mbgrayson
06-30-2007, 10:00 PM
Did some quick calculations using numbers from Fangraphs, like this page (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=319&position=OF)on Adam Dunn. I took total pitches seen and divided it by plate appearances.
2007 Reds pitches seen per plate appearance(PPA):
1. David Ross 4.23
2. Adam Dunn 4.14
3. Ken Griffey Jr. 4.03
4. Ryan Freel 4.00
5. Scott Hatteberg 3.91
6. EE 3.83
7. Josh Hamilton 3.75
8. Chad Moeller 3.72
9. Alex Gonzalez 3.60
10. Brandon Phillips 3.54
11. Juan Castro 3.44
12. Javier Valentin 3.42
Your current MLB leader (http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=batting&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=pPerPa&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=All&team_filter%5B%5D=All&pos_filter%5B%5D=All&Submit=Submit)is: Reggie Willits 4.4
"That said, the players in the bottom 20% of P/PA have an average on-base plus slugging (OPS) of 719 while those in the top 20% have an OPS of 797. Since OPS correlates very well with run production, it is therefore a good proxy, and because going deep into counts forces opposing pitchers to throw more pitches and tire sooner, it's safe to say that on average, players who see more pitches end up contributing more to their teams."
Articles on PPA:
1. Hardball Times (http://www.redszone.com/forums/"That said, the players in the bottom 20% of P/PA have an average on-base plus slugging (OPS) of 719 while those in the top 20% have an OPS of 797. Since OPS correlates very well with run production, it is therefore a good proxy, and because going deep into counts forces opposing pitchers to throw more pitches and tire sooner, it's safe to say that on average, players who see more pitches end up contributing more to their teams.")
2. Baseball Prospectus: Lengthening Pitch Counts (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4956)
3. Stats from Hardball Times (http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=batting&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=pPerPa&direction=DESC&qual_filter=ignore&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=2&team_filter%5B%5D=CIN&pos_filter%5B%5D=All&Submit=Submit)
I think there has been a noticeable drop in patience this year for the Reds. This allows the other team to have their starter go an extra inning or two, cuts down on walks, OBP, runs, and wins.
Certainly the bullpen, pitching in general, and poor hitting w/ RISP are part of the Reds decline this year....but lack of plate discipline is another factor.
2007 Reds pitches seen per plate appearance(PPA):
1. David Ross 4.23
2. Adam Dunn 4.14
3. Ken Griffey Jr. 4.03
4. Ryan Freel 4.00
5. Scott Hatteberg 3.91
6. EE 3.83
7. Josh Hamilton 3.75
8. Chad Moeller 3.72
9. Alex Gonzalez 3.60
10. Brandon Phillips 3.54
11. Juan Castro 3.44
12. Javier Valentin 3.42
Your current MLB leader (http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=batting&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=pPerPa&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=All&team_filter%5B%5D=All&pos_filter%5B%5D=All&Submit=Submit)is: Reggie Willits 4.4
"That said, the players in the bottom 20% of P/PA have an average on-base plus slugging (OPS) of 719 while those in the top 20% have an OPS of 797. Since OPS correlates very well with run production, it is therefore a good proxy, and because going deep into counts forces opposing pitchers to throw more pitches and tire sooner, it's safe to say that on average, players who see more pitches end up contributing more to their teams."
Articles on PPA:
1. Hardball Times (http://www.redszone.com/forums/"That said, the players in the bottom 20% of P/PA have an average on-base plus slugging (OPS) of 719 while those in the top 20% have an OPS of 797. Since OPS correlates very well with run production, it is therefore a good proxy, and because going deep into counts forces opposing pitchers to throw more pitches and tire sooner, it's safe to say that on average, players who see more pitches end up contributing more to their teams.")
2. Baseball Prospectus: Lengthening Pitch Counts (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4956)
3. Stats from Hardball Times (http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=batting&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=pPerPa&direction=DESC&qual_filter=ignore&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=2&team_filter%5B%5D=CIN&pos_filter%5B%5D=All&Submit=Submit)
I think there has been a noticeable drop in patience this year for the Reds. This allows the other team to have their starter go an extra inning or two, cuts down on walks, OBP, runs, and wins.
Certainly the bullpen, pitching in general, and poor hitting w/ RISP are part of the Reds decline this year....but lack of plate discipline is another factor.