6/6/07 - Reds vs. Cardinals Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds Starting Lineup from C. Trent:



Reds Lineup:
Hatteberg 3
Phillips 4
Griffey 9
Dunn 7
EE 5
Hamilton 8
Ross 2
Castro 6
Arroyo 1

Cardinals Lineup:

Eckstein 6
Duncan 7
Pujols 3
Edmonds 8
Rolen 5
Encarnacion 9
Miles 4
Stinnett 2
Thompson 1

[Puffy]

I feel so Gene Mauch/Brian Downingish.

[RichRed]

Castro, Castro, he's our man, if he can't...

Ahh, I give up.

[BRM]

The problem with having Juan Castro on the roster is the manager is forced to actually play him from time to time.

[BRM]

Castro should get a lot of fastballs with Arroyo hitting behind him.

[pedro]

I feel so Gene Mauch/Brian Downingish.

Brian Downing has chunks of guys like Hatteberg in his stool, but yeah....

[KronoRed]

Lets hope Arroyo can make it past the 4th

[Heath]

The problem with having Juan Castro on the roster is that Jerry Narron the only manager in Major Freakin' League Baseball that thinks he is forced to actually play him from time to time.

Fixed BRM.

[Puffy]

The problem with having Juan Castro on the roster is the manager is forced to actually play him from time to time.

Ummmmm, I should get a © for this!

[dabvu2498]

Fixed BRM.

Actually, Heath... a backup-type player who could actually play shortstop is not a bad idea for a team's roster, regardless of who the manager is.

Juan Castro just ain't that guy.

PS: Ben Zobrist (TB) has just one fewer PA than Juan and actually has a lower OPS (.378 to .385).

[Big Klu]

Hmmm....

Hatteberg 1b
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Ross c
Castro ss
Arroyo p


Again, not a bad lineup, all things considered. Gonzalez is still gimpy (he played last night because he had to, not because they wanted him to), so Castro at SS is again not unexpected. At least Castro is hitting #8. I like that Griffey and Dunn are hitting back-to-back in the #3-4 spots. Encarnacion at #5 is a big plus. I would consider Hamilton in the leadoff spot and Hatteberg hitting #6, but I also like Hatteberg's OBP near the top, at least until Hamilton gets a few more games under his belt.

[Big Klu]

50 years ago today (1957), a 6-2 loss at Philadelphia.

Johnny Temple 2b
Bob Thurman rf
Gus Bell cf
Frank Robinson lf
George Crowe 1b
Ed Bailey c
Don Hoak 3b
Roy McMillan ss
Don Gross p

[Big Klu]

45 years ago today (1962), a 4-2 loss at St. Louis.

Eddie Kasko ss
Marty Keough rf
Vada Pinson cf
Frank Robinson lf
Gordy Coleman 1b
Don Zimmer 3b
Johnny Edwards c
Don Blasingame 2b
Joey Jay p

[Big Klu]

40 years ago today (1967), a 3-2 win at home vs. San Francisco.

Floyd Robinson rf
Vada Pinson cf
Pete Rose lf
Tony Perez 3b
Deron Johnson 1b
Tommy Helms 2b
Johnny Edwards c
Leo Cardenas ss
Milt Pappas p

[Big Klu]

35 years ago today (1972), a 3-2 loss at New York.

Pete Rose lf
Joe Morgan 2b
Bobby Tolan cf
Johnny Bench c
Tony Perez 1b
Joe Hague rf
Julian Javier 3b
Dave Concepcion ss
Gary Nolan p

[Big Klu]

25 years ago today (1982), a 6-3 loss at home to the Mets.

Eddie Milner rf
Ron Oester 2b
Dave Concepcion ss
Dan Driessen 1b
Mike Vail lf
Cesar Cedeño cf
Johnny Bench 3b
Alex Treviño c
Frank Pastore p

[Big Klu]

20 years ago today (1987), a 5-2 win at home vs. Los Angeles.

Tracy Jones lf
Barry Larkin ss
Eric Davis cf
Dave Parker rf
Buddy Bell 3b
Nick Esasky 1b
Bo Diaz c
Dave Concepcion 2b
Ted Power p

[Big Klu]

15 years ago today (1992), a 5-4 win at Los Angeles.

Reggie Sanders cf
Billy Hatcher lf
Barry Larkin ss
Chris Sabo 3b
Darnell Coles 1b
Glenn Braggs rf
Troy Afenir c
Freddie Benavides 2b
Chris Hammond p

[Big Klu]

10 years ago today (1997), a 5-2 win at home vs. the Mets.

Curtis Goodwin cf
Lenny Harris lf
Terry Pendleton 3b
Willie Greene rf
Hal Morris 1b
Bret Boone 2b
Joe Oliver c
Pokey Reese ss
Brett Tomko p

[Big Klu]

Five years ago today (2002), a 3-2 win at home vs. the Cardinals.

Barry Larkin ss
Sean Casey 1b
Ken Griffey Jr. cf
Austin Kearns rf
Adam Dunn lf
Aaron Boone 3b
Todd Walker 2b
Jason LaRue c
Jimmy Haynes p

[dabvu2498]

10 years ago today (1997), a 5-2 win at home vs. the Mets.

Curtis Goodwin cf
Lenny Harris lf
Terry Pendleton 3b
Willie Greene rf
Hal Morris 1b
Bret Boone 2b
Joe Oliver c
Pokey Reese ss
Brett Tomko p

:runaway:

[WVRedsFan]

Looks like we've success on June 6th in the past--none of them with Juan Castro in the lineup, btw.

Old people love Castro. I keep hearing senior citizens (one of which I am chronologically, but not mentally) say what a gentleman he is, what a great fielder he is, and what a clutch hitter he is. I keep wondering if they have not only lost their good sight, but their sense as well. IF he plays in the 7-8-9 part of the lineup, it makes that part of the lineup a gimme to the opposition in their own minds. Not good.

[Big Klu]

Looks like we've success on June 6th in the past.

It's D-Day, man! The good guys always win! :usa:

[Big Klu]

Old people love Castro. I keep hearing senior citizens (one of which I am chronologically, but not mentally) say what a gentleman he is, what a great fielder he is, and what a clutch hitter he is. I keep wondering if they have not only lost their good sight, but their sense as well. IF he plays in the 7-8-9 part of the lineup, it makes that part of the lineup a gimme to the opposition in their own minds. Not good.

I'm not a senior citizen (I'm only 37), but here are my two cents on Juan Castro.

I think he probably is a gentleman, and I think he is a solid fielder (no longer great). I don't see him as a clutch hitter at all. Back in the 70's and 80's, teams had good-field, no-hit backup middle infielders like Castro on their bench all the time. The BRM had two of them (Darrel Chaney and Doug Flynn). But with a limited five-man bench, the Reds can no longer afford to carry a stick this weak. He was never that great in his prime, and his best days are in his rear view mirror. Jeff Keppinger (a righty-hitting Jeff Branson clone) would be a better fit on this team.

However, I think Castro would be a fine coach, particularly at the minor-league level, where he could help young Latino players adjust to life in small-town America.

[Raisor]

Ummmmm, I should get a © for this!

You SO know that I'm the one that first said that.

Stop drinking my Kool-aid.

[Chip R]

Ummmmm, I should get a © for this!


I think it's actually public domain.

[edabbs44]

Grif and Dunn back 2 back? Is this Jerry's bizarro game?

[KronoRed]

Grif and Dunn back 2 back? Is this Jerry's bizarro game?
Bet he's sweating worried about that late inning lefty who we have no chance against with our lefties in order ;)

[cumberlandreds]

15 years ago today (1992), a 5-4 win at Los Angeles.

Reggie Sanders cf
Billy Hatcher lf
Barry Larkin ss
Chris Sabo 3b
Darnell Coles 1b
Glenn Braggs rf
Troy Afenir c
Freddie Benavides 2b
Chris Hammond p

Troy Afenir? I can honestly say I do not remember that name at all.
I've noticed Rose batting 3rd in the 1967's lineups. I would have never bet anyone he batted in the middle of order at all during his playing days.

[Doc. Scott]

Afenir played all of sixteen games in a Reds uniform.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/afenitr01.shtml

Former first-rounder with Houston who bounced around the minors and majors for some time. After he appeared with the Reds, that was it for his big-league career.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the pbp. WKKI went out on me. :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to short. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to center. 0-0 mid 1st.

[Reds Fanatic]

Eckstein fouls out to 1st. 1 out.

[Cyclone792]

I've said this for a couple Arroyo starts now, and I'll keep saying it until something good happens ...

But I really hope Arroyo throws about seven easy innings tonight with a minimal pitch count while shutting the Cards down. Regardless of the outcome of the game, I hope we get some signs that Arroyo is in fact not injured and that his recent rough slide is a thing of the past.

[Reds Fanatic]

Duncan with a broken bat ground out to short. Good play by Castro. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice play by Castro...





Members now cringe. ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Pujols grounds out to short. 0-0 after 1.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin continues to hit well. A single to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton walks. 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross flies out to center. Encarnacion goes to 3rd. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

[Gallen5862]

Let's get some runs Reds. I agree we do need a great outing by Arroyo. Hopefully Mcbeth gets to pitch some tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro grounds into a 6-4 fielder's choice. 0-0 mid 2nd.

[TeamBoone]

Top of 2nd inning:

Dunn lines to 1B on first pitch. 1 out.
Encarnacion singles to center (1-1 count). Runner on first.
Hamilton walks (3-2 count). Runners on first and second.
Ross flies out to lt center (0-1 count). Runners on first and third. 2 outs.
Castro lines to SS, out at 2nd (1-0 count). 3 outs.

Middle of two: 0-0

[Matt700wlw]

That bottom 3rd of the order would make the '62 Mets cry...or the '63,. 64, 65....

[Reds Fanatic]

Edmonds strikes out looking. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen doubles to the left field corner.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen easily steals 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

J. Encarnacion hits a sac fly to right. 1-0 Cardinals.

[Reds Fanatic]

Miles grounds out to short. Good play by Castro. 1-0 Cardinals after 2.

[TeamBoone]

Bottom of 2nd inning:

(Arroyo got his hair cut)

Edmonds SO looking on three pitches (0-2 count). 1 out.
Rolen hits into LF corner, bounces over the wall for GR double (1-1 count). Runner on second.
Encarnacion sac fly to RF (1-1 count). Roland steals third on 1-1 count. 2 outs.
Miles to SS, to 1B (2-1 count). 3 outs.

After two: 1-0 Cardinals

[Gallen5862]

How has Arroyo looked on the Mound? Does he look like he has command of his pitches?

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo strikes out looking. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[KittyDuran]

Hatte HR!

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg homers off the foul pole in right. 1-1.

[TeamBoone]

Top of third inning:

Arroyo SO looking, though he did swing on the 2nd pitch (0-2 count). 1 out.
Hatteberg HR (0-1 count)!!!!
Phillips to SS, but he drops it (0-1 count). Eckstein error; runner on first.
Griffey flies out to RF on first pitch. Runner still on first. 2 outs.
Dunn flies out to short ctr (2-1 count). 3 outs.

Middle of three: 1-1

[TeamBoone]

Top of third inning:

Arroyo SO looking, though he did swing on the 2nd pitch (0-2 count). 1 out.
Hatteberg HR (0-1 count)!!!!
Phillips to SS, but he drops it (0-1 count). Eckstein error; runner on first.
Griffey flies out to RF on first pitch. Runner still on first. 2 outs.
Dunn flies out to short ctr (2-1 count). 3 outs.

Middle of three: 1-1

[Reds Fanatic]

Back to back strikeouts for Arroyo and then a flyout ends the inning. 1-1 after 3.

[BCubb2003]

The play-by-play posters are going to have to be quick, with these quick innings.

[Reds Fanatic]

Through 3 innings Arroyo has looked good tonight. 33 pitches, 24 of them strikes.

[Gallen5862]

What is Arroyo's pitch count so far?

[Gallen5862]

Thanks Reds Fanatic.

[CTA513]

Hatteberg homers off the foul pole in right. 1-1.

Thats the 9th homerun given up by Thompson in about 50 innings this year.

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion fouls out to 1st. 1 out.

[TeamBoone]

Sorry; I had computer problems.

Top of third inning:

Arroyo SO looking, though he did swing on the 2nd pitch (0-2 count). 1 out.
Hatteberg HR (0-1 count)!!!!
Phillips to SS, but he drops it (0-1 count). Eckstein error; runner on first.
Griffey flies out to RF on first pitch. Runner still on first. 2 outs.
Dunn flies out to short ctr (2-1 count). 3 outs.

Middle of three: 1-1

I won't have the top of the fourth; will pick up again at the bottom of the inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton draws his 2nd walk of the night.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the summaries TeamBoone.

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilton draws his 2nd walk of the night.

I wish all the guys had his approach.

[TeamBoone]

Thanks for the summaries TeamBoone.

You're welcome.

Are they helpful to others or am I wasting my time?

[Heath]

Josh Hamilton is showing some plate discipline.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. 1-1 mid 4th.

[Falls City Beer]

You're welcome.

Are they helpful to others or am I wasting my time?

I like them! I'm buzzing in and out of the room (and thread) a lot.

[Gallen5862]

It helps me alot since can't get the radio links to work for me tonight. Hopefully others like the summaries as well.

[Red in Chicago]

It helps me alot since can't get the radio links to work for me tonight. Hopefully others like the summaries as well.

radio is working for me...i couldn't take the cards announcers any longer

[Reds Fanatic]

Duncan doubles off the wall in right. Duncan now 6 for 11 lifetime vs. Arroyo.

[Big Klu]

Troy Afenir? I can honestly say I do not remember that name at all.
I've noticed Rose batting 3rd in the 1967's lineups. I would have never bet anyone he batted in the middle of order at all during his playing days.


Afenir played all of sixteen games in a Reds uniform.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/afenitr01.shtml

Former first-rounder with Houston who bounced around the minors and majors for some time. After he appeared with the Reds, that was it for his big-league career.

The Reds only had one legitimate catcher in 1992--Joe Oliver. Six catchers played for the Reds that season, but Oliver was the only one who played in more than 16 games. Lou rode him like a thoroughbred.

Joe Oliver: 143 games, 485 at bats
Troy Afenir: 16 games, 34 at bats
Jeff Reed: 15 games, 25 at bats
Dan Wilson: 12 games, 25 at bats
Rick Wrona: 11 games, 23 at bats
Scott Bradley: 5 games, 5 at bats

[Reds Fanatic]

Pujols pops out to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Great diving play by Phillips. Runner goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips will win a Gold Glove before too long

[Big Klu]

You're welcome.

Are they helpful to others or am I wasting my time?

I find them helpful! :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen strikes out swinging. 4 Ks for Arroyo. 1-1 after 4.

[TeamBoone]

OK; then I'll continue.

Bottom of 4th inning:

Duncan doubles to RF wall (3-2 count). Runner on second.
Pujols pops up to first but Phillips stole it from Hatte (1-2 count). Runner still on second. 1 out.
Edmonds lines down FB line to a nice snag by Phillips who tosses to Hatte (0-1 count, I think). Runner on third. 2 outs.
Rolen DO swinging (2-2 count). 3 outs.

End of four: 1-1

[Reds Fanatic]

51 pitches for Arroyo, 36 of them strikes.

[Matt700wlw]

Castro!

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro lines a double to the left field corner.

[Big Klu]

Juan Castro--you can't stop him; you can only hope to contain him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good bunt by Bronson. He almost beat it out at 1st. 1 out. Runner at 3rd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg with a sac. fly to center. 2-1 Reds! 2 RBIs for Hatteberg tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds do the little things and get a run....


See? It can be done!

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips singles to left.

[Gallen5862]

Good sac fly by the Hat.

[KronoRed]

Gonzo = Wally Pipp ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior doubles to right center. 3-1 Reds!

[RedFanAlways1966]

Junior doubles to RC on the hit-and-run. BP scores from 1st base. :)

[KronoRed]

There's the Cards we've been needing to see

[Gallen5862]

Let's go Reds. Let's get a big lead for Arroyo and the pen.

[KronoRed]

Let's go Reds. Let's get a big lead for Arroyo and the pen.

Is there a big enough lead for the pen? :devil:

[RedFanAlways1966]

Gonzo = Wally Pipp ;)

2,129 consecutive games to go for Juan Castro. RZ will self-destruct! :eek:

[Big Klu]

Good bunt by Bronson. He almost beat it out at 1st. 1 out. Runner at 3rd.

Arroyo runs well. I think the Reds should consider using him as a pinch-runner for the catcher in the late innings of games that he doesn't start.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn doubles to right. 4-1 Reds!

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner producing runs...

[RedFanAlways1966]

Oh yeah... Dunn with a double to RF. Junior scores. 4-1, REDS.

[guttle11]

Absolutely amazing AB from Dunn. He had Thompson right where he wanted him, and just waited for the slightest mistake.

[Big Klu]

See, Jerry? Hitting Griffey and Dunn back-to-back is a good thing! :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion strikes out swinging. 4-1 Reds mid 5th.

[TeamBoone]

Top of fifth inning:

Castro lines down third base line to LF corner, nice double (3-1 count). Runner on 2nd.
Arroyo bunts Castro to third; he almost made it to first (0-1 count). Runner on third. 1 out.
Hatteberg sacs Castro in on first pitch. 2 outs. 2-1 Reds.
Phillips base hit to left (0-1 count). Runner on first.
Griffey doubles into the alley (0-1 count). Phillips scores; runner on second. 3-1 Reds.
Dunn doubles down RF line (2-2 count); terrible second strike call; 8 pitch AB. Griffey scores; runner on second. 4-1 Reds.
Back to back lefties... not a problem!
Encarnacion SO swinging (2-2 count).

Middle of five: 4-1 Reds. Wooooo Hooooo!

[Reds Fanatic]

J. Encarnacion singles to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Miles grounds out to 2nd. Runner goes to 2nd. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stinnett singles to left. 4-2 Reds.

[Reds Fanatic]

Thompson sacrifices the runner to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Eckstein doubles to left over Dunn's glove. 4-3 Reds.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn...wow...what a horrible outfielder...


It's getting old.

[Big Klu]

That was not a particularly well-played ball in LF.

[Reds Fanatic]

Duncan grounds out to 1st. 4-3 Reds after 5.

Now 77 pitches with 52 strikes for Arroyo.

[Heath]

Whoopsies by Dunn.

Chris Welsh made a good point. (faint) Any ball pitched up to Eckstein is begging to be drilled.

[TeamBoone]

Bottom of 5th inning:

Encarnacion base hit to center (3-2 count). Runner on first.
Miles FC to first (3-2 count). Arroyo goes from 3-0 to full count. Runner on second. 1 out.
Stinnett drives hard to LF off Dunn's glove (1-1 count). Miles scores; runner on first. 4-2 Reds.
Thompson bunts runner to second (1-2 count). Runner on second. 2 outs.
Eckstein doubles to LF over Dunn's head (1-1 count). Stinnett scores; runner on second. 4-3 Reds (they're creeping up).
grounds to first. 3 outs.

After five: 4-3 Reds

[Big Klu]

Dunn...wow...what a horrible outfielder...


It's getting old.

Some people complain when Dunn is lifted in the late innings for a defensive replacement (i.e., Hopper or Wise), but it's plays like that which show why it is necessary.

Now I do think that whether Dunn is due to bat in the next inning should weigh into the decision.

[Matt700wlw]

Some people complain when Dunn is lifted in the late innings for a defensive replacement (i.e., Hopper or Wise), but it's plays like that which show why it is necessary.

Now I do think that whether Dunn is due to bat in the next inning show weigh into the decision.

I agree

I agree

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton flies out to left on the 1st pitch. 1 out.

[Heath]

Rats. I was hoping for more than a one-pitch AB for Hamilton.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross grounds out to short on the 1st pitch. Way to make Thompson work after a long inning.

[Matt700wlw]

2 pitches...2 outs.

Way to be guys, way to be.

[Big Klu]

Juan Castro--you can't stop him; you can only hope to contain him.

[KronoRed]

Patience

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro lines a double to the wall in right. What has gotten into Castro tonight.

[KronoRed]

Castro loves Busch stadium, trade him to the Cards

[Big Klu]

Castro's at-bat was the only good one in the entire inning.

[TeamBoone]

Top of 6th inning:

Hamilton flies out down LF line on first pitch. 1 out.
Ross grounds to SS on first pitch. 2 outs.
Castro doubles to RF warning track (2-0 count); he's 2 for 3! Runner on second.
Arroyo flies out to CF on first pitch. 3 outs.
(Johnson warming in the pen)

Middle of six: 4-3 Reds

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo flies out to center on the 1st pitch. 4-3 Reds mid 6th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pujols lines out to right. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edmonds walks.

[flyer85]

time to get Arroyo

[Matt700wlw]

Now Arroyo can't throw strikes...

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen singles to right on the hit and run. 1st and 3rd. Would have been an easy DP if Edmonds was not running.

[Matt700wlw]

That's how you do it, right there

[Big Klu]

Bronson's laboring.

[Reds Fanatic]

J. Encarnacion fouls out to 1st. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bronson's laboring.
Arroyo is consistently getting behind in the count now.

[KronoRed]

This should be his last inning provided he escapes

[Matt700wlw]

Bronson Arroyo is still messed up....ever since Narron let him go 129 pitches in San Diego....he has not been the same pitcher....

Some may argue the league has caught up to him....I'm not buying that, at least not to the degree of what we've seen recently, because his breaking pitches aren't breaking and his command is out of whack, which is NOT Bronson Arroyo....if all that was still in place, and he was still getting hit like this, then maybe you could say that.

He's been a bit better tonight, he's battled, and has kept the Reds in the game (and would get the win if it ended here) but he's still not right...

[TeamBoone]

Bottom of 6th inning:

Pujols flies out to RF (3-2 count). He's 0 for 3. 1 out.
Edmonds BB (3-2 count). Runner on first.
Rolen singles past Phillips (3-2 count). Hmmmmm, Arroyo! Lots of balls this inning. Runners on first and third.
Encarnacion pops up to Hatte in foul territory (2-2 count). 2 outs.
Miles flies out to LF (1-1 count). 3 outs.

Bottom of six: 4-3 Reds

[Reds Fanatic]

Miles lines out to left. 4-3 Reds after 6.

[CTA513]

Arroyo has now walked 29 batters in just under 80 innings.

[BCubb2003]

It's Stanton time...

[Reds Fanatic]

That is 103 pitches for Arroyo that should be it for tonight but with Narron you never know.

[flyer85]

Bronson really got away with a bad pitch to Encarnacion

[Reds Fanatic]

Tyler Johnson in to pitch.

[KronoRed]

He's been a bit better tonight, but he's still not right.

How much is tonights improvement the fact that he's facing the "mighty" Cards lineup?

Maybe we'll see McBeth tonight....

Nah :D

[Big Klu]

Whew! I have to admit that I held my breath when Miles hit the ball to LF. Nice recovery by Bronson.

Reds Fanatic, I just want to thank you for doing PBP. I filled in and did PBP for agame last weekend--it's not easy! (I'm better suited for color commentary! ;) )

Also, a big thank-you to Team Boone for the excellent summaries!

[Matt700wlw]

How much is tonights improvement the fact that he's facing the "mighty" Cards lineup?



That may have something to do with it, but you pitch to whom is on the schedule...

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd. 1 out.

[flyer85]

Bronson Arroyo is still messed up....ever since Narron let him go 129 pitches in San Diego....he has not been the same pitcher....
. his velocity is down ~5 mph, as it has been since that start

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips swings at the 1st pitch and grounds out to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

his velocity is down ~5 mph, as it has been since that start

Another indicator...I didn't even think to check that one out.

[TeamBoone]

Top of 7th inning:

Johnson in for Thompson.

Hatteberg grounds to second baseman, toss to first (2-1 count). 1 out.
Phillips grounds to third on first pitch. 2 outs.
Griffey hits it hard to third (1-2 count). 3 outs.

Middle of seven: 4-3 Reds


You're welcome, Klu.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior grounds out to 3rd. 4-3 Reds mid 7th.

[KoryMac5]

If you played a drinking game based on the Reds hitters swinging at the first pitch I would be loaded by the 2nd inning.

[Big Klu]

He's been a bit better tonight, he's battled, and has kept the Reds in the game (and would get the win if it ended here) but he's still not right...


How much is tonights improvement the fact that he's facing the "mighty" Cards lineup?


Arroyo is also pitching on five days of rest, instead of the usual four (due to the off day on Monday).

[Reds Fanatic]

Arroyo still in the game. Narron is a moron.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo to, at least, start the 7th

[Cyclone792]

Arroyo's out there again and starting the inning with 103 pitches. Given the workload Arroyo went through in early May, then his subsequent shellings, this looms as a serious mistake.

Jerry Narron just won't ever learn, will he?

[Reds Fanatic]

Stinnett flies out to center.

[Big Klu]

Dang! Hamilton has closing speed!

[KronoRed]

Arroyo is also pitching on five days of rest, instead of the usual four (due to the off day on Monday).

IMO he needs to skip a start and get 7+ days off.

[Matt700wlw]

:rant: :rant2: :rant: :rant2:

[KronoRed]

Just keep running that arm into the ground Jerry.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ludwick with a pinch hit homer to left. Tie game 4-4.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is what you get when you are on your 108th pitch of the night.

[jesusfan]

great, that 4-1 lead is long gone...

[CTA513]

:laugh:

[Falls City Beer]

IMO he needs to skip a start and get 7+ days off.

I absolutely agree. He needs to skip his next start. This season's gone, straight down the crapper. Might as well salvage Arroyo as best you can.

[flyer85]

Narron is just clueless.

[Reds Fanatic]

Eckstein singles to right.

[Matt700wlw]

Thom: "Jerry just standing in the dugout with a look....well, he's perplexed."

[CTA513]

Don't worry Stanton is getting ready to save the day.

[Cyclone792]

How high will Arroyo's pitch count go?

Is another 120+ pitch outing going in the books for Bronson? He's knocking on the door right now.

[Heath]

Thom: "Jerry just standing in the dugout with a look....well, he's perplexed."

Like, damn I'm stupid.

[KronoRed]

This smells like last night.

[Big Klu]

IMO he needs to skip a start and get 7+ days off.

Not a bad idea.

[Reds Fanatic]

This is what scares me about Narron managing Homer. 111 pitches now for Arroyo.

[Matt700wlw]

I've said it time and time again how I'm not a big "pitch count guy"...but you have to use common sense.

If he's cruising without a problem, I don't have a problem keeping a guy in with a higher pitch count....when you're struggling, laboring, battling hard....take him out, save his arm.

[Reds Fanatic]

Duncan strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[Big Klu]

Tim McClelland fakes out George Grande on the called third strike.

[Falls City Beer]

You know, at some point, the team's going to want to win a ballgame--just for the sake of maintaining some semblance of dignity. Not because they think it matters in the standings, but because you'd like to hold your head up for one day out of seven.

[Matt700wlw]

This is what scares me about Narron managing Homer. 111 pitches now for Arroyo.

I think he'll be smarter with Homer...I remember him keeping Belisle at a rather strict count earlier in the year since he wasn't used to being in the rotation, and I think he did that for Livingston as well...moreso in his first start....but I don't think Livingston's count was crazy in his second either.

[Big Klu]

I've said it time and time again how I'm not a big "pitch count guy"...but you have to use common sense.

If he's cruising without a problem, I don't have a problem keeping a guy in with a higher pitch count....when you're struggling, laboring, battling hard....take him out, save his arm.

I agree.

[jesusfan]

####!

[Reds Fanatic]

2 run homer for Pujols. 6-4 Cards. Thanks Jerry. That was pitch 119.

[Red in Chicago]

who didn't see that coming:eek:

[flyer85]

Bronson closing in on 120

[Big Klu]

A day late and a dollar short, Jerry.

[jesusfan]

I do not even want to watch the freaking reds, so im done!

[Matt700wlw]

Ok, NOW Take him out...

[pedro]

Narron really is an idjit.

[flyer85]

Narron, the shoe to the groin the keeps on kicking

[KronoRed]

For the love of diet coke get him out of there!!!

[Red in Chicago]

i can't wait for cyclone's updated stats on arroyo now:bang:

[Cyclone792]

Has anybody ever heard the sound of a prized right arm and $30 million going down the toilet?

With Jerry Narron being Jerry Narron, we could very well be hearing that sound already.

[CTA513]

Will McBeth get a chance to pitch in this game or do they need to be up or down by at least 20 runs?

[BCubb2003]

I think Narron must feel that if the starter can't get through 7, they aren't going win anyway.

[Big Klu]

Earlier in the year, I felt that this season had a 1993 feel to it. It's starting to feel more like 1982-83.

[Matt700wlw]

Stanton... as McBeth....WHO IS FRESH AND HASN'T BEEN USED sits.

[Reds Fanatic]

Stanton in to pitch.

Edmonds singles to left.

[SteelSD]

Bronson Arroyo ERA now at 5.01.

Apparently, the new organizational philosophy on starting pitching is "Sign 'em and Burn 'em".

[flyer85]

Will McBeth get a chance to pitch in this game or do they need to be up or down by at least 20 runs?I really have no idea ... and Jerry doesn't either

[Reds Fanatic]

Will McBeth get a chance to pitch in this game or do they need to be up or down by at least 20 runs?

We need to send a search party out to find McBeth.

[Red in Chicago]

narron out with the pitching change:laugh::laugh:

todd coming in:laugh::laugh:

[KronoRed]

Dear Wayne,
Please stop Jerry from ruining one of those pitchers you gave a boatload of money to.

Love,Krono

[Matt700wlw]

I'm really running out of things to say -- and there's still a lot of baseball left this year.


I'll be all alone by the end of the season ;)

[Heath]

Marcus McBeth needs to be 39 years old and a left-hander.

Or Gary Majewski.

[Reds Fanatic]

That was a 1 pitch outing for Stanton. Coffey in to pitch.

[Falls City Beer]

Earlier in the year, I felt that this season had a 1993 feel to it. It's starting to feel more like 1982-83.

This team is so bad they're no longer the punchline to jokes.

And I absolutely do not believe that it is darkest before the dawn. Just ask the Pirates, the Nats, the D-Rays, the Royals, the Rockies.... For so many teams, tomorrow never arrives.

[flyer85]

Bronson Arroyo ERA now at 5.01.

Apparently, the new organizational philosophy on starting pitching is "Sign 'em and Burn 'em".It's what happen when you have a GM that can't build a pen and combine that with a clueless manager

[Big Klu]

I've said it time and time again how I'm not a big "pitch count guy"...but you have to use common sense.

If he's cruising without a problem, I don't have a problem keeping a guy in with a higher pitch count....when you're struggling, laboring, battling hard....take him out, save his arm.

Another reason to take Arroyo out before the inning started is to allow him to build on a positive performance.

[jesusfan]

I did a search for Mike Stanton on Google and found this:

http://www.wcel.org/4976/20/gascan.gif

[Matt700wlw]

Another reason to take Arroyo out before the inning started is to allow him to build on a positive performance.

I should add to my post....


....and save his confidence

[jesusfan]

Rolen flies to the track in center...

[TeamBoone]

Bottom of 7th inning:

Stanton warming.

Stinnett flies out to CF (1-2 count). 1 out.
Ludwig (PH for Johnson) HR into LF stands on first pitch. 4-4 TIE BALL GAME
Eckstein singles into RF (0-1 count). Runner on first.
Duncan SO looking (2-2 count). 2 outs.
Pujols 2-run homer, immediately after Welsh jinxed it by saying "Puhols says he's coming along but he's not quite there yet" (1-2 count). 6-4 Cardinals

Arroyo out of the game; Stanton in. Crap. The guy's never going to get a win.

Edmonds singles into short left on first pitch. Runner on first.

Narron takes a trip to the mound. Stanton out; Coffey in.

Rolen flies out to center (1-1 count). He's 2 for 3 so far. 3 outs.

End of seven: 6-4 Cards

[Heath]

Looks like Todd Coffey's lost some weight.

Ok offense.

[Reds Fanatic]

Rolen flies out to center. 6-4 Cards after 7.

[edabbs44]

Has anybody ever heard the sound of a prized right arm and $30 million going down the toilet?

With Jerry Narron being Jerry Narron, we could very well be hearing that sound already.

Wayne had no reason to give him that extension.

[flyer85]

Part of the issue is that WK paid some guys(Arroyo and Ross) for career seasons. Probably the most important job of a GM is accurately assessing your own talent (the secret to Schuerholz).

[TeamBoone]

Arroyo's out there again and starting the inning with 103 pitches. Given the workload Arroyo went through in early May, then his subsequent shellings, this looms as a serious mistake.

Jerry Narron just won't ever learn, will he?

Welsh defended it saying Arroyo's short outings the last three games should allow him to pitch longer in this one.

[CTA513]

I hope Bailey doesn't get left in the game to throw 115+ pitches in the 7th.

[HotCorner]

"An APB has been issued for Marcus McBeth. He is reportedly in St. Louis as a member of the Cincinnati Reds bullpen but his presence can not be verified. If you see him, please send him to the mound."

[Reds Fanatic]

Randy Flores in to pitch.

[KronoRed]

Welsh defended it saying Arroyo's short outings the last three games should allow him to pitch longer in this one.
Welsh is wrong here IMO.

[flyer85]

Wayne had no reason to give him that extension.none whatsoever. He turned a bargain for two more years into a risk.

[Big Klu]

Bottom of 7th inning:

Stanton warming.

Stinnett flies out to CF (1-2 count). 1 out.
Ludwig (PH for Johnson) HR into LF stands on first pitch. 4-4 TIE BALL GAME
Eckstein singles into RF (0-1 count). Runner on first.
Duncan SO looking (2-2 count). 2 outs.
Pujols 2-run homer, immediately after Welsh jinxed it by saying "Puhols says he's coming along but he's not quite there yet" (1-2 count). 6-4 Cardinals

Arroyo out of the game; Stanton in. Crap. The guy's never going to get a win.

Edmonds singles into short left on first pitch. Runner on first.

Narron takes a trip to the mound. Stanton out; Coffey in.

Rolen flies out to center (1-1 count). He's 2 for 3 so far. 3 outs.

End of seven: 6-4 Cards

The 8th arrived one inning early.

[KronoRed]

none whatsoever. He turned a bargain for two more years into a risk.

A risk his manager seems determined to make worse.

[Red in Chicago]

what a horrible three week stint by ba...unbelieveable

[Heath]

Part of the issue is that WK paid some guys(Arroyo and Ross) for career seasons. Probably the most important job of a GM is accurately assessing your own talent (the secret to Schuerholz).

Yeah, and how many Scherholz's are there out there?

Last time I checked there's one.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to center. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

McBeth is warming up....


I may faint

[KronoRed]

Lets get some runs, the Cards pen is just as bad.

[Heath]

Lets get some runs, the Cards pen is just as bad.

No doubt about that.

[Falls City Beer]

Lets get some runs, the Cards pen is just as bad.

No it's not.

[Big Klu]

The wind appears to be out of the Reds' sails.

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[flyer85]

Yeah, and how many Scherholz's are there out there?

Last time I checked there's one.not the point. And Beane does a really good job as well

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton singles to left.

[jesusfan]

Welsh- "If the reds were able to close out half the games they have blown they would be a whole lot better." wow, master-o-obvious...

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilton....1-2 and 2 walks today.


That's pretty good!

[Reds Fanatic]

Pitching change.

[Falls City Beer]

There are a number of ways to win in baseball (be it Schuerholz, Beane, whoever).

[Heath]

Nice job by Hamilton taking what Flores gives him.

Ryan Franklin vs. David Ross. Be still my heart.

[Big Klu]

Hamilton....1-2 and 2 walks today.


That's pretty good!

I wouldn't mind seeing him in the leadoff spot, though Hatteberg has done a nice job, too.