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Reds Fanatic
05-24-2007, 02:42 PM
Reds lineup per C. Trent. Will post the other lineup when I find it.


Nationals (18 - 29)
5th in NL East
Reds (18 - 29)
6th in NL Central

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. F Lopez, 2B .246 3 16 6
2. C Guzman, SS .266 0 4 1
3. R Zimmerman, 3B .250 6 22 2
4. R Church, LF .273 5 24 3
5. A Kearns, RF .243 5 18 0
6. D Young, 1B .271 4 20 0
7. B Schneider, C .239 2 17 0
8. N Logan, CF .250 0 3 3
9. M Bacsik, P .000 0 0 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, CF .272 2 11 8
2. A Gonzalez, SS .247 7 17 0
3. K Griffey Jr., RF .304 10 29 2
4. B Phillips, 2B .284 8 27 8
5. J Conine, 1B .291 2 15 2
6. A Dunn, LF .258 11 26 7
7. E Encarnacion, 3B .220 1 16 2
8. D Ross, C .208 5 15 0
9. M Belisle, P .000 0 1 0


Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
M Bacsik 0 0 0.00 1.00 1

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
M Belisle 4 3 4.58 1.35 37

BRM
05-24-2007, 03:13 PM
Good grief.

KronoRed
05-24-2007, 03:16 PM
So againest a 29 year old lefty with 39 innings pitched in the last 5 years we're going to make it easy on him.

CTA513
05-24-2007, 03:39 PM
What has Gonzalez done that says he should bat second?

BRM
05-24-2007, 03:43 PM
What has Gonzalez done that says he should bat second?

Make lots of outs?

Reds Fanatic
05-24-2007, 04:01 PM
What has Gonzalez done that says he should bat second?Looking at his stats the only spot in the order Gonzalez has had success is batting 7th.

Batting 7th he is hitting .329 with an OPS of .923 in 73 ABs
Batting 2nd he is hitting .286 in 7 ABs
Batting 5th he is hitting .176 with an OPS of .569 in 51 ABs
Batting 6th he is hitting .136 with an OPS .572 in 22 ABs

Gonzalez is not a good hitter period but based on stats he appears comfortable in one spot batting 7th.

BRM
05-24-2007, 04:12 PM
Gonzalez has logged 1025 plate appearances in the 2 hole in his career. He's put up this line: .252/.298/.391 for an OPS of .689

Big Klu
05-24-2007, 04:28 PM
Right personnel; wrong order. I would prefer:

Freel cf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn lf
Conine 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Belisle p

Joseph
05-24-2007, 04:34 PM
Right personnel; wrong order. I would prefer:

Freel cf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn lf
Conine 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Belisle p

Jane you ignorant sl ut.

Don't you know batting lefties back to back will only lead to them bringing in a lefty specialist in the 8th inning when we've got 2 on and two out and we won't score anymore?

pedro
05-24-2007, 04:36 PM
Jane you ignorant ****.

Don't you know batting lefties back to back will only lead to them bringing in a lefty specialist in the 8th inning when we've got 2 on and two out and we won't score anymore?

http://www.dougquick.com/nbc_SNL_chase.jpg

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 04:48 PM
Jane you ignorant ****.

Don't you know batting lefties back to back will only lead to them bringing in a lefty specialist in the 8th inning when we've got 2 on and two out and we won't score anymore?

They wouldn't anyway :p:

missionhockey21
05-24-2007, 04:51 PM
This has to be the most exposure Chevy has gotten in years.

As for the lineups, I am not a fan at all of Gonzalez batting second (for obvious reasons) or Phillips batting fourth (overly aggressive). To Narron (or really any manager we've had in the past few dreaded years), the two spot just seems like a total throw away spot in the lineup. Gonzalez has slugged at a much higher clip than most anticipated, but it's hard to overlook at that borderline .300 OBP statistic tied to his name.

CTA513
05-24-2007, 04:56 PM
Right personnel; wrong order. I would prefer:

Freel cf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn lf
Conine 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Belisle p


If Encarnacion starts hitting like he did last year then I wouldn't mind seeing him batting 4th.

BRM
05-24-2007, 04:59 PM
This has to be the most exposure Chevy has gotten in years.

As for the lineups, I am not a fan at all of Gonzalez batting second (for obvious reasons) or Phillips batting fourth (overly aggressive). To Narron (or really any manager we've had in the past few dreaded years), the two spot just seems like a total throw away spot in the lineup. Gonzalez has slugged at a much higher clip than most anticipated, but it's hard to overlook at that borderline .300 OBP statistic tied to his name.

His OBP in May is a paltry .233. His slugging in May is only .380. If he must play, bat him no higher than 7th.

Big Klu
05-24-2007, 05:15 PM
Jane you ignorant ****.

Don't you know batting lefties back to back will only lead to them bringing in a lefty specialist in the 8th inning when we've got 2 on and two out and we won't score anymore?

Yeah, but if we can hammer 'em in innings 1-7, it won't matter much! :p:





If Encarnacion starts hitting like he did last year then I wouldn't mind seeing him batting 4th.

Agreed, though I would prefer him hitting fifth. But until he starts hitting better, I don't mind Conine hitting ahead of him. (Against righties, I would still hit him fifth, ahead of Hatteberg. After all, you can't have three lefties in a row! :D)

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:00 PM
By the way, Belisle isn't exactly feeling well either....he would have pitched yesterday for Lohse if he wasn't sick....but he was.

This is according to Jerry on the pregame.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:12 PM
So it begins....

Guzman's FIRST homer of the year.



Wow.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:18 PM
This is bad....it's May 24th, and the game threads are dwindling...

It is going to be a long summer :(

oneupper
05-24-2007, 07:21 PM
This is bad....it's May 24th, and the game threads are dwindling...

It is going to be a long summer :(

We should invite some of the SunDeck guys to do pbp...:D

flyer85
05-24-2007, 07:21 PM
Reds have made Guzman look like a real major league hitter

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:23 PM
Nice play by Kearns

oneupper
05-24-2007, 07:24 PM
Two line drives...two outs.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 07:24 PM
Reds have yet to see a good pitcher in this series with the exception of Cordero

RBA
05-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Kearns showing some leather. Why did we trade this guy again?

vaticanplum
05-24-2007, 07:25 PM
My favorite line of a couple of years ago, from a DC columnist:

"The 40-year-old virgin has a better on-base percentage than Cristian Guzman."

Except, you know, when he's up against the Reds.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:25 PM
It's the Austin Kearns show

oneupper
05-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Make that three.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:25 PM
Kearns showing some leather. Why did we trade this guy again?

To shore up the bullpen

KronoRed
05-24-2007, 07:28 PM
Go Reds

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:33 PM
Phillips grounds to SS.

1 down.

red-in-la
05-24-2007, 07:34 PM
You could have two guys traded for each other facing each other later on....best reason not to switch over to Glavine versus Smoltz.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:34 PM
Conine FO to LF

2 down, Dunn up. Que Night Ranger.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:35 PM
Dunn GO to 2B.

End of 2 Nat's 1, reds 0.

Chip R
05-24-2007, 07:39 PM
Every game this series the Nats have scored first.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:39 PM
Belisle K's Logan after getting to a full count.

1 down.

membengal
05-24-2007, 07:40 PM
Let the winning begin!

Oh, wait. I forgot the team was not doing that this year.

By the way, it's like the book of Exodus in that clubhouse and their current issues are with disease. I fully expect a plague of locusts before the summer is out. Will no one be the Moses to lead this team to the promised land? Or is that too Jewish for Narron and the would-be Moses might end up dealt for a reliever before he can lead us out of the wilderness?

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:40 PM
GO to SS by their pitcher whose name I can't spell without looking.

2 out.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:42 PM
1-2-3 inning as FeLo grounds to ss.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:46 PM
EE grounds to 3b.

1 out.

membengal
05-24-2007, 07:46 PM
Doesn't Castellini have to be concerned at some point that he owns a team that no one really wants to watch play? If anything happens to Jr. at this point, I think the only ones who will show up on non-bobble head nights are those that have to be there.

It's why I think, after Hamilton gets off the DL after a rehab stint at L'ville, that Homer won't be too far behind him.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 07:47 PM
When did the Nationals pick up Cy Young?

I missed that transaction

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:48 PM
Ross K's after getting ahead 2-0

2 down, Belisle up.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:50 PM
Belisle draws the walk to end the perfect game.

Freel up with 2 out.

Heath
05-24-2007, 07:51 PM
So far, Matt Bacsik is - circle answer

a - making C. trent reach into his Hungarian-English dictionary for the meaning of Bacsik. (Which is Cy Young)
b - doing his best Alex Madrid impersonation
c - having Reds players making their "bat-sick"
d - Pitching an no-no.
e - ALL THE above

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:51 PM
Freel FO to LF.

End of 3, Reds 0, Nats 1

Heath
05-24-2007, 07:54 PM
When did the Nationals pick up Cy Young?

I missed that transaction

Me too. Although Young was a Nap, not a Nat.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:55 PM
Guzman 2 for 2.

On with a single to center.

membengal
05-24-2007, 07:56 PM
At what point does the embarrassment get to be too much for ownership? At what point does WK have to answer for what he has put together?

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:56 PM
IF single to 3B for Zimmerman.

He's on my fantasy team.

2 on, none out.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 07:57 PM
Church pops up to 3B.

2 on, 1 down.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:00 PM
Same old garbage....another night

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:00 PM
Kearns with a single to LF. Dunn makes it close at the plate as Guzman scores.

Ross did a good job blocking, just off a little.

DY follows with a single and Zimmerman scores.

3-0 Nats.

Are we really going to lose 3 of 4 to the worst team in baseball?

Oh wait, thats us.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:00 PM
Ross just has no clue about taking a throw and blocking the plate

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:01 PM
Flyball to Freel in center.

2 down.

Falls City Beer
05-24-2007, 08:02 PM
Ross just has no clue about taking a throw and blocking the plate

I feel no compunctions about calling that man the worst defensive catcher I've seen on the Reds in my lifetime.

membengal
05-24-2007, 08:02 PM
They would not have had him anyway, flyer. At least harris, maj and bray have given as good as kearns and lopez this series. Oh, wait.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:03 PM
Ross just has no clue about taking a throw and blocking the plate

You're right upon seeing the replay again. I thought Guzman just beat him by a hair, but Ross was too far out front.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:06 PM
I missed the Nats final out.

Reds lead off the bottom of the 4th with a single to center.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:07 PM
I feel no compunctions about calling that man the worst defensive catcher I've seen on the Reds in my lifetime.

He can gun runners down, which is part of defense....so I don't think you can call him the worst.

Your point is well taken though, getting an out at home is not a common occurance on this team, when the opportunity is there.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:09 PM
Jr FO to LF.

1 on, 1 out.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:10 PM
Phillips singles to left

2 on, 1 down.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:11 PM
Conine hits into the 6-4-3.

End of 4

3-0 Nats

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:12 PM
You're right upon seeing the replay again. I thought Guzman just beat him by a hair, but Ross was too far out front.
he gave him a clear path to a third of the plate ... might as well not block any of it

puca
05-24-2007, 08:12 PM
He can gun runners down, which is part of defense....so I don't think you can call him the worst.

Your point is well taken though, getting an out at home is not a common occurance on this team, when the opportunity is there.

He is a catcher that seemingly has trouble catching the ball. At least that is what I remember him by from last year. So many dropped throws.

Seems like an odd problem to have as a catcher.

TeamBoone
05-24-2007, 08:12 PM
It certainly doesn't help that the last two nights the starters are sick, or at least under the weather.

They should have done what JN contemplated yesterday, flip-flop Loche and Belisle.

Loche started the season so well; how does one go downhill so fast (except last night, I blame it on illness).

And, speaking of starters, what's the news on Elizardo? He did well for about half the season before he fell off the edge. So we know he can do it.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:12 PM
The nats have started three of the most abysmal starters in the majors the last three nights and the Reds haven't been able to hit any of them.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:13 PM
That was not a scrappy veteran AB from Conine ... ground into a DP on the first pitch trying to pull a low and away changeup

Kc61
05-24-2007, 08:14 PM
I hope Matt Belisle can keep the game close. I know many RedsZoners think he is a good pitcher. I think he gives up a lot of baserunners and therefore has a problem preventing runs.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:15 PM
Pitcher grounds to SS

1 out.

TeamBoone
05-24-2007, 08:15 PM
The nats have started three of the most abysmal starters in the majors the last three nights and the Reds haven't been able to hit any of them.

They've scored quite a few runs in this series; the Nats have just scored more!

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 08:16 PM
he gave him a clear path to a third of the plate ... might as well not block any of it

An orange traffic cone would do a better job of blocking the plate.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:17 PM
They've scored quite a few runs in this series; the Nats have just scored more!not of Chico, Simontachhi and Bacsik they haven't

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:17 PM
FeLo with a single.

vaticanplum
05-24-2007, 08:18 PM
Side note, a person on my Yankees board just laid out his detailed plan for the Yankees to improve. It consists of three points: starting pitching, stronger bullpen, and consistent offense. Cheers, Columbo! And all this time I thought it was just the pinstripes!

Oof. I have to go do work now. Probably for the best.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:19 PM
FO to Freel.

2 down

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:21 PM
GB to 3B.

Inning over.

Aronchis
05-24-2007, 08:23 PM
Votto homered right about at the same time Conine grounded into the double play:)

Belisle probably is close to being DFA'd. Outside one month in the bullpen, he hasn't shown anything.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:23 PM
:dunn:

:jump:

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:23 PM
Dunn out to deeeeeep CF.

3-1 Nats

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:24 PM
EE FO deep to RF

1 down.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:25 PM
Ross is just pitiful

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:26 PM
Ross flies out to center.

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:27 PM
Belisle strikes out looking.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:27 PM
I'm only half paying attention, and that inning went by fast.

End of inning already, 3-1 New Senators.

Aronchis
05-24-2007, 08:27 PM
Ross is the Lohse of the starting lineup. He was decent in a career season and yet, he was extended though his past was suspect.

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:28 PM
Bacsik has thrown 61 pitches

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 08:28 PM
Belisle probably is close to being DFA'd. Outside one month in the bullpen, he hasn't shown anything.

They said Belisle has the flu. Maybe these guys shouldn't have to take the mound when they are sick.

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:30 PM
Belisle has thrown 92 pitches.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:31 PM
Bacsik has thrown 61 pitches

Bacsikally he's dominated the Reds...

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:32 PM
Church flies out to left field.

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:32 PM
Kearns singles on a ground ball to center.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:32 PM
That was a thing of beauty right there....

VR
05-24-2007, 08:33 PM
Votto homered right about at the same time Conine grounded into the double play:)

Belisle probably is close to being DFA'd. Outside one month in the bullpen, he hasn't shown anything.

Good for Votto...hopefully he gets up here soon.

Belisle....Look for teams with 3 or more pitchers that have a better ERA than Matt. Not 4 or 5, just 3. It's pretty surprising. Peripherals above average.

MrCinatit
05-24-2007, 08:33 PM
Dunn giveth us a run with his bat, Dunn taketh a run away with his glove.

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:33 PM
Young doubles 4-1 Nationals.

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:35 PM
Schnieder grounds out to second. Runner on third.

VR
05-24-2007, 08:36 PM
I'm not watching...but should that have been scored a double?

NDRed
05-24-2007, 08:36 PM
Logan is intentionally walked

Kc61
05-24-2007, 08:36 PM
Good for Votto...hopefully he gets up here soon.

Belisle....Look for teams with 3 or more pitchers that have a better ERA than Matt. Not 4 or 5, just 3. It's pretty surprising. Peripherals above average.


Wait for Belisle's year end numbers before drawing conclusions. He is a high WHIP pitcher. Gives up a lot of hits. You see it tonight, lots of hard hit ground balls. ERA normally will follow the WHIP upward. Again, hope he proves me wrong.

CrackerJack
05-24-2007, 08:36 PM
They said Belisle has the flu. Maybe these guys shouldn't have to take the mound when they are sick.

Ok, being sick aside, Lohse has had, I believe 4 awful starts in a row now, Belisle is working on his 3rd in a row tonight.

I just have a hard time believing that is why the supposed "flu symptons" are the reason for another bad start.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 08:37 PM
I'm not watching...but should that have been scored a double?

It was a bad dive. Had he not dove it would have been a single.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:37 PM
Ok, being sick aside, Lohse has had, I believe 4 awful starts in a row now, Belisle is working on his 3rd in a row tonight.



Lohse has also lost 6 in a row, I believe

Aronchis
05-24-2007, 08:39 PM
Belisle has given up a whopping 29 hits the last 3 starts. Nothing more needs to be explained. The Reds rotation is a abomination of the Gods.

red-in-la
05-24-2007, 08:40 PM
Is there a stat that shows just how many RBI opportunities Adam Dunn misses and how many SOLO homeruns he hits? Is it good, bad or normal to have 12 HR's and as I count it, only 27 RBI's?

What am I missing?

I think it is important to have guys who hit 40 HR's somewhere in your line up. I am not an Adam Dunn trasher or even, as I recall, a poster who ever called for him to be traded.....but it gets frustrating sometimes to see how much of a knack he has for missing the really important RBI's.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:42 PM
Marty: "It makes you wonder if the opposition could throw a left hander out there with a broken arm and he'd beat the Reds."


Well....he's right.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:45 PM
Another night of no heart, soul, fire, or caring baseball from the Reds.


This is getting real old

VR
05-24-2007, 08:45 PM
Wait for Belisle's year end numbers before drawing conclusions. He is a high WHIP pitcher. Gives up a lot of hits. You see it tonight, lots of hard hit ground balls. ERA normally will follow the WHIP upward. Again, hope he proves me wrong.


His ability to throw strikes this year is the big difference. K/bb rate MUCH improved. He's above average without all the walks he's suffered in the past.

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 08:45 PM
Marty: "It makes you wonder if the opposition could throw a left hander out there with a broken arm and he'd beat the Reds."


Well....he's right.


Narron's lineups vs LHP may have a lil' bit to do with that. ;)

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:46 PM
Narron's lineups vs LHP may have a lil' bit to do with that. ;)

It could be a factor :)

MrCinatit
05-24-2007, 08:47 PM
Another night of no heart, soul, o fire, or caring baseball from the Reds.


This is getting real old

It really is very tiring. This team takes losing way too casually.

WVRedsFan
05-24-2007, 08:47 PM
It's May 24th and the game threads are dead already.

No runs and no hope. Thanks for ruining my summer Jerry, Wayne and Bob.

Sorry, I'm totally disgusted.

Aronchis
05-24-2007, 08:49 PM
The Reds are a fun comedy routine to watch;)

Belisle now with 30 hits given up in the last 3 games. Wowsa.

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 08:49 PM
It's May 24th and the game threads are dead already.

No runs and no hope. Thanks for ruining my summer Jerry, Wayne and Bob.

Sorry, I'm totally disgusted.


You are Not alone WVRF.


:( :( :angry: :( :(

VR
05-24-2007, 08:53 PM
Narron's lineups vs LHP may have a lil' bit to do with that. ;)

I think it's perhaps a bit more of Narron's intelligence....as it relates to scouting reports and preparation.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 08:54 PM
Dunn just CRUSHED that ball!!!!



















But it was foul.

Aronchis
05-24-2007, 08:56 PM
Narron scouted and prepared? I didn't know that. Anybody that would repeatly bat Dunn 6th or Conine 4th like Jerry, goes by how scrappy the player looks during warmups;)

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:56 PM
Bacsikally he's dominated the Reds...and he isn't even a good AAA pitcher

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 08:57 PM
I think it's perhaps a bit more of Narron's intelligence....as it relates to scouting reports and preparation.

It all adds up to some ugly baseball doesn't it?

flyer85
05-24-2007, 08:59 PM
There shouldn't be any argument about the worst team in the NL after tnoight.

VR
05-24-2007, 08:59 PM
Narron scouted and prepared? I didn't know that. Anybody that would repeatly bat Dunn 6th or Conine 4th like Jerry, goes by how scrappy the player looks during warmups;)
Or in 1996

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:00 PM
Salmon in

redsrule2500
05-24-2007, 09:01 PM
if nothing is done after today........

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:02 PM
if nothing is done after today........


....we'll watch tomorrow, and hope for changes then...

:)

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:03 PM
Nice play by Phillips

Kc61
05-24-2007, 09:04 PM
His ability to throw strikes this year is the big difference. K/bb rate MUCH improved. He's above average without all the walks he's suffered in the past.

It's good he's throwing strikes, and I'm glad his walks are down, but he gives up lots of base hits. A pitcher may get away with that for awhile, but not for long.

Belisle just doesn't have the velocity, movement, or deception to miss bats. Thankfully he keeps the ball down. That is his big plus. But over the course of a starting stint, eventually the other team will break through because they are constantly making solid contact.

Belisle has pretty good command, stays around the plate, keeps it down. But do you see him as a winner in the major leagues? A guy who wins most of his games?

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 09:09 PM
Call me crazy... I think Matt Belisle is as good as it gets when it comes down to #3 and #4 starting pitchers nowdays.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:11 PM
shoot me and put Ross out of my misery

WVRedsFan
05-24-2007, 09:12 PM
There shouldn't be any argument about the worst team in the NL after tnoight.
And that's really disgusting to me.

If you're going to try to change a team to emphasize pitching and defense, you'd better not emasculate or defang the offense while you're at it. This team, two years ago, could score runs in bunches. The pitching was poor, but a 4-14 game was winnable because you knew they'd score 7. Not anymore. The outfield in those days were Dunn, Griffey and Kearns (except when he was exiled). A right handed bat in right. Now we have Dunn, Freel, and Griffey. Two lefties and a struggling banjo hitter. The infield was Casey, Jiminez, Lopez, and Rich Aurilia most of the time, a lefty, a rightie, a switchie, and a right hander Now it's Hatteberg/Conine, Phillips, Gonzalez, and Encarnacion, a switchie, righthander, a weak hitting righthander, and a right hander. LaRue was traded for Ross. The result is less hits. Freel may have a proper attitude, but he can't pop the ball like Kearns could in GABP. Casey, for all his DP tendencies, always got his hits. Phillips is far superior to Jiminez. Gonzales, signed for his defense, had a hot two weeks and has since cooled off, and Encarnacion is still learning. Ross is an example of a poor judge of what a career season means. Put up a horrible batting order and you get--few funs.

No need to go over the pitching. It may be a bit better, but not much, especially when you don't get hits or score many runs. I said early on if you were going to base your team on pitching and defense, you'd better have both and still hit. We're not doing any of it. A poorly constructed team and the result is the worst record in the NL.

How nice.

CTA513
05-24-2007, 09:12 PM
Gonzalez with a 2 run homerun. 4-3 Nationals
tie game if Ross didn't get thrown out at third.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:13 PM
looks doubly smart now

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:13 PM
Ross, I do not like.
Please make him go far away
We need a catcher.

I've resorted to haiku for entertainment.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:15 PM
:jump:

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:15 PM
Votto after a slow April is now over .300 with a .415OBP ... but the Reds have a pair that can max out on scrappy at 1B

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:17 PM
Griffey may be suffering through an at bat that throws him off for weeks.

This guy is is nasty with junk.

As I say that, he at least makes contact.

End of 8 4-3.

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 09:18 PM
Ross, I do not like. We need a catcher.


Kinda of funny aint it?

We've got three of'em but we still need a catcher.

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:23 PM
Kinda of funny aint it?

We've got three of'em but we still need a catcher.

Valentin is a pinch hitter who can't catch. Moeller is a catcher who can't hit. Ross is a catcher who put things together for one year and now doesn't do either thing well apparently.

I'd love to see a trade made for anyone who can hit at LA for the position and catch respectably well and two of these guys cut. Of course Narron has to go before we are down to only one catcher on the bench.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:23 PM
Majewski to make his 2007 debut

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:24 PM
It's D'Artagnan

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:24 PM
Majewski to make his 2007 debut"a day that will live in infamy"

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:25 PM
You know, he was on 700 before the game. The gift certificate he got was to a Salon and Spa.

I couldn't help but laugh.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:26 PM
:laugh:

Great start - now an interesting matchup.....Majewski vs Lopez

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:26 PM
I will also go out on a limb and jinx his appearance by saying I'm a Majewski fan.

Red in Chicago
05-24-2007, 09:27 PM
what an impressive start :rolleyes:

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:27 PM
with all due respect to CW, Majewski has always been lights out in AAA....

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:27 PM
Cowboy vs FeLo

The trade settled on the field.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:28 PM
His velocity is up from last year....just hit 94

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:28 PM
He better get the ball down

Red in Chicago
05-24-2007, 09:28 PM
for what it's worth, i don't think i would have put him in the game that's this close in the ninth inning for his first appearance...

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:29 PM
how 'bout a groundball?

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:30 PM
FeLo flies out.

That means we got the better player right?

WebScorpion
05-24-2007, 09:31 PM
The pre-injury Majewski had a lot more sink on that 94mph fastball...:confused:

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:31 PM
His velocity is up from last year....just hit 94

He's capable of hitting the mid 90's and he has a nasty slider....that doesn't translate into striking out alot of guys for him though.... He walks a fairly high amount of guys too....

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:31 PM
2/3 of an IP. 0 ERs.

Better than Stanton.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:32 PM
Majewski just got more outs in that inning than he did after the trade last season

REDREAD
05-24-2007, 09:33 PM
I can't believe we're about to lose 3 out of 4 to the Nationals.

The freaking Nationals..

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:33 PM
The pre-injury Majewski had a lot more sink on that 94mph fastball...:confused:

I don't think he's ever really had a great deal of movement on the fastball... i could be wrong but I think his slider has always been the groundout pitch...

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:34 PM
Cordero....prone to blown saves

:)

We'll see.

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:35 PM
have to PH for Conine

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:36 PM
have to PH for Conine

Negatory....but that was an awful at bat

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:36 PM
why do I feel a Casey comin on

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
wow

REDREAD
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Bunt popped up :lol:

Sorry, but this team refuses to win :lol:

Now Dunn will hit a Hr and make me eat my worlds.

guttle11
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Un...nah, it's believable.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
That was horrible.


Marty: "Bite your tongue, Marty Brennaman, bite your tongue"

WebScorpion
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Why, we got someone who can bunt better than that? :rolleyes:

That was just crazy...Conine bunting. pops it up to first. <ACK!>

flyer85
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
Narron is just dumb

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
this is about as clutch as it gets for Dunn...

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:37 PM
This could be Eddie's night....


He's due.

IslandRed
05-24-2007, 09:38 PM
Was that Conine's "I can't believe they asked me to bunt" look or the "I can't believe I thought that was a good idea" look?

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:38 PM
The evil little guy on my shoulder is wondering if the Reds will run themselves out of this inning with Dunn at bat....

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:39 PM
Dunn needs to go yard here and quiet the naysayers for 36 or so hours.

REDREAD
05-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Great.. double play to end the game..

Welcome to the worse record in the NL.

Thanks Wayne.

Oh well, at least Maj had a good outing..

Red in Chicago
05-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Dunn needs to go yard here and quiet the naysayers for 36 or so hours.

nay :p:

BoydsOfSummer
05-24-2007, 09:40 PM
We're #1!

In reverse.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 09:40 PM
:laugh:

Worst team in the NL and soon to be all of baseball.


Congrats....they are officially "Worse"

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Or ground into a casey and lose the game.

3 of 4 to the previously worst team in baseball.

How long can they sit there and say changes don't need to be made?

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:41 PM
I'm stunned that the reds were lucky to get one game in this series...absolutely stunned. Worse, the Nats looked like the obviously better team of the two...

There is something definately wrong with this team right now.

I think Narron would absolutely be the fallguy (I'm not in the fire Narron now camp) but it's an even bet as to whether HE survives the homestand.

Heath
05-24-2007, 09:41 PM
Was that Conine's "I can't believe they asked me to bunt" look or the "I can't believe I thought that was a good idea" look?

I would hope the former rather than the later.

Not a good idea.

REDREAD
05-24-2007, 09:42 PM
I think if the Reds and Nationals were in the same division, we'd finish behind them in the standings.

The fact that the Nationals are in a tougher division (and unbalanced schedule) will probably save us from finishing with the worst record in baseball.

CTA513
05-24-2007, 09:43 PM
The Reds only gave up 4 runs today.

:thumbup:

Joseph
05-24-2007, 09:46 PM
Lost 16 of 21.

5-16 that is.

Don't they have more professional pride than that?

How does a team get THAT bad?

M2
05-24-2007, 09:47 PM
When the 2001 team fell apart in May of that season they were decimated by injury. It's been a long since a healthy Reds team has put on this kind of dog.

red-in-la
05-24-2007, 09:51 PM
If there is a more FIRE NARRON game than this one, I missed it.

1. Your catcher takes it upon himself to get throw out at 3B when down THREE runs just before the guy hits what could have been a GAME TYING 3 run homerun.....one phrase without blaming any player....."out-of-control!"

2. You leave the RH part of a platoon who has looked completely awful all night to face a RH closer.....then, he either bunts on his own or at the instruction of a NUTS manager.....again, one phrase, "out-of-control!"

I know ONE thing you can certainly BLAME on the manager.....losing control of his team.....this team has been out-of-control since Jan 1 2007 :help: :help: :help: .....OK, blame WK but you also HAVE TO BLAME Narron.

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 09:55 PM
Something has to be done now.

"Right or wrong" Narron has to go.

jojo
05-24-2007, 09:55 PM
When the 2001 team fell apart in May of that season they were decimated by injury. It's been a long since a healthy Reds team has put on this kind of dog.

Also this is with 4 of the biggest questions marks coming into the season having what most would consider good numbers at this point (Arroyo, Jr., Dunn, Josh).

What's killing this team is basically the bad parts being unfathomably bad (i.e. the bullpen, the blackhole that is catcher and the bench). Mix in a bad slump by their righthanded hitter they couldn't afford to slump (EE) and a defensive season where clearly Gonzo has lacked focus at times with a backend of the rotation that is largely acting like expected and you've got a dull brand of baseball.

If Jr and Dunn trend downward and Josh's last 80 at bats are reality rather than a tough spell, this could get really scary.

OldXOhio
05-24-2007, 10:05 PM
I think if the Reds and Nationals were in the same division, we'd finish behind them in the standings.

The fact that the Nationals are in a tougher division (and unbalanced schedule) will probably save us from finishing with the worst record in baseball.

Hey, if we're gonna suck, let's REALLY suck it up. I want the worst record in baseball this year....who's with me?

guttle11
05-24-2007, 10:06 PM
On the bright side, Majewski looked very good tonight.

M2
05-24-2007, 10:11 PM
On the bright side, Majewski looked very good tonight.

I beg to differ. One HBP, six balls, seven strikes, still lacks a swing-and-miss pitch.

Falls City Beer
05-24-2007, 10:14 PM
I yearn for the return of Paul Householder.

Matt700wlw
05-24-2007, 10:15 PM
I beg to differ. One HBP, six balls, seven strikes, still lacks a swing-and-miss pitch.

He got 2 outs...which is 2 more than he got last season while here.


Baby steps :D

flyer85
05-24-2007, 10:16 PM
Reds got lucky to win one. They just made Chico, Simontacchi and Bacsik look like Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz.

KronoRed
05-24-2007, 10:16 PM
At least Dunn didn't K at the end

flyer85
05-24-2007, 10:17 PM
I beg to differ. One HBP, six balls, seven strikes, still lacks a swing-and-miss pitch.He never was anything special, now even less so.

Candy Cummings
05-24-2007, 10:24 PM
this is really depressing. I didn't know what to think, but after last year, I didn't expect to be the worst team in the NL.

M2
05-24-2007, 10:35 PM
He got 2 outs...which is 2 more than he got last season while here.


Baby steps :D

Fair point.

Heath
05-24-2007, 10:42 PM
Miley was 27-43 when he got the ax.

I hope it's not that long around here.

Ron Madden
05-24-2007, 10:47 PM
Miley was 27-43 when he got the ax.

As bad as this Pitching Staff is, Narron has had better Pitchers to work with than Miley was stuck with.

jojo
05-24-2007, 11:08 PM
I beg to differ. One HBP, six balls, seven strikes, still lacks a swing-and-miss pitch.

yep

guttle11
05-25-2007, 12:17 AM
He got 2 outs...which is 2 more than he got last season while here.


Baby steps :D

Definitely.

Not only that, but his pitches had much, much more "zip" than they had last year.

Only time will tell, but I'm looking past the ball/strikes because of sample size. At the end of the day, his stuff looked darn good, and he got the job done.Two things rare for this bullpen.

CTA513
05-25-2007, 12:22 AM
Definitely.

Not only that, but his pitches had much, much more "zip" than they had last year.

Only time will tell, but I'm looking past the ball/strikes because of sample size. At the end of the day, his stuff looked darn good, and he got the job done.Two things rare for this bullpen.

Im not sure how good he will pitch up here, but his fastball was around 94-95 mph at times and I don't remember him hitting that last year with the Reds.

Ron Madden
05-25-2007, 03:18 AM
Dropping 3 of 4 to the Washington Nationals is like......

Getting your butt kicked by Pee Wee Herman.


:(

Big Klu
05-25-2007, 07:32 AM
Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Adam Dunn - 210
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Barry Larkin - 198
9. Vada Pinson - 186
10. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 175
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

lollipopcurve
05-25-2007, 09:52 AM
I beg to differ. One HBP, six balls, seven strikes, still lacks a swing-and-miss pitch.

I wouldn't say he looked very good, but I would say he looked a lot better than last year, and there is reason to hope he can help the bullpen. 94-95 is nothing to sneeze at. We only saw 1 slider, so it remains to be seen how that pitch will work for him. At the very least, I am relieved that he's got his arm strength back -- the shoulder is not toast.

I like the guy better than Coffey.