom Servo]

That's why Hamilton should have been in front of A-Gon.

[ochoa30]

.240

He hit it well, that inning is on edwin.

[oneupper]

Protection is a myth?

[flyer85]

that lineup construction allowed Fogg to pitch around Dunn without much chance of a negative consequence. Hamilton shoud hit behind him.

[PuffyPig]

What is the contract staus with Hamilton?I know the Reds got a deal.


For the 1,000,000th time, he's a rookie. He's a FA after he plays 6 seasons.

[Patrick Bateman]

Nm

[REDREAD]

What is the contract staus with Hamilton?I know the Reds got a deal.


Since he had no major league service time when the Reds picked him up, they own him for a long time.. It's going to be 3 years before he's eligible for arbitration, and then another 3 years until free agency..

So the club has his rights for 6 years (including this one).

[PuffyPig]

If you want to prove EdE is better than Josh, compare EdE to Josh--not EdE to the 2006 Reds and Josh to nothing.



Tell us, how many RBI's did Josh have last year? HR's? BA?

[Degenerate39]

Helton strikes out

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to right. 2 outs

[REDREAD]

that lineup construction allowed Fogg to pitch around Dunn without much chance of a negative consequence. Hamilton shoud hit behind him.

I agree 100%. They can't expect Dunn to be an RBI guy when they put a crappy hitter behind Dunn.. Any pitcher with common sense will always pitch around Dunn with runners on base in a situation like that.. The result is that Dunn will either walk or K 90% of the time. That's not a slam on Dunn.. the vast majority of the time, he does walk when pitched around.. The point is that Dunn gets zilch to hit in a situation like that.

[Dunner44]

Is it just me, or does Helton's player photo look like someone drew his beard on with a sharpie?

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_115732.jpg

[PuffyPig]

That's why Hamilton should have been in front of A-Gon.


Gonzalez hit it well, great play by the secondbaseman.

[Degenerate39]

Pop up in the infield. 3 outs

[oneupper]

that lineup construction allowed Fogg to pitch around Dunn without much chance of a negative consequence. Hamilton shoud hit behind him.

So obvious that Narron should know it...but you know his story.

[Dunner44]

1-2-3-4-5-6 so far for Arroyo

[oneupper]

It's such an irony that with Narron's obsession with the end game (breaking up lefties, double switches, defensive replacements and bp), that the REDS are losing precisely there.

He must be going crazy.

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton grounds out to 2nd on the first pitch

[Tom Servo]

Is it just me, or does Helton's player photo look like someone drew his beard on with a sharpie?

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_115732.jpg
http://www.thames.org/tblog/WoolyWillyOpt.jpg

[UGADaddy]

Tell us, how many RBI's did Josh have last year? HR's? BA?

Haha! Way to jump in there a little late, bud. We were actually discussing who is better RIGHT NOW. But since you asked, he had 5 RBI, 0 HRs, and a BA of .260 last season. If you ever want to know something like this again, don't ask me--just check out http://thebaseballcube.com/players/H/Josh-Hamilton.shtml.

[Degenerate39]

Ross singles to left

[Degenerate39]

Arroyo bunts but Ross is out at 2nd.

[Degenerate39]

Freel walks

[Jr's Boy]

For the 1,000,000th time, he's a rookie. He's a FA after he plays 6 seasons.


Tense today huh?

[oneupper]

See, I don't see that bunt there. Freel can't drive in Ross from second.

[Jr's Boy]

Is it just me, or does Helton's player photo look like someone drew his beard on with a sharpie?

http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_115732.jpg

It does.:D

[flyer85]

the reason to group your best hitters is not the give the pitcher a unnecessary reprieve

[UGADaddy]

It would take an awfully nice hit to get Ross home, agreed. Maybe he's just trying to stay out of a double play? Or simply work on Arroyo's bunting for future situations, knowing that not much could come from him swinging the bat in this situation anyway? I don't know.

[PuffyPig]

Haha! Way to jump in there a little late, bud. We were actually discussing who is better RIGHT NOW.

Comparing players skill levels "right now" means you have to look at past stats.

Otherwise, you would come to the conclusion that Aaron Rowand is a better hitter than Lance Berkman and Albert Pujols.

[Degenerate39]

Hatte ground rule doubles.

1-0 Reds

[reds44]

It should be 2-0.

I hate that rule.

[Degenerate39]

Griffey intentially walked

[ochoa30]

It should be 2-0.

I hate that rule.

yes it should be an umpire judgement call.

[reds44]

Edwin has a career BA north of .500 with the bases loaded.

This shoul dbe interesting.

[Degenerate39]

Edwin better show patience this time around

[VR]

make em pay Ed.

[Jr's Boy]

They need to let that outfield grass grow a little more.Too many baseball's bouncing out.Of course it may bounce in the sand.

[flyer85]

now Jr get pitched around. Jr/Dunn/Hamilton should be 3-4-5. Screw the lefty/righty stuff.

[Degenerate39]

Edwin walks

2-0 Reds

[OnBaseMachine]

Four pitch walk! 2-0 Reds and Dunn up.

Come on Adam, time for your first grand slam of the year.

[reds44]

That a boy Edwin.

2-0

[ochoa30]

Nice AB edwin

[OnBaseMachine]

Dunn fouled off a great pitch to hit right there...

[Degenerate39]

Dunn strikes out. 3 outs

[reds44]

Oy Adam.

[Red in Chicago]

is that 5 left on base already today?

[ochoa30]

That pitch was filthy

[OnBaseMachine]

Horrible strike three call. Questec please. I'm so tired of these ridiculous inconsistent strikezones.

[PuffyPig]

is that 5 left on base already today?

6

[flyer85]

is that 5 left on base already today?Reds have left the bases loaded twice ... that would be 6

[reds44]

Leaving the bases loaded twice in the first 2 innings.

That'll come back to bite us.

[UGADaddy]

Comparing players skill levels "right now" means you have to look at past stats.

Otherwise, you would come to the conclusion that Aaron Rowand is a better hitter than Lance Berkman and Albert Pujols.

Go ahead and compare their stats from T-Ball to now and Hamilton is simply better. But don't just pick out a year that Josh didn't play and that EdE did and try to say "Well, EdE's whopping .276 AVG is better than Josh's since he didn't play in the bigs that year. I guess that means he's a better player."

Why don't you ask Krivsky who he'd rather have? Or, better yet, a non-Reds fan, non-partial source? Guaranteed if you ask Buster Olney, he'd say hang on to The Natural!

[Jr's Boy]

Key up Marty ''And Adam Dunn strikeouts''.Thom put his foot in his mouth questioning Dunn swinging on a 3-0 count.Turns out it was 2-1.He spent the rest of the game apologizing.

[reds44]

Go ahead and compare their stats from T-Ball to now and Hamilton is simply better. But don't just pick out a year that Josh didn't play and that EdE did and try to say "Well, EdE's whopping .276 AVG is better than Josh's since he didn't play in the bigs that year. I guess that means he's a better player."

Why don't you ask Krivsky who he'd rather have? Or, better yet, a non-Reds fan, non-partial source? Guaranteed if you ask Buster Olney, he'd say hang on to The Natural!
Doubt it.

Edwin has more value then Hamilton right now. Most GMs would agree.

[Degenerate39]

Nice play by Freel to get that. 1 out

[reds44]

It's more fun when Freel is playing 87 positions.

[Jr's Boy]

Arroyo dealin today.

[Degenerate39]

Strikeout. 2 gone

[reds44]

He Gone.
#3

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to Arroyo. 3 outs

[reds44]

9 up
9 down

[UGADaddy]

Doubt it.

Edwin has more value then Hamilton right now. Most GMs would agree.

I'm sure you're close, personal friends with all 30 of them. If EdE's got good trade value, I say we send him away for a good right handed bat.

[reds44]

I'm sure you're close, personal friends with all 30 of them. If EdE's got good trade value, I say we send him away for a good right handed bat.
You going to find one that's 24 and making the league minimum?

Doubt it.

[PuffyPig]

I'm sure you're close, personal friends with all 30 of them. If EdE's got good trade value, I say we send him away for a good right handed bat.

You're just getting silly now.

[Degenerate39]

Gonzo HOMERS!

[OnBaseMachine]

Gonzo homers!

[reds44]

Time to dust this one off.

Seabomb!!

3-0

[REDREAD]

:lol: Gonzo gets a Hr.. That should move him back to the #5 or #4 slot in the lineup for a week.

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton grounds out to 1st base on the first pitch. 1 out

[OnBaseMachine]

I thought Hamilton would crush Fogg today.

[reds44]

He took a low, outside pitch and took it out to right center.

That's impressive power.

Stop swinging at the first pitch Josh.

[UGADaddy]

You going to find one that's 24 and making the league minimum?

Doubt it.

Sorry, was unaware that for players to be traded they had to have the same salaries and ages...

[reds44]

Sorry, was unaware that for players to be traded they had to have the same salaries and ages...
It's all about value.

[UGADaddy]

I thought we really got AGon to shore up some defense in the middle IF, but his bat has been a real surprise. Way to go Gonzo!

[Degenerate39]

Ross strikes out

[BoydsOfSummer]

The slump Gonzo is going to hit when he comes back to reality is going to be epic. :scared:

[jojo]

Go ahead and compare their stats from T-Ball to now and Hamilton is simply better. But don't just pick out a year that Josh didn't play and that EdE did and try to say "Well, EdE's whopping .276 AVG is better than Josh's since he didn't play in the bigs that year. I guess that means he's a better player."

Why don't you ask Krivsky who he'd rather have? Or, better yet, a non-Reds fan, non-partial source? Guaranteed if you ask Buster Olney, he'd say hang on to The Natural!

Buster Olney has been irrelevant for a long time

[UGADaddy]

The slump Gonzo is going to hit when he comes back to reality is going to be epic. :scared:

I guess that's one way of looking at it. Lol!

[Degenerate39]

Arroyo grounds out to 2nd. 3 outs

[Degenerate39]

Roger Clemens is now a Yankee again

[reds44]

Arroyo puts good swings on the ball.

Brantley calling for Salmon to be the closer.
He'll like McBeth and Medlock when they get up here too.

[PuffyPig]

Why don't you ask Krivsky who he'd rather have?

I just did. He said it would be hard to give me an answer, as he didn't want to insult the rookie.

[Jr's Boy]

I guess that's one way of looking at it. Lol!


Let's not put the Dave Ross jinx on him yet.

[UGADaddy]

I just did. He said it would be hard to give me an answer, as he didn't want to insult the rookie.

Haha! And we wouldn't want to do that. Theo Epstein and Billy Beane told me rookies are prone to have confidence issues in those types of situations.:thumbup:

[Jr's Boy]

Do they switch out broadcasts with Thom and Jeff,then George and Chris?

[Degenerate39]

Taveras walks

[reds44]

There goes the perfect game.

[OnBaseMachine]

Wow. Where was that 2-2 pitch on Tavares? That was a strike on the Reds. But why is Arroyo pitching around Tavares in the first place? Dude isn't very good.

[OnBaseMachine]

WOW! Josh Hamilton guns Tavares by 10 feet at third base. Why even run on him?

[Degenerate39]

Tulo singles to center. Hamilton fires a rocket to 3rd and gets out Willy. 1 out. Tulo goes to 2nd.

[reds44]

What an arm!!!

[Red in Chicago]

seeing an outfielder gun a runner down at third or home is one of the most beautiful things in baseball:thumbup:

[UGADaddy]

Do they switch out broadcasts with Thom and Jeff,then George and Chris?

They say there's a rotation, but I haven't figured it out. I think they just get to the ballpark and first one to call double-stampsies on the announcer's chair gets the mic.

[KronoRed]

That guy has a cannon.

[Degenerate39]

Holliday strikes out. 4th K for Arroyo. 2 outs

[UGADaddy]

Josh Hamilton is a freak of nature. (In a good way, of course!) A five-tool player for sure. Probably the Reds' MVP of the first month plus. (Though I'd give Gonzo some consideration as well.)

[Red in Chicago]

Do they switch out broadcasts with Thom and Jeff,then George and Chris?

the time or two that i've heard thom and chris were almost uncomfortable...they didn't seem to gel, imo...

[Degenerate39]

Helton's goatee pops up in foul territory. 3 outs

[UGADaddy]

Puffy, if it makes you feel better about yourself, keep negging me. :cool:

[jojo]

Puffy, if it makes you feel better about yourself, keep negging me. :cool:

Please dont publically comment on rep points given or taken away.


:thumbup:

[Degenerate39]

Freel walks

[NDRed]

80 pitches for Fogg.

[Degenerate39]

Hatte flys out to center 1 out

[Degenerate39]

Griffey strikes out. 2 outs

[Degenerate39]

Freel steals 2nd.

[Degenerate39]

Edwin strikes out 3 outs

[UGADaddy]

Freel steals 2nd.

I love it!

[Red in Chicago]

7 left on base so far...let's hope we don't regret that...

[reds44]

Nationals take a 3-2 lead on the Cubs on a 2 run single by Dimitri Young.

[Degenerate39]

Single to right

[Degenerate39]

Fly out to Ross in foul territory 1 out

[Degenerate39]

Another strikeout. 5 on the day. 2 outs

[Degenerate39]

Carroll strikes out. 6 K's. 3 outs

[reds44]

That's just not fair.

[Degenerate39]

Dunn grounds out to 1st. 1 out

[KronoRed]

:clap:

[reds44]

Oppo Yardage for the Wonder Kid.

5-0.

[REDREAD]

HR by Josh :)

[Degenerate39]

Hamilton homers!

Ross singles

[REDREAD]

Ross gets doubled up off 1b :(

At least we have a nice 5 run lead.. We might actually win this one..

[OnBaseMachine]

Hamilton is amazing. I figured he would eventually get to Fogg today.

[Tom Servo]

belated fill in for Matt again:

:hamilton:
:jump:

[oneupper]

Didn't see that...was it hit and run with Arroyo?

[ochoa30]

Ross gets doubled up off 1b :(

At least we have a nice 5 run lead.. We might actually win this one..

Nothing to be upset about there. I like the aggressive play. Just a very nice play by the old man steve finley. he can still go get it.

[Degenerate39]

Arroyo flied into double play center to shortstop to first. Ross out at first

[Degenerate39]

How many homers is that for Hamilton?

[reds44]

How many homers is that for Hamilton?
7

[pahster]

How many homers is that for Hamilton?

Seven.

[jojo]

i'm guessing Arroyo was told he'd go all 15 today if it came to that...

[Falls City Beer]

7 homers.

[Degenerate39]

7

B-e-a-u-tiful

[UGADaddy]

I repeat:

Josh Hamilton is a freak of nature. (In a good way, of course!) A five-tool player for sure. Probably the Reds' MVP of the first month plus. (Though I'd give Gonzo some consideration as well.)

[Degenerate39]

Ground out to Freel. 1 out

[reds44]

I hope BA can go all 9, and we call up McBeth and/or Medlock tomorrow.

[Falls City Beer]

Unless something fluky happens like one or two 8 pitch innings for Bronson, he's likely scheduled to finish his day by the end of the eighth inning.

Which means....one inning from the pen. :(

[BoydsOfSummer]

I swear, you could make an instructional video from Hammy's PA's. Just an amazing story.

[Degenerate39]

I hope BA can go all 9, and we call up McBeth and/or Medlock tomorrow.

:laugh: What is it with you and McBeth and Medlock

[captainmorgan07]

arroyo starting to lose it

[OnBaseMachine]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least four of Josh's seven homers have been to the opposite field.

[reds44]

:laugh: What is it with you and McBeth and Medlock
They don't suck?

[Degenerate39]

They don't suck?

Good reason

[LINEDRIVER]

Unless something fluky happens like one or two 8 pitch innings for Bronson, he's likely scheduled to finish his day by the end of the eighth inning.

Which means....one inning from the pen. :(

It's 5-0 now, so the Reds need to tack on at least 3 or 4 more insurance runs incase we need to go to the pen in the ninth-inning.

[Falls City Beer]

:laugh: What is it with you and McBeth and Medlock

The likelihood of one being called up tomorrow is nil; the likelihood of both is transcendentally impossible.

[OnBaseMachine]

Strikezone has shrunk.

[reds44]

The likelihood of one being called up tomorrow is nil; the likelihood of both is transcendentally impossible.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Arroyo is having issues.

[Degenerate39]

Holliday singles to right. Bases loaded.

[UGADaddy]

They don't suck?

Haha! Is there any factual basis to thinking they may be coming up soon or just wishful thinking?

[KronoRed]

They don't suck?

No, it's we don't know if they suck :evil:

That's still better then the "we know they suck" crew

[reds44]

Clemens gets 28 mil, prorated.

[Red in Chicago]

this is the guy you've got to get out bronson

[reds44]

Haha! Is there any factual basis to thinking they may be coming up soon or just wishful thinking?
Probably wishful thinking more then anything.

[BoydsOfSummer]

The likelihood of one being called up tomorrow is nil; the likelihood of both is transcendentally impossible.

It's enough to give one the Transcendental Blues.

[WVRedsFan]

They don't suck?

Yet.

Like someone else said, you buy the immediate help or you wait for the younger guys to develop. Since we aren't buying (that I know of), it might be a disaster to bring up McBeth so soon.

[UGADaddy]

Clemens gets 28 mil, prorated.

It's about time. He's been wasting a spot on my fantasy roster for a month now!

[Degenerate39]

Well I'm off to see Spiderman 3 hopefully the Reds get the W while I'm there.

[reds44]

Is Arroyo limping?

[oneupper]

Great AB by Helton. (Now Strike out, please).

[reds44]

Dunn needs to get to that ball.

Bleh, maybe not.

[REDREAD]

crap.. here comes the sinking feeling.. Arroyo is starting to lose it, bullpen will probably be called upon..

Come on Reds, don't blow this one.

[BoydsOfSummer]

And a dying quail drops in nowherland for two runs. Ouch.

[Tom Servo]

The loss is feeling more and more inevitable.

[OnBaseMachine]

How in the world was that ball not caught? That should have been the second out and the bases still loaded.

[reds44]

Arroyo at 110 pitches.

[Red in Chicago]

i'm not sure dunn gets to that ball, but he seemed to give way to gonzo a bit early...

[reds44]

Needed that.

7th K

[oneupper]

How in the world was that ball not caught? That should have been the second out and the bases still loaded.

Dunn also playing back, with Helton at the plate.

[reds44]

Dunn also playing back, with Helton at the plate.
It looked like he gave way to Gonzalez.

[oneupper]

It looked like he gave way to Gonzalez.

He did...but it was going to be tough for either.

[REDREAD]

sarloos and Countlangus warming up.. good job Jerry, that's who I'd pick..

[reds44]

sarloos and Countlangus warming up.. good job Jerry, that's who I'd pick..
I hope Salmon is available for later. He went 1 and 2/3rds last night though.

[AdamDunn]

just got here... why is Arroyo still in there?

[REDREAD]

I wasn't being sarcastic either.. I think that's good choice by Jerry.

[oneupper]

A hard thrower to follow Arroyo would be better.

[reds44]

BB on the 121st pitch.

Bases loaded.

[BoydsOfSummer]

Walk. Thats enough of that, thank you.

[REDREAD]

just got here... why is Arroyo still in there?

Jerry is too shellshocked to trust the pen..

It's understandable.

Now sarloos comes in with bases loaded..

121 pitches is far too long to leave ARroyo in, especially when he was clearly losing it in this inning.

[TheBigLebowski]

BA is the unluckiest pitcher in baseball.

[RedEye]

10 outs feels like eternity with this pen, doesn't it?

[Red in Chicago]

the pen really needs to come through today, especially with oswalt going tomorrow...

[ochoa30]

well it was fun while it lasted. i honestly feel like we are losing already. Hope im wrong but this isnt looking good.

[RedEye]

Actually, I guess they only need 7 outs. Still feels like eternity.

[OnBaseMachine]

Arroyo fell apart quickly there. He got the first batter out easily and appeared to be his way to another easy inning before surrendering a double to Finley and then losing his control shortly there after.

[jojo]

fingers crossed

[TheBigLebowski]

If we blow this game, the team may just fold up the tent. Honestly.

[Tom Servo]

Arroyo fell apart quickly there. He got the first batter out easily and appeared to be his way to another easy inning before surrendering a double to Finley.
Finley's playing extra hard to impress Marty.

[mth123]

Not liking Saarloos. He's a walk machine.

[TheBigLebowski]

I hate the Reds.

[REDREAD]

:angry: Sarloos walks one in.. but charge that one to jerry for leaving ARroyo in too long.

[reds44]

Man EE has a ton of range.

5-3, and the inning is over.

I don't like our chances.

[ochoa30]

Atleast we are still leading but with this pen it wont last long.

[OnBaseMachine]

That was all too familiar. Saarloos comes in with a comfortable lead and starts walking hitters. Remember that? He played a big part in the Reds blowing that 6-1 lead against the Astros last month.

[REDREAD]

Well, that's not too bad, considering Sarloos was brought in with the bases loaded.. I'll take only one run. Could've been much worse.

Can we hold a 2 run lead?

[jojo]

if the Reds blow this one, I'm not wearing a Reds jersey tomorrow....

[Falls City Beer]

Say what you want but neither Saarloos nor Arroyo completely folded that inning.

Baby steps.

[NDRed]

Saarloos gets the Reds out of trouble.

[RedEye]

Man, this pen is terrible. Just terrible. I can't believe I feel like just giving up one run was a moral victory.

[mth123]

Need a few runs.

[Patrick Bateman]

:angry: Sarloos walks one in.. but charge that one to jerry for leaving ARroyo in too long.

Leaving Arroyo in was an obvious choice compared to the alternatives IMO.

[ochoa30]

Need a few runs.

yep, like 5 or so.

[REDREAD]

It's kind of sad that we are already to the time of year where the game thread attendence shrinks dramatically.. I mean Arroyo is even pitching today, and generally had a good game. He was just left in far too long..