06/18/07 Reds @ Oaktown

[RedsMan3203]

Hopper rf
Hatteberg 1b
Griffey dh
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Ross c


Lohse P


Travis Buck lf
Mark Kotsay cf
Nick Swisher rf
Eric Chaves 3b
Jack Cust dh
Mark ellis 2b
Dan Johnson 1b
Bobby Crosby ss
Jason Kendall c

Blanton P

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey as DH is a good move....give his legs some rest

[KronoRed]

Reds last trip to Oakland..Reds arrived in 1st place.

6/7/2004 13-2 loss
6/8/2004 10-6 loss
6/9/2004 17-9 loss

[cincy09]

Reds last trip to Oakland..Reds arrived in 1st place.

6/7/2004 13-2 loss
6/8/2004 10-6 loss
6/9/2004 17-9 loss

Boy I sure remember that trip.

It was worse than last years debacle out west.

[Cyclone792]

It's nice to see Griffey DH'ing, but I still don't get the lineup order. Hopper leading off? Griffey and Dunn not batting back-to-back? There wasn't much wrong with the lineup Narron trotted out against the Angels and Rangers in slots 1-6, why not keep it the same except to throw Hopper in at the bottom somewhere in the 7-9 slots?

1B Hatteberg
2B Phillips
DH Griffey
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
CF Hamilton
Some combo of Gonzalez/Ross/Hopper

[pedro]

Dunn won player of the week so it must be time to drop him to 5th and split up he and Griffey. Jerry Narron is a menace.

[OnBaseMachine]

Considering how well Adam Dunn has hit in the cleanup spot this year (.421/.488/.895 - 1.383) compared to the fifth spot (.191/.282/.368 - .650), it makes perfect sense to drop Dunn in the order to fifth. Not. Jerry Narron is a clueless dolt. Please fire him. Now.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess Phillips' hand is ok...good to see him back in the lineup after getting nailed yesterday

[Chip R]

I guess Phillips' hand is ok...good to see him back in the lineup after getting nailed yesterday


No kidding. I thought we were going to see Castro for the whole series.

[KronoRed]

It's like Narron waits for Dunn to do well and then drop him

[flyer85]

plane ride brought Jerry back to his senses.

[flyer85]

It's like Narron waits for Dunn to do well and then drop himif he were to get a player of the month he might end up batting 7th or 8th. :D

[flyer85]

Batting Hopper leadoff probably lessened that burning in his nethers.

[edabbs44]

Considering how well Adam Dunn has hit in the cleanup spot this year (.421/.488/.895 - 1.383) compared to the fifth spot (.191/.282/.368 - .650), it makes perfect sense to drop Dunn in the order to fifth. Not. Jerry Narron is a clueless dolt. Please fire him. Now.

Seriously...because before his latest hot streak, the "in" place to hit Dunn was 2nd, because he had a 1.010 OPS there last season and a .748 OPS hitting 4th in '06.

If Dunn was the offensive force some believe he is, batting order shouldn't matter that much. It will make a difference, but not .700 worth in OPS.

This isn't saying that Narron shouldn't find an order and stick with it. He should. But we can't blame Dunn's struggles while hitting 5th on batting order alone. He's a big boy and one of the better offensive players around. Deal with it and produce.

[OnBaseMachine]

Seriously...because before his latest hot streak, the "in" place to hit Dunn was 2nd, because he had a 1.010 OPS there last season and a .748 OPS hitting 4th in '06.

If Dunn was the offensive force some believe he is, batting order shouldn't matter that much. It will make a difference, but not .700 worth in OPS.

This isn't saying that Narron shouldn't find an order and stick with it. He should. But we can't blame Dunn's struggles while hitting 5th on batting order alone. He's a big boy and one of the better offensive players around. Deal with it and produce.

Sorry, I forgot that bashing Dunn was the popular thing to do.

[flyer85]

Sorry, I forgot that bashing Dunn was the popular thing to do.you need to :bang: until forgiven

[RedsManRick]

Hopper is fast and therefore should lead off. Duh, Jason!

[pedro]

I agree that Dunn probably shouldn't have such volatility in performance in different slots in the order but with so much of the game being mental you'd think Narron would have the good sense to just leave well enough alone. It seems to me that whenever Dunn gets comfortable is a certain slot Narron moves him someplace else.

[edabbs44]

Sorry, I forgot that bashing Dunn was the popular thing to do.

It actually is, especially since he went on the market. How could you forget? ;)

But seriously, last year it was the 2nd spot that he mashed in, this year it's 4th. Next year it will be 5th. History has shown that he is a very streaky hitter and will hit dependent on how he is going, not where he is hitting.

[IslandRed]

But seriously, last year it was the 2nd spot that he mashed in, this year it's 4th. Next year it will be 5th. History has shown that he is a very streaky hitter and will hit dependent on how he is going, not where he is hitting.

Truth spoken.

But I still don't get tonight's batting order. Oh well, I'll go re-read a few of those articles showing how little batting order matters and get over it.

[flyer85]

you put your best players in the right spot and just leave it alone. Narron can't help himself. Maybe the tinkering makes him feel important.

[edabbs44]

you put your best players in the right spot and just leave it alone. Narron can't help himself. Maybe the tinkering makes him feel important.

That I wholeheartedly agree with.

[Matt700wlw]

If this west coast trip is as ugly as it probably will be...I think it'd be time for upper management to pull the trigger on the field manager....it's been time, but that should be the final straw.

Let's say they go 2-9 on this trip as a whole, they'd come back with 50 losses...


I hope they go 9-0, but I'm realistic.....this team won't win 9 in a row this season....hell, they may not win 4 in a row...

[redsmetz]

Reds last trip to Oakland..Reds arrived in 1st place.

6/7/2004 13-2 loss
6/8/2004 10-6 loss
6/9/2004 17-9 loss

Well, let's make this the mirror opposite of that. We've got the "in last place" taken care - now let's thump on the A's!

[Matt700wlw]

Well, let's make this the mirror opposite of that. We've got the "in last place" taken care - now let's thump on the A's!

Put down the pipe...



:D

[Far East]

Whether Dunn is hitting 4th or 5th lately -- including tonight -- he has the same "protection" following him, Encarnacion.

The recent batting order makes Hamilton the one who can be pitched around or piched tough to, specially when the opposing pitching is RH -- with Gonzalez following Josh.

[Hoosier Red]

Not on this forum its not.
While I definately agree that Jerry should find an order that works and that takes advantage of where guys bat best.
If Dunn OPS's 700 points less in one spot than the other, than the problem may be Dunn.

Or it may be the small sample size. That's a sneaky one too.

[Far East]

... throw Hopper in at the bottom somewhere in the 7-9 slots?

1B Hatteberg
2B Phillips
DH Griffey
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
CF Hamilton
Some combo of Gonzalez/Ross/Hopper
I agree. Tonight Dunn is 4 spots in the order removed from Hopper; if Hopper hit 9th and Dunn cleanup, then Dunn would still be those 4 spots removed from Hopper, except that Adam could potentially get more AB and Norris would be getting fewer, while still being counted upon to "set the table" -- just not in inning #1.

[VR]

All moves and decisions aside, this team is lost in the abyss until JN is fired. It's the sad truth about organizational leadership.

[RedsMan3203]

We have the power guys.. JR & Dunn

We have our doubles, gap hitters in Phillips, EdE and Hambone....

We just need 3 reallllly good contact hitters....

Thatta fix everything.

[Matt700wlw]

We have the power guys.. JR & Dunn

We have our doubles, gap hitters in Phillips, EdE and Hambone....

We just need 3 reallllly good contact hitters....

Thatta fix everything.

Can they pitch?

[RedFanAlways1966]

Reds last trip to Oakland..Reds arrived in 1st place.

6/7/2004 13-2 loss
6/8/2004 10-6 loss
6/9/2004 17-9 loss

I like to think on the "bright side" (what else is there at this point?!?) and remember two other games in Oakland...

(1) 8-3 win.
(2) 2-1 win and a ring!

:beerme:

[RedsMan3203]

Can they pitch?

Shoot - I knew I was forget'n something...

[Big Klu]

Every day I go for a one-hour walk (doctor's orders), and to pass the time, I think about lineups and batting orders. I figured that Griffey would be the DH tonight, since the Reds just traveled across the country, and being the DH is about the same as getting a night off. (I would have Griffey as the DH in Wednesday's game too, so that it would butt up against the off day to give him two days off.) So I expected Hopper to be in tonight's lineup in RF. However, I don't like the order. I would prefer:

Hatteberg 1b
Phillips 2b
Griffey dh
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Hopper rf

Of course, I expected Moeller to get the start tonight behind the plate, since Ross had caught Saturday night/Sunday afternoon, followed by a cross-country road trip.

[Eric_Davis]

It's nice to see Griffey DH'ing, but I still don't get the lineup order. Hopper leading off? Griffey and Dunn not batting back-to-back? There wasn't much wrong with the lineup Narron trotted out against the Angels and Rangers in slots 1-6, why not keep it the same except to throw Hopper in at the bottom somewhere in the 7-9 slots?

1B Hatteberg
2B Phillips
DH Griffey
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
CF Hamilton
Some combo of Gonzalez/Ross/Hopper

I agree completely. Hopper hasn't hit right-handers all year, yet Narron wants to give him 3-4 AB's against Blanton, in other words, give 3-4 outs to Blanton.

The only difference is that I hate having a guy who hits .219 WISP wasting the #5 spot. Dunn should be batting 2nd and no where else. Give Dunn 4AB's against Dunn and throw Phillips down in the order.

Hatteberg
Dunn
Junior
EdE
Hamilton
Phillips
Conine-DH
Gonzalez
Ross

[Eric_Davis]

I wish Narron would go away.

[RedsMan3203]

Who Cares about the Order... GO REDS!!

[guttle11]

Who Cares about the Order... GO REDS!!

Jerry?

Johnny?

[RedsMan3203]

Jerry?

Johnny?

Fred?

Adam?

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper flies out to right.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 1st. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior pops out to short. That was a 6 pitch inning for Blanton. 0-0 mid 1st.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Interleague... liked it at first, but hate it now.

Perhaps a few runs in the REDS first inning might have changed my mind?!?

[VR]

Junior pops out to short. That was a 6 pitch inning for Blanton. 0-0 mid 1st.


Blanton will be gone by the 16th inning, easy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Buck singles to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kotsay lines out to left. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Swisher lines a single to center. 1st and 2nd.

[flyer85]

I still remember the 40 runs from the last trip to Oakland

[flyer85]

someone forgot to tell Geren you can't have all these lefty hitters in a row(swisher is an SH)

[Reds Fanatic]

A 4 pitch walk to Chavez. Bases loaded.

[Matt700wlw]

So, it appears, at least early, that Evil Lohse has shown up tonight.......then again, maybe not.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cust strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[RedsMan3203]

A good change up... on a 3-2 count and basesloaded.... Jeshh

[Eric_Davis]

someone forgot to tell Geren you can't have all these lefty hitters in a row(swisher is an SH)

Exactly.

No reason the batting order for the REDS can't start out:

Hatteberg
Dunn
Junior
Encarnacion
Hamilton
Phillips

[Matt700wlw]

You have got to be kidding me....

[flyer85]

Cust may be the real TTO king

[Reds Fanatic]

Inning should be over but Gonzalez just committed his 11th error. 1-0 A's bases still loaded.

[StillFunkyB]

Hmmm, some GG SS we have here.

[flyer85]

GGer my rosy red cheeks

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson grounds out to 2nd. 1-0 A's after 1.

[Eric_Davis]

That check swing crossed some of the plate.

[Eric_Davis]

Cust may be the real TTO king

TTO?

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to 2nd on the 1st pitch. 1 out.

[flyer85]

Phillips is really a hacker

[flyer85]

TTO?three true outcomes

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to center. 2 outs.

[TOBTTReds]

Have people noticed that Dunn is swinging with two hands more often? I like it. He hasn't lost any power with it and is crushing the ball.

[Eric_Davis]

Phillips grounds out to 2nd on the 1st pitch. 1 out.

Another great reason why Dunn should bat 2nd and Phillips 6th after Hamilton.

Phillips doesn't see too many pitches and no one sees as many as Dunn. Make a starter have to face him 4-5 times a game. When Dunn bats 2nd, everyone gets to watch a lot of pitches go by.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the PBP Redsfanatic.

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion singles to left.

[Eric_Davis]

three true outcomes

yes. the K, the BB, the HR

[edabbs44]

Brendan Harris has hit his 8th HR. Ugh.

[Matt700wlw]

Have people noticed that Dunn is swinging with two hands more often? I like it. He hasn't lost any power with it and is crushing the ball.

Thankfully he's not swinging with his feet...

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton strikes out swinging. 1-0 A's mid 2nd.

[Dom Heffner]

Brendan Harris has hit his 8th HR. Ugh.


I want to tell those folks over at The Hardball Times that I don't care if they think he's for real or not, those homeruns are counting.

[KronoRed]

Is it just me or are we just hacking like crazy up there?

[Eric_Davis]

Brendan Harris has hit his 8th HR. Ugh.

He played well enough to earn Player-of-the-Week honors last week.

He had the best overall stats in the AL.

[Reds Fanatic]

Crosby strikes out looking. 1 out.

[Dom Heffner]

He played well enough to earn Player-of-the-Week honors last week.

He had the best overall stats in the AL.


The experts have been saying he can't keep this up for the past 8 weeks.

He can't, but holy cow, he's knocking the snot off the ball, even if the distances on his homeruns aren't impressive.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kendall fouls out to Ross. 2 outs.

[Eric_Davis]

I love that foul territory in Oakland.

[Reds Fanatic]

Buck grounds out to short. 1-0 A's after 2.

[Dom Heffner]

Arizona Diamondbacks, meet the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.

[Eric_Davis]

The experts have been saying he can't keep this up for the past 8 weeks.

He can't, but holy cow, he's knocking the snot off the ball, even if the distances on his homeruns aren't impressive.


We haven't gotten 4 good weeks out of Castro for all the years we've had him.

Why does it always seem like we have one or two Castro-types on the team taking up roster spots.

[Matt700wlw]

I love that foul territory in Oakland.

I do as well...it's where the final out of the 1990 World Series occured!

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez grounds to 3rd and Chavez can't handle it. Not sure if they are calling that a hit or error.

[Eric_Davis]

Good recovery by Lohse.

That's not a weak bottom of the order by Oakland.

Kendall's been hitting the snot out of the ball, as you say. Dan Johnson continues to bat .300. Crosby has had some good games in the last week, and Cust's last two games were excellent.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves Gonzalez to 2nd.

[RedsMan3203]

What?! HUH?!?!

Smart baserunning?!

[Eric_Davis]

....and Ellis has been as hot as anyone.

[Gallen5862]

The Reds need to score this inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross singles to left. 1st and 3rd.

They did call that a hit for Gonzalez.

[Eric_Davis]

What the heck? Was he sleeping at 2nd base?!

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. Tie game 1-1.

[Gallen5862]

What happened at Second?

[flyer85]

Norris figures out a way to not get an RBI ... nothing like an out machine leading off

[Eric_Davis]

So glad Hopper's hitting against Blanton instead of Conine or Valentin (left vs right).

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 2nd. 1-1 mid 3rd.

[Eric_Davis]

What happened at Second?

Gonzalez just stood half-way between 2nd and 3rd and watching the solid single to LF instead of seeing that it was an obvious hit and hustling his butt to home.

[Cyclone792]

That's the 6th double play Norris Hopper has grounded into, and that was only his 100th plate appearance on the season. For his career, in 147 plate appearances, Hopper has grounded into seven double plays, or one double play every 21 plate appearances.

Sean Casey has averaged one double play every 35.59 plate appearances. In 2005, when Casey and the double play became synonomous, Casey hit into a double play once every 21.74 plate appearances.

I think the phrase "grounded into a Casey" could realistically be changed to "grounded into a Hopper," because Norris Hopper is proving to be a GIDP mosheen.

[CTA513]

Norris figures out a way to not get an RBI ... nothing like an out machine leading off

Hes fast and has still hit into 6 double plays in 92 at bats.

[KronoRed]

Grounded into a Hopper it shall be :D

[Reds Fanatic]

Kotsay grounds out to 1st on the first pitch. 1 out.

[flyer85]

and in his 100 plate appearances he has ONE RBI ... a real run producer.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the Info Eric Davis.

[edabbs44]

Gallardo went 102 pitches in 6 1/3 innings tonight. Comparable to Homer.

[Reds Fanatic]

Swisher lines a single to center.

[Reds Fanatic]

Recap of what happened since we got stuck:

Bottom 3rd
Chavez and Cust strike out.

Top 4th.
Junior grounds out to 1st.
Phillips strikes out swinging.
Dunn pops out to short.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellis singles to lead off the inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Crosby grounds out to 3rd. 1-1 after 4.

[Eric_Davis]

Gallardo went 102 pitches in 6 1/3 innings tonight. Comparable to Homer.

I picked him up in my fantasy league and started him this week. He's supposed to be "can't miss".

[Eric_Davis]

Cordero going for the save with the bases loaded and two outs up by run with Bonds on deck.

[guttle11]

I like the way Lohse is pitching lately. Might even bring us decent value in a trade. Perhaps even a Denorfia type.

[flyer85]

I picked him up in my fantasy league and started him this week. He's supposed to be "can't miss".he was having a much more dominating AAA season than Homer

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion singles to center. His 2nd hit of the night.

[TOBTTReds]

Gallardo went 102 pitches in 6 1/3 innings tonight. Comparable to Homer.

He looked great though, YG that is.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks for the updates.

[Eric_Davis]

Recap of what happened since we got stuck:

Bottom 3rd
Chavez and Cust strike out.

Top 4th.
Junior grounds out to 1st.
Phillips strikes out swinging.
Dunn pops out to short.

Is that what happened? Thought it was me and I scanned everything, did spytrackers...and rebooted.

[Cyclone792]

Norris figures out a way to not get an RBI ... nothing like an out machine leading off

Hopper has 77 outs now in only 100 plate appearances. That's simply an awful ratio, but it's what you get when you combine a low on-base percentage with a high ratio of GDPs.

[Eric_Davis]

Cordero does it again.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Is that what happened? Thought it was me and I scanned everything, did spytrackers...and rebooted.No this site completely locked up for about 10 minutes.

[Eric_Davis]

he was having a much more dominating AAA season than Homer

I would have dropped Roy Oswalt, but they won't let you.

[flyer85]

the offensive shine is starting to wear off the rook a little bit

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez grounds out to 2nd. 1-1 mid 5th.

[Gallen5862]

Thanks I was wondering if it was my Computer.

[Eric_Davis]

Question:

Lohse' first pitch to Chavez where it started towards his head and then dropped and curved over the plate for a strike. What kind of pitch was that? That was nasty.

[flyer85]

Hopper has 77 outs now in only 100 plate appearances. That's simply an awful ratio, but it's what you get when you combine a low on-base percentage with a high ratio of GDPs.... but he should be the everyday LF.

[VR]

Hopper has 77 outs now in only 100 plate appearances. That's simply an awful ratio, but it's what you get when you combine a low on-base percentage with a high ratio of GDPs.


Jerry doesn't believe his career .642 minor league OPS in relevant. He's fast and has no power. Leadoff guy. Duh.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kendall singles to center.

[flyer85]

I thought the Thom/Chris discussion about a field manager is simply viewed as middle management in the As organization. Its what led to Macha leaving. Beane wants a manager that will do what he is told by the GM, especially concerning who should play and what roles players are to be used in.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves the runner to 2nd.

[Matt700wlw]

I thought the Thom/Chris discussion about a field manager is simply viewed as middle management in the As organization. Its what led to Macha leaving. Beane wants a manager that will do what he is told by the GM, especially concerning who should play and what roles players are to be used in.

Maybe Beane should just do it himself...

[Reds Fanatic]

Buck started the count 0-2 and then drew a walk. 1st and 2nd.

[Eric_Davis]

What's our chances of scoring next inning?

Actually, after Ross and Hopper go back-to-back with the strikeouts, Hatteberg singles, followed by a Junior HR.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kotsay singles the ball right through Phillips. Bases loaded with no outs.

[RedsMan3203]

Here we go again...

[Eric_Davis]

Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!

[Matt700wlw]

Oh boy.....

[flyer85]

potential DP goes by the boards

[KronoRed]

We need a triple play

[Eric_Davis]

Jerry doesn't believe his career .642 minor league OPS in relevant. He's fast and has no power. Leadoff guy. Duh.

For most of us that reads platoon against lefties only and pinch-hitter.

[Reds Fanatic]

Swisher grounds out to 1st. 2-1 A's. 1 out. Runners on 2nd and 3rd.

[texasdave]

Grounded into a Hopper it shall be :D

since it's a double play let's call it a 2-hopper
:)

[guttle11]

For most of us that reads platoon against lefties only and pinch-hitter.

Most of us aren't "baseball guys". We don't understand that stuff.

[Reds Fanatic]

Chavez with a sac. fly to right. 3-1 A's. Runner on 3rd with 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

A's doing that "making contact with RISP and no outs" thing to get 2 runs

[flyer85]

three looks like it could be enough

[Eric_Davis]

since it's a double play let's call it a 2-hopper
:)

Somehow that name had to have meaning.

[VR]

since it's a double play let's call it a 2-hopper
:)


niiiiiice :beerme:

what happened on the grounder to first?

[Reds Fanatic]

Cust walks. 1st and 3rd.

[Eric_Davis]

A's doing that "making contact with RISP and no outs" thing to get 2 runs

You have to have players that understand this.

[Reds Fanatic]

niiiiiice :beerme:

what happened on the grounder to first?
It was just a slow grounder behind first. No chance to get a DP there.

[Kc61]

Lohse having some problems here. I guess Coutlangus will be in the game in a couple of minutes. After all, with the time difference, Cout has had three extra hours of rest today.

[Matt700wlw]

Yay.


That should take care of things.


Ross called for a pitch, Lohse shook it off, and gave up a homer.....



JB: "Phil Dumatrait, where are you? I've seen enough."

[flyer85]

Cust walks. 1st and 3rd.TTO streak alive

[Caveat Emperor]

Hey -- there's Kyle Lohse.

I wondered where he'd been all night.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is probably the game. Ellis homers to left. 6-1 A's.

[CTA513]

I hope Lohse isn't with the Reds next season.

[Kc61]

I think it's time to discuss how the Reds are going to mess up the first selection in the draft next year.

[flyer85]

now we can say game over. it is amazing to even consider trading Dunn until the likes of Lohse, Hatty, Conine and Weathers have benn dealt.

[Matt700wlw]

Brantly all over Lohse...

[Eric_Davis]

There's the Lohse we all know.


The 5-run inning. You just don't know which inning, though I think all of us could smell it with that 1st walk putting runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.

I was going to commend Lohse for getting out of this with only 2 runs because he usually gives up 5 in this scenario.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson singles to right. Now this is starting to look like the Reds last trip to Oakland.

[flyer85]

I hope Lohse isn't with the Reds next season.I hope he isn't with the Reds in July

[Reds Fanatic]

Salmon is warming up.

[VR]

the exact point I discussed yesterday. Instead of pulling him after that atrocity...he keeps him out there.....without so much as a visit leading up to it to settle him down...OR a visit right after the dinger.

But no, let's try to get cute.

[Reds Fanatic]

A 4 pitch walk to Crosby.

[oneupper]

With some better fielding Lohse might still have a shutout. He's obviously gassed now.

[Caveat Emperor]

A somewhat unbiased discussion of "Moneyball" going on between Thom and Chris on FSN.

I'm shocked.

[KronoRed]

Mark Ellis?

[Eric_Davis]

Lohse having some problems here. I guess Coutlangus will be in the game in a couple of minutes. After all, with the time difference, Cout has had three extra hours of rest today.


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[VR]

I think it's time to discuss how the Reds are going to mess up the first selection in the draft next year.


I'd rather discuss how JN still has a job. Good night. I can't wait to go to Seattle this weekend and watch this traveling train wreck for three days.

[Edskin]

Here's what I like about Lohse.

Our recent run (past 15 years or so) of terrible pitchers have generally lacked the physical tools.

Lohse lacks the mental tools.

It's different.

[Matt700wlw]

Here's what I like about Lohse.

Our recent run (past 15 years or so) of terrible pitchers have generally lacked the physical tools.

Lohse lacks the mental tools.

It's different.

At least it's different...

[Reds Fanatic]

Salmon in to pitch.

Kendall grounds into a fielder's choice to finally end the inning. 6-1 A's after 5.

[Eric_Davis]

Mark Ellis?


He's been really hot the last 7 days...batting over .400.

[Caveat Emperor]

Lohse lacks the mental tools.

It's different.

One guy goes to build a house without a blueprint, but no hammer.

The other guy goes to build a house with a hammer, but no blueprint.

Either way, you're making reservations at Extended Stay.

[Gainesville Red]

Mark Ellis?

He's a Gator, which reminds me, it'll be football season soon.

Can't come soon enough this year. Reds are a little tough to watch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[Edskin]

Can't come soon enough this year. Reds are a little tough to watch.

Ah, we're just building to contend when the new stadium opens in 2047.

[KronoRed]

He's a Gator, which reminds me, it'll be football season soon.

Can't come soon enough this year. Reds are a little tough to watch.

Yep I saw him play a bunch of times....he didn't have much power ;)

[Matt700wlw]

One guy goes to build a house without a blueprint, but no hammer.



Jimmy Haynes?

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper flies out to right. 2 outs.

[Aronchis]

When Lohse goes by by, he really goes. Dude crashes mentally like few other.

[jojo]

Great quote frolm C.W. about the streak in Oakland.... He hasn't ever been to Oakland where he didn't see a fight break out in the stands... that sums up Oakland perfectly. Go Ms!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Reds!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg singles to left.

[jojo]

Hatteberg must've watched some tape between innings.... :D

[Eric_Davis]

Hoppe did what he was expected to do against Blanton.

Absolutely nothing going 0-3.

Not that anyone would have done better, but I would have rather had Valentin at DH with Junior playing the OF. He doesn't need the rest. He has Thursday off and he doesn't play too many Sundays.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior singles. 1st and 2nd.

[flyer85]

2 on and Blanton gets a reprieve

[Eric_Davis]

Let's go Brandon.

You're a gamer.

Do whatever you can here, so Dunn gets a chance.

We need to get Dunn to the plate this inning.

[Caveat Emperor]

When Lohse goes by by, he really goes. Dude crashes mentally like few other.

He's got a little bit of Joey Harrington in him.

[CTA513]

back to back amazing at bats by Phillips.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips strikes out swinging at a pitch in the dirt. 6-1 A's mid 6th.

[flyer85]

Phillips hasn't swung at a strike yet in the game

[Edskin]

Lohse and Phillips share a brain

[flyer85]

back to back amazing at bats by Phillips.he is not a cleanup hitter, he is a hacker and should be hitting somewhere after EE.

[Cyclone792]

Brandon Phillips is one of those players who could become one of baseball's premier all around middle infielders if he would just learn to work a count, get a good pitch to hit, and take a few walks.

Instead, he prefers to be Mr. Swing-at-Everything with a .330 on-base percentage, and as a result, he is what he is.

[Reds Fanatic]

Buck flies out to left. 1 out.

[Eric_Davis]

That was so ugly by Phillips.

It's the batting order.

Ross and Hopper were sure outs. It was probable that Hatteberg would single and that Junior would keep the inning alive.

EdE should have been up with 2 on, not Phillips.

EdE is our best clutch hitter and should be hitting behind Junior and batting 4th with Phillips further down in the order.

I hope Narron gets sick (but that it's not life-threatening or anything) and has to miss a couple of months.

[flyer85]

Brandon Phillips is one of those players who could become one of baseball's premier all around middle infielders if he would j... get a good pitch to hithe is hacker and I've seen little evidence he is likely to change. He has value but he is not a top of the order hitter.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kotsay grounds out to Salmon. 2 outs.

[flyer85]

That was so ugly by Phillips.

It's the batting order.

Ross and Hopper were sure outs. It was probable that Hatteberg would single and that Junior would keep the inning alive.

Dunn should have been up with 2 on, not Phillips.

fixed

[Caveat Emperor]

I hope Narron gets sick (but that it's not life-threatening or anything) and has to miss a couple of months.

I hate Narron as much as the next dude, but I think #28 is the real culprit this evening.

[Reds Fanatic]

Swisher singles to right.

[Eric_Davis]

Great quote frolm C.W. about the streak in Oakland.... He hasn't ever been to Oakland where he didn't see a fight break out in the stands... that sums up Oakland perfectly. Go Ms!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Reds!!!!!!!!!!!


My favorite place to sit there is the outfield bleachers, but sometimes they cut off the beer after 6 innings.

:beerme:

[oneupper]

Brandon Phillips is one of those players who could become one of baseball's premier all around middle infielders if he would just learn to work a count, get a good pitch to hit, and take a few walks.

Instead, he prefers to be Mr. Swing-at-Everything with a .330 on-base percentage, and as a result, he is what he is.

...and by doing so is rewarded with the cleanup spot.

Do Pavlov's dogs salivate?

[corkedbat]

So glad Brandon was batting cleanup against a righty like Blanton. Can't have Griffey and Adam batting back-to-back too often. Gotta breakup those rallies. :bang::bang::bang:

Fess up! The Reds let Redszoners makeup the lineup this weekend in honor of our little soiree and you guys wouldn't tell me cause you were afraid I'd want to start Manos! :D

Well, Noron is certainly back to making out the lineup card. Aaaargh!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Chavez flies out to left. 6-1 A's after 6.

[CTA513]

Salmon with 1 1/3rd scoreless innings.

[flyer85]

Narrons third rule of lineup construction ... thou shalt breakup thy LH hitters and give pitchers a reprieve.

[jojo]

The overshift costs the As an out.... that's gonna screw with Chavez's zone rating.

[Eric_Davis]

Narrons third rule of lineup construction ... thou shalt breakup thy LH hitters and give pitchers a reprieve.

It is simply dumb of him to think that way. It makes no sense to set your lineup for the 8th inning lefty specialist that might come up in that situation.

The best thing tonight would have been 9 Left-handed hitters in a row if we had them.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 1 out.

That out was "just an out"

:D

[corkedbat]

What has Guardado's fastball been clocked at?

[Eric_Davis]

EdE is 2-2 against Blanton.

The guy should be smack dab in the 4 hole.

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Edskin]

What has Guardado's fastball been clocked at?

I don't know, but Brandon Phillips just swung at it.

[Reds Fanatic]

What has Guardado's fastball been clocked at?I don't know about in Louisville but down in Dayton at best he usually was in the low to mid 80s.

[Eric_Davis]

I don't know, but Brandon Phillips just swung at it.

:laugh:

Then Hopper hit it into a double-play.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton grounds out to 1st. 6-1 A's mid 7th.

[Caveat Emperor]

What has Guardado's fastball been clocked at?

It just passed a state trooper on I-275, and he didn't even put the laser gun down.

[flyer85]

What has Guardado's fastball been clocked at?no faster than 88. Like I've pointed out, he has never had the shoulder fixed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Santos in to pitch.

Cust singles to center.

[CTA513]

Is Santos still the long relief man or is it now Gosling?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellis flies out to center. 1 out.

[Eric_Davis]

no faster than 88. Like I've pointed out, he has never had the shoulder fixed.

Narron will fix it. :cry:

[flyer85]

Is Santos still the long relief man or is it now Gosling?what day of the week is it?

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves the runner to 2nd.

[Eric_Davis]

Cust to second on WP.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johnson strikes out. 2 outs.

[Eric_Davis]

Remember when we were winning all those games in Spring Training?

[Reds Fanatic]

Crosby grounds out to Ross. 6-1 A's after 7.

[flyer85]

By far the best Reds broadcast discussion of the year throughout the game from Thom and Chris. They have discussed substantive issues and haven't rolled out the canned answers.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez singles to left.

[Eric_Davis]

Gonzo singles to left.

FWIW, there is one weakness in the A's....their bullpen.

Unfortunately, our weakness is our bench. (I know, there are lot's of weaknesses, but it's hard to tell what's the worst.)

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross fouls out to 3rd. 1 out.

[flyer85]

Chris "most trades are value for value"

... but not all.

[Eric_Davis]

Why does Narron not use a LH for the pitcher to hit against Blanton?

[KronoRed]

Why does Narron not use a LH for the pitcher to hit against Blanton?

Narron sees the DH as an opportunity to give "valuable" bench guys time.

[Eric_Davis]

Why does Narron not use a LH for the pitcher to hit against Blanton?

Oh, that was Hopper! :D

Another dribbler back to the pitcher.

Nice move Narron, giving Blanton 4 outs by batting Hopper leadoff tonight.

[flyer85]

Thom - "if you trade Dunn, you cannot miss because his numbers don't fall out of trees".

Chris now saying "you have to have players that make contact"

Like Norris Hopper , yeah.

[Caveat Emperor]

By far the best Reds broadcast discussion of the year throughout the game from Thom and Chris. They have discussed substantive issues and haven't rolled out the canned answers.

They both were/are really on their game tonight.

The "Moneyball" discussion was, save for a few of the tired strikeouts v. groundouts/flyouts talking points, almost completely devoid of the usual broad generalizations of the book that people unfamiliar with the material use. I thought there were some good points made by both Thom and Chris, and I liked that they encouraged people to read it and form their own opinions.

Then, the discussion this past inning about the future of the ballclub and the need to possibly deal Dunn, waiting for the right return v. dealing him now when there is a market, etc. was quite interesting. Not something you usually hear discussed openly on a broadcast.

Great stuff tonight from an otherwise horrid game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg grounds out to 3rd to end the inning. 6-1 A's mid 8th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Kendall flies out to left.

[Reds Fanatic]

Buck strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[flyer85]

CW - "Denorfia is a 4th of 5th OF at best".

I guess Hopper is a 6th or a 7th