View Full Version : A-ROD the final number
Chi-Town Red
06-16-2007, 05:26 PM
490 HR'S as of 6/16/07 wont be 32 until next month
can he get to 800? of course we all know how injuries
can play in overall lifetime numbers. I say with out injury
he can get to 825
REDblooded
06-16-2007, 06:02 PM
without injury, and depending on how friendly of a park he ends up in after this year.......
Yankees fans definitely don't deserve him. Suffering Reds fans do.
Degenerate39
06-16-2007, 07:21 PM
I'd like to see what he can do in this ball park
Chi-Town Red
06-16-2007, 07:46 PM
yep it would be amazing!!
Astrobuddy
06-16-2007, 09:03 PM
What would Arod do in Minute Maid?
Chi-Town Red
06-16-2007, 09:17 PM
or Coors field ?..although the Kingdome was homerdome #1
UC_Ken
06-17-2007, 01:14 PM
I think 800 is the over/under. If he ends up in the right park that number could grow.
In no way would ARod ever want to come here but I think we'd be a playoff team if we took the money Dunn and Milton were getting and give $20 mil. to ARod. And at GABP I think his over/under number would be 850.
Astrobuddy
06-17-2007, 01:20 PM
UC, bringing in AROD wont make the Reds a playoff team. Offense isnt the Reds problem. Its pitching. Spend the $20 million on Zambrano and more pitching.
JUst some thoughts....
UC_Ken
06-17-2007, 01:45 PM
My perception is that a rotation of Harang, Arroyo, Bailey, Belisle, and another starter gives us an above average rotation. Offensively it would give us the RH power that we don't have to compliment the other players. I'm also assuming the young guys in the bullpen improve. But I admit to always being overly optimistic when it comes to my teams.
Astrobuddy
06-17-2007, 01:53 PM
Well.. in my humble opinion... Harang is a good #23 guy. Arroyo is not very good. He has been above his head for a couple of years and I wouldnt put too much stock in the guy. Bailey is 21 years old and has a load of potential, but it is way early to know whether he will pan out. Belisle? End of the rotation guy at best.
My point is, the Reds dont have a true ACE. If you guys got that and a little bullpen help, you could be a very good team.
CRedsLarkin11
06-17-2007, 05:57 PM
Harang is a true ace, tell me why he is not. The problem is that Arroyo could be hurt or a one year wonder and other than him there is no one that is a true #2 or even #3 starter right now. (We all hope Bailey is on his way, he certainly has the stuff) The bullpen is also in a really really bad way and there is a problem with the offense producing runs outside of homers. The defense also leaves alot to be desired. This team is just simply not very good and will need to make some changes sometime soon or this will continue for years to come. One offseason will not be enough to fix this(though it would be nice just to get going into the right direction) and we'll never be able to afford A-Rod.
Chi-Town Red
06-17-2007, 09:21 PM
I have a very bad feeling about Arroyo...yea is he hurt or what?
we need him looking ahead to 08 and beyond...hope whatever it
is, it gets fixed...and soon
justincredible
06-17-2007, 09:30 PM
My point is, the Reds dont have a true ACE. If you guys got that and a little bullpen help, you could be a very good team.
And you would be absolutely wrong.
Astrobuddy
06-18-2007, 09:43 AM
Really? How so? Harang? Career 4.23 ERA and 1.33 WHIP? ERA + of 106
Career ERA+ of a true MLB Ace
Oswalt 141
Clemens 144
Santana 143
Webb 139
Johnson 137
Zambrano 128
Maddux 135
Just a few examples of what numbers an ACE has. Harang is a very nice pitcher, but he just isnt an "ACE".
Keep in mind.. this is just my opinion. Dont get mad...
danken12
06-18-2007, 09:56 AM
Really? How so? Harang? Career 4.23 ERA and 1.33 WHIP? ERA + of 106
Career ERA+ of a true MLB Ace
Oswalt 141
Clemens 144
Santana 143
Webb 139
Johnson 137
Zambrano 128
Maddux 135
Just a few examples of what numbers an ACE has. Harang is a very nice pitcher, but he just isnt an "ACE".
Keep in mind.. this is just my opinion. Dont get mad...
So, you wouldn't consider a guy who led the NL in K's, W's and CG's a number one? Take a look at who did that last year.
CRedsLarkin11
06-18-2007, 11:54 AM
Career numbers are great but what have you done for me lately? Harang led the National League in wins and k's last year and is having a stellar season this year. The numbers early in his career were not exceptional, you are correct, but this late bloomer is a true ace for the Reds and he really is probably the most underrated pitcher in baseball. He has 90 strikeouts(3rd in the NL), 99.2 innings pitched(4th), a 3.95 ERA and a 7-2(7 wins is tied for 6th) record on a team that is 16 games under .500. He's one of the top 5 pitchers in the NL right now and that is good enough to be considered an ace in my book. I'm not mad, just don't really understand your reasoning.
justincredible
06-18-2007, 01:24 PM
Career numbers are great but what have you done for me lately? Harang led the National League in wins and k's last year and is having a stellar season this year. The numbers early in his career were not exceptional, you are correct, but this late bloomer is a true ace for the Reds and he really is probably the most underrated pitcher in baseball. He has 90 strikeouts(3rd in the NL), 99.2 innings pitched(4th), a 3.95 ERA and a 7-2(7 wins is tied for 6th) record on a team that is 16 games under .500. He's one of the top 5 pitchers in the NL right now and that is good enough to be considered an ace in my book. I'm not mad, just don't really understand your reasoning.
Couldn't have said it better, so I won't even try. I will also add that his numbers have improved every year he has been in Cincinnati.
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