6/28/2007 Reds vs Phils - Game 3

[flyer85]

Hatteberg 1b
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Moeller c
Belisle p

It worked yesterday so I'll try it again.

[Reds Fanatic]

There is a 70% chance of showers and thunderstorms for tonight's game.

[Big Klu]

I have been pleased with Hatteberg's overall performance in the leadoff spot, but I really liked Hamilton in the #1 spot last night, and I would have kept him there, with Hatteberg at #6.

[Matt700wlw]

There is a 70% chance of showers and thunderstorms for tonight's game.

yay

[Reds Fanatic]

Here is the Phillies lineup for tonight.


Rollins ss
Victorino rf
Utley 2b
Howard 1b
Rowand cf
Dobbs lf
Helms 3b
Ruiz c
Eaton p

[dabvu2498]

Burrell must be steaming.

[MrCinatit]

I have been pleased with Hatteberg's overall performance in the leadoff spot, but I really liked Hamilton in the #1 spot last night, and I would have kept him there, with Hatteberg at #6.

Isn't it against baseball regulations to use the same lineup for two days in a row?

[KronoRed]

Isn't it against baseball regulations to use the same lineup for two days in a row?
Those the Bob Boone regulations?

[Matt700wlw]

Happy 26th Birthday, Brandon Phillips

:party: :phillips: :party:

[Big Klu]

Isn't it against baseball regulations to use the same lineup for two days in a row?

We can get a waiver, because Conine started last night! :D

[Matt700wlw]

Wow...typical of this season.


Dunn should have K'd :p:

[red-in-la]

YEAH, you said it.....that one half inning is what gets you 100 losses...whew....what I mean is this season seems to be a constant replay, over and over again, of that one half inning.

[Big Klu]

Well, looks like FSN lost the feed.

[Matt700wlw]

Well, looks like FSN lost the feed.

Not in Cincy...

[red-in-la]

Reds skills on parade here. Belisle puts the ball right where Moeller calls for it and the hitter drives it to the warning track.

[Tom Servo]

Someone should tell Jim Edmonds that George Grande is cheating on him with Chase Utley.

[Matt700wlw]

Between Moeller and Javy, the catching position has thrown out 1 batter at second base.

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:

[MrCinatit]

Well, looks like FSN lost the feed.

Looks the same here. I am looking at a completely black screen.
It is kind of an improvement.

[Matt700wlw]

Matt Belisle makes a lot of stupid pitches...hell, Reds pitchers make a lot of stupid pitches

[KronoRed]

Things are going well.

[KronoRed]

Looks the same here. I am looking at a completely black screen.
It is kind of an improvement.

:laugh:

[CTA513]

Thats the smart Reds pitching we all know.

[red-in-la]

Maybe YOU are the lucky one Big Klu.....Utley hits a 2 run dinger.

[CTA513]

Howard with his 8th K of the series.

[Matt700wlw]

:ede:

:jump:

[KronoRed]

Howard with his 8th K of the series.

He K's too much :D

[Big Klu]

OK, the picture just came back. I see we are down 2-1.

[red-in-la]

Hamilton ahead 2-0 and the next two swings are on pitches right on his thumbs.

[red-in-la]

BTW lest this game get too unpleaseant to look at, Braveheart is on AMC at 5:00 PST. That is channel 254 on DirectTV.

[Matt700wlw]

Hal says Krivsky has been working the phones, and is ready to trade some high-salary players.


Biggest salary guys are Dunn, Griffey, Harang (do not trade in my book), Arroyo (I'd be willing to listen, and I think the Reds would be too), Lohse....Milton (DL, and off the books next season....I wouldn't worry about him).

I would also consider a guy like Weathers, Hatte, and Conine...package deals, whatever.

[Matt700wlw]

Crushed. Gone. Loooong gone. Wow.

:dunn:

:jump:

[Big Klu]

Wow!


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Adam Dunn - 221
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Barry Larkin - 198
9. Vada Pinson - 186
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[CTA513]

Griffey ties the game with a sac fly and Dunn gives the Res a 4-2 lead with a 2-run homerun.

[jesusfan]

Trade him now... lol j/k

[Falls City Beer]

Crushed. Gone. Loooong gone. Wow.

:dunn:

:jumpL:

He sucks. He'll garner nothing in trade.

[Always Red]

BTW lest this game get too unpleaseant to look at, Braveheart is on AMC at 5:00 PST. That is channel 254 on DirectTV.

My very favorite movie, of all time. :thumbup:

I love when Wallace speaks to his wife (well, his girlfriend at that point), in Gaelic....and Latin....and then in French.

[Big Klu]

George will now start pimping Ryan Howard's Gold Glove possibilities.

[OnBaseMachine]

Breaking news: Adam Dunn is good. If/when Krivsky trades him, the Reds had better get a HUGE return.

[jesusfan]

Like I said... DO NOT trade Dunn unless it brings a very nice package, nothing less than a Loney or Kemp/Broxton/BIllingsley package...Sell high or don't sell at all...

[Matt700wlw]

Hitting Griffey and Dunn 3 and 4 is a hell of a punch.....I would have liked/like to see it all year without exception - but we all know how Jerry operates...

[red-in-la]

"They said you wus HUNGG!!"

"And they was right"

----------------------------------

Now that was a hanging curve ball!

[Always Red]

Dunn. Sheesh, what a hoser.....:D

[jesusfan]

.273 23 HR 54 RBI.... hmmmm

[NJReds]

It'd be nice if Dunn hit homeruns when it really mattered...wait...uh, nevermind.

[red-in-la]

My very favorite movie, of all time. :thumbup:

I love when Wallace speaks to his wife (well, his girlfriend at that point), in Gaelic....and Latin....and then in French.


I like it when the Queen's counselor calls Wallace a lying barbarian in Latin and Wallace answers in Latin....I never lie, but I am a barbarian.

[Falls City Beer]

.273 23 HR 54 RBI.... hmmmm

Nudging up around MVP-ish numbers. Don't look now.

[Matt700wlw]

.273 23 HR 54 RBI.... hmmmm

All-star?

Derby?


Have to consider it

[jesusfan]

Dunn/Hamilton/Bruce.... mmmm use Griffey/Milton money for some pen help and another starter....

[Always Red]

I like it when the Queen's counselor calls Wallace a lying barbarian in Latin and Wallace answers in Latin....I never lie, but I am a barbarian.

Yep, that's good, too. :beerme:

Smart, righteous, and violent (all for a good cause, of course. Against the Bloody Anglish, you see...).

William Wallace has the whole package. :)

[red-in-la]

I think what frustrates fans about Dunn is the taken strikes right now the middle when nothing more than a fly ball of a weak line drive would garner the winning or tying run.

[flyer85]

Any reason that Dunn shouldn't be an all-star?

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle is an idiot. An absolute fool.

[CTA513]

More good Reds pitching.

[jesusfan]

wow...

[jesusfan]

Any reason that Dunn shouldn't be an all-star?

not that I can think of, expect for Soriano, Griffey, Holliday, Bonds, Beltran, and Carlos Lee....

[MrCinatit]

Any reason that Dunn shouldn't be an all-star?

Tony LaRussa wants Jim Edmonds there instead.

[edabbs44]

Breaking news: Adam Dunn is good. If/when Krivsky trades him, the Reds had better get a HUGE return.

I agree...he better make it worth it.

But don't think that GMs don't notice that the only difference between the first halves in '06 and '07 is that he is hitting for a higher average. Power is the same.

[Falls City Beer]

More good Reds pitching.

Hey, the starting pitching needs to catch up to the relief.

[vaticanplum]

Hey, this Dunn kid, I've got a feeling about him. He may do ok for himself.

[pedro]

Belisle is an idiot. An absolute fool.

what'd he do?(besides give up a HR?)

generally I wouldn't call a guy an idiot b/c he gave up a HR to one of the best players in baseball.

[jesusfan]

Eaton is pitching, so lets just get the lead right back...

[edabbs44]

Belisle is an idiot. An absolute fool.

Strong words. Maybe Belisle isn't that good. He's serviceable.

[Falls City Beer]

Eaton is pitching, so lets just get the lead right back...

Yeah, and the Reds have Belisle. Tomato, tomahto.

[jesusfan]

what'd he do?(besides give up a HR?)

generally I wouldn't call a guy an idiot b/c he gave up a HR to one of the best players in baseball.

well... you generally don't throw the ball in the exact spot as you did in the first Utley At-Bat where he jacked one also...

[red-in-la]

Dunn/Hamilton/Bruce.... mmmm use Griffey/Milton money for some pen help and another starter....

I think you have the start of a plan there.:fineprint:redbbcap:

[WVRedsFan]

Dunn/Hamilton/Bruce.... mmmm use Griffey/Milton money for some pen help and another starter....

You'll never get that much for Griffey and Milton's already gone.

Go out and spend real money for real players. Of course everyone gripes about what we pay Dunn, Griffey, and even Arroyo now, so that's out of the question. :mooner::mooner:

[Falls City Beer]

I think you have the start of a plan there.:fineprint:redbbcap:

That money will "go to raises." Just you wait and see.

[pedro]

well... you generally don't throw the ball in the exact spot as you did in the first Utley At-Bat where he jacked one also...

well, I didn't see it but I'd tend to think it might be more lack of talent than lack of brains. Either way, I'm not sure I'd go so far as to call someone and idiot and a fool.

[Aronchis]

The Phillies park is just as bad as GAB in giving up cheap homers. Half of those hit tonight would have been caught in most other parks.

The key is not putting runners on, but it does leave the pitcher at a disadvantage.

[jesusfan]

I think you have the start of a plan there.:fineprint:redbbcap:

Definitely... give me this line-up every night...

1. Hamilton CF
2. Phillips 2nd
3. Bruce RF
4. Dunn LF
5. Edwin 3rd
6. Votto 1st
7. Gonzo SS
8. Ross C
9. Harang/Bailey/Arroyo/ ?/ ?

[flyer85]

not that I can think of, expect for Soriano, Griffey, Holliday, Bonds, Beltran, and Carlos Lee....Holiday is the #1 LF but I would put Dunn ahead of other LFs - Soriano, Bonds and Lee.

And Beltran is not even in the discussion.

[Matt700wlw]

That was a home run.....

This stadium needs a yellow line...that call is bad.

[flyer85]

what'd he do?(besides give up a HR?)

generally I wouldn't call a guy an idiot b/c he gave up a HR to one of the best players in baseball.and that isn't chopped liver batting behind utley(even if he has Ked 9 times in the series.)

[Matt700wlw]

what'd he do?(besides give up a HR?)

generally I wouldn't call a guy an idiot b/c he gave up a HR to one of the best players in baseball.

Same exact pitch, in the exact same location, in the exact same situation, to the exact same guy....and the exact same thing happened.

If you see the replays, you'll think it's the same one.

Can't do that to a guy like Utley, and he should know that. If he doesn't know that, the coaches should.

[jesusfan]

You'll never get that much for Griffey and Milton's already gone.

Go out and spend real money for real players. Of course everyone gripes about what we pay Dunn, Griffey, and even Arroyo now, so that's out of the question. :mooner::mooner:

what??? I said use their money... the money that they are being paid when it goes off the books man... lol

[flyer85]

That was a home run.....

This stadium needs a yellow line...that call is bad.why does that only seem to happen to the Reds?

[jesusfan]

this is where it hurts to have Moeller in your line-up... he may surprise me though..

[jesusfan]

nice Moeller...

[jesusfan]

nice fundamentals Belisle..

[Matt700wlw]

bad bunt...popped up...

These lack of fundamentals is the exact thing Narron preaches against....but preachin' only gets you so far.

[MrCinatit]

Very nice hit by the hat - and very good baserunning by Josh.

[flyer85]

good wheels by Hamilton

[Matt700wlw]

Josh can move!

[jesusfan]

I will be really sad to see Hatte go... Really sad...

[Patrick Bateman]

Yeah, and the Reds have Belisle. Tomato, tomahto.

Of course Eaton is making about $8M more per season.

(insert Milton joke here).

[edabbs44]

I will be really sad to see Hatte go... Really sad...

Seriously?

[Falls City Beer]

good wheels by Hamilton

It's why he should lead off. He's got the OB down--plus the wheels.

[PuffyPig]

Seriously?


There's lots to like about Hatteberg.

I like the fack that other hitters experience his approach to hitting on a daily basis.

[MrCinatit]

From the looks and sounds of it, a storm is a brewing.

[jesusfan]

Seriously?

of course, I love his approach...

[Reds Fanatic]

Very dark at the park. Probably minutes from a rain delay.

[Always Red]

Belisle is an idiot. An absolute fool.

rough crowd!

Sometimes it's tough for anyone not named Greg Maddux to put the ball exactly where he wants it to go.

Not very good? sure.

Idiot? I don't think so.

[edabbs44]

There's lots to like about Hatteberg.

I like the fack that other hitters experience his approach to hitting on a daily basis.

Now that I've been on the board for multiple years, it amazes me how short some of the memories are here.

Hatte 2007: .286/.376/.450
Hatte first half 2006: .309/.411/.486

Hatte 2nd half 2006: .268/.363/.380

Hatte Aug 2006: .240/.336/.375
Hatte Sept/Oct 2006: .206/.349/.235 (not a typo)

1st half last season, Hatteberg was the flavor of the month(s). Go check some of the threads from September. This guy was destroyed by most on here.

[Matt700wlw]

rough crowd!

Sometimes it's tough for anyone not named Greg Maddux to put the ball exactly where he wants it to go.

Not very good? sure.

Idiot? I don't think so.

Maybe I was a bit harsh....I'm just frustrated....and getting moreso with each passing day...

Sucks, really :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Utley almost hits another one. Flying out to deep left.

[Always Red]

Maybe I was a bit harsh....I'm just frustrated....and getting moreso with each passing day...

Sucks, really :(

I understand, Matt. :D

[jesusfan]

Now that I've been on the board for multiple years, it amazes me how short some of the memories are here.

Hatte 2007: .286/.376/.450
Hatte first half 2006: .309/.411/.486

Hatte 2nd half 2006: .268/.363/.380

Hatte Aug 2006: .240/.336/.375
Hatte Sept/Oct 2006: .206/.349/.235 (not a typo)

1st half last season, Hatteberg was the flavor of the month(s). Go check some of the threads from September. This guy was destroyed by most on here.

I have always liked Hatteberg, not necessarily as a 1-5 hitter, or your everday 1st basemen, but a very good guy to have who can start some and PH some, a nice player to have...

[Puffy]

Alex Gonzalez walked for the first time in 105+ at bats and no one mentioned it??

And you guys call this a game thread.....

[MrCinatit]

Moeller with a bean ball :laugh:
In throwing a ball back to Belisle, he hits the batter in the helmet - fortunately, the batters do not advance.
Watch a Reds game, and you will see something you have not seen eventually.

[guttle11]

That was, um, odd.

[CrackerJack]

Why is Chad Moeller a professional baseball player again? Is he someone's nephew?

[Reds Fanatic]

There goes the lead. 2 run double makes it 6-5 Phillies.

[jesusfan]

Why is Chad Moeller a professional baseball player again? Is he someone's nephew?

Yeah, he and Castro are in someway related to Krivsky...

[CTA513]

Some more of that good Reds pitching that keeps giving up leads.

[PuffyPig]

Now that I've been on the board for multiple years, it amazes me how short some of the memories are here.

Hatte 2007: .286/.376/.450
Hatte first half 2006: .309/.411/.486

Hatte 2nd half 2006: .268/.363/.380

Hatte Aug 2006: .240/.336/.375
Hatte Sept/Oct 2006: .206/.349/.235 (not a typo)

1st half last season, Hatteberg was the flavor of the month(s). Go check some of the threads from September. This guy was destroyed by most on here.

Hatteberg has provided us with an .825 OPS for about $1.5M per season.

If every player on our team provided equal value, we'd be in great shape.

Dose he hit all the time? Does he fall into slumps?

On average, he gives great value.

And that's the name of the game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Belisle now with a 7.05 ERA for June.

[KronoRed]

Belisle now with a 7.05 ERA for June.

He's just fitting in with Lohse and Arroyo

[Reds Fanatic]

A lot of rain headed toward Philly.

http://image.weather.com/web/radar/us_har_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

[edabbs44]

Hatteberg has provided us with an .825 OPS for about $1.5M per season.

If every player on our team provided equal value, we'd be in great shape.

Dose he hit all the time? Does he fall into slumps?

On average, he gives great value.

And that's the name of the game.

Great value for a team who is the worst in baseball. I am so sick of the "value" guys. How about getting a few studs in here?

[flyer85]

It is truly amazing how one team can assemble that many bad players on one bench.

[Aronchis]

At least the theory the Reds had "decent" starting pitching has gone by the wayside.

It all begins with starting pitching and the Reds inability to find much of it since 1996.

[Big Klu]

Jocelyn (or one of the other ball girls) is going to get killed out there eventually.

[Reds Fanatic]

Coffey in to pitch.

[edabbs44]

Coffey in to pitch.

Could get out of hand quickly...

[Matt700wlw]

Jocelyn (or one of the other ball girls) is going to get killed out there eventually.

Who's Joeclyn?

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey lightly jogged to the mound tonight, he did not sprint

[Big Klu]

Who's Joeclyn?

Jocelyn is the ball girl down the LF line in Philly. (At least that was the name on the back of her shirt.) She nearly got drilled by a foul line drive that would have left a two-foot exit wound.

[Big Klu]

Coffey lightly jogged to the mound tonight, he did not sprint

I prefer light jogging over sprinting.

[Matt700wlw]

Jocelyn is the ball girl down the LF line in Philly. (At least that was the name on the back of her shirt.) She nearly got drilled by a foul line drive that would have left a two-foot exit wound.

Be careful, Jocelyn

[Big Klu]

Be careful, Jocelyn

Some day, I'm afraid one of those ball girls (or senior citizens in San Francisco) is going to be seriously injured by a line drive.

[Matt700wlw]

Some day, I'm afraid one of those ball girls (or senior citizens in San Francisco) is going to be seriously injured by a line drive.

I know...it can be dangerous out there

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg gets a double as Bourn loses the ball in the lights. 2nd and 3rd.

[KronoRed]

get em in

[Big Klu]

Hopper leads off with a PH-walk, then Hatte hits an opposite-field double that the Bourn Identity loses in the lights!

[jesusfan]

Hey, another example of why I like Hatte! lol

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips ties the game with a sac. fly to center. Tie game 6-6. Wind really blowing the ball around in the outfield. Hatteberg goes to 3rd.

[Matt700wlw]

Ties do no good right now.....more runs!!!

[jesusfan]

Nice job BP...

[NJReds]

Hopper and Gonzalez walked in the same game? Someone revive Puffy.;)

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior can't get the runner in as he pops out to short.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner gets a walk

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin pops out. Tie game 6-6 mid 7th.

[jesusfan]

well... can we hold them please...

[jesusfan]

Gosling in...

[flyer85]

Howard has not had a ball in play in this entire series(TTO - 100%)

[Matt700wlw]

Chase Utley is a good ballplayer...

EE - 3rd

Phillips - SS

Utley - 2B

[Big Klu]

Gosling in...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Canada_goose_gosling_-_natures_pics.jpg/195px-Canada_goose_gosling_-_natures_pics.jpg

[jesusfan]

Chase Utley is a good ballplayer...

EE - 3rd

Phillips - SS

Utley - 2B

one can wish...

[jesusfan]

Salmon in... we have alot of animals pitching tonight...

[KronoRed]

Chase Utley is a good ballplayer...

EE - 3rd

Phillips - SS

Utley - 2B

Is our 15 million dollar shortstop on the bench?

[PuffyPig]

Chase Utley is a good ballplayer...

EE - 3rd

Phillips - SS

Utley - 2B

Why not add Pujols at first?

[Matt700wlw]

Here comes the rain....and lightning......and thunder

[Matt700wlw]

Why not add Pujols at first?

Sure, why not

[Cyclone792]

Salmon needs a double play right now, because this game's probably going to be delayed.

Oh yea, the right field ball girl is better looking than the left field ball girl, IMO.

[KronoRed]

Why not add Pujols at first?

Ryan Howard on the bench.

[KronoRed]

Always raining in Philly

[Cyclone792]

Or a strikeout and a ground out works too, though that took awhile. Luckily the rain has held off for a bit.

[CTA513]

Salmon gets Bourn to ground out to end the inning.

[NJReds]

Nice job by Salmon.

[Matt700wlw]

Salmon needs a double play right now, because this game's probably going to be delayed.

Oh yea, the right field ball girl is better looking than the left field ball girl, IMO.

Brown hair?

[Matt700wlw]

Gonzo!

:jump:

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez homers to left! 7-6 Reds.

[jesusfan]

HR!!!

[jojo]

Why not add Pujols at first?

I'd lobby pretty hard for Mauer at catcher.

[Matt700wlw]

I'd lobby pretty hard for Mauer at catcher.

Him too!

[jesusfan]

That was kinda big... lol I guess Weathers will come in for another 2 inning Narron job saver....

[37red]

You know we have a pretty entertaining team either way it goes. I loved that throw to the helmet, and I love making a come back...., just hold on.

[redsrule2500]

ok call the game. have mother nature get the save :)

[redsrule2500]

They have to call this game....look at the rain!!! :O

[Matt700wlw]

Pat Burrell not a popular man in Philly....of course, this is the same town that booed Santa Clause

[NJReds]

Gonzalez homers to left! 7-6 Reds.

I was rooting for him to walk...oh well. Let it rain!

[redsrule2500]

C'mon rain more!!!!!!

[Reds Fanatic]

This team can never hold a lead more than a few minutes. Tie game 7-7.

[redsrule2500]

crappppppppppppppp i hate the reds and i hate george grande....he sounds so freaking happy. go shut up u happy nutjob

[Matt700wlw]

Awesome.

:bang:

[jesusfan]

great!

[redsrule2500]

Half of this teams problem is psychological.

[CTA513]

No chance to get the runner at home after Hatteberg bobbled the ball.

[KronoRed]

Just win a series..please

[edabbs44]

I'm pretty sure McBeth started that inning. I guess maybe Narron should have had someone else start the inning?

McBeth is as good as the rest of them. Not very.

[37red]

Ohhh, I'm just amazed, and I'm sure George Grande is too. Can anyone believe this. I love this game.

[Matt700wlw]

Utley, Howard, Rowand due in the bottom of the 9th...




Who be pitchin'?

[jesusfan]

I just hope its not another 15 inning game like last year in Philly...

[Matt700wlw]

I just hope its not another 15 inning game like last year in Philly...

Some bad memories and long nights in Philly in recent years...

[KronoRed]

I just hope its not another 15 inning game like last year in Philly...

Why not? It's Thursday, nothing else to do :D

[KronoRed]

I loath trusting the bullpen to do anything of good.

[Raisor]

Slade's "Run Run Away" should be the 2007 Reds' slogan

[jesusfan]

My guess is Couter bob...

[Matt700wlw]

Coutlanges

[Cyclone792]

I just hope its not another 15 inning game like last year in Philly...

You mean the game last year when Narron brought in Elizardo Ramirez to pitch in the bottom of the 13th, Ramirez put guys on first and second with nobody out only to see Narron intentionally walk Ryan Howard to load the bases with nobody out, then only to see the Reds lose the game?

And let's not forget, Narron then sent out Ramirez to start the very next day.

That August series last season in Philadelphia was the epitome of a Jerry Narron managerial disaster.

[flyer85]

this may not take long

[jesusfan]

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say he will walk someone this inning....

[37red]

Oh I can't take this. Narron, whom I don't want to bash, is just not in the game. I know he likes the game and knows a lot about ball, but where is his.... I don't know what to say. He's got nothing to work with in the pen or under his hat.

[CTA513]

Howard K's for the 10th time this series.

[flyer85]

Howard still TTO for the series

[jesusfan]

Couter bob!

[Matt700wlw]

Come on, Josh

[PuffyPig]

That August series last season in Philadelphia was the epitome of a Jerry Narron managerial disaster.

Is that the series we won 2 out of 3?

[Matt700wlw]

Phillies have a double-decker tomorrow afternoon/night

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilton at 2nd for Gonzo

[jesusfan]

Hambone is the man!

[Matt700wlw]

Javy for Moeller....

[CTA513]

Gonzalez walks for the second time tonight.

:eek:

[Cyclone792]

Is that the series we won 2 out of 3?

Yea, thanks to 21 runs supplied by the offense. Narron's managing also helped send Elizardo Ramirez to the disabled list for the rest of the season.

[Matt700wlw]

Santos in

[Big Klu]

I would make the double switch here, with Ross catching and batting 9th, and Santos batting 8th.

[Matt700wlw]

Woah..hello

:eek:

Rain is good for something!! :thumbup:

[CTA513]

Craig Biggio just got his 3,000th hit.

[jesusfan]

Santos.. game

[edabbs44]

I would make the double switch here, with Ross catching and batting 9th, and Santos batting 8th.

I have a feeling it won't make a difference.

[jojo]

Is it safe to say that the Phillies pen isn't a strength? Tie game, ninth inning, high leverage situation....none of those things scream Condrey to me....

[Big Klu]

Woah..hello

:eek:

She looked healthy.

[Highlifeman21]

Yea, thanks to 21 runs supplied by the offense. Narron's managing also helped send Elizardo Ramirez to the disabled list for the rest of the season.

The 2006 Reds won in spite of Jerry Narron.

The 2007 Reds are still winning in spite of Jerry Narron. Other managers would have more wins with this ballclub, but that's another topic for another thread.

I only hope Narron doesn't do career-threatening harm to Harang, Arroyo and Bailey.

[Matt700wlw]

She looked healthy.

Uh huh!

[KronoRed]

Craig Biggio just got his 3,000th hit.

I'd cheer but he's one of those armor wearers, yuck.

[Big Klu]

Is it safe to say that the Phillies pen isn't a strength? Tie game, ninth inning, high leverage situation....none of those things scream Condrey to me....

All indications are that it is as bad as ours.

[CTA513]

Santos walks the first batter he faces.

[edabbs44]

Santos walks the first batter he faces.

Seems like only yesterday when he was Krivsky's latest discovery.

[Cyclone792]

Narron's already burned through his pen, and it's only the bottom of the 10th inning. Weathers is the only guy remaining down there, and he threw two innings and 28 pitches last night. I'm sure he's good for one inning, and I suppose he could go two innings ... but Narron's down to Santos and Weathers.

If this game goes much further, we could be seeing Bronson Arroyo pitching tonight and then starting again tomorrow night. Narron's done it once with a starting pitcher, and he's liable to do it again.

[Big Klu]

Narron's already burned through his pen, and it's only the bottom of the 10th inning. Weathers is the only guy remaining down there, and he threw two innings and 28 pitches last night. I'm sure he's good for one inning, and I suppose he could go two innings ... but Narron's down to Santos and Weathers.

If this game goes much further, we could be seeing Bronson Arroyo pitching tonight and then starting again tomorrow night. Narron's done it once with a starting pitcher, and he's liable to do it again.

Nah. Homer only pitched a couple of innings a couple of days ago.

Actually, Lohse would likely be available if necessary.

[Cyclone792]

Nah. Homer only pitched a couple of innings a couple of days ago.

I'd rather lose the game tonight than watch Narron experiment with the idea of sending the organization's best pitching prospect we've had in decades out to pitch in tonight's game.

[Team Clark]

Thanks Adam... that hit belongs to you.

[KronoRed]

I'd rather lose the game tonight than watch Narron experiment with the idea of sending the organization's best pitching prospect we've had in decades out to pitch in tonight's game.

Lizard part 2? :help:

[Big Klu]

Thanks Adam... that hit belongs to you.

I thought I was the only one who thought he should have gotten that foul ball.

[vaticanplum]

I'd rather lose the game tonight than watch Narron experiment with the idea of sending the organization's best pitching prospect we've had in decades out to pitch in tonight's game.

Didn't Narron try bullpen-by-smorgasboard in extra innings last year in Philly, and it backfired with pizzazz?

(I'm just joining, sorry if this has been mentioned.)

[Team Clark]

I thought I was the only one who thought he should have gotten that foul ball.

I mean c'mon. Just hustle once so I can buy into your other faults...:laugh: At least Griff has an excuse he really is old and slow.

[Big Klu]

Lizard part 2? :help:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8e/Leonard_Part_6_DVD_cover.jpg/200px-Leonard_Part_6_DVD_cover.jpg

[KronoRed]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8e/Leonard_Part_6_DVD_cover.jpg/200px-Leonard_Part_6_DVD_cover.jpg

Solid film

[Big Klu]

0-6 in the Reds' last six rubber games.

[wally post]

I'm not watching the game, but if Team Clark is frustrated with Dunn's hustle... well, then I think we maybe really do have a problem here. That is one thing fans don't want to see

[Team Clark]

WOW!!! Santos scored on 5 of 6 games. Dunn loafs and gives a hitter a second chance. It's no wonder i skipped most of the games I have on TiVo.

[guttle11]

Dang, I was hoping the rain was the missing link to this team. Guess it really is the pitching.

[Team Clark]

I'm not watching the game, but if Team Clark is frustrated with Dunn's hustle... well, then I think we maybe really do have a problem here. That is one thing fans don't want to see

LOL!! :bang: I am buying into the frustration. Y'know...it's not EARLY anymore..

[Falls City Beer]

WOW!!! Santos scored on 5 of 6 games. Dunn loafs and gives a hitter a second chance. It's no wonder i skipped most of the games I have on TiVo.

Dunn loafs. What a bunch of horsecrap.

[CTA513]

I'm not watching the game, but if Team Clark is frustrated with Dunn's hustle... well, then I think we maybe really do have a problem here. That is one thing fans don't want to see

Dunn isn't the only one on this team that doesn't hustle all the time.

[wally post]

we need General Patton to manage

[Falls City Beer]

Dunn isn't the only one on this team that doesn't hustle all the time.

But it's the same target all the time. Why?

[vaticanplum]

When was the last time the Reds won a series? Was it Cleveland?

[edabbs44]

Dunn isn't the only one on this team that doesn't hustle all the time.

Doesn't make it right.

[flyer85]

Dang, I was hoping the rain was the missing link to this team. Guess it really is the pitching.missing link is management from top to bottom that isn't clueless

[CTA513]

Doesn't make it right.

Never said it did.

[vaticanplum]

Without fail, the second the team starts to fall apart, Dunn is the target. Zero exception. I am so tired of it, honestly.

[Matt700wlw]

It was inevitable

[flyer85]

Amazing on the red herrings that get latched onto around here.

[guttle11]

missing link is management from top to bottom that isn't clueless

I wish I was good with photoshop because I'd make Krivsky the Lion, Narron the scarecrow, and Castellini the Tin Man. Bronson would be Dorothy and Freel would be Toto. LaRussa would be the Wizard.

"If we only had a 'Pen"...

That would be good times.

[edabbs44]

Without fail, the second the team starts to fall apart, Dunn is the target. Zero exception. I am so tired of it, honestly.

The team fell apart months ago.

[vaticanplum]

The team fell apart months ago.

I mean per game.

[Team Clark]

But it's the same target all the time. Why?

Probably because he does it often enough when it does some damage. I have called out others including Junior in the past. Tonight, even Dunn can't deflect this with some good ol' Texas humor.

Last year at this time Dunn was getting the come to jesus talk and he had a great July until he got tired down the stretch. I'm all for the come to jesus talk again. Maybe he needs another friend traded away...

[KronoRed]

we need General Patton to manage

Only if he brings a bullpen and 3 starters

[flyer85]

The team fell apart months ago.... like from last July onward. Don't even talk about the off-season.

[edabbs44]

... like from last July onward. Don't even talk about the off-season.

Agreed...technically I couldn't use "over a year". So I used "months", as in 11 months or so. ;)

[guttle11]

Welsh says the Reds are 4-19-1 in the rubber game of a series.

Am I missing something or...?

[Team Clark]

Every player on this team plays a part. Dunn doesn't pitch. He does hit in spots and does a good job getting on base. You have to play ALL parts of the game. You can't pick and choose when you want to play hard. EE has been a target for that very reason. Seems like his trip to AAA may have solved that problem. I've seen Phillips have lapses this year. Not good. I've watched several pitchers just not use their head at all on the mound. I just wonder what is going on that these guys lose focus so much. Doesn't that bother anybody else?

[Team Clark]

... like from last July onward. Don't even talk about the off-season.

That is a fact. Nail on the head! :thumbup:

[flyer85]

Probably because he does it often enough when it does some damage. I have called out others including Junior in the past. Tonight, even Dunn can't deflect this with some good ol' Texas humor.
please ... this team sucks for a lot of reasons ... and Dunn and Jr aren't among them, neither are EE and Josh Hamilton

A big problem is all these guys that "play the game the right way" that are devoid of talent and aren't worth a crap.

[Big Klu]

Welsh says the Reds are 4-19-1 in the rubber game of a series.

Am I missing something or...?

I don't remember the tie.

[traderumor]

Dunn was not loafing if we are referring to the foul pop fly. It was rather obvious that he was having trouble getting good footing and it looked to me like he was busting it best he could under the conditions, which I know is hard to imagine with mudpuddles in front of home plate and third base.

[Falls City Beer]

Probably because he does it often enough when it does some damage. I have called out others including Junior in the past. Tonight, even Dunn can't deflect this with some good ol' Texas humor.

Last year at this time Dunn was getting the come to jesus talk and he had a great July until he got tired down the stretch. I'm all for the come to jesus talk again. Maybe he needs another friend traded away...

It's not sexy to dissect the worst pitching staff in the majors--just Dunn. I get it. I get it just fine.

[Team Clark]

please ... this team sucks for a lot of reasons ... and Dunn and Jr aren't among them, neither are EE and Josh Hamilton

A big problem is all these guys that "play the game the right way" that are devoid of talent and aren't worth a crap.

Hey I agree with you on all those points. Not sure if you read my follow up post but I agree with that 100%.