7/3/2007 Reds vs Giants

[BRM]

Lineups per John Fay's blog.

REDS
Freel, cf
Phillips, 2b
Griffey Jr., rf
Conine, 1b
Dunn, lf
Encarnacion, 3b
Gonzalez, ss
Ross, c
Harang, rhp

GIANTS
Roberts, cf
Winn, rf
Durham, 2b
Bonds, lf
Klesko, 1b
Molina, c
Feliz, 3b
Vizquel, ss
Zito, lhp

[CTA513]

I hope Freel can do better against lefties than what he was doing before he went on the DL.

[Patrick Bateman]

Unless he's injured, Hamilton should be playing basically every day regardless of who is pitching. Considering we just had an off day, there is really no excuse here.

And Conine continues to bat clean-up against lefties. I'm sick of complaining about these line-ups, but the same problems keep coming back. It's only one day, but the same philosophy is still there.

[BRM]

Maybe the new guy is going to make changes slowly? Pete may not want to come in and immediately start changing things.

[flyer85]

Maybe the new guy is going to make changes slowly? Pete may not want to come in and immediately start changing things.baby steps.

I heard he is a fan of the "99 Step Plan to go from Losers to Winners". :D

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe Narron's lineups were already done, printed, and posted....

[BRM]

Pete says he plans to use Freel everyday and at all positions according to C. Trent.

[Matt700wlw]

Freel's PT should not come at the expense of Josh Hamilton, except for when he needs a day off for whatever reason.....I'm not sure who's it should, but Josh's it shouldn't.

[dabvu2498]

And Conine continues to bat clean-up against lefties.

Perhaps because his OPS this season vs. LHP is .781. That's good for 3rd amongst Reds "regulars" vs. LHP. That's not good.

[WVRedsFan]

Maybe the new guy is going to make changes slowly? Pete may not want to come in and immediately start changing things.

I imagine with the time available, he just penciled in what Jerry did and went with it to get a feel for this club.

at least I hope.

[Patrick Bateman]

Perhaps because his OPS this season vs. LHP is .781. That's good for 3rd amongst Reds "regulars" vs. LHP. That's not good.

I'm going to play the small sample size card.

[membengal]

Freel's PT should not come at the expense of Josh Hamilton, except for when he needs a day off for whatever reason.....I'm not sure who's it should, but Josh's it shouldn't.


This is 100% correct. In every respect.

[Kc61]

Freel's PT should not come at the expense of Josh Hamilton, except for when he needs a day off for whatever reason.....I'm not sure who's it should, but Josh's it shouldn't.

Once Dunn is traded, Hammy will play every day. They don't want three lefty outfielders against Zito. Can't sit Griffey v. Bonds. Dunn doesn't sit against lefties either.

Guess he could have sat EE for Freel tonight, which would have resulted in 250 complaints around here.

[Matt700wlw]

Once Dunn is traded, Hammy will play every day. They don't want three lefty outfielders against Zito. Can't sit Griffey v. Bonds. Dunn doesn't sit against lefties either.

Guess he could have sat EE for Freel tonight, which would have resulted in 250 complaints around here.

Too many bodies I guess, and only 8 slots....

[Reds Fanatic]

Interesting note on John Fay's blog about tonight's game.



Rob Butcher was kind enough to pass this along. It's courtesy of the Elias Sports Bureau...

Tonight’s game between the Reds and Giants will feature 2 players with a total of 1,335 home runs (Bonds 750, Griffey 585).

It is the highest home run total between 2 players entering a game since Cleveland played at Milwaukee on 8/1/76 and featured 1,341 homers between Frank Robinson (586) and Hank Aaron (755).

The game with the most homers between 2 players occurred on 7/17/73, when the Mets played at Atlanta. Willie Mays entered that game with 658 homers and Hank Aaron had 697 for a total of 1,355. Aaron homered in that game to bring the total to 1,356.

[BRM]

Too bad Freel can't play SS or C.

[Reds Fanatic]

I just hate that Conine continues to bat cleanup. He has very bad numbers batting cleanup. This may not come out looking good since I am posting from work but Conine's OBP batting 4th is .296.



Category G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG TB SF SH HBP IBB GDP
Lineup Slot 4 23 87 9 21 3 0 3 14 8 12 3 0 .296 .379 .241 33 3 1 0 0 2
Lineup Slot 5 5 22 2 6 2 0 0 2 0 3 0 0 .273 .364 .273 8 0 0 0 0 1
Lineup Slot 6 7 21 3 7 2 1 1 3 2 3 0 0 .391 .667 .333 14 0 0 0 0 0
Lineup Slot 7 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000 1.000 1.000 1 0 0 0 0 0
Lineup Slot 8 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 .000 .000 .000 0 0 0 0 0 0
Lineup Slot 9 14 12 2 5 0 0 0 4 2 1 0 0 .500 .417 .417 5 0 0 0 0 0

[OnBaseMachine]

Pete says he plans to use Freel everyday and at all positions according to C. Trent.

I already dislike Pete Machanin. Josh Hamilton is the future, Ryan Freel isn't.

[pedro]

It's entirely possible that Freel in on the trading block along with everyone else.

If so it makes sense to 1) get him some playing time to prove he's healthy and 2) to blow sunshine up his skirt like he's an everyday player that can play numerous positions.

Doing anything else just devalues another reds commodity.

Personally I'll wait until after Freel steals a bunch of Hamilton's playing time before complaining about it although I know that just isn't the style around here.

[edabbs44]

Josh Hamilton has been not so good vs LHP this season. It's no travesty that he isn't in the lineup.

He'll be in the lineup everyday after the deadline...but, as others have said, it's time to show the rest of the league what Cincy has to offer.

[jojo]

Unless he's injured, Hamilton should be playing basically every day regardless of who is pitching. Considering we just had an off day, there is really no excuse here.

And Conine continues to bat clean-up against lefties. I'm sick of complaining about these line-ups, but the same problems keep coming back. It's only one day, but the same philosophy is still there.

Absolutely. I'd figure out a way to get him to bat twice in the lineup against lefties.

[jojo]

I already dislike Pete Machanin. Josh Hamilton is the future, Ryan Freel isn't.

In his presser today,he spoke at length about intuition and common sense while alluding to the Cubs of twenty years ago, Billy Martin and Dick Williams. I think Krivsky had to take a trip in a time machine to interview him....

[jojo]

Josh Hamilton has been not so good vs LHP this season. It's no travesty that he isn't in the lineup.

He'll be in the lineup everyday after the deadline...but, as others have said, it's time to show the rest of the league what Cincy has to offer.

To me you don't showcase Freel by maximizing his playing time.

[pedro]

To me you don't showcase Freel by maximizing his playing time.

Well you sure as hell don't showcase him by not playing him after he's been injured.

Frankly, I'm just disgusted by the level of complaining about every single thing the Reds do. To me it's no different than all the people focusing on productive outs or BA w/ RISP.

[KronoRed]

Looks like the same lineups we've been seeing lately.

Ho hum.

[PuffyPig]

Looks like the same lineups we've been seeing lately.

Ho hum.

And those same lineups met with more approval than those earlier on.

[jojo]

Well you sure as hell don't showcase him by not playing him after he's been injured.

Frankly, I'm just disgusted by the level of complaining about every single thing the Reds do. To me it's no different than all the people focusing on productive outs or BA w/ RISP.

I can see the *showcase* angle but don't really agree with it. One game here or there isn't going to impact Freel's trade value. The whole league knows his skill set.

Lefties on the other hand aren't as prevalent as righties. Lefties like Zito are even rarer. Sitting Hamilton tonight is a rather significant opportunity lost concerning his education.

I'm not sure how that's complaining.

[flyer85]

I'm :shocked: that some expected substantive changes.

[Matt700wlw]

Trent:

the team is taking infield and outfiel right now. I asked Pete if this would be an everyday thing, he said no, that he just wanted to see the team firsthand

[edabbs44]

Looks like the same lineups we've been seeing lately.

Ho hum.

****CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT****

Maybe they weren't Jerry's lineups...

[KronoRed]

And those same lineups met with more approval than those earlier on.

It's not a bad one, I still don't like Phillips and Conine that high though

[KronoRed]

****CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT****

Maybe they weren't Jerry's lineups...

I remember we thought the same when Narron and Miley's lineups were near identical

[jojo]

I'm just glad that it's not me having to fill out that lineup card every night. Lordy.... there's way too many ways to step in it and not nearly enough wet wipes....

[blumj]

Once Dunn is traded, Hammy will play every day. They don't want three lefty outfielders against Zito.
Well, they should want as many lefties as possible against Zito, since lefties hit him better than righties.

[edabbs44]

Well, they should want as many lefties as possible against Zito, since lefties hit him better than righties.

What if that lefty hitter struggles vs LHPs? Which stat trumps which?

[jojo]

What if that lefty hitter struggles vs LHPs? Which stat trumps which?

Easy, you say screw it and bat Castro.

[KronoRed]

Easy, you say screw it and bat Castro.

Brilliant

[blumj]

What if that lefty hitter struggles vs LHPs? Which stat trumps which?
Ignore the splits and play the better player.

[jojo]

Ignore the splits and play the better player.

That works too.

[Always Red]

Easy, you say screw it and bat Castro.

BUT, only because Moeller's not here anymore ;)

[Matt700wlw]

They still look like the Reds...

[Razor Shines]

Harang has a nice live fastball tonight. Do small in game things like that matter any more?

[Matt700wlw]

Here come the booooooooooooooos

[Matt700wlw]

There it goes.

751*

[Reds Fanatic]

Bonds hits homer 751. 2-0 Giants.

[redsfan30]

*

[Red in Chicago]

Well, Harang sure gave him a good pitch to hit there.

[Reds Fanatic]

That was an 0-2 pitch right down the middle of the plate.

[CTA513]

Right down the middle is not a good spot to throw it.

[Cyclone792]

That's hilarious. It seemed like the entire stadium was booing when Bonds walked to the plate, but after he hits the home run over half the stadium was standing up and clapping.

[Falls City Beer]

Well, Harang sure gave him a good pitch to hit there.

He does that.

But he's actually been better than in year's past about that, incredibly. (Milder summer weather?)

[Big Klu]

*@%#$^# 0-2 pitch! :angry:

[redsfan30]

That's hilarious. It seemed like the entire stadium was booing when Bonds walked to the plate, but after he hits the home run over half the stadium was standing up and clapping.

It's like Doc said on Sportstalk this evening, watching Bonds hit is like a guilty pleasure.

[Matt700wlw]

That's hilarious. It seemed like the entire stadium was booing when Bonds walked to the plate, but after he hits the home run over half the stadium was standing up and clapping.

Bunch of hyporcrites...they hate him because he cheats, he's a jerk, he shouldn't be breaking the record, it shouldn't count, he used steroids.....

They bought their tickets though to be a part of it - it'll be a sellout tonight because of Barry Bonds.






Harang not very efficient tonight

[Red in Chicago]

Harang with a TON of pitches already.

[edabbs44]

Right down the middle is not a good spot to throw it.

The curse of Narron.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang's pitch count already at 33 pitches.

[Kc61]

That pitch to Bonds may be the worst pitch Harang has ever thrown. Most teams give him nothing to hit on any count. Reds put it down the middle on 0-2 count. Unreal.

[Falls City Beer]

West coast offensive philosophy: YOU have to retire ME. I'M not going to retire MYSELF.

Reds could learn a thing or two.

[Reds Fanatic]

A 36 pitch 1st inning for Harang. The new manager is going to get a good luck at his horrible bullpen tonight.

[Red in Chicago]

Bunch of hyporcrites...they hate him because he cheats, he's a jerk, he shouldn't be breaking the record, it shouldn't count, he used steroids.....

They bought their tickets though to be a part of it - it'll be a sellout tonight because of Barry Bonds.






Harang not very efficient tonight

I had two tickets for tonight's game, but chose not to make the drive down.

[camisadelgolf]

That was the worst pitch I'd ever seen. I can't believe both Harang and Ross let that pitch happen.

[Matt700wlw]

Roids or not...Bonds can flat out rake

[RBA]

*@%#$^# 0-2 pitch! :angry:

I blame Jerry Dave Bob Narron-Miley-Boone.

[KronoRed]

A nice big fat fastball down the middle, hmm..could help ticket sales if Bonds gets 2 tonight and 2 tomorrow (conspiracy hat on) :devil:

[Big Klu]

Oh, and George sounded too happy on that homer! :angry:

[CTA513]

That pitch to Bonds may be the worst pitch Harang has ever thrown. Most teams give him nothing to hit on any count. Reds put it down the middle on 0-2 count. Unreal.

Harang gave Ryan Howard a pitch just like that to hit in his last start and Howard crushed it.

[Razor Shines]

Freel's healthy.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel right back to swinging at the 1st pitch. The Reds bad habits have not changed.

[CTA513]

That was the worst pitch I'd ever seen. I can't believe both Harang and Ross let that pitch happen.

Ross called for the pitch to be on the corner/outside and Harang threw it down the middle.

[Reds Fanatic]

3 pitches and 2 outs.

[RBA]

Freel's healthy.

Or Freel's healthy? Didn't look like it on that at bat. Than again, he's a mediocre player to begin with.

[KronoRed]

3 pitches and 2 outs.

"Be aggressive"

[Matt700wlw]

Now batting....the REAL deal.

:)

[RBA]

NOT GONE!

[Reds Fanatic]

36 pitches for Harang, 9 pitches for Zito to go through the Reds 1-2-3.

[Razor Shines]

Or Freel's healthy? Didn't look like it on that at bat. Than again, he's a mediocre player to begin with.

Well that's what I mean. He's back swinging at the first pitch like usual.

[Reds Fanatic]

1-2-3 inning for Harang. 2-0 Giants mid 2nd. 44 pitches through 2 for Harang.

[RBA]

Well that's what I mean. He's back swinging at the first pitch like usual.

Alrighty than. I'm glad we Reds fans can come together here and bash players why we sit on our collected bottoms. :beerme:

[Matt700wlw]

Alrighty than. I'm glad we Reds fans can come together here and bash players why we sit on our collected bottoms. :beerme:

Good thing we don't have microphones, or people may bash us for this stuff...

:)

[RBA]

Bob C. will be on later today interviewed by the unbiased Reds TV crew.

[Matt700wlw]

Bob C. will be on later today interviewed by the unbiased Reds TV crew.

How many softballs will they serve up?

[RBA]

Edwin is going to rip one out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another 1-2-3 inning for Zito. 2-0 Giants after 2.

[jojo]

It's like Doc said on Sportstalk this evening, watching Bonds hit is like a guilty pleasure.

He's the greatest hitter I've ever seen and frankly one of the best players all around.

[Matt700wlw]

Edwin is going to rip one out.

Just not in the 2nd inning...

[RBA]

Edwin is going to rip one out.


I guess I'm not cut out for a fortune teller career afterall.

[Matt700wlw]

This is a first....I know one of those guys they just showed in the stands.

[jojo]

Good thing we don't have microphones, or people may bash us for this stuff...

:)

We probably wouldn't openly fantasize about weather girls on mic though-atleast not the ones of us who are married.

[RBA]

This is a first....I know one of those guys they just showed in the stands.


Reds must be having a out reach program for bums on the street.

[VR]

http://mlb.mlb.com/index.jsp

This pic of Bonds/ Griff is great.

I'm reading Griffey's mind to be saying....

"Dude, seriously. Do you realize how big your head IS?"

[Reds Fanatic]

Roberts walks and Winn is hit by the pitch barely. 1st and 2nd with no outs.

[CTA513]

Have to let as many people on base as you can before Bonds is up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Durham pops out. 1 out. Bonds up with runners on 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

A 4 pitch walk to Bonds. Bases loaded.

[Matt700wlw]

That looked like one of those unintentional intentionals.


He can't hit a dinger while on first base.

[RBA]

Bonds walks. You know his story.

[CTA513]

Only 4 walks in 2+ innings for Harang.

[Matt700wlw]

Wayne looks thrilled....

[RBA]

Wayne looks thrilled....


More like constipated. ;)

[RBA]

Harang. Hanging tough there.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang gets out of the inning leaving the bases loaded. 2-0 Giants mid 3rd.

67 pitches for Harang through 3.

[KronoRed]

Why waste 4 pitches on a walk? BEAN HIM

[CTA513]

67 pitches for Harang after 3 innings.
It looks like the bullpen will get some work in tonight.

[CrackerJack]

Wayne looks thrilled....

looks....sleepy...

[Matt700wlw]

Why waste 4 pitches on a walk? BEAN HIM

He won't feel it

[CrackerJack]

67 pitches for Harang after 3 innings.
It looks like the bullpen will get some work in tonight.

Bonds may tie the record tonight

[VR]

Why waste 4 pitches on a walk? BEAN HIM

No NFL players had the quantity of body armor Bonds has. Not only on his arms and legs....but that extra inch of flesh around his skull make the batting helmet symbolic only.

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez reaches as no one catches an easy infield fly. Error on Molina.

[RBA]

US Army is sponsoring Phillips Mesh Shirt night. Your tax dollars at work.

[LINEDRIVER]

Gonzo may be coming out of the game??? Make a statement, Mack.

[Deepred05]

nice hustle G

[jojo]

I'm not a fan of bunting in the third inning.

[RBA]

5-4-3

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross grounds into a 5-4-3 DP.

[jojo]

Ross grounds into a 5-4-3 DP.

That would've been a good place for a K.

[KronoRed]

That would've been a good place for a K.

K's are worse then DP's

[Red in Chicago]

I realize the spelling is different, but "zitto" in Italian means "shut up" or "be quiet"...I wish George understood this;)

And now back to your regularly scheduled program...

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang with an easy 10 pitch inning in the 4th. 77 pitches through 4. 2-0 Giants mid 4th.

[LINEDRIVER]

What if the Reds get no-hit tonite by Zito?

[SandyD]

Second time thru the line-up is the charm, right?

[Matt700wlw]

What if the Reds get no-hit tonite by Zito?

It would fit the season well

[jojo]

Harang with an easy 10 pitch inning in the 4th. 77 pitches through 4. 2-0 Giants mid 4th.

It'll be interesting to see how far the new guy rides the horse tonight.

[jojo]

What if the Reds get no-hit tonite by Zito?

JINX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips walks.

[Razor Shines]

Phillips walks for the 18th time. Is that a record? He's tied with Bonds right?

[LINEDRIVER]

It would fit the season well

and give JerrNarr a good smirk tonite

[SandyD]

It's Jr's turn ...

[RBA]

Jr walks!

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior walks. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

and give JerrNarr a good smirk tonite

I wonder what Jerry's up to tonight?

It has to be a bit strange for him

[SandyD]

The river looks nice tonight

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine flies out to right. 1st and 3rd as Phillips goes to 3rd. 2 outs.

[Red in Chicago]

Conine doing the little things to get the runner to third:rolleyes:

[Matt700wlw]

The river looks nice tonight

Just don't get in it

[Reds Fanatic]

If MacKanin learns anything tonight I hope he starts to figure out that Conine should not be a cleanup hitter.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks. Bases loaded for Edwin.

[SandyD]

Just don't get in it


I'm amazed the stories I hear about people swimming in the Mississippi around here. Large rivers are dangerous.

[RBA]

Dunn with another worthless walk. ;)

[Red in Chicago]

Three walks this inning, and no one has scored

[Reds Fanatic]

3-1 count on Edwin.

[edabbs44]

If MacKanin learns anything tonight I hope he starts to figure out that Conine should not be a cleanup hitter.

3rd best OPS vs LHPs for guys with over 51 ABs versus LHPs.

[Stormy]

It'll be interesting to see how far the new guy rides the horse tonight.

Speaking of riding our pitchers, have any of reporters covering the Reds asked Krivsky why his manager and bench coach were relieved of duty, while the guys presiding over arguably the NL's worst pitching staff (Pole/Hume) have been retained? Are we changing course here, and holding people to account, or is this just the shell game and more of the same old half measures without discernable design?

[Reds Fanatic]

Edwin walks in a run. 2-1 Giants. Bases loaded for Gonzalez.

[Razor Shines]

No hitter still intact.

[edabbs44]

Three walks this inning, and no one has scored

But that's a hell of a lot of runs created. :D

Sorry, that was too easy.

[Matt700wlw]

Homer Zito all over the place

[RBA]

WOW 3-0 COUNT.

[MrCinatit]

Walks in a second run...and the no-hitter is STILL intact.

[Red in Chicago]

BP, Gonzo and EE all showing patience this inning...amazing:eek:

[Reds Fanatic]

Gonzalez walks in a run. Tie game 2-2. Bases loaded for Ross. Zito has now thrown more pitches than Harang.

[Matt700wlw]

Has there ever been a no-hitter.....and the guy who threw it lost the game?

[Reds Fanatic]

Has there ever been a no-hitter.....and the guy who threw it lost the game?At this pace he would have to throw about 170 pitches just to make it through the complete game.

[corkedbat]

Haven't seen an inning like this since the heyday of Bruce Berenyi

[Matt700wlw]

At this pace he would have to throw about 170 pitches just to make it through the complete game.

True..but it is interesting.



Maybe it's not.

[Reds Fanatic]

Now a 40 pitch inning for Zito.

[VR]

Speaking of riding our pitchers, have any of reporters covering the Reds asked Krivsky why his manager and bench coach were relieved of duty, while the guys presiding over arguably the NL's worst pitching staff (Pole/Hume) have been retained? Are we changing course here, and holding people to account, or is this just the shell game and more of the same old half measures without discernable design?

I walked around the field at Safeco with my kid for LL day. When I walked past the Reds dugout, Allen was yucking it up with Tommy like they were college frat buddies. Someone mentioned earlier that they are a little protective of some of the good ol' boys (Gully was the example, and a good one).

It is really scary to look at what a great start this pitching staff started out with, and where it currently is. I don't know if it's Hume/ Pole/Narron or a combination of any of the three.... but it seems beyond bad luck or sally arms that is happening to the pitching this year.

[jojo]

New manager and we get small ball on steroids.... 0 hits and 2 runs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Red in Chicago]

Only the Reds could get 5 walks in an inning and only score 2 runs.

[Stormy]

3rd best OPS vs LHPs for guys with over 51 ABs versus LHPs.

That's still no reason. Boasting a tepid 781OPS over a span of 88ABs isn't really a great endorsement for batting cleanup, especially when you see he posted even worse numbers versus LHP in 2005 and 2006), it's more of an indictment of the design of this offense. However, a guy like EdE posted an 828OPS versus LHP over the span of last season, so might even try him there by default, if the manager is averse to stacking the LHH. Ideally, one of our trades will return a legitimate young, middle of the order high OBP power RH bat, but we'll see.

[Reds Fanatic]

Has there ever been a no-hitter.....and the guy who threw it lost the game?
There have been a few games where pitchers threw no-hitters but lost. Matt Young threw one for the Red Sox in 1992 where they ended up losing 2-1. There have also been several cases where pitchers threw them for 9 innings but lost in extra innings.

[Stormy]

Haven't seen an inning like this since the heyday of Bruce Berenyi

Looking more like a throwback to 1982 everyday, eh? ;) Berenyi "only" walked 96 batters in that, his best MLB season.

[Matt700wlw]

Walking Bonds may not be a bad idea

[Razor Shines]

Who are they booing now?

[Cyclone792]

Again this is absolutely hilarious. The booing that's pouring down toward the Reds for walking Bonds is louder than the booing that poured down on Bonds himself when he was announced.

[Matt700wlw]

Question...would Narron have walked Bonds there?

[Tom Servo]

Question...would Narron have walked Bonds there?
No doubt.

[Red in Chicago]

After the long rest last inning, is it surprising that Harang is in trouble this inning?

[VR]

With Bonds getting his 3rd ab in 4 1/3 innings....it reminds me of watching the Reds play the Giants in the late 80's. It seemed like every inning they found away to face Clark/Mitchell/Williams.
Brett Butler was a fiestly little punk for that team.

[Matt700wlw]

No doubt.

I would agree....no brainer.


Now they're juiced.....





The bases, not Bonds....although he could be.

[jojo]

Has there ever been a no-hitter.....and the guy who threw it lost the game?

Yes-several I think.

In fact the Reds won a game where they were no hit (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Has_there_ever_been_a_'no_hitter'_pitched_with_a_s core_by_the_opposing_team):


On April 23, 1964 in Houston, Colt .45s' pitcher Ken Houston threw a no-hitter loss against the Cincinnati Reds. With the score tied 0-0 in the top of the ninth inning, Houston got the first out of the inning. Pete Rose came to bat, and bunted. Johnson fielded the ball and threw it wildly to first-base, allowing Rose to reach second-base on the error...no base-hit recorded.

The next batter, Chico Ruiz hit the ball off Johnson's shin to the third baseman, who then threw to first for the second out of the inning. Rose advanced to third base on the play.

Next up was Vada Pinson, who hit a ground-ball to second base, but second baseman Nellie Fox bobbled the ball, and his throw to first was too late. Pete Rose scored from third base on Fox's error. Frank Robinson flied out for the third out of the inning.

One run, no hits, two errors, one left on base.

The Colt .45s went down in the bottom of the ninth to end the game.

Some guy named Nuxhall was the winner for the Reds.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU196404230.shtml

[edabbs44]

Question...would Narron have walked Bonds there?

Harang is the big gun on the staff. Would be nice to see him go after Bonds again.

[CTA513]

Harang hasn't walked enough batters tonight.

[flyer85]

Is the K zone extra small tonight?

11 BBs between the pitchers

[letsgojunior]

Good evening all.:wave:

[Matt700wlw]

Yes-several I think.

In fact the Reds won a game where they were no hit (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Has_there_ever_been_a_'no_hitter'_pitched_with_a_s core_by_the_opposing_team):



Some guy named Nuxhall was the winner for the Reds.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU196404230.shtml

I figured it had happened...it just seems odd.

[Matt700wlw]

McKannin out to argue....and I think he has one.


Bad call. Figures.

[Cyclone792]

Barry Zito has 47 walks this season in 99.2 innings. That's a high number of walks.

Here's a question for all to ponder: once Homer Bailey reaches 99.2 innings pitched in his big league career (whether it's this season or doesn't happen until next season), how many walks do you think he'll have allowed?

[Razor Shines]

I thought he was out.

[MrCinatit]

Terrible call - looks to me like he was out.

Meanwhile, this is not exactly the pitching match up I envisioned when two staff aces go head to head. Right now, it is like Harang and Zito are trying to show who can suck most.

[RBA]

Bad call by the ump.

[Matt700wlw]

So when do the Giants realize they aren't going to win with these old farts and re-tool it?

[Stormy]

Is that Dreckman or Don Denkinger down there at first base? Molina looked out by a fraction.

[redsfan4445]

he was OUT!! and here is GEORGE saying "its hard to tell"... is he blind???

[Kc61]

So when do the Giants realize they aren't going to win with these old farts and re-tool it?


If they get calls in their favor like that one, Giants won't need better players.

[Stormy]

Good evening all.:wave:

Hi LGJ. :wave:

[Stormy]

I walked around the field at Safeco with my kid for LL day. When I walked past the Reds dugout, Allen was yucking it up with Tommy like they were college frat buddies. Someone mentioned earlier that they are a little protective of some of the good ol' boys (Gully was the example, and a good one).

That's interesting VR, and it's definitely a perception that has stuck around the Cincy area for quite a while, spanning several regimes.

[Matt700wlw]

No hitter gone

[MrCinatit]

Phillips (of course) gets the first hit for the Reds tonight.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds finally get a hit as Phillips singles.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves Phillips to 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior walks. 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine doubles. Tie game 3-3.

[Stormy]

Good for Conine, staying back on it with 2 strikes.

[jojo]

Now that was a professional at bat by Conine....

:D

[Red in Chicago]

Maybe Dunn could take some lessons from Barry on how to play the ball off the wall in left:p:

[letsgojunior]

Thanks for the updates RF... I am unable to watch, but see that Barry Bonds has moved closer to the HR record (as I mutter "this is egregious" to myself randomly).

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 3-3 after 5.

This is about to be a battle of bullpens.

Harang 96 pitches
Zito 113 pitches.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 3-3 after 5.

This is about to be a battle of bullpens.



Fun will be had by all

[edabbs44]

Fun will be had by all

I'll take the over.

[Kc61]

Maybe Dunn could take some lessons from Barry on how to play the ball off the wall in left:p:

And from Conine on how to make contact with men on base.

[Tom Servo]

Bob seems like a defeated man.

[guttle11]

Fun will be had by all

You must have forgotten the "Giants fans" at the end.

[Matt700wlw]

Does Robert have anything to say with George and Christopher?

[Razor Shines]

I think he almost gave part of the blame to George and Chris. I know they're not great but let's not get ahead of ourselves, Bob.

[guttle11]

Does Bob have anything to say with George and Christopher?

He sounds like someone just punted his dog Baxter. Minus the milk.

[Big Klu]

I think having to fire Jerry has really weighed on Mr. Castellini on a personal level. By the tone of his voice, this has really hit him hard.

[Matt700wlw]

I think having to fire Jerry has really weighed on Mr. Castellini on a personal level. By the tone of his voice, this has really hit him hard.

I can't imagine it's easy...especially when you like the person

[Big Klu]

He sounds like someone just punted his dog Baxter. Minus the milk.

Uncle Jonathan's corncob pipe! :eek:

[Razor Shines]

This is a depressing interview. I hope one of them are close enough to keep Cast from jumping right out of the press box.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bob said within reason money would not be a consideration in hiring a new manager.

[Matt700wlw]

Bob said within reason money would not be a consideration in hiring a new manager.

Good. You get what you pay for....and since McKeon....they've paid for very little.

[Reds Fanatic]

Harang is through the 6th on 109 pitches so I would imagine he is done for the night.

[Cyclone792]

I actually have to give George and Chris some credit here. They're trying to ask some key questions that I'd be asking myself, but Bob's answers and the lack of substance speak for themselves. He's really looking bad here.

[MrCinatit]

Bob has a "Kurtz" tone about him. I keep waiting for him to mutter "The horror...the horror...the horror."

[edabbs44]

Bob said within reason money would not be a consideration in hiring a new manager.

Would rather see the funds poured into the roster, but it's his money.

[Red in Chicago]

In virtually every interview I've seen of Bob, he's pretty painful to listen to.

[Matt700wlw]

Where's Aurilia?

[Matt700wlw]

Would rather see the funds poured into the roster, but it's his money.

I would hope that would go with the territory....who knows?

[Matt700wlw]

Bullpen working

[Big Klu]

I actually have to give George and Chris some credit here. They're trying to ask some key questions that I'd be asking myself, but Bob's answers and the lack of substance speak for themselves. He's really looking bad here.

I disagree. Obviously, Bob is not very polished on TV. But I think he is giving some very honest answers, and this is truly a personnel move that he didn't want to make, but felt he had to.

[letsgojunior]

Where's Aurilia?

Off being that scrappy, experienced veteran and invariably leading the Giants out of 5th place.

(Actually he's on the 15 day DL).

[Falls City Beer]

It's weird, but it sounds like Bob is shrinking from the immensity of the task of owning a MLB team. Not really comforting.

[Matt700wlw]

It's weird, but it sounds like Bob is shrinking from the immensity of the task of owning a MLB team. Not really comforting.

Hopefully it's just little sleep, stress, and jack daniels.

[Reds Fanatic]

Sorry I thought it was going out but he doubled to left.

[Red in Chicago]

Bob C. showed some life there on the Gonzo double:laugh:

[Big Klu]

Where's Aurilia?

I think he's on the disabled list.

[Big Klu]

Sorry I thought it was going out but he doubled to left.

How did that one stay in the ballpark?!

[Matt700wlw]

Hatte to hit for Harang

[Stormy]

I actually have to give George and Chris some credit here. They're trying to ask some key questions that I'd be asking myself, but Bob's answers and the lack of substance speak for themselves. He's really looking bad here.

I actually kind of like the guy, but you're absolutely right. If ever there was a way to say less than nothing, this is a lesson in how to do so. Whether it's indicative of the prevailing F.O. mentality regarding the 'collapse', or not, he's certainly alluded to almost a quiet despair about not knowing what went wrong, or how to go about changing it.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg pinch hitting is walked intentionally. 1st and 2nd with 2 outs.

[Red in Chicago]

I wonder if the Cowboy would have asked tougher questions?

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Freel. Bases loaded for Phillips.

[Big Klu]

Bob is a businessman. When they asked him about the Sarasota situation, he seemed much more polished.

[Matt700wlw]

:phillips:

:jump:

[MrCinatit]

Brandon Slammin!

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips GRAND SLAM to center. 7-3 Reds!

[TeamCasey]

WOO HOOOOOOOO!

[Matt700wlw]

I love this kid

[Big Klu]

I think Brandon just saved Mr. Castellini's life! :thumbup:

[Red in Chicago]

Phillips prevents Bob C. from jumping

[Stormy]

:phillips:

:jump:

I love it. Way to go BP, and I'm really happy for BobC - hopefully this will lift his spirits.

[Matt700wlw]

How'd Bob do during that? Did he wet himself?

[CrackerJack]

Isn't disciplined enough at the plate! Get rid of him!

[MrCinatit]

How'd Bob do during that? Did he wet himself?

It was kind of hard to tell with Chris and George yelling, but I think Bob was yelling, too.

[Big Klu]

I love this kid

I absolutely believe that we are looking at a star in the making!

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior's 3rd walk of the night.

[Matt700wlw]

Bob switching booths....in the Brennaman boys now.

Sounds upbeat now.

[corkedbat]

Kid oughta be an all-star. Conine will be out of the game with Jr's BB

[Red in Chicago]

Bob switching booths....in the Brennaman boys now.

Let us know if he says anything different