6/23/07 - Reds vs. Mariners Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Reds (29 - 45)
6th in NL Central
Mariners (37 - 33)
3rd in AL West

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. N Hopper, LF .272 0 1 5
2. B Phillips, 2B .277 13 37 15
3. K Griffey Jr., RF .283 19 44 2
4. J Conine, 1B .295 4 23 3
5. A Dunn, DH .270 20 48 7
6. A Gonzalez, SS .264 12 35 0
7. J Hamilton, CF .269 11 24 3
8. D Ross, C .205 11 28 0
9. J Castro, 3B .167 0 4 0

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. I Suzuki, CF .358 5 37 22
2. J Lopez, 2B .279 7 41 1
3. J Vidro, DH .291 3 22 0
4. R Ibanez, LF .278 5 45 0
5. K Johjima, C .313 7 28 0
6. A Beltre, 3B .266 9 28 5
7. R Sexson, 1B .204 12 42 0
8. B Broussard, RF .273 3 9 1
9. Y Betancourt, SS .298 4 28 4


Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
K Lohse 3 9 4.56 1.40 55

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
J Washburn 5 6 4.38 1.38 44

[redsfan4445]

aww you mean mr baseball guy isnt saving "Castro the Great" to pinch hit for Hamilton?? geesh whats up with that..lol

[flyer85]

manos de oro

yeah

[remdog]

Dear Jerry,

Unless EdE is injured, he needs to be in the game, learning and gaining experience (not to mention he's a better player than Jaunito). If Castro needs playing time, let him do it in L'ville or the Independent League.

I realize that you are concerned about saving your sorry, miserable job but don't do it at the expense of the future of this team (which you will not ever, ever be a part of even if you get a 20 game winning streak with Castro in the lineup).

Your buddy,

Rem

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe Edwin needs a day off....and again, perhaps Keppinger would make a better fill in...

[RBA]

On the slight chance I may be sent packing to Sundeck, I have to say.

Narron is a moron.

[flyer85]

Maybe Edwin needs a day off....I guess maybe the off day on thursday wasn't enough.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess maybe the off day on thursday wasn't enough.

in Jerry's mind...in Jerry's mind

:)

[Strikes Out Looking]

I'm sure Jerry feels that Castro needs his swings so that he can be sharp late in future games when he may be called on to pinch hit for Jr. or Dunn.

Or Jerry is showcasing Castro for all the scouts that are following the Reds for a trade as Jerry believes Juan is a five tool infielder who may bring a relief pitcher Jerry can use in the wrong matchup in the eight inning of a future game.

Or Jerry is just insane. I look for Valentin to be in CF Sunday, batting leadoff.

[Big Klu]

I think we are all forgetting that Castro didn't get into last night's 16-1 blowout, so he obviously gets tonight's start as a consolation prize. :D

[Matt700wlw]

I guess, if Castro must play, and for some reason, he must...he's batting 9th.

However, this is AL ball, and that's like playing a pitcher.

[Matt700wlw]

Since we're all ripping Castro, he'll go 4 for 4 with 2 HRs tonight...

[Tony Cloninger]

Are German Berranca....Kelly Paris ....or Rafael Landestoy not available.

Oh how i miss the musings of Mike De La Hoz in this situation.

[flyer85]

The one game winning strek made Jerry nervous ... or the Reds will need a productive castrp for the stretch drive

[VR]

Beautiful night at the park.BPractice saw AD, JR and Ross all hit mega bombs. Castro did manage to get at least 3 balls to the outfield grass...so look out

Jr had Trey in the outfield shagging flies...they were all busting on him pretty good

[Matt700wlw]

Castro's probably 3 for 3 lifetime against Washburn back in 1999, and Edwin has never faced him...

[LINEDRIVER]

Since we're all ripping Castro, he'll go 4 for 4 with 2 HRs tonight...


Castro playing tonight and Conine in the 4th hole again. What gives?

I checked to find that Castro has faced Washburn before as a member of the Minnesota Twins.

July 14, 2005...Flyout to CF and a Popout to SS.

The Reds were off Thursday and they will be off Monday June 25th.

[RBA]

Beautiful night at the park.BPractice saw AD, JR and Ross all hit mega bombs. Castro did manage to get at least 3 balls to the outfield grass...so look out

Jr had Trey in the outfield shagging flies...they were all busting on him pretty good

I heard Ken Sr on the Father's Day tv broadcast say that Trey is batting around .200 But it looks like he's better at Football.

[Matt700wlw]

According to the pregame, Narron told Castro he would get him a start against a lefty on this road trip. "He's done a good job against lefties and Eddie's numbers have gone down against lefties for whatever reason."

He also said he doesn't like guys sitting for a week or more at a time without playing.






You know what I like?, putting the best players on the field at all times (barring the always needed day off) to win ball games.

:)

[flyer85]

According to the pregame, Narron told Castro he would get him a start against a lefty on this road trip. "He's done a good job against lefties and Eddie's numbers have gone down against lefties for whatever reason."

He also said he doesn't like guys sitting for a week or more at a time without playing.I guess that's why Javy recently had a long stretch without starting. Jerry's full of it.

[MrCinatit]

According to the pregame, Narron told Castro he would get him a start against a lefty on this road trip. "He's done a good job against lefties and Eddie's numbers have gone down against lefties for whatever reason."

He also said he doesn't like guys sitting for a week or more at a time without playing.

That almost made me cry.
And not in a happy, tingly type way.


I guess that's why Javy recently had a long stretch without starting. Jerry's full of it.

Or why Jerry sat Edwin for a long period of time after an error last year.

[Matt700wlw]

I guess that's why Javy recently had a long stretch without starting. Jerry's full of it.

Javy started on Homer's last start...he's also been late game substitutions.

Maybe that counts :dunno:

[flyer85]

Javy started on Homer's last start...he's also been late game substitutions.

Maybe that counts :dunno:... and that was Javy's first start in 18 days

[Big Klu]

Are German Berranca....Kelly Paris ....or Rafael Landestoy not available.

Oh how i miss the musings of Mike De La Hoz in this situation.

Hey, I've been trying to bring back that spirit in the historical threads in ORG! :)

On this date in 1982, Landestoy hit 2nd and Barranca hit 3rd in the Reds' 5-4 win over the Padres. Meanwhile, Dan Driessen hit 6th, and Ron Oester hit 7th. Go figure.

[Matt700wlw]

Hey, I've been trying to bring back that spirit in the historical threads in ORG! :)

On this date in 1982, Landestoy hit 2nd and Barranca hit 3rd in the Reds' 5-4 win over the Padres.

They're scrappy

[Big Klu]

... and that was Javy's first start in 18 days

I would rather have Javy, instead of Moeller, start when Ross gets a day off.

[HotCorner]

I guess maybe the off day on thursday wasn't enough.

Nor is the one on Monday. ;)

[Big Klu]

They're scrappy

Here's what it looked like that day:


25 years ago (1982), a 5-4 win at home vs. the Padres.

San Diego
Gene Richards lf
Tim Flannery 2b
Garry Templeton ss
Ruppert Jones cf
Sixto Lezcano rf
Terry Kennedy c
Luis Salazar 3b
Broderick Perkins 1b
Chris Welsh p

Cincinnati
Eddie Milner rf
Rafael Landestoy 3b
German Barranca 2b
Cesar Cedeño cf
Mike Vail lf
Dan Driessen 1b
Ron Oester ss
Alex Treviño c
Frank Pastore p


WP: Tom Hume (1-2)
LP: Eric Show (4-3)
HR: CIN - Paul Householder (4).

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper attempts to bunt and grounds out to the pitcher. 1 out.

[Tony Cloninger]

Yes....i questioned that too. DD was the only real source of power and OB ability on that team that year. Oester could at least make contact.

But it was 1982 and you always have the fast.....scrappy....IF types at the top of the order.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips flies out to right. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Standing O for Junior

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior strikes out swinging. 0-0 mid 1st.

[Tony Cloninger]

I would rather have defense at C....you can get the offense from at least 5 other players in this offense.

Griffey swinging at some real bad pitches that he has not swung at for a while....so it does look like (obviously) he is trying to hard.

[Reds Fanatic]

Suzuki lines a single to right.

[Matt700wlw]

Ichiro being Ichiro - he would be a nice free agent pickup for a team needing a leadoff hitter...

[Big Klu]

Yes....i questioned that too. DD was the only real source of power and OB ability on that team that year. Oester could at least make contact.

But it was 1982 and you always have the fast.....scrappy....IF types at the top of the order.

Don't get me wrong--Oester wasn't a great offensive player. (.260/.303/.359/.662, 9 HR's 47 RBI's) But compared to Rafael Landestoy and German Barranca, he's Rogers Hornsby!

[BCubb2003]

Kyle Lohse hitting 41 points higher than Juan Castro.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez walks. 1st and 2nd.

[Matt700wlw]

Kyle Lohse starting rather shakily...

[LINEDRIVER]

2007 numbers

EE vs. LHP 16-for-74 .216 BA
Castro vs. LHP 6-for-26 .231 BA

Career numbers

EE vs. LHP 60-for-252 .238 BA
Castro vs. LHP 138-for-618 .223 BA

[Big Klu]

Kyle Lohse hitting 41 points higher than Juan Castro.

To be fair, Castro might be a better pitcher than Lohse! :evil:

[Matt700wlw]

2007 numbers

EE vs. LHP 16-for-74 .216 BA
Castro vs. LHP 6-for-26 .231 BA

Career numbers

EE vs. LHP 60-for-252 .238 BA
Castro vs. LHP 138-for-618 .223 BA


I'll take the career numbers. They're career numbers for a reason.

[Matt700wlw]

Pole: "Why are you sucking?"

Lohse: "Because I have the mentality of a 4 year old."

Pole: "Well, stop, or you'll sit in timeout."

[Big Klu]

2007 numbers

EE vs. LHP 16-for-74 .216 BA
Castro vs. LHP 6-for-26 .231 BA

Career numbers

EE vs. LHP 60-for-252 .238 BA
Castro vs. LHP 138-for-618 .223 BA

I'm surprised that Edwin's numbers vs. LHP are that poor. :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Vidro walks. Bases loaded with no outs.

[Matt700wlw]

For the love of Eric Milton.....

[CTA513]

It looks like the normal Lohse is back.

[KronoRed]

Anyone still up for giving him a 3 year deal?

[Matt700wlw]

Who saw that coming?

:wave:

Next? I'm done with the clown.

[Reds Fanatic]

Well that didn't take long. Ibanez grand slam to right. 4-0 Mariners.

[Big Klu]

What's Brantley saying, Matt?

[Tom Servo]

:lol:

[MrCinatit]

Lohse is simply horrible.

[Matt700wlw]

What's Brantley saying, Matt?

Nothing. Right now, he probably has steam coming out of his ears, and maybe shouldn't speak.

We don't want to get fined :laugh:

[KronoRed]

Can we have 14 of last nights runs back for today and tomorrow? :D

[LINEDRIVER]

Just tuned into WLW to hear if Brantley is ripping on Lohse again. Haven't heard anything yet.

[Reds Fanatic]

Johjima pops out to short. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Bring up Phil Dumatrait

[jojo]

Who saw that coming?

:wave:

Next? I'm done with the clown.

Hey, to be fair to Lohse, HRs fly out of the Kingdome.....

[Falls City Beer]

Trade value dropping. If his ERA creeps up over 5.00 by the deadline, he'll bring back nothing in return.

[Reds Fanatic]

Beltre grounds out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Hey, to be fair to Lohse, HRs fly out of the Kingdome.....

This isn't the Kingdome :)

[cumberlandreds]

Bring up Phil Dumatrait

I'm for bringing him up and sticking him in Lohse's spot for the rest of the season. Who's with me?

[LINEDRIVER]

Before the grandslammer, Brantley had just mentioned Lohse's ineptitude of pitching well with runners on base.

[CTA513]

That Lohse contract extention is right around the corner.

[Matt700wlw]

Kyle Lohse's scouting report:

Get on second base and you're golden

[Falls City Beer]

I'm for bringing him up and sticking him in Lohse's spot for the rest of the season. Who's with me?

Young garbage is still garbage.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sexson flies out to right. 4-0 Mariners after 1.

[Matt700wlw]

Livingston pitched a CG shut out last night

[TeamCasey]

This is going to be a rough one.

[Big Klu]

Bring up Phil Dumatrait

I would seriously consider giving Lohse his unconditional release. Every now and then, he has a great performance, but it's just a tease. The Reds would be better off to just cut bait and let one of the kids take his spot in the rotation.

[LINEDRIVER]

The Reds are playing their 75th game of the year. Mr. Clean-Up has yet to hit a HR on the road this year.

[Matt700wlw]

Young garbage is still garbage.

Could be. Could not be.

Won't know until you try. He's earned the opportunity

[Big Klu]

Does anyone know what Conine's OBP is vs. LHP? I'm not asking this as an indictment against him--I just have an idea, and I need that info.

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine strikes out looking. 1 out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Does anyone know what Conine's OBP is vs. LHP?
.352

[LINEDRIVER]

I would seriously consider giving Lohse his unconditional release. Every now and then, he has a great performance, but it's just a tease. The Reds would be better off to just cut bait and let one of the kids take his spot in the rotation.

I agree. Get him the hell outta here. Cut your losses and let somebody else get some experience in the big leagues.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks.

[DoogMinAmo]

.352

w/ an .835 OPS.

[Matt700wlw]

wow....

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez singles to center. He starts to go to 2nd stops and is thrown out at first. Dunn at 3rd. 2 outs.

[Big Klu]

Does anyone know what Conine's OBP is vs. LHP? I'm not asking this as an indictment against him--I just have an idea, and I need that info.


.352

Thanks. Here's my idea: Hatteberg has been moved up to the leadoff spot vs. RHP because he can get on base. Why not move Conine to the leadoff spot vs. LHP for the same reason? It also makes the platoon a lot easier to work.

[edabbs44]

Trade value dropping. If his ERA creeps up over 5.00 by the deadline, he'll bring back nothing in return.

The rest of the league isn't stupid. He doesn't have much trade value, now or with an ERA over 5.

[jojo]

newsflash...Ichiro plays really good defense in centerfield....

[Matt700wlw]

newsflash...Ichiro plays really good defense in centerfield....

Yes he does

Hamilton-----Ichiro-----Griffey

:D

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton walks. 1st and 3rd.

[jojo]

Yes he does

-----Ichiro---------------Hamilton-------------------------------------Griffey

:D

Fixed that for ya.

[flyer85]

pitched around Ross, wonder why he did that?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross walks. Bases loaded and unfortunately Castro up.

[Falls City Beer]

The rest of the league isn't stupid. He doesn't have much trade value, now or with an ERA over 5.

Some of the league isn't stupid. Keep the ERA at a deceptive 4.50 and he might have a sucker, like Wayne himself, to palm him off upon for a solid prospect. At 5.00 and above, pretty much all decent prospects come off the table. Not saying I agree with it, but that I know how some GMs think.

[jojo]

Makes sense.....pitch around Ross to get to the pitcher....I mean Castro....

[Matt700wlw]

Fixed that for ya.

Either way...looks good.

[Big Klu]

Ross walks. Bases loaded and unfortunately Castro up.

I'm feelin' it!

[MrCinatit]

Castro. Yeah. That is the man I want in a bases loaded situation.

[cumberlandreds]

Grand Slam time for Castro. :D Wonder what the odds are for that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro flies out to right. 4-0 Mariners mid 2nd.

[flyer85]

pop fly from bato de stinko

[Matt700wlw]

pop fly from bato de stinko

El Woodo la Stinka

[KronoRed]

Wonder what EE would have done?

[Team Clark]

Looking for Lohse to make a small mechanical adjustment next inning. He's turning his plant foot toward the first base side. Everything else is following through fairly well but his Fastball will drift all night if he doesn't correct it. His breaking ball could tend to be overthrown or over rotated if he gets in that same rhythm. This is the stuff that drives me crazy. Simple mechanical adjustments that usually go unnoticed.

[Falls City Beer]

Wonder what EE would have done?

Probably would have failed to run out a pop foul into the stands.

[flyer85]

Wonder what EE would have done? that happens when you do stupid stuff

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard flies out to left. 1 out.

[Team Clark]

Why are these guys swinging?

[Reds Fanatic]

Betancourt pops out to 2nd on the first pitch. 2 outs.

[cumberlandreds]

Wonder what EE would have done?

I was just thinking that would have been a good spot for EdE to pinch hit. But that would never happen to Castro.

[Matt700wlw]

Damn. That was fast.

4 pitches, 3 outs

[Team Clark]

3 pitches 3 outs. Wow!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Suzuki flies out to left. A 3 pitch inning! 4-0 Mariners after 2.

[jojo]

How's that for working the count?

[Aronchis]

The lack of understanding how desperate teams are for pitching means Lohse may be a undervalued commodity on the late summer market. Some team will grab him and hope he is in his good phase.

[Falls City Beer]

The Mariners' offense sucks. They're all pitching and D.

[KronoRed]

I missed last nights game thread with a windows reinstall, think I should do it again? for the team? :D

[flyer85]

The Mariners' offense sucks. They're all pitching and D.that money on Beltre and Sexson didn't go very far.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[flyer85]

Hopper is a wonderful out machine in the leadoff spot

[Falls City Beer]

N. Hopper .650 OPS = leadoff?

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips pops out to 2nd. 2 outs.

[cumberlandreds]

I missed last nights game thread with a windows reinstall, think I should do it again? for the team? :D

Why not? I don't think you will miss much tonight.

[CTA513]

Hopper is a wonderful out machine in the leadoff spot

Gameday shows that hes hitting .191 this month.

[Big Klu]

I was just thinking that would have been a good spot for EdE to pinch hit. But that would never happen to Castro.

A la John Vuckovich being lifted for pinch-hitter Dan Driessen in the 2nd inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to left on the first pitch. 8 pitch inning. 4-0 Mariners mid 3rd.

[flyer85]

N. Hopper .650 OPS = leadoff?Reds have two ninth place hitters tonight. Hard to do with the DH.

[flyer85]

One would think when you are in last place you would do everything possible to keep a one game winning streak alive

[cumberlandreds]

A la John Vuckovich being lifted for pinch-hitter Dan Driessen in the 2nd inning.


Very good comparison. I wish it would have happened. :(

[jojo]

The Mariners' offense sucks. They're all pitching and D.

It's a poorly constructed lineup.... righty-heavy offensively in a park that kills righties....

I wish they were all pitching though.....

Defensively it's a really nice infield minus Sexson who is horrid...

In the outfield, Ichiro may win the GG in center, Guillen is pretty good while Raul is, well, not Manny or Dunn per se defensively.

They really need Adam Jones in left but, well, the roster is so jacked up that it's tough to envision a way to do it. At least the solutions aren't doable be cause a certain bald-headed GM is invested in the guys that would have to be marginalized.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez lines a double to the left field corner.

[Matt700wlw]

One would think when you are in last place you would do everything possible to keep a one game winning streak alive

You would think...

However, Jerry treats this like little league, make sure everybody gets their playing time....

I think he plans days or weeks ahead when guys will sit so somebody else can start, regardless of the state of things.

They could be 2 games out of first, playing the first place team for 2 games, and if it was Dunn/Griffey/EE's (whomever you want) turn to rest, they would rest regardless....

[Matt700wlw]

Here we go again....

Loshe is about to implode again.

[Big Klu]

Here we go again...:rolleyes:

[Reds Fanatic]

Vidro singles to right. 1st and 3rd.

[Falls City Beer]

It's a poorly constructed lineup.... righty-heavy offensively in a park that kills righties....

I wish they were all pitching though.....

Defensively it's a really nice infield minus Sexson who is horrid...

In the outfield, Ichiro may win the GG in center, Guillen is pretty good while Raul is, well, not Manny or Dunn per se defensively.

They really need Adam Jones in left but, well, the roster is so jacked up that it's tough to envision a way to do it. At least the solutions aren't doable be cause a certain bald-headed GM is invested in the guys that would have to be marginalized.

The reason they're four games over .500 isn't their offense. I guess that's my point.

[CTA513]

Bad AAA pitchers can do this for cheaper.

[Matt700wlw]

Hey, a DP!

[Reds Fanatic]

Ibanez grounds into a 4-6-3 DP. 5-0 Mariners.

[Matt700wlw]

The reason they're four games over .500 isn't their offense. I guess that's my point.

I would agree. The offense, sure, it has it's flaws, and it's inconsistancies, but has done enough to win PLENTY of games this season that the pitching, mostly the bullpen, had blown for them.

[flyer85]

Reds lineup problems are at the top. The guys that tend to bat up there just don't get on base nearly enough

[Matt700wlw]

Wow...Lohse didn't lose his head that time

[Reds Fanatic]

Johjima flies out to right. 5-0 Mariners after 3.

[jojo]

The reason they're four games over .500 isn't their offense. I guess that's my point.

Well it's not really their pitching either...

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine grounds out to 3rd. 1 out.

[jojo]

I would agree. The offense, sure, it has it's flaws, and it's inconsistancies, but has done enough to win PLENTY of games this season that the pitching, mostly the bullpen, had blown for them.

The Ms bullpen is a strength actually...

[Falls City Beer]

Well it's not really their pitching either...

So it's their defense?:confused:

[Matt700wlw]

The Ms bullpen is a strength actually...

He meant the M's....not the Reds...duh. :doh:



I confused myself.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out looking. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez flies out to center. 5-0 Mariners mid 4th.

[harangatang]

Reds lineup problems are at the top. The guys that tend to bat up there just don't get on base nearly enoughAnyone up for Dunn in the two hole again?

[Reds Fanatic]

Beltre flies out to center. 1 out.

[Falls City Beer]

It's basically two and a half starters and a good bullpen. They'll come apart, of course, but the reason the Mariners have had this marginal success is due primarily to pitching (bullpen mostly) and their defense. The rest is just nitpicking.

It's certainly not their offense.

[Matt700wlw]

Cool. Another dinger.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sexson homers to right. 6-0 Mariners.

[jojo]

So it's their defense?:confused:

They've got a pretty good defense minus first base and left field.

I dunno, their rotation is a travesty beyond their #2 starter, their record is three wins better than their pythag and their DH is SLG .362 but he's not slumping. I think they're basically a .500 team. They've got a flawed roster and sometimes they look great and sometimes they look, well, flawed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Betancourt pops out to 1st. 6-0 Mariners after 4.

[Reds Fanatic]

In his last 3 starts Lohse has now given up 15 runs on 20 hits and 9 walks in 17 2/3 innings.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton grounds out to 1st. 1 out.

[edabbs44]

In his last 3 starts Lohse has now given up 15 runs on 20 hits and 9 walks in 17 2/3 innings.

So is he a bargain at $4 million and change, as some say, since he is a back of the rotation starter? Or is he a waste of $4 million?

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross singles to left.

[Matt700wlw]

Single by Castro...he'll be in the lineup for the next month

:p:

[Reds Fanatic]

Castro reaches on an inflield single off Betancourt's glove. 1st and 2nd.

[flyer85]

So is he a bargain at $4 million and change... if that is true he should be easy to trade

[Matt700wlw]

Castro doubled up

[CTA513]

Double play machine.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper lines out to Sexson for an unassisted DP. 6-0 Mariners mid 5th.

[jojo]

It pays to be lucky

[KronoRed]

Hopper hits into a Hopper

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Ichiro.

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse on track to lose his 10th game before the halfway mark.

Coffey warming in the bullpen

[Reds Fanatic]

Lopez flies out to left. 1 out.

[LINEDRIVER]

A la John Vuckovich being lifted for pinch-hitter Dan Driessen in the 2nd inning.

That comment made me curious enough to check to see how many times Driessen pinch-hit for Vukovich in 1975.

Driessen hit for Vuk just 2 times.

April 16, 1975...DD hit for Vuk in the 2nd inning and popped out to the thirdbaseman in foul territory. April 22, 1975...DD hit for Vuk in the 5th inning and walked.

DD did not go to 3B after pinch-hitting for Vukovich. (DD never appeared in another game at 3B in the big leagues after the conclusion of the '74 season) Infielders Darrell Chaney or Doug Flynn took over for Vuk if he was pulled out of a game.

[Matt700wlw]

Kyle Lohse is the Eric Milton of the 2007 Reds

[Reds Fanatic]

Ellison pinch hits for Ibanez and flies out to end the inning. 6-0 Mariners after 5.

[Falls City Beer]

Kyle Lohse is the Eric Milton of the 2007 Reds

Don't say you weren't warned.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips grounds out to short on the first pitch.

[edabbs44]

Kyle Lohse is the Eric Milton of the 2007 Reds

And you wonder why people bash Krivsky as much as they do.

PS: Not you personally, but some people on the board.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior singles to right.

[KronoRed]

Work the count..anyone? Bueller?

[Matt700wlw]

And you wonder why people bash Krivsky as much as they do.

He's earned it.

He can change it...but so far he's earned it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine grounds into a 5-4-3 DP.

[jojo]

For those who care, Ibanez left with tightness in his left hammy... it sucks getting old.

[Big Klu]

That comment made me curious enough to check to see how many times Driessen pinch-hit for Vukovich in 1975.

Driessen hit for Vuk just 2 times.

April 16, 1975...DD hit for Vuk in the 2nd inning and popped out to the thirdbaseman in foul territory. April 22, 1975...DD hit for Vuk in the 5th inning and walked.

DD did not go to 3B after pinch-hitting for Vukovich. (DD never appeared in another game at 3B in the big leagues after the conclusion of the '74 season) Infielders Darrell Chaney or Doug Flynn took over for Vuk if he was pulled out of a game.

Vuk wasn't around much longer in the '75 season. He only played in 31 games, and his last appearance for the Reds was on May 18, but he wasn't traded to the Phillies until August 5. I don't know if he was injured or if he was sent down to the minors.

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse nails Sexson....who isn't happy about it.


This could get fun, after all. :)

[MrCinatit]

Lohse plunks Sexson - and I thought the ump was about to do us a favor and toss Kyle. He wanted to - I could tell.

[Matt700wlw]

I wouldn't mess with Sexson....I'd run if he charged the mound at me. I'd scream too...

:D

[Matt700wlw]

When does the Lohse debacle end?

[LINEDRIVER]

Vuk wasn't around much longer in the '75 season. He only played in 31 games, and his last appearance for the Reds was on May 18, but he wasn't traded to the Phillies until August 5. I don't know if he was injured or if he was sent down to the minors.

I believe he was sent to AAA Indianapolis and he went screaming and kicking. He wasn't a happy camper.

[Reds Fanatic]

Broussard homers. 8-0 Mariners.

[Joseph]

When does the Lohse debacle end?

Soon please. Now please!

[Matt700wlw]

Keep him out there, let him finish it, even if it's 200 pitches....

[jesusfan]

Payback...

[jesusfan]

I'd leave Lohse out there till his arm falls off...

[Matt700wlw]

I'd almost rather see Milton...









almost...

[edabbs44]

Broussard homers. 8-0 Mariners.

Doesn't someone usually get plunked AFTER the HR?

Honestly...I think it is time for Bob to gut the front office. Maybe it will get better, but does anyone want to take that chance? This team is already worse than TB and KC...where might this end? Worse than Chattanooga or UNC?

[Reds Fanatic]

Lohse's ERA now up to 5.02. Lohse has now given up 17 runs on 21 hits and 9 walks in his last 17 1/3 innings.

[Matt700wlw]

This isn't Jerry's fault at all, but they can leave him in Seattle too, and move on in that respect...

It's all about the future....these two (among others) aren't part of it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lohse's ERA in these last 3 starts is 8.83.

[edabbs44]

Lohse's ERA at 5.02. What a brilliant trade and subsequent 1 year deal.

BTW, Zach Ward is currently in High A with a 3.05 ERA, 2.03 BB/9, 8.13 K/9 and 1.19 WHIP.

Yeah, I'd rather undo the trade, even if Ward never makes it to the show.

[jojo]

Jr's big return....marketing genius from the FO, two yawners on the field sp far though...

[edabbs44]

OK...I must admit it. I had Lohse on my fantasy team for about 2 hours this week. I thought maybe I'd catch the Jekyll side of Lohse for a 2 start week. I dropped him right before the deadline.

Thank God.

[Matt700wlw]

Salmon in....Lohse done

[WVRedsFan]

Just got in from a wedding reception and saw the score. Went back and read the game thread and all I can say is "why"?

How long will the pitching choices of Wayne Krivsky haunt us?

[KronoRed]

I love Former Twins..don't you guys? :D

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe Salmon can give one up now....

[edabbs44]

I love Former Twins..don't you guys? :D

I still see Carlos Silva in the Cincy future at some point.

[WVRedsFan]

I love Former Twins..don't you guys? :D

Hang around. I'd bet we'll see more. We've already installed the ever popular (to Krivsky) three catchers. We have Lohse, Castro, ED Eddie. We've tried other Twins. The Cincinnati Twins. Sounds like a carnival side show.

[Matt700wlw]

That ball almost knocked the ball girl over

[jojo]

Johjima is a good doubleplay candidate

[Matt700wlw]

hey, a DP

[BCubb2003]

According to Pythagoras, the Reds are leading this game by six runs.

[jojo]

I'm thinking it's safe to go to bed... down 8, only 4 outs left and the Ms have death to lefties and one of the best high leverage guys both still waiting in the pen...

[Matt700wlw]

According to Pythagoras, the Reds are leading this game by six runs.

Maybe they should be the official scorer... :D

[Matt700wlw]

:phillips:

:jump:

[Big Klu]

Sexson homers again. Ouch.

[Matt700wlw]

Oh well....?

[Big Klu]

Matt, I think we are the only ones left.

[Matt700wlw]

Matt, I think we are the only ones left.

Oh well.

:)

[Matt700wlw]

We are standing at 1:58 minutes with 2 outs to go.

I guess that's a good thing given the score.

[CTA513]

Now we get to wait and see if Arroyo gets smacked around again tomorrow.

[Big Klu]

It has been a fast game!

[Matt700wlw]

2:02...that's pretty good.

It's not even dark in Seattle yet.

[Big Klu]

Mercifully, it's over.

[WVRedsFan]

Well, that's all she wrote.

Lefthanders are poison to us (well most of the time).

Castro made his uneventful appearance. Why?

Conine batted cleanup.

Hamilton mired in the bottom of the order.

Lohse still Lohse.

Same hymn, second verse.

[Big Klu]

Who pitches for the M's tomorrow?

[edabbs44]

Now we get to wait and see if Arroyo gets smacked around again tomorrow.

Yep, that should be fun.

[CTA513]

Maybe we can get lucky and have the sunday special lineup tomorrow?

[jojo]

Who pitches for the M's tomorrow?

Bateeeeeeeeeeesta...he's a righthanded tee BTW......

[edabbs44]

I had no idea that Cincy was tied with KC for the worst record in baseball. I knew they were close, but I didn't know that they had a piece of the bottom rung.

Congrats Wayne...you did it.

[WVRedsFan]

Batista is 7-6 with a 4.99 ERA.

I imagine we'll see a Sunday Special lineup

Hatteberg
Phillips
Castro
Encarnacion
Dunn
Hopper
Hamilton
Moeller
Conine

Mark it down

[WVRedsFan]

I had no idea that Cincy was tied with KC for the worst record in baseball. I knew they were close, but I didn't know that they had a piece of the bottom rung.

Congrats Wayne...you did it.

And with no comment from the Cincy press and the big talking owner.

Makes me fear the trading deadline. Unless they bring the kids up, I fear what we'll have left when it's over. Craft veterans and more relief pitching.

Ugh.

[Big Klu]

Bateeeeeeeeeeesta...he's a righthanded tee BTW......


Batista is 7-6 with a 4.99 ERA.

I imagine we'll see a Sunday Special lineup

Hatteberg
Phillips
Castro
Encarnacion
Dunn
Hopper
Hamilton
Moeller
Conine

Mark it down


Let me go on record now with what I think tomorrow's lineup should be:

Hatteberg 1b
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn dh
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Conine lf
Gonzalez ss
Ross c

[jojo]

Let me go on record now with what I think tomorrow's lineup should be:

Hatteberg 1b
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn dh
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Conine lf
Gonzalez ss
Ross c

Given a righty on the mound and the fact the left field is death to right-handed hitters, I'd load the lineup with lefties. Given left field is a premium defensive position in Safeco, i'd have my best defensive leftfielder there.

Given those caveats, i'd take your lineup and change out Conine for Hopper and Ross for Valentin. Both Conine and Ross could be on the bench in case the Ms want to bring in lefty death (Sherrill) in a late inning high leverage situation.

[Big Klu]

Given a righty on the mound and the fact the left field is death to right-handed hitters, I'd load the lineup with lefties. Given left field is a premium defensive position in Safeco, i'd have my best defensive leftfielder there.

Given those caveats, i'd take your lineup and change out Conine for Hopper and Ross for Valentin. Both Conine and Ross could be on the bench in case the Ms want to bring in lefty death (Sherrill) in a late inning high leverage situation.

I'll give you Hopper in LF, but Ross will be the catcher tomorrow since Arroyo is pitching.


So the alternate lineup is:

Hatteberg 1b
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn dh
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Hopper lf



Still, I would go with my original lineup, and bring Hopper in as a PR/defensive replacement for either Conine or Hatteberg as needed. (Conine would move to 1B if Hopper replaces Hatteberg.)

[WVRedsFan]

how'd you know that?

Only thing you got wrong was the DH.

Got any ideas on lottery numbers? :)

[Big Klu]

how'd you know that?

Only thing you got wrong was the DH.

Got any ideas on lottery numbers? :)

I must say that I'm not surprised that Griffey is the DH on getaway day--when you pair that up with tomorrow's travel day, it's like giving him two days off.

As for the lineup and batting order, let's just say that Jerry guesses right sometimes. :D

[membengal]

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[KronoRed]

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[Wheelhouse]

"And Adam Dunn receives a telegram a ball has been hit his way..."

[Matt700wlw]

Squeeze play, as always, works against the Reds. :rant2:

[Wheelhouse]

Where are the "scrappy" jokes about the Mariners?

[Matt700wlw]

Conine to hit for Ross...

Now this move, I can see.

[KronoRed]

This game is still going?

;)

[jojo]

This game is still going?

;)

you'd think friday's thread would be the one that wouldn't go away....

:beerme:

[KronoRed]

you'd think friday's thread would be the one that wouldn't go away....

:beerme:

We sure could use some of those runs today