5/23/2007 Reds vs. Nationals - Game 3

[CTA513]

Reds Nationals
1. Freel CF 1. Lopez 2B
2. Hatteberg 1B 2. Guzman SS
3. Junior RF 3. Zimmerman 3B
4. Phillips 2B 4. Church LF
5. Dunn LF 5. Kearns RF
6. Encarnacion 3B 6. Young 1B
7. Gonzolez SS 7. Schneider C
8. Ross C 8. Logan CF
9. Lohse P 9. Simontacchi P

Lohse: 1-5, 4.75 ERA Simontacchi: 1-2, 5.19 ERA

Game Time: 7:10 p.m. ET
TV: FSN
Radio: WLW 700

[guttle11]

Reds
Freel cf
Hatteberg 1b
Junior rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Gonzolez ss
Ross c
Lohse p

Wow. That is extremely close to the best lineup the Reds could put out there. Scary, almost.

[CTA513]

Lohse this month: 8.20 ERA, 18.2 Innings, 30 Hits, 8 BB, 11 K

[BRM]

I actually don't mind that lineup. Am I ill?

[oneupper]

I actually don't mind that lineup. Am I ill?

Somewhere along the line, Phillips slipped into the cleanup spot and some of us accepted it.

Sorry, I can't. I think cleanup and visions of Gehrig, Snider, Perez, Stargell, etc..enter my mind.

Phillips...no.

[BRM]

Yeah, I guess I've forced myself to accept BP hitting 4th. I don't like it either but Narron isn't going to change anytime soon. He's always going to feel the need to split up Junior and Dunn. Hopefully EE starts raking and gets put back in the 4 slot soon enough.

[Kc61]

I actually don't mind that lineup. Am I ill?

No, but rather optimistic.

Put Hamilton in for Freel. Move Phillips to the second slot. Make Derrick Lee the cleanup hitter/first baseman. A starting pitcher below 4.00.

Then we're talking.

[pedro]

No, but rather optimistic.

Put Hamilton in for Freel. Move Phillips to the second slot. Make Derrick Lee the cleanup hitter/first baseman. A starting pitcher below 4.00.

Then we're talking.

A RH hitter like Lee who was tall and could pick it at 1B would really help this team.

[BRM]

No, but rather optimistic.

Put Hamilton in for Freel. Move Phillips to the second slot. Make Derrick Lee the cleanup hitter/first baseman. A starting pitcher below 4.00.

Then we're talking.

Well, I meant given the current personnel, I don't mind it so much. Although I would like to see Phillips moved out of the cleanup spot at some point.

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse this month: 8.20 ERA, 18.2 Innings, 30 Hits, 8 BB, 11 K

Awesome.

[BRM]

Lohse this month: 8.20 ERA, 18.2 Innings, 30 Hits, 8 BB, 11 K

Only Mike Stanton has a higher ERA for the month on the Reds staff.

[Matt700wlw]

Only Mike Stanton has a higher ERA for the month on the Reds staff.

Yet they still use him in critical situations...

[LincolnparkRed]

Trade Dunn and Hat I would think you have a better chance for an optimal lineup.

[Cyclone792]

Somewhere along the line, Phillips slipped into the cleanup spot and some of us accepted it.

Sorry, I can't. I think cleanup and visions of Gehrig, Snider, Perez, Stargell, etc..enter my mind.

Phillips...no.

Ah, but there's a flaw with mixing Jerry Narron and Lou Gehrig together in a Yankees lineup. Babe Ruth batted 3rd, which means if Jerry Narron was managing those Yankees teams Lou Gehrig would have been batting 5th rather than 4th. Narron can't have those lefties Ruth and Gehrig batting back to back now. In Jerry Narron's world, Tony Lazzeri or Bob Meusel would have been batting 4th rather than Lou Gehrig.

:evil:

[Patrick Bateman]

Ah, but there's a flaw with mixing Jerry Narron and Lou Gehrig together in a Yankees lineup. Babe Ruth batted 3rd, which means if Jerry Narron was managing those Yankees teams Lou Gehrig would have been batting 5th rather than 4th. Narron can't have those lefties Ruth and Gehrig batting back to back now. In Jerry Narron's world, Tony Lazzeri or Bob Meusel would have been batting 4th rather than Lou Gehrig.

:evil:

Two differences perhaps?

In the past era, you didn't have the liklihood of a LOOGY coming in, as the starter generally went quite a long time.

Ruth and Gehrig presumably hit lefties well. Both Griffey and Dunn have had troubles with them (at times) over the last few years.

I like A RH hitter between them too, so I put Dunn 2nd, and Griffey 4th.

[OldXOhio]

Wow. That is extremely close to the best lineup the Reds could put out there. Scary, almost.

Blind hog theory. Fill out enough of those things you're bound to get it right once in a while.

[Big Klu]

Two differences perhaps?

In the past era, you didn't have the liklihood of a LOOGY coming in, as the starter generally went quite a long time.

Ruth and Gehrig presumably hit lefties well. Both Griffey and Dunn have had troubles with them (at times) over the last few years.

I like A RH hitter between them too, so I put Dunn 2nd, and Griffey 4th.

How about this lineup, then? (Jerry has the right personnel, just needs a few minor tweaks to the order, IMO):

Freel cf
Dunn lf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Encarnacion 3b
Hatteberg 1b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Lohse p



Personally, I don't mind Griffey and Dunn back-to-back, especially the way Junior is swinging the bat. My optimum lineup would be:

Freel cf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Hatteberg 1b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Lohse p

[WVRedsFan]

Wow. That is extremely close to the best lineup the Reds could put out there. Scary, almost.

Glad to see Gonzo and Ross where they belong--way down in the lineup.

I thought Lohse was sick?

[jesusfan]

ESPN has had about an hour of coverage on whether or not Schilling should hit A-Rod and if he is a dirty player... wow, I'm sick of the Yankees/Redsox station they call ESPN...

[Matt700wlw]

Things I'm told from the ballpark....Bob Castellini met with the team tonight around 6:00 for a few minutes....


Carry on.

[pedro]

ESPN has had about an hour of coverage on whether or not Schilling should hit A-Rod and if he is a dirty player... wow, I'm sick of the Yankees/Redsox station they call ESPN...

My friend who is a Red Sox fan calls me all the time and say "did you see that?" regarding something that just happened in the current Red Sox game and I usually have to remind him that, no, I didn't b/c I wasn't watching the Red Sox.

[WVRedsFan]

Things I'm told from the ballpark....Bob Castellini met with the team tonight around 6:00 for a few minutes....


Carry on.

That on the heels of saying Narron and Krivsky were safe and doing a good job? What did he do, threaten to fire the team? :)

[KronoRed]

He told them to stop sucking obviously ;)

[MrCinatit]

I hope he didn't pass around a letter telling them how proud of them he was.
Didn't work out that well last year.

[VR]

Glad to see Gonzo and Ross where they belong--way down in the lineup.

I thought Lohse was sick?

I think Ross would be much better suited in the 5 or 6 hole....where his slugging potential could be maximized. He's OPS'd .800 for May, including 1.362 the last 8 games. Give him a bit of protection...let him see some better pitches.

Gonzo is much better suited for the 8 spot.

[Matt700wlw]

I think Ross would be much better suited in the 5 or 6 hole....where his slugging potential could be maximized. He's OPS'd .800 for May, including 1.362 the last 8 games. Give him a bit of protection...let him see some better pitches.

Gonzo is much better suited for the 8 spot.

The book says catchers bat 8th..

:)

Johnny Bench would probably bat 8th now... :)

In 1966, there was a lineup that had Pete batting 5th or 6th....that manager was fired mid-season.

[Matt700wlw]

Nuxhall hospitalized today with low blood pressure.

:(

All is fine...he'll be back on the air Saturday.....Marty solo tonight

[Matt700wlw]

Lopez promptly gets a hit

[jesusfan]

Guzman flys to JR... 1 down

[jesusfan]

Zimmerman K's... Lopez takes 2nd... 2 down

[Matt700wlw]

Zimmerman K's...

I wonder if he's related to Bob Dylan ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Joy.

[jesusfan]

ok... here we go again...

[jesusfan]

2-0 mid 1...

[Caveat Emperor]

I say we let this guy pitch. He never shakes any signs off.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3695/img010xd9.jpg

A great night for a game!

[jesusfan]

Is he pitching in converse Chuck Taylors? lol

[jesusfan]

Freel Baby!!

[jesusfan]

Hatte grounds to Young... 1 down

[Matt700wlw]

:freel:

:jump:

(delayed reaction :))

[jesusfan]

Zimmerman catches the ball half-way in the outfield... 2 down

[KronoRed]

Who broke the thread?

[jesusfan]

BP k's... bad AB.. end of 1 Nats 2 Reds 1...

[jesusfan]

Matsui just homered for the Yanks.. .3-0 A-Rod up, bet he gets plunked...

[Matt700wlw]

Matsui just homered for the Yanks.. .3-0 A-Rod up, bet he gets plunked...

That's because he's a dirty player ;)

[jesusfan]

Young grounds to BP... 1 down

[jesusfan]

Schneider doubles... I think a fan may have cussed Dunn out...

[Matt700wlw]

C Trent tells Marty he should have named Thom, "Nook"

Nook Brennaman

[jesusfan]

Lohse is scared of Nook Logan I guess...

[jesusfan]

Great... the circus continues... I'm leaving!!!!

[jesusfan]

I guess Edwin can't play catch now...

[KronoRed]

Put in Arroyo

[Matt700wlw]

What in the name of all things holy was that?

[jesusfan]

Simontacchi just smears one to the warning track.. Freel makes a good play... 2 down

[Matt700wlw]

Freel!

Lohse owes him a steak dinner from one of Jeff Ruby's fine establishments.

[jesusfan]

I didn't see the ball hit him...

[Matt700wlw]

7 errors for Gonzo.....(not sure that last one should have been charged to him)


Last season he had 7 total.


It's Cincinnati. It has to be. :)

[jesusfan]

I'm leaving tomorrow for the 4 game series with Pitt.... I sure hope the Reds decide to play well while I'm down there...

[jesusfan]

Lohse K's Lopez... mid 2, 3-1 nats..

[KronoRed]

7 errors for Gonzo.....(not sure that last one should have been charged to him)


Last season he had 7 total.


It's Cincinnati. It has to be. :)
I blame the river.

[VR]

gameday has that as an earned run?

[Matt700wlw]

I blame the river.

I blame Al Gore

[jesusfan]

Dunn K's... 63 of em...

[Ron Madden]

7 errors for Gonzo.....(not sure that last one should have been charged to him)

Why not? He threw the ball that bounced off of the runner.

[jesusfan]

I'm out to play ball... heres to a win!

[Matt700wlw]

Why not? He threw the ball that bounced off of the runner.

Did it? I couldn't tell....but maybe you could :)

[Matt700wlw]

A comedy of errors

[redsrule2500]

Is Thom really annoying anyone else by always saying something doesn't happen - only to have it happen 2 seconds later?!

It happens all the time. I called the K based on what Thom said...ugh

[Ron Madden]

Did it? I couldn't tell....but maybe you could :)

I didn't see the play. I'm just going by how Marty said the official scorer called the play.

[Matt700wlw]

I didn't see the play. I'm just going by how Marty said the official scorer called the play.

Gotcha....he couldn't really tell either.

That's why Glenn Sample gets the big bucks.

[TOBTTReds]

You can see the runner "shrug" when it hits him.

[Always Red]

That's why Glenn Sample gets the big bucks.

Hey....wait a minute. Does Glenn Sample get paid???? ;)

[Matt700wlw]

I'm about done with the Kyle Lohse debacle....

[CrackerJack]

Lohse - not so good, try again Wayne

[Matt700wlw]

Can we just bring somebody up?

[CTA513]

Lohse is making it really easy for the Reds not to give him a contract extention.

[MrCinatit]

The Nationals are another team which seems to own us.
That is depressing.

[Matt700wlw]

:roll: :bowrofl: :dancingco :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :angry: :bang: :help: :bash:

[pedro]

well this is going pretty well huh?

[CTA513]

Is it time to give Dumatrait a chance at starting in the majors?

[Aronchis]

Lohse will get DFA'd again. He got off to a decent start, but mentally, the guy is a lemon. He implodes at the first sign of danger.

Looks like Harang or Arroyo will have to be the Reds big tradebait this summer.

[Matt700wlw]

Looks like Harang or Arroyo will have to be the Reds big tradebait this summer.

Which would do what exactly?


A team in need of better arms giving up quality Major League arms.......sounds like a plan.

Unless you're getting at blowing the whole thing up and starting over....which I don't really want to do...again, but I could see the argument.

[Matt700wlw]

The fact that I'd rather throw Milton out there than Lohse really makes me question my sanity...

[CTA513]

Which would do what exactly?


A team in need of better arms giving up quality Major League arms.......sounds like a plan.

It would get rid of all the good starting pitching the Reds have.

[Matt700wlw]

It would get rid of all the good starting pitching the Reds have.

That's how you build a winner!! :beerme: :cool: :dancingco

[Aronchis]

It would get rid of all the good starting pitching the Reds have.

or bring back one far cheaper, more talented and ready to kick it into a extra gear plus is around Bailey's age. I wonder if the Mets are about out of patience with Mike Pelfrey? They already have played this game before.

[Matt700wlw]

The lifeless Reds at it again

[Matt700wlw]

Moeller to pinch hit...if they get that far.

[MrCinatit]

I have said this before, but I am all for letting Lohse go out there a few more innings and get smacked around.
Let the bullpen be saved for a pitcher who can actually keep the score close.

[Matt700wlw]

Now Lohse is on deck...

[Matt700wlw]

I have said this before, but I am all for letting Lohse go out there a few more innings and get smacked around.
Let the bullpen be saved for a pitcher who can actually keep the score close.


Might as well, I guess...

[Wheelhouse]

POOPTASTIC! How 'bout that for intelligent posting...

[Matt700wlw]

Joey Hamilton
Kyle Lohse
Eric Milton
Jeff Austin
Danny Graves


That's my rotation right there....

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse promptly gives up a lead off triple

[Wheelhouse]

Attendance isn't bad for these bozos.

[Matt700wlw]

Attendance isn't bad for these bozos.

Bobblehead night.

[Wheelhouse]

Ahhhh... nothing like statuary to fill the seats...

[Heath]

Well, Mr. Bailey. I think it's time.

We could always grab Sam LeCure and go "Brian Reith" on him :D

[MrCinatit]

Bobblehead night.

Remarkably, even the bobbleheads are shaking their heads in frustration.

[Wheelhouse]

Hey Matt any whiff of reconsideration about Narron amongst management? Or haven't you heard...

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

The Cincisaddy Dreads

[Matt700wlw]

Hey Matt any whiff of reconsideration about Narron amongst management? Or haven't you heard...

It hasn't come in a couple days, but they'll continue to back him.

He is a winner, after all......so we're told.

[CTA513]

The Reds are down by a bunch, this is usually when Burton and Salmon come in to pitch.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds are down by a bunch, this is usually when Burton and Salmon come in to pitch.

Coffey warming...

[VR]

22 runs so far in 2.5 games for the Nationals.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds are about to become the worst team in the National League...officially!

:owned:

They're not even competing for the NL Sub-Central this year.

[Matt700wlw]

They may as well just put a batting tee out there.

[LINEDRIVER]

stop the bleeding!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kc61]

Amazing how it always comes down to starting pitching in baseball. After a good start, the rotation has fallen apart. Even Harang has been ordinary so far. Lohse, forget it. Belisle -- not helping lately. Milton -- need I say more. Won't criticize Saarloos, he just started, and Arroyo was entitled to the bad outing last time -- he's been good.

Can't remember the last time a starter pitched a good game, maybe the Arroyo game when he threw about 150 pitches and lost at the end.

This winter, many of us thought the Reds needed to pick up another good starter. We were wrong. They needed three.

[CTA513]

The Reds are about to become the worst team in the National League...officially!

:owned:

They're not even competing for the NL Sub-Central this year.

Might as well start giving some guys in the minors a chance this year.

[LINEDRIVER]

doesnt ManLove pitch enough? he's got to get in this blowout?

[Marc D]

I turned it off, what's the score up to now?

[MrCinatit]

The Reds are about to become the worst team in the National League...officially!

:owned:

They're not even competing for the NL Sub-Central this year.

If KC loses tonight, they will be tied with Texas and the Royals for worst record in baseball.
Narron takes out Lohse - I seriously do disagree with this move. A waste of a bullpen arm in a waste of a game. Lohse looks like he could care less out there, so I am all for watching him continue to get slammed.

[Matt700wlw]

Might as well start giving some guys in the minors a chance this year.

If the Reds pay for my gas, I'll go start picking them up

[Matt700wlw]

Bob's pep-talk worked tonight ;)

[LINEDRIVER]

Reds could send Lohse home but they would owe him approx 3 mill

[LINEDRIVER]

I was thinking today about the possibility of Coutlangus becoming a starter next year. I could see him becoming another Jerry Koosman/Claude Osteen type.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds could send Lohse home but they would owe him approx 3 mill

Wow. Great decision on the part of the "brain trust" of the club.

[Matt700wlw]

:clap:

Cheerleaders in mini skirts

:clap:

[Matt700wlw]

Wow. Great decision on the part of the "brain trust" of the club.

http://www.zalma.com/MONEY_BURNING.jpg

[LINEDRIVER]

Lohse signed a one-year deal for 4.2 mill

[CTA513]

Reds could send Lohse home but they would owe him approx 3 mill

Its a good thing the Reds didn't sign him to a longer contract like he was talking about wanting after his good start to the season.

[Falls City Beer]

Wow. Great decision on the part of the "brain trust" of the club.

The Reds could have paid me in season tickets, and I could have advised them not to take on Lohse.

I'm a genius. Krivsky's not.

[Matt700wlw]

6 run homer coming...

[Falls City Beer]

Amazing how it always comes down to starting pitching in baseball. After a good start, the rotation has fallen apart. Even Harang has been ordinary so far. Lohse, forget it. Belisle -- not helping lately. Milton -- need I say more. Won't criticize Saarloos, he just started, and Arroyo was entitled to the bad outing last time -- he's been good.

Can't remember the last time a starter pitched a good game, maybe the Arroyo game when he threw about 150 pitches and lost at the end.

This winter, many of us thought the Reds needed to pick up another good starter. We were wrong. They needed three.

Nice revisionist history. Two other people and I thought we needed starters--everyone else laughed and said we were fine.

I work cheap, Bob.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds could have paid me in season tickets, and I could have advised them not to take on Lohse.

I'm a genius. Krivsky's not.

I've seen some of your ideas....I don't think I'd want you in charge of this club, either.


No offense. :)

[KronoRed]

I'm a genius. Krivsky's not.

I've been advocating hiring you for years but nobody listens.:D

[Heath]

I think Kyle Lohse was given this year to prove, once and for all, he's pitching challenged.

But, with a live arm, someone will pick him up.

So, who's starting the Mark Redman watch?

:bang:

[CTA513]

Simontacchi has given up 3 runs or more in his 3 starts this year.

Reds got 1 run off him.

[Falls City Beer]

I've seen some of your ideas....I don't think I'd want you in charge of this club, either.


No offense. :)

Keep backpedalling. :devil:

[WVRedsFan]

Lohse signed a one-year deal for 4.2 mill

Let's see...Cormier, Ross, Stanton, Lohse, Coffey. How many millions wasted? There was once a time we couldn't afford to sign anyone and now we burn money on those less than talented.

What improvement!

[Falls City Beer]

I think Wayne needs to sign Pat Watkins.

[Matt700wlw]

So, who's starting the Mark Redman watch?

:bang:

Joe Mays is looking for work

[CTA513]

Joe Mays is looking for work

Ill pitch for cheaper and will give you about the same results.

:D

[Ron Madden]

I've seen some of your ideas....I don't think I'd want you in charge of this club, either.


No offense. :)


FCB or Special K ?

Think I'll start listening to Krono. ;)

[KronoRed]

FCB or Special K ?

Think I'll start listening to Krono. ;)

I can replace John Allen


It'll be glorious!:devil:

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey's awesome when there's no pressure.

:devil:

[Ron Madden]

I can replace John Allen


It'll be glorious!:devil:

I know you would. :beerme:

[WVRedsFan]

How long will the fan base put up with Narron and Krivsky? Castellini?

Yes, they don't bat and throw, but Krivsky put this mess together with the advice of Narron (if it goes like it usually does) and Narron picked these guys--so you can't say he has nothing to work with. I'm really depressed over how he built this club which is about to eclipse Miley's record for losses in the same number of games. Sad.

[Matt700wlw]

By the way, Homer DOMINATED today.....and Votto kept his hitting streak alive.

[WVRedsFan]

Wish Stormy would chime in with his opinion. I see you...:evil:

[Falls City Beer]

How long will the fan base put up with Narron and Krivsky? Castellini?

Yes, they don't bat and throw, but Krivsky put this mess together with the advice of Narron (if it goes like it usually does) and Narron picked these guys--so you can't say he has nothing to work with. I'm really depressed over how he built this club which is about to eclipse Miley's record for losses in the same number of games. Sad.

The fans haven't come back at all. No pressure yet, I guess.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn's 600th career walk

[membengal]

Not that anyone cares, but sometime around the fourth inning I offically gave up my pipe dream that Lohse would rebound to give the Reds enough quality outings to make him desireable for another team this summer. Oh well, back to hoping for Power Ball.

[CTA513]

By the way, Homer DOMINATED today.....and Votto kept his hitting streak alive.

Homer pitched yesterday, Louisville is off today.

:p:

[Puffy]

Nice revisionist history. Two other people and I thought we needed starters--everyone else laughed and said we were fine.

I work cheap, Bob.

I think there were more than two. I know I was one of them and I gotta think there was more than just one more of us.

Guys like Lohse, Saarloss - these guys were bad for a reason. Cause there are not good.

But its the Reds fans of the 00's - new has to be better, right? It was to be better than Dave Williams. It has to be better than Brandon Claussen. Or Jimmy Hayes. Etc

[Matt700wlw]

Homer pitched yesterday, Louisville is off today.

:p:

Fine...yesterday :D


It's Groundhog Day...at least it feels like it.

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilon update....

Had tests today, and the original diagnosis was correct....he will rest for a couple of days and then work his way back into baseball.

[CTA513]

Encarnacion pops out after trying to hit a 6 run homerun.

[Falls City Beer]

I think there were more than two. I know I was one of them and I gotta think there was more than just one more of us.

Guys like Lohse, Saarloss - these guys were bad for a reason. Cause there are not good.

But its the Reds fans of the 00's - new has to be better, right? It was to be better than Dave Williams. It has to be better than Brandon Claussen. Or Jimmy Hayes. Etc

Part exaggeration, but let's not kid ourselves, there sure as heck weren't many of us.

[WVRedsFan]

Eddie just bailed the pitcher out.

[edabbs44]

I think there were more than two. I know I was one of them and I gotta think there was more than just one more of us.

Guys like Lohse, Saarloss - these guys were bad for a reason. Cause there are not good.

But its the Reds fans of the 00's - new has to be better, right? It was to be better than Dave Williams. It has to be better than Brandon Claussen. Or Jimmy Hayes. Etc

Oh, I was definitely one of them as well.

[CTA513]

Reds better start hitting homeruns if they want to score.

[Heath]

Encarnacion pops out after trying to hit a 6 run homerun.

Its stuff like this that will not endear himself to the present manager.

[Marc D]

How long will the fan base put up with Narron and Krivsky? Castellini?

Yes, they don't bat and throw, but Krivsky put this mess together with the advice of Narron (if it goes like it usually does) and Narron picked these guys--so you can't say he has nothing to work with. I'm really depressed over how he built this club which is about to eclipse Miley's record for losses in the same number of games. Sad.


It pretty hard to follow Lidner, Dan O and Miley and still manage to get a large section of the fan base asking these questions inside of 2 years.

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey to pitch a 3rd inning which should make him available tomorrow night to hold a lead in the 8th

[Matt700wlw]

Add another to the tally

[37red]

Another case of a player not hustling to first that cost loading the bases.

[CTA513]

Coffey helps out my fantasy team by giving up a homerun to Zimmerman.

It might be time to send him down to the minors to work on his pitching or just leave him up here to get smacked around more.

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Back to back HRs by back to back Ryans.

[LINEDRIVER]

Is Chris Welsh in a bad mood or just sick of the same ole crap night after night?

[Puffy]

I do have to admit - I stated that the Reds were one major injury from losing 90+ games this year.

I was wrong. This team can easily lose 90 even if they stay healthy. Not saying they will, although it looks very likely at the present, but they are slightly worse than I originally feared.

[Matt700wlw]

How about the trifecta?

Anyone? Anyone?

[CTA513]

Send Coffey to AAA and bring up Majewski, who is pitching pretty well this month.

[Matt700wlw]

I do have to admit - I stated that the Reds were one major injury from losing 90+ games this year.

I was wrong. This team can easily lose 90 even if they stay healthy. Not saying they will, although it looks very likely at the present, but they are slightly worse than I originally feared.


90? They may lose 100!

[WVRedsFan]

It just gets worser and badder.

[CTA513]

If anyone wants to know Coffey has given up 6 homeruns this season in 23+ innings.

[Matt700wlw]

Send Coffey to AAA and bring up Majewski, who is pitching pretty well this month.

I'm told by some of the "experts" on this board that he is nothing better than the junk that's up here now.


I'm willing to try it. This is doing no good.

[Aronchis]

I wish the Reds would bring up Medlock so I could compare and contrast him to Todd Coffey.

[LINEDRIVER]

Send Coffey to AAA and bring up Majewski, who is pitching pretty well this month.

Krivsky signed Coffey to an extension for 2008 that will pay him 900K. That's more then double what he's being paid this year for this kind of stuff.

[Puffy]

90? They may lose 100!

Sure - they may. But there is still a lot of baseball left. They will get hot for a stretch, its just a matter of how long they can sustain it and whether it is enough to keep them under 90. 100, well, they'll really have to try to get 100 losses

[Matt700wlw]

Krivsky signed Coffey to an extension for 2008 that will pay him 900K. That's more then double what he's being paid this year for this kind of stuff.

Krivsky's done a pretty good job bringing in guys who aren't pitchers (Phillips, Ross, Hamilton, Gonzalez), but when it comes to pitchers, he strikes out more than they do.

[KronoRed]

With a loss tonight I believe they are on pace for 100 losses

[Matt700wlw]

This is a good way to celebrate the 25th anniversary of the very forgettable 1982 season.

[Kc61]

If Coffey pitches a couple of more innings, he may only be able to go three tomorrow night.

Todd hasn't had a good year, but he really is a workhorse. Just throws and throws and throws. I'm not upset that he is signed for next year, he just needs to be used as a middle inning guy rather than a late inning guy.

Well, I see they're hitting for Todd. So now he will be fresh for tomorrow.

Wonder if Jerry is going to give Cout a couple of innings here.

[LINEDRIVER]

With a loss tonight I believe they are on pace for 100 losses

affirmative

[Puffy]

With a loss tonight I believe they are on pace for 100 losses

So, we got that going for us. Which is nice!

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[WVRedsFan]

Krivsky's done a pretty good job bringing in guys who aren't pitchers (Phillips, Ross, Hamilton, Gonzalez), but when it comes to pitchers, he strikes out more than they do.

Didn't he also bring in Castro, Conine, Moeller, and Hopper? Wasn't Ross a flash in the pan? Hamilton is unproven and Gonzalez is back to his true form after a hot streak. And he's made 7 errors, I think.

I don't see much on either side --pitching or hitting. Take out Arroyo and Phillips and it's been a disaster.

[Matt700wlw]

http://images.fishstripes.com/images/admin/monkey1_1024x768b_thumb.jpg

[edabbs44]

Krivsky's done a pretty good job bringing in guys who aren't pitchers (Phillips, Ross, Hamilton, Gonzalez), but when it comes to pitchers, he strikes out more than they do.

Ross? By definition, I guess he did do a good job of bringing him to Cincinnati.

[edabbs44]

Didn't he also bring in Castro, Conine, Moeller, and Hopper? Wasn't Ross a flash in the pan? Hamilton is unproven and Gonzalez is back to his true form after a hot streak. And he's made 7 errors, I think.

I don't see much on either side --pitching or hitting. Take out Arroyo and Phillips and it's been a disaster.

Uh huh. Krivsky has made this team worse. Much worse.

He's been here for just over a year. Do you wait and see for another year to see if he does have a plan? Or is that just another year for him to make this team older and less competitive, if that's possible?

[Matt700wlw]

Didn't he also bring in Castro, Conine, Moeller, and Hopper? Wasn't Ross a flash in the pan? Hamilton is unproven and Gonzalez is back to his true form after a hot streak. And he's made 7 errors, I think.

I don't see much on either side --pitching or hitting. Take out Arroyo and Phillips and it's been a disaster.

Ross' defense has been good, which is the most important thing for a catcher....I'd take Gonzo over Lopez, Clayon, or whomever else has played there recently, I think Hopper was here before (I may be wrong, I'm not sure where he came from), my biggest beef with Conine is batting him 4th (which isn't his fault), Moeller...pretty much taking up a roster spot from a hitter, Hamilton...come on, if he pans out, it's the steal of the century (maybe not century), if he doesn't, he didn't cost them much (in baseball terms), Castro......his glove isn't what it was a few years ago. I liked him better in his first go-around here.


That's why I said "pretty good"

[KronoRed]

http://images.fishstripes.com/images/admin/monkey1_1024x768b_thumb.jpg

He only works for teams with the DH

[Matt700wlw]

He only works for teams with the DH

One could argue, this team has 2 DHs...

:p:

[Matt700wlw]

Dave Miley listening to tonight's broadcast...

[Matt700wlw]

Nothing like a battle of two really bad bullpens....

:)

[KronoRed]

Dave Miley listening to tonight's broadcast...

and laughing like crazy? :D

[Matt700wlw]

and laughing like crazy? :D

Probably :D

[Matt700wlw]

A comedy of errors....

Ray King wants to squish the ump

[Matt700wlw]

This is like watching that really bad late night movie that for some reason you just can't turn off...

[CTA513]

The Ump gave the Nationals some borderline strikes the last two at bats when they could barely even throw strikes to begin with.

[TeamBoone]

What the heck just happened? Why was King ejected?

Also, I wonder what it's like for Kearns to have the guy on his team who basically ruined him for a year or so.

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

here we go!!

[vaticanplum]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds won a baseball game?

[Matt700wlw]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds won a baseball game?

Does this count as a baseball game?

[KronoRed]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds won a baseball game?
Against the worst team in the NL?

Sure would.

[CTA513]

Those two homeruns Coffey gave up look like even bigger runs now that the Reds scored 4 runs to make it 9-5 Nationals.

[edabbs44]

Those two homeruns Coffey gave up look like even bigger runs now that the Reds scored 4 runs to make it 9-5 Nationals.

That 7 spot given up by Lohse looks even worse.

[vaticanplum]

Does this count as a baseball game?

:laugh:

[vaticanplum]

That 7 spot given up by Lohse looks even worse.

No, that pretty much looked flatcrap awful already.

[Heath]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Reds won a baseball game?



Wouldn't it be nice if we were older
Then we wouldn't have to wait so long
And wouldn't it be nice to live together
In the kind of world where we belong

You know its gonna make it that much better
When we can say goodnight and stay together

Wouldn't it be nice if we could wake up
In the morning when the day is new
And after having spent the day together
Hold each other close the whole night through

Happy times together we've been spending
I wish that every kiss was neverending
Wouldn't it be nice

Maybe if we think and wish and hope and pray it might come true
Baby then there wouldn't be a single thing we couldn't do
We could be married
And then we'd be happy

Wouldn't it be nice

You know it seems the more we talk about it
It only makes it worse to live without it
But lets talk about it
Wouldn't it be nice

daaaa daaaa daaaa daaaa

[Heath]

Here's something new - I'm going to clean up dishes now.

:eek:

[edabbs44]

No, that pretty much looked flatcrap awful already.

True. I hated that trade from day one and even I can't believe his ERA is 5.46 already. This has been a death spiral he has been in.

[vaticanplum]

Here's something new - I'm going to clean up dishes now.

:eek:

That sounds amazing, heath.

I like Marty better when he's by himself. I think he forces himself to behave better and take over the standard announcer role: opinions, but calmer and more balanced.

[Matt700wlw]

That sounds amazing, heath.

I like Marty better when he's by himself. I think he forces himself to behave better and take over the standard announcer role: opinions, but calmer and more balanced.

He'd sound senile if he talked to himself...

Marty: "I can't believe he just did that! It never ends!"

Marty: "I agree Marty, he has shown no sign of improvement at all!"

[KronoRed]

I like Marty better when he's by himself. I think he forces himself to behave better and take over the standard announcer role: opinions, but calmer and more balanced.

Agreed, he's 42% better when he's alone.

[Aronchis]

True. I hated that trade from day one and even I can't believe his ERA is 5.46 already. This has been a death spiral he has been in.

Nope, the trade did what it was meant to do, especially since they gave up very little. The problem was Krivsky's desire to continue on with it, much like his fetish with Castro.

[Matt700wlw]

ANOTHER error for Gonzalez....he has more errors this season than he had ALL of last season.

Players REGRESS when they come here.

[TeamBoone]

It always kills me when the announcers go ballistic over a missed play every time multiple players are running for the ball because it probably happens about 95% of the time (I'm just guessing; didn't look it up).

And, IMHO, the reason it happens is because neither calls for the ball (from EE's reaction, I don't think he even knew Gonzo was there), or someone calls for the ball but isn't heard because of the crowd noise, or they both hold off at the last second to avoid a collison... which is the wise thing to do in my opinion.

[flyer85]

Tonight should signal the end of Gonzo and gold glove talk. He is what he has mostly always been, a pretty average defensive SS

[Matt700wlw]

Another double switch...Stanton to pitch, and Castro to take over SS duties

[edabbs44]

Nope, the trade did what it was meant to do, especially since they gave up very little. The problem was Krivsky's desire to continue on with it, much like his fetish with Castro.

What was it meant to do? They were 3-8 in games he started last season. The trade should have been meant to improve the team.

And to say they gave up very little is a bit nearsighted. They gave up cash last season to Lohse and a guy who is pitching pretty well in High A. I'd call do-over if I could on this trade in a heartbeat.

[flyer85]

ANOTHER error for Gonzalez....he has more errors this season than he had ALL of last season.

Players REGRESS when they come here.he had a career defensive season last season, likely never to be repeated

[Matt700wlw]

I can just see a grand slam coming...

[edabbs44]

ANOTHER error for Gonzalez....he has more errors this season than he had ALL of last season.

Players REGRESS when they come here.

So happy there is another 2 years on his contract. Next year we can enjoy his $5 million, Stanton's $2-3 million, Castro's $1 million and Ross' $2 million and change.

[CTA513]

When Burton hits someone he sure makes it count, none of those ball clipped the jersey hit by pitches.

[flyer85]

What was it meant to do? They were 3-8 in games he started last season. The trade should have been meant to improve the team.

And to say they gave up very little is a bit nearsighted. They gave up cash last season to Lohse and a guy who is pitching pretty well in High A. I'd call do-over if I could on this trade in a heartbeat.The mistake was not letting him walk. They got what they wanted from him after the trade last year.

[flyer85]

So happy there is another 2 years on his contract. Next year we can enjoy his $5 million, Stanton's $2-3 million, Castro's $1 million and Ross' $2 million and change.that where the "payflex" from the trade went

[Matt700wlw]

Pitcher and Valentin not on the same page...

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

Mike Stanton is abysmal.


This is the Nationals....the Nationals.

[guttle11]

:laugh:

[CTA513]

Burton could have done that.

[flyer85]

:laugh:

Mike Stanton is abysmal.PECOTA said that heading into the season. Reds are as well

[Aronchis]

What was it meant to do? They were 3-8 in games he started last season. The trade should have been meant to improve the team.

And to say they gave up very little is a bit nearsighted. They gave up cash last season to Lohse and a guy who is pitching pretty well in High A. I'd call do-over if I could on this trade in a heartbeat.

Sorry, but Lohse was meant to give the Reds another arm last summer to haul in some innings, which he did for little price.

These moves are made all the time. Krivsky has many worse sins than Lohse last year(such as KEEPING Lohse this year). We all know his MO in full season situations. A few bad starts, then a couple of good starts. Pretty simple. Krivsky's fetish didn't allow the deal to end as it should of, but that is Wayne's problem. The deal when made, was a typical mid-season move.

[edabbs44]

The mistake was not letting him walk. They got what they wanted from him after the trade last year.

Not letting him walk was the second mistake. As I stated earlier, they were 3-8 in games he started after he was acquired and he let up 4 or more runs in 5 of his last 7 starts after a good start.

I think they were looking for a little more when they acquired him.

[TeamBoone]

This is so disappointing, and to me, it could have been avoided. Why bring Stanton in AGAIN tonight.

And you wonder why the team is depressed?

[vaticanplum]

I went outside for a minute...what did Ryan Church do?

[CTA513]

I went outside for a minute...what did Ryan Church do?

Hit a 3 run double off Stanton.

[KronoRed]

So happy there is another 2 years on his contract. Next year we can enjoy his $5 million, Stanton's $2-3 million, Castro's $1 million and Ross' $2 million and change.

It's like Milton only spread across 4 roster spots.

[TeamBoone]

No one ever told me why King was ejected.

[guttle11]

The only intrigue left in this season is Homer, Votto, Edwin and possibly Bruce for a couple weeks in September(provided he does well in AA.)

[edabbs44]

that where the "payflex" from the trade went

Exactly. Thank God they saved that money.

[Matt700wlw]

I went outside for a minute...what did Ryan Church do?

You'd rather not know.

[edabbs44]

I went outside for a minute...what did Ryan Church do?

He ended Stanton's career as a Red. $20 says he goes on the DL within the next 3 days.

[Matt700wlw]

He ended Stanton's career as a Red. $20 says he goes on the DL within the next 3 days.

I'd prefer 3 minutes

[Virginia Beach Reds]

Stanton looks like that dude that wakes up after the 'big party' hung over looking for the juice. You want to tell him to get the heck out and begin a new day, but he sits down on the sofa and looks for the remote.

[flyer85]

I think they were looking for a little more when they acquired him.well if they were then they are dumber than I thought. He gave them a little more than what could have been reasonably expected.

[vaticanplum]

And you wonder why the team is depressed?

TB, you are mixed up. We are depressed. The team is just bad. ;)

[Joseph]

18-29 barring a miracle.

The WORST team in baseball in the standings.

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse's last 3 starts

Total: 10 ings, 24 hits, 17 runs

[Stormy]

Wish Stormy would chime in with his opinion. I see you...:evil:


1.) It's great to see you, WV. :beerme:

2.) I wish this team would give fans something of positive substance to discuss. The flaws are pandemic, and undermine each facet of the team. Aside from a few promising prospects on the nearing horizon, 2-3 young position players on the MLB roster, and 2 struggling front of the rotation starters... I'm not even sure where you begin the process of rebuilding this team. Moreover, with his trade evaluations, and bullpen/bench constructs, I'm not in favor of Krivsky being the guy to deal away key pieces in the process of obtaining rebuilding materials.

[vaticanplum]

I want to reiterate that Marty is REALLY toned down tonight. It's kind of freaking me out, to be honest. If Thom was in the booth with him for this game I think I would have heard a pop as Marty exploded in frustration by this point.

[Joseph]

Stanton looks like that dude that wakes up after the 'big party' hung over looking for the juice. You want to tell him to get the heck out and begin a new day, but he sits down on the sofa and looks for the remote.

You did a stint in a frat house didn't you?

[Aronchis]

well if they were then they are dumber than I thought. He gave them a little more than what could have been reasonably expected.

The deal itself was fine in the present of 2006, but extending him onward to 2007 was stupid.

If I was Cast, I would ask around if firing Krivsky would cause much of a backlash. He looks like he is overwhelmed. The mis-management has been piling up on him for a year now.

[edabbs44]

well if they were then they are dumber than I thought. He gave them a little more than what could have been reasonably expected.

I don't want to carry this on any more than necessary, but seriously? He was a disaster in September.

From 8/23 to 9/23 his ERA rose from 5.44 to 6.04. At that stage of the season that's pretty tough to do. Unless they were looking for slightly better than Milton, they were disappointed.

He started out well but collapsed down the stretch, along with most of the team.

[Falls City Beer]

Blow it up, Wayne. Make it yours.

[oneupper]

Blow it up, Wayne. Make it yours.

How about "make it good"?

[vaticanplum]

Blow it up, Wayne. Make it yours.

Or, just wave a sparkler around a little bit and hope that the wind doesn't kill it within a couple of minutes.

[Falls City Beer]

How about "make it good"?

I couldn't resist the cruel irony of retrieving that rallying cry that echoed through the arbors not more than 16 months ago.

:devil:

[KronoRed]

Blow it up, Wayne. Make it yours.

This is Wayne's team. Horrifyingly

[Falls City Beer]

This is Wayne's team.

I know. See above.