Geez, this stinks

[Mario-Rijo]

To tell you the truth, I kinda actually feel bad. I just feel like the carpet has been ripped out from under me???? I mean don't get me wrong I am not boo-hooing or feeling like I just lost my best friend, but I am quite bummed out by this whole thing.

At 1st I just thought oh well no biggie I'll just post on the Sun Deck I'm sure it will be fine and everything will work itself out in the end. But as I carried on with my usual business I just noticed that this new situation has stuck with me and I feel like I am being cheated somehow. Not because I can no longer post on ORG but because I can no longer post on ORG.....AND if I do get to ever post there again I can't post on the Sun Deck anymore. It just doesn't seem to make any sense too me.

So I have a few questions maybe someone who has some answers can help me with.

1.) What if you are nominated and voted into ORG, do you have any say in not going? Not that I wouldn't necc. want to go but perhaps some (who it might take awhile to get there) would rather stay where they are comfortable.

2.) If someone is nominated and voted in, is there a Veto process by those with the power? Should/Shouldn't there be?

3.) How long does/will this Nomination/Voting process take? (Approximately of course).

4.) Why would you want to split us all up, has it been that bad babysitting us?

5.) At any point (preferably sooner than later) will consideration be given to allowing those with ORG status to post on the Sun Deck. And if not, why?

6.) Where/why the Origin of the name Sun Deck?

Again I am posing these questions just out of some slight degree of shock mixed with a little emotion. I have been here for only a couple of years but I feel like I am now being forced out of my comfort zone (which if I wanted I would post on Reds.scout or something), which is why I come here to a large degree. I know the people and their expected reactions (to some extent) to Reds related material, and whether I agree or disagree with them I appreciate certain things about them all. I mean afterall I come to Redszone as much for the people as I do the news, etc.

I feel like I just got barred from Cheers and told to go down the street to that new bar that just opened up until I can learn to hold my liquor a bit and once I do, I can come back but I can never go to that new bar again. The only difference is I can't sneak into the Sun Deck every now and again and catch up with a few of my new pals. And furthermore I can't bring them into Cheers w/o permission from the whole Daggone bar.

I mean I can live with the idea of not coming back until I can hold my liquor, but not going back occassionally to the new place might just force me to quit drinking alltogether!

Am I alone here, or am I just too damn drunk right now?

[keeganbrick]

Some great words from a fellow Springfielder. Lets go grab a drink together.

[Mario-Rijo]

Some great words from a fellow Springfielder. Lets go grab a drink together.

Sometime very soon we need to do that. You, Me and whoever else wants to do it we need to catch a game and a cold one Brother!

[Natty Redlocks]

Jeez, it's like the Island of Misfit Redszoners around here. Seriously, guys, it's nothing personal. If you're truly ORG material, you'll be there soon. If not, why would you want to be there?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Jeez, it's like the Island of Misfit Redszoners around here. Seriously, guys, it's nothing personal. If you're truly ORG material, you'll be there soon. If not, why would you want to be there?

Well actually it is kind of personal. They are personally telling us that our thoughts aren't as good as other peoples. Now its their board and they can do what they want, but people tend to not like being told they aren't as good as others when there is really nothing to base that on.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Jeez, it's like the Island of Misfit Redszoners around here. Seriously, guys, it's nothing personal. If you're truly ORG material, you'll be there soon. If not, why would you want to be there?

Think of it as small-time separation anxiety.

We've all grown to love something(this board) over time and suddenly there's a drastic change. There's bound to be a lot of people who don't like it. Personally, I never really saw the need for it, but I was also never here for the so called "glory days" of the board. I guess being here a year I'm still fairly new. But it is what it is, so make the best of it.

[sonny]

Think of it as small-time separation anxiety.

We've all grown to love something(this board) over time and suddenly there's a drastic change. There's bound to be a lot of people who don't like it. Personally, I never really saw the need for it, but I was also never here for the so called "glory days" of the board. I guess being here a year I'm still fairly new. But it is what it is, so make the best of it.

Yeah, those are my thoughts too. I guess i have noticed some things that appeared to be out of the norm with what RZ used to be (hot chicks, Alyssa Milano videos in the game thread, etc...) and I feel that with time, we'll accept the board as it currently is. Hey, its not like we got shunned by our families, it's an internet forum. Let's be happy we get the privilege to talk baseball with folks all around the globe.

[Natty Redlocks]

Well actually it is kind of personal. They are personally telling us that our thoughts aren't as good as other peoples. Now its their board and they can do what they want, but people tend to not like being told they aren't as good as others when there is really nothing to base that on.

Well, they kind of do have the overall quality of our posts to base that on. It may seem subjective, but they have a definite feel for what they're looking for of people who "get it" and can contribute in that way. Maybe I'm not taking it so hard because I haven't been here that long and I should just shut up about it, but I guess I'm feeling a need to differentiate myself from the whiners. I really do understand and agree with these changes. I remember reading that "Classic ORG Post" about old-time ballplayers vs. modern athletes and thinking, "whoa, I am so out of my freaking league here".

Now, I can continue to read and learn from the high quality ORG stuff without feeling like I should be trying to contribute on that level, and meanwhile, throw my occasional two cents into the Sun Deck whenever I feel like it. Like I said elsewhere, it's a bit disappointing to be "rejected", but at least they're letting us stay. It's very much like the minor leagues and quite frankly, not everyone is cut out for the bigs.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Since they don't know me personally, I am not taking it personally. However, it kind of feels like grade school when you are the last kid picked.

[smith288]

Yeah, those are my thoughts too. I guess i have noticed some things that appeared to be out of the norm with what RZ used to be (hot chicks, Alyssa Milano videos in the game thread, etc...) and I feel that with time, we'll accept the board as it currently is. Hey, its not like we got shunned by our families, it's an internet forum. Let's be happy we get the privilege to talk baseball with folks all around the globe.

Oh really? ;)

[sonny]

Oh really? ;)

Well, our whole families Mr ORG big man! :)

[Mario-Rijo]

Hey Boss, how about it? Can you give us/me any feedback on these issues? I think #'s 3 and 4 have been addressed in other threads to some extent, but what about these other questions?

:confused:

[Heath]

Hey Boss, how about it? Can you give us/me any feedback on these issues? I think #'s 3 and 4 have been addressed in other threads to some extent, but what about these other questions?

:confused:

Haven't you read the posted guidelines listed in every forum?

Have you privately asked Boss or GIK by using the PM function to have a discussion.

Or, are you just full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?

:dunno:

[GIK]

Mario, I'll try and answer as many of these as we can. Boss and I haven't had the chance to discuss some of these as the chang was just implemented. We'll need to spend some time going through a number of items that have been brought up the past day+.




1.) What if you are nominated and voted into ORG, do you have any say in not going? Not that I wouldn't necc. want to go but perhaps some (who it might take awhile to get there) would rather stay where they are comfortable.

Honestly, I'm not sure how we'll handle this. If you submit an application, then obviously you'd want in, but if you're nominated without your knowledge and don't want to leave The Sun Deck, then it's something we'll have to discuss. Again, I don't know. Looks like policy that Boss and I need to write.


2.) If someone is nominated and voted in, is there a Veto process by those with the power? Should/Shouldn't there be?

All members who are nominated first go through Boss and I before a vote takes place, so in theory, the Veto process would have already taken place. So, after a vote is over and if that member "makes it", then they are in. Boss and I would not overturn a vote at that point.


3.) How long does/will this Nomination/Voting process take? (Approximately of course).

Once a poll goes live, the voting runs for a minimum 72 hours and must have a minimum of 50 votes (either 'Yes' or 'No') before it is classified as an official vote.


4.) Why would you want to split us all up, has it been that bad babysitting us?

To me, The Old Red Guard is RedsZone. We could have decided to boot the second baseball forum altogether, but The Sun Deck is very useful and I do like the idea of allowing MORE baseball talk. The model we have implemented here is very similar to the one used by the Son's of Sam Horn (SOSH), a Red Sox baseball forum. It has worked well for them and I think it will work well here.

To address you babysitting comment, in all honesty, moderating is not fun. It's VERY time consuming and no one here gets paid. So, if this helps both me and my mods to cut down on our adminstrative work, then that to me is a good thing.


5.) At any point (preferably sooner than later) will consideration be given to allowing those with ORG status to post on the Sun Deck. And if not, why?

Again, The Old Red Guard (to me) is RedsZone. It IS the baseball forum. ORG members should post in the ORG. It also allows for those in the Sun Deck to rise to the top of the forum and contribute more - because there are less people posting.


6.) Where/why the Origin of the name Sun Deck?

It's a reference to Crosley Field and also a great area of the stadium to catch a game. We wanted to use a baseball reference and I was never partial to "RedsLive".

[Caveman Techie]

Haven't you read the posted guidelines listed in every forum?

Have you privately asked Boss or GIK by using the PM function to have a discussion.

Or, are you just full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?

:dunno:

Actually I thought he had legitimate questions that someone should answer. And maybe if there was one place to go FAQ for the changes you wouldn't be seeing all of these questions pop up.

/sound and fury off.

[Mario-Rijo]

Thanks GIK for the information, I understand a whole lot better now.

[George Anderson]

The model we have implemented here is very similar to the one used by the Son's of Sam Horn (SOSH), a Red Sox baseball forum.



I am curious as to why the Red Sox call their board "Son's of Sam Horn" ?? I can think of several great Red Sox to name a board after and Sam Horn isnt one of them.

Its kinda like changing the name of this board to "Son's of Dan Driessen". :rolleyes:

[WVPacman]

I am curious as to why the Red Sox call their board "Son's of Sam Horn" ?? I can think of several great Red Sox to name a board after and Sam Horn isnt one of them.

Its kinda like changing the name of this board to "Son's of Dan Driessen". :rolleyes:

They should call it the Bucky bleeping Dent!!! board ;)

[paintmered]

I am curious as to why the Red Sox call their board "Son's of Sam Horn" ?? I can think of several great Red Sox to name a board after and Sam Horn isnt one of them.

Its kinda like changing the name of this board to "Son's of Dan Driessen". :rolleyes:

Ask and you shall receive.


Back in 1998 a small group of diehard Boston fans with a bent on noise-free intelligent baseball conversation assembled at dickiethon.com's Red Sox message board. It was a haven for those who were tired of sifting through the garbage that pollutes most of the larger sports message boards on the 'net. Spirited debate and deep analysis were the daily fare until those forums eventually crashed in February 2000. In an effort to maintain the terrific core group that had formed I set up a temporary message board on the free ezboard.com network. It was crude and I hadn't the first clue about web design, but it worked… and it also needed a name. Simply put, "Sons of Sam Horn" was the first thing that came to mind.

[Heath]

Plus, Mr. Anderson - Son of Sam should resonate some response of American History.

[registerthis]

Plus, Mr. Anderson - Son of Sam should resonate some response of American History.

He was caught the day I was born.

Read into that what you will.

[George Anderson]

He was caught the day I was born.

Read into that what you will.

And Elvis died six days later, that is quite a week. :thumbup:

[Falls City Beer]

And Elvis died six days later, that is quite a week. :thumbup:

I had the flu the day Elvis died. Terrible day. :(

[pedro]

I had the flu the day Elvis died. Terrible day. :(

I went to Steve Osgood's house after school that day and his mom was crying.

[nate]

I went to Steve Osgood's house after school that day and his mom was crying.

Mike Mueller's Mom, in addition to being the high school Spanish teacher, was a big Elvis fan. She thought the whole thing was "muy malo".

Oh and about the site changes, I can only speak for myself but I don't know if it matters much to me. I don't know if I'd have much to contribute other than "amen"-ing what someone else has already said. Chat seems to lend itself pretty well to jokes about players smiling too much so, no worries there!

I really like the site and the quality of the posts, it sure has taught me a lot about baseball over the years, especially the minor league forum! Threads tend to stay on topic and are remarkably civil...unlike a lot of the Bengals forums I've visited.

Keep on truckin'!

[RedlegNation]

They should call it the Bucky bleeping Dent!!! board ;)

When Jerry Narron is fired and Krivsky names Dent to replace him, that may be a good name for this board. :)

[OldRightHander]

I had the flu the day Elvis died. Terrible day. :(

My parents were only slightly bummed. Neither was a huge Elvis fan. That year will always be memorable for me because I was only 8 and I lost my first grandparent. I didn't take that well.