Reds vs Giants -- 7/5/07

[Matt700wlw]

Hamilton cf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Conine 1b
Dunn lf
Freel 3b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Arroyo p

Pete said he went Hamilton leadoff and Freel lower because Hamilton's OBP is better and Freel's average with RISP is better. Just thought that was interesting.

Also, he liked Conine's numbers better vs the right-handed Morris


-Trent

[Joseph]

Different indeed.

Let's see how it works.

[RedsManRick]

As long as Gonzalez are Ross are 7 & 8, the rest of the lineup is much less relevant. I really like Freel batting down in the order where his speed is more valuable -- and it gets Hamilton more ABs.

[Red Leader]

Interesting. If those two facts are indeed true, makes sense to me.

[flyer85]

I though Morris was pitching for the Giants.

Conine is all of 4-13 with a sub 700 OPS against Morris.

[Red Leader]

I though Morris was pitching for the Giants.

I believe he is. I looked back through this thread and didn't see any mention of someone stating otherwise. :dunno:

[Matt700wlw]

I though Morris was pitching for the Giants.

He is.....he likes Conine's numbers against him better than Hatte's (I just added that to the first post)

[Red Leader]

I though Morris was pitching for the Giants.

Conine is all of 4-13 with a sub 700 OPS against Morris.

Hatteberg was 0-7 against Morris last year.

[Puffy]

Boy, on what other team that Conine could have signed with would he have 80% of his at bats out of the cleanup spot?

He picked the right team to sign with. His agent should have a big bonus check from him this offseason.

[Tony Cloninger]

So it's ok for the new guy to sit EE?? Okay....:confused:

[Matt700wlw]

So it's ok for the new guy to sit EE?? Okay....:confused:

I'd rather he didn't, but he has his plan to play Freel a lot all over the place.....I guess it's going to happen from time to time.

[Red Leader]

Both Freel and Edwin are 1-7 (.143) against Morris. Both have a double.

[Matt700wlw]

Both Freel and Edwin are 1-7 (.143) against Morris. Both have a double.

I guess today it doesn't really matter

[Mario-Rijo]

Hatteberg was 0-7 against Morris last year.

Yup 0-7 lifetime and 2 BB's.

Conine as was already stated is 4-13 1 DBL and 1 RBI

[Mario-Rijo]

I'd rather he didn't, but he has his plan to play Freel a lot all over the place.....I guess it's going to happen from time to time.

Agreed and I guess if you are gonna sit EEE once a week or so then it might as well be vs. someone who hasn't had much success and isn't likely to face anymore this yr.

[KronoRed]

Boy, on what other team that Conine could have signed with would he have 80% of his at bats out of the cleanup spot?

He picked the right team to sign with. His agent should have a big bonus check from him this offseason.

That seems to be a trend in recent years, guy no other teams really want ends up being the clean up hitter here.

[Tom Servo]

That seems to be a trend in recent years, guy nobody really wants ends up being the clean up hitter here.
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[KronoRed]

The Axis of veteran know how.

[Matt700wlw]

Looks like about a 30 minute delay to the start time of the game...for now, assuming the forecast is correct about the rain cell being out about 7:10-7:15 or so.


Baseball will be played tonight in Cincinnati!....or at least the perception of baseball ;)

[jojo]

Hamilton cf
Phillips 2b
Griffey rf
Conine 1b
Dunn lf
Freel 3b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Arroyo p

Pete said he went Hamilton leadoff and Freel lower because Hamilton's OBP is better and Freel's average with RISP is better. Just thought that was interesting.

Also, he liked Conine's numbers better vs the right-handed Morris


-Trent

This is not encouraging news for me. This lineup may be successful tonight but it will be inspite of the one who created it. The reasoning Pete used is simply flawed.

Conine has 13 at bats against Morris for his career while Hatteberg only has 7. It's frustrating to see a manager make a decision based upon so little data. This is flat out incompetent reasoning IMHO.

That sentiment gets echoed with his decisions concerning Freel and Hamilton. That was based upon 31 Ab with RISP for Freel this season and only 40 such AB for Hamilton this year. What's worse Pete used batting average as a criteria.

WOW is all I have to say..... :(

[Matt700wlw]

Tarp in the process of being removed, I believe...now they have to put all the lines, bases, batters boxes...etc. on the field

[penantboundreds]

nice update matt!

[Matt700wlw]

ooooo...a rainbow

[Matt700wlw]

7:35 start now

[Big Klu]

Interesting lineup.

[westofyou]

The Reds manager could open up his mouth and gold coins could pour out and someone would say,

What?

No Silver?

[Matt700wlw]

Banana phones in back to back night....can we handle it?


:yikes:

Dunner should call in :)

[MartyFan]

Is this the third game in a row that EE is not starting?

[Matt700wlw]

Is this the third game in a row that EE is not starting?

He's started the whole series until tonight, I believe....I'd have to double check...of course I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning.

[letsgojunior]

I just got home from work - I have my television, remotes, laptop, cell phone, iPod, and dinner in immediate proximity. I'm hoping to not get up for at least two hours.:thumbup:

[Stormy]

Conine has 13 at bats against Morris for his career while Hatteberg only has 7. It's frustrating to see a manager make a decision based upon so little data. This is flat out incompetent reasoning IMHO.

That sentiment gets echoed with his decisions concerning Freel and Hamilton. That was based upon 31 Ab with RISP for Freel this season and only 40 such AB for Hamilton this year. What's worse Pete used batting average as a criteria.

WOW is all I have to say..... :(

I edited because I hadn't read Pete's pre-game remarks about RISP, but as for why I'd move Freel down in the order when he plays...

Freel has a 249BA/308 OBP this season, coming off of a 238BA/340OBP post All-Star break last year, with each month looking worse than it's predecessor. He's been in steep decline for his past 400ABs, and I have no problem getting a young guy like Hamilton more ABs right now as our leadoff guy, given his 362OBP, the way he's swinging the bat with great superiority to Freel, and given his chance for improvement.

[texasdave]

I would think between now and July 31st job one with the Reds is to increase the value of every tradeable commodity they have.

[Reds Fanatic]

That riverboat music in the background is annoying.

[Red in Chicago]

Never a good idea to walk the batter in front of Bonds. This could get ugly very quick.

[Tom Servo]

Wow...Ross.

[Reds Fanatic]

They had Bonds out on a foulout and Ross drops the ball.

[Matt700wlw]

wow

[flyer85]

just an awful defensive catcher, the only thing he does well is throw.

[Red in Chicago]

Arroyo throwing lots of pitches already this inning.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bonds lines into a 4-6 DP. 0-0 mid 1st.

[Tom Servo]

Clutch double play.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton leads off with a single to left.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice hitting

[Reds Fanatic]

Good 8 pitch AB for Junior as he walks. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

[Red in Chicago]

Morris almost looks tired already. Let's get some runs off of him now.

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine walks. Bases loaded for Dunn.

[Matt700wlw]

This would be a good time for Dunn...

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn with a sac. fly to center. 1-0 Reds!

[Matt700wlw]

SAC FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Tom Servo]

scrappy

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn is sac fly machine.

[KronoRed]

Not to be a bummer, but we don't seem to win very often when Dunn hits those ;)

[cincyinco]

marty just talks about how dunn should drive in many many more RBI..

Dunn promptly hits a sac fly and ties JR. for most RBI's on the team..

what am I not understanding here...

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel grounds out to Morris. 1-0 Reds after 1.

[Stormy]

Good 8 pitch AB for Junior as he walks. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

Griff and Conine both had great ABs versus Morris. I liked our approach in the first, and hopefully it will contribute to eventually driving Morris from the game a bit early tonight. Good job by AD to go ahead and take a rip at something he could drive early in the count.

[pahster]

Sac fly? Let the winning begin!

[cincyinco]

so much for freel is better with RISP eh?

jk..

wow, this is my first gamethread in about.. well.. forever. I'll try to keep my observations to a min.. def. wont give the play by play.. but its good to be able to join one of these again..

[Reds Fanatic]

Nice effort by Junior on that foul ball.

[oneupper]

so much for freel is better with RISP eh?

jk..



You gotta think Mackanin can't say "I prefer to give an extra AB to Hamilton and not Freel".

The RISP thing is just an excuse, IMO.

[pahster]

Nice bounce back inning by Arroyo.

[Matt700wlw]

You gotta think Mackanin can't say "I prefer to give an extra AB to Hamilton and not Freel".

The RISP thing is just an excuse, IMO.

Sure he could...with Josh being a rookie, I'd like to give him as many at-bats as possible to get him more exprience at the plate.

[Matt700wlw]

:arroyo:

:jump:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mario-Rijo]

:beerme: Arroyo is a hitter baby!

[Big Klu]

Bronson!!!!

[letsgojunior]

:arroyo:

Chicks dig the long ball.

[Matt700wlw]

I always love when pitchers go yard

[Red in Chicago]

prediction-JR will go yard this ab

[Matt700wlw]

Morris vs Griffey......


fathers day...2004

[Mario-Rijo]

What did Morris say to Hammy? I don't think he liked Hammy's lead!

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey is the man....THE man.


What a year

[Red in Chicago]

What did Morris say to Hammy?

That's what I was wondering. Neither Chris or George even noticed.

[Stormy]

Man, Griffey's bat is just lightning fast through the zone again. Even the timing mechanism on his swing just looks like a coil. Great stuff by Griff, and a great job of the lineup putting the screws to Morris early.

[Mario-Rijo]

Now Morris just stared down the Ump! He is beside himself! :laugh:

[MartyFan]

Score update for those of us without the radio?

[SirFelixCat]

4-0 Good guys now....

[Red in Chicago]

Morris with over 50 pitches after two innings.

[Mario-Rijo]

4-0 Reds end of 2~!

[Matt700wlw]

Walking Pedro Feliz takes talent

[Red in Chicago]

Is Morris still complaining to the home plate ump:laugh:

[Mario-Rijo]

Is Morris still complaining to the home plate ump:laugh:

w/o question he walked up jawin'! :laugh:

[Kc61]

Key is for Arroyo to try and keep the pitch count down. He needs to throw strikes in this inning.

[Red in Chicago]

w/o question he walked up jawin'! :laugh:

It even seemed like he mouthed the "f" word after talking to his third base coach

[letsgojunior]

I just missed that double, but here's to Jr.

:griffey:

[Mario-Rijo]

It even seemed like he mouthed the "f" word after talking to his third base coach

Yeah, he did!

[Red in Chicago]

Yeah, he did!

Maybe he's somehow channeling in Carlos Zambrano. I've not noticed him act this way before. Very entertaining.

[Mario-Rijo]

Maybe he's somehow channeling in Carlos Zambrano. I've not noticed him act this way before. Very entertaining.

Oh yeah, he was hard looking Gonzo at 2nd! He must have been looking for signs of disrespect or something.

[Big Klu]

Is this the third game in a row that EE is not starting?

This is the first game that Edwin hasn't started since the 9-1 loss at Seattle on June 23, and it's only the second game he hasn't started since he was recalled from Louisville on May 22.

[Matt700wlw]

Fred Lewis = Reds killer

[Red in Chicago]

Can't they wait to change the baseball's until he reaches 754?

[Mario-Rijo]

Can't they wait to change the baseball's until he reaches 754?

Ugghh, apparently all those balls are worth a few yen! Wonder how much one of those Foul balls are worth?

[GAC]

Chat is open! :beerme:

[Big Klu]

AFLAC Trivia Question: Who are the two pitchers to give up a home run to both Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds?

My guess: Nolan Ryan and Charlie Hough.

[MartyFan]

BK, I agree with you

[Big Klu]

BK, I agree with you

Well, I was 0-for-2.

The coreect answers were Rick Reuschel and Frank Tanana.

[Matt700wlw]

It's raining.....and it stopped.

[Red in Chicago]

Now that's what I like to see. A pitch up and in on Bonds.

[MartyFan]

Well, I was 0-for-2.

The coreect answers were Rick Reuschel and Frank Tanana.

WOW...I never would have named either of them.

[letsgojunior]

Now that's what I like to see. A pitch up and in on Bonds.

:thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

One thing about Bonds...a pitcher goes inside on him, he never gives a pitcher that eye like "what are you doing."...he gets hit, he never says anything about it, he just removes his body armor and trots to first.....and when he argues a pitch, which isn't very often, he's usually right.

I'm sure there are exceptions...as there are to anything


That's about all I can think of

[Reds Fanatic]

1-2-3 inning for Arroyo. 5-2 Reds mid 6th. 100 pitches for Arroyo.

[penantboundreds]

Arroyo is throwing 90+ again tonight. That is key to his effectiveness.

[VR]

Marty and Thommy boy can sure sound like a couple of
barnyard hens clucking at each other sometimes.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice point by Thom about Castro vs Keppinger......Keppinger will win you more games with your bat as an extra body than Castro will with his glove....even if Castro has a better glove than Keppinger (which I would say at this point, he does).

They may have been talking more about next year, and Keppinger trying to take Castro's job, but I say bring him up now. There's no reason not to.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton homers to center! 6-2 Reds!

[Matt700wlw]

Amazing. I got chills...this guy is absolutely amazing.

:hamilton:

:jump:

[Stormy]

Damn, Hamilton just muscled that curve right out the front door.

HR #14, and 6-2 lead against Morris.

[letsgojunior]

Amazing. I got chills...this guy is absolutely amazing.

:hamilton:

:jump:

me too

[Matt700wlw]

I can't get enough of it

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips hit it well but flies out to center. 6-2 Reds after 6. That is 113 pitches for Morris so he should be done.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty said it..."this kids ability will strike you and leave you absolutely stupid."

[Eric_Davis]

just an awful defensive catcher, the only thing he does well is throw.

He calls good games.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo at 110+ pitches

[Reds Fanatic]

Sweeney pinch hits and doubles in a run. 6-3 Reds.

[Reds Fanatic]

Pitching change. Arroyo leaves at 114 pitches.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice job by Arroyo...here comes Coutlanges

[Eric_Davis]

Nice point by Thom about Castro vs Keppinger......Keppinger will win you more games with your bat as an extra body than Castro will with his glove....even if Castro has a better glove than Keppinger (which I would say at this point, he does).

They may have been talking more about next year, and Keppinger trying to take Castro's job, but I say bring him up now. There's no reason not to.

Hear! Hear!

[Reds Fanatic]

Winn a .333 AVG and .897 OPS vs LHP this year.

[flyer85]

going to JC here doesn't make a lot of sense

[jojo]

The Reds manager could open up his mouth and gold coins could pour out and someone would say,

What?

No Silver?

He could open his mouth and dung fall out of it too and I bet some would justifiably say,

What?

[Reds Fanatic]

Winn grounds out to 3rd. 6-3 Reds mid 7th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Steve Kline in to pitch.

[Big Klu]

Nice point by Thom about Castro vs Keppinger......Keppinger will win you more games with your bat as an extra body than Castro will with his glove....even if Castro has a better glove than Keppinger (which I would say at this point, he does).

They may have been talking more about next year, and Keppinger trying to take Castro's job, but I say bring him up now. There's no reason not to.

Of course, if they only carried 11 pitchers instead of 12, they could actually fit both of them on the roster (if they so chose).

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn walks on 4 pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn steals 2nd as it first looked like he would be picked off.

[mbgrayson]

Dunn has no 'protection' in Ryan Freel, so he is getting nothing to hit tonight.

[Eric_Davis]

Dunn has no 'protection' in Ryan Freel, so he is getting nothing to hit tonight.

It's really mind-boggling that Dunn doesn't bat 2nd ahead of Junior.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel pops out to 1st. 6-3 Reds after 7.

[Matt700wlw]

Thank you C. Trent...

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rookie card

[flyer85]

Freel when he goes up there hacking is not a good offensive player

[Matt700wlw]

Freel to left....Dunn out, and Castro at third.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel moves to left. Castro in to play 3rd. So Castro is in Dunn's spot in the order.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lewis strikes out looking. 1 out.

[flyer85]

Ahh, Golden Hands ... cement feet

[Eric_Davis]

Freel pops out to 1st. 6-3 Reds after 7.

Freel has failed to advance 4 runners so far...no other RED has failed to advance more than one. Just sayin'.

[Big Klu]

I like that Freel is in LF, instead of playing CF with Hamilton moving to LF. I think that Mack should just put Josh in CF and leave him alone, and Ryan should go back to being the supersub LF/CF/RF/3B/2B.

[Reds Fanatic]

Durham strikes out swinging. 2 outs.

[KronoRed]

I miss the old Ryan Freel, think he'll be back our way someday?

[Big Klu]

Freel moves to left. Castro in to play 3rd. So Castro is in Dunn's spot in the order.

Not a bad substitution. Dunn/Castro's spot is due up eighth in the next inning.

[flyer85]

I miss the old Ryan Freel, think he'll be back our way someday?nope

[Eric_Davis]

I like that Freel is in LF, instead of playing CF with Hamilton moving to LF. I think that Mack should just put Josh in CF and leave him alone, and Ryan should go back to being the supersub LF/CF/RF/3B/2B.

Works for me.

Can we actually win a series? New manager, new attitude?

[Reds Fanatic]

Bonds strikes out looking. Coutlangus strikes out the side. 6-3 Reds mid 8th.

[Big Klu]

Jon Coutlangus showed no fear in that at bat! :thumbup:

[Matt700wlw]

Damn, Coutlanges!

It's gotta be the manager change ;)

[Eric_Davis]

Coutlangus strikes out the side. Has he ever done that before? Nice.

[OnBaseMachine]

Coutlangus with a dominant inning. He made Bonds look silly in that atbat. I'm telling ya, Coutlangus is going to be a good one.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Hope Coutlangus keeps the special "Barry baseball" for his mantle. :beerme:

[corkedbat]

I know Coutlangus has had his share of ups and downs but I like the kid. That's the way to pitch an 8th inning! :thumbup:

The long struggle to ditch that dreaded 1st pick has begun! :evil:

[mbgrayson]

More and more I like how MacKanin manages the bullpen. I have noticed before how much better Coutlangus does when he has a day off between pitching.

Tuesday we had Coutlangus, Coffey, and Weathers.
Wednesday we had Stone, Gosling, McBeth and Salmon.
Tonight back with Coutlangus and he rocks with one day rest.....

[Kc61]

Only one game, but Reds seem like a different team tonight so far. Just seem more aggressive at the plate and more confident overall. Maybe it's just that Arroyo pitched well and Cout was great. Pitching helps. Also, keeping Cout out there for 4 outs is a preferable use of the pen than all the switching previously.

[vaticanplum]

Only one game, but Reds seem like a different team tonight so far. Just seem more aggressive at the plate and more confident overall. Maybe it's just that Arroyo pitched well and Cout was great. Pitching helps. Also, keeping Cout out there for 4 outs is a preferable use of the pen than all the switching previously.

I agree. Reds in 2007! Reds for president!!

[Reds Fanatic]

Scott Atchison in to pitch.

Gonzalez flies out to right.
Ross flies out to right.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Coutlangus strikes out the side. Has he ever done that before? Nice.

I was thinking more like this... has any 2007 REDS reliever ever gotten through the 8th inning without allowing a run (or even a base runner)? Someone call Ripley's Believe-It-Or-Not! :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg hitting for Coutlangus.

Hatteberg walks.

[Matt700wlw]

Josh....on base 3 times tonight as the leadoff hitter.

[mbgrayson]

Josh....on base 3 times tonight as the leadoff hitter.
Make that 4! Sweet!

[Matt700wlw]

Make that 4 times

[KronoRed]

nope

Shame, if not we're gonna be paying a lot of cash to a hacker

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton walks. 1st and 2nd.

[Big Klu]

Only one game, but Reds seem like a different team tonight so far. Just seem more aggressive at the plate and more confident overall. Maybe it's just that Arroyo pitched well and Cout was great. Pitching helps. Also, keeping Cout out there for 4 outs is a preferable use of the pen than all the switching previously.

I'm with ya. I hate the very concept of the LOOGY. If a pitcher can't record more than one out in an appearance, then I don't think he's much use on a team. I understand that sometimes you have to manage like it's the seventh game of the World Series, but specifically keeping a player on your roster so you manage like that all season long is a waste of resources and a roster spot, IMO.

[OnBaseMachine]

Great atbat by Hamilton. Fell behind 0-2 only to comeback and work a walk. He's been on base four times tonight (single, HR, HBP, walk).

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Phillips. Bases loaded for Junior.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty and Thom saying that out of HS, Josh Hamilton was said by scouts to be even more though of than A-Rod or Griffey.

I'm sure we've all heard that, but I still like to type it :)

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior strikes out swinging. 6-3 Reds after 8.

[penantboundreds]

im watching baseball tonight and eduardo perez at first glance does not deserve to be on air?

[Matt700wlw]

3 outs away from winning a series :)

[KronoRed]

3 outs away from winning a series :)

Shush, winning a series around here is as rare as a no hitter :pray:

[Reds Fanatic]

Weathers in to pitch.

[Matt700wlw]

Shush, winning a series around here is as rare as a no hitter :pray:

oops

[Reds Fanatic]

Klesko singles off the wall in right.

[penantboundreds]

baseball tonight said griffey isnt going to home run derby?

[BCubb2003]

Infield hit for Phillips. Bases loaded for Junior.

Josh, Josh, Josh, what about Brandon?

[Matt700wlw]

baseball tonight said griffey isnt going to home run derby?

Correct. He turned down the offer

[Big Klu]

Marty and Thom saying that out of HS, Josh Hamilton was said by scouts to be even more though of than A-Rod or Griffey.

I'm sure we've all heard that, but I still like to type it :)

I forget where I read it, but an old scout who had been around for a long time saw Josh Hamilton play in high school, and was asked who he would compare Josh to. He said, "Mickey Mantle".

[Matt700wlw]

Wow! Brandon Phillips!


Get some..ok, quite a bit of pitching and this team can be quite good.

[corkedbat]

Great DP!

[Reds Fanatic]

Molina grounds into a 6-4-3 DP. Great turn there by Phillips.

[RedFanAlways1966]

A pitcher's best friend, 6-4-3 DP. And a pitcher also likes a very slow runner like Molina.

[Matt700wlw]

I forget where I read it, but an old scout who had been around for a long time saw Josh Hamilton play in high school, and was asked who he would compare Josh to. He said, "Mickey Mantle".

That's quite a compliment

[Eric_Davis]

I forget where I read it, but an old scout who had been around for a long time saw Josh Hamilton play in high school, and was asked who he would compare Josh to. He said, "Mickey Mantle".

He nailed that on the head, just that Mantle stuck with booze instead of crack.

[Reds Fanatic]

Aurilia lines a double to right.

[Tom Servo]

The Nature Boy with a pesky double.

[Mario-Rijo]

baseball tonight said griffey isnt going to home run derby?

Heard that earlier today on the SD. I think Jr. Needs a break. Maybe he should get one off this weekend. Not taking that day game off yesterday is something he's not use to.

[mbgrayson]

TOBTTR!

[RedFanAlways1966]

Ball game! :beerme:

[Mario-Rijo]

Game Over!!! Reds win the penn....err series!!!! :beerme:

[penantboundreds]

i think i like jr not participating, i like seeing that swing but that has to take a toll out of your body

[remdog]

That might have been the best pivot/relay by a 2nd baseman that I've seen this year. :clap::clap::clap:

Rem

[Reds Fanatic]

Feliz grounds out to 2nd. Reds win 6-3 :beerme:

Reds win their first series in almost a month!

[Gallen5862]

"And This One Belongs to the Reds."

[KronoRed]

A series win..I'm in shock

[Eric_Davis]

New Manager.

New results.

Reds win a series.

[Eric_Davis]

Bring it on!

[Mario-Rijo]

That might have been the best pivot/relay by a 2nd baseman that I've seen this year. :clap::clap::clap:

Rem


Well to be fair we are talking about Bengie Molina, perhaps the worlds slowest living baseball player. ;)

[Big Klu]

This One Belongs To The Reds! A series win!

(In honor of Richie, I have to say, WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :D )

[RedFanAlways1966]

Well to be fair we are talking about Bengie Molina, perhaps the worlds slowest living baseball player. ;)

It was a great turn... and Molina helped too! I was just glad the big Klesko didn't do a Mookie Wilson (Ron Oester) to BP. I know, showing my age...

[jojo]

New Manager.

New results.

Reds win a series.

Maybe if they fire Pete tonight, they can sweep Arizona?

[KronoRed]

Maybe if they fire Pete tonight, they can sweep Arizona?

Do it.

[Mario-Rijo]

It was a great turn... and Molina helped too! I was just glad the big Klesko didn't do a Mookie Wilson (Ron Oester) to BP. I know, showing my age...

He came in quite hard, I noticed that's happening more frequently with BP lately. He's not a very popular guy around MLB.

[corkedbat]

Now all they have to do is win 2 out of every three from here on out to finish 84-78. :evil:

Of course, that's about as likely as me finishing the year as the closer too. :D

[RedFanAlways1966]

And let us not forget that the REDS won their 1st three games with Jerry Narron at the helm. June 21-24, 2005.

[Matt700wlw]

It was a great turn... and Molina helped too! I was just glad the big Klesko didn't do a Mookie Wilson (Ron Oester) to BP. I know, showing my age...

Would that be the knee shredding incident?

[RedFanAlways1966]

Would that be the knee shredding incident?

You are correct, Matt.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Last time the REDS beat the Giants in a series...

Aug. 3-5, 2004 at San Francisco
(1) REDS lose 11-0 (ouch!).
(2) REDS win 8-7.
(3) REDS win 12-3.

Facts:
* REDS score 10 runs in the 8th (bizarro!) inning of game 3.
* The REDS pitchers of decision in games 1 & 2 have both passed away (Lidle & Hancock).
* Dunn hits 2 HRs in game 2 and 1 HR in game 3.
* Nick Lowry makes his 1st start of the year in game 1 for the Giants and throws a CG 3-hitter (his 1st CG in MLB).
* Casey goes 7-for-10 in games 2 & 3.

[Eric_Davis]

Now all they have to do is win 2 out of every three from here on out to finish 84-78. :evil:

Of course, that's about as likely as me finishing the year as the closer too. :D

They do need to try to get rid of the losing attitude. Any type of winning helps.

[WVRedsFan]

Good game. I only saw parts of it, but I think that Pete moving Hamilton to leadoff reaped dividends. Only problem I had was playing Freel at 3rd instead of Edwin and bring in Castro "for defensive purposes". That's a crock. Freel's batting .249 and mostly worthless at the plate these days and you bench the youngster. I hope Pete doesn't feel Freel has to be in every starting lineup. And I hope Pete doesn't feel he has to put Castro in every game. I have to wonder if our managers aren't getting a little pressure from the FO on that.

Anyway, a good victory. I'm still worried about Arroyo, but we'll save that for another day.

[Big Klu]

Good game. I only saw parts of it, but I think that Pete moving Hamilton to leadoff reaped dividends. Only problem I had was playing Freel at 3rd instead of Edwin and bring in Castro "for defensive purposes". That's a crock. Freel's batting .249 and mostly worthless at the plate these days and you bench the youngster. I hope Pete doesn't feel Freel has to be in every starting lineup. And I hope Pete doesn't feel he has to put Castro in every game. I have to wonder if our managers aren't getting a little pressure from the FO on that.

Anyway, a good victory. I'm still worried about Arroyo, but we'll save that for another day.

I wouldn't read much into Edwin not starting at 3B tonight. I think he was just getting a night off. Tonight was only the second game that Edwin hadn't started since being recalled from Louisville on May 22. (The other one was the 9-1 loss at Seattle on June 23.)

As for Castro--he was actually brought in as a defensive replacement for Dunn who was the next-to-last batter in the bottom of the seventh. So Freel moves to LF to replace Dunn (a defensive upgrade), Castro replaces Freel at 3B (also an upgrade--at worst a push), Castro isn't due up until the eighth batter in the bottom of the eighth inning, and Encarnacion is still available (along with Hatteberg) as a PH whenever Mack feels the need. I think it was a decent substitution.

[M2]

More and more I like how MacKanin manages the bullpen. I have noticed before how much better Coutlangus does when he has a day off between pitching.

Most guys do respond better is they aren't warming up every day to pitch to one or two batters. Narron's multi-pitcher inning fascination definitely wasn't helping guys stay sharp.

I really like how Coutlangus slammed the door tonight. I figure Coffey will be another beneficiary if Mackanin provides a steadier hand at bullpen management.

[WVRedsFan]

I wouldn't read much into Edwin not starting at 3B tonight. I think he was just getting a night off. Tonight was only the second game that Edwin hadn't started since being recalled from Louisville on May 22. (The other one was the 9-1 loss at Seattle on June 23.)

As for Castro--he was actually brought in as a defensive replacement for Dunn who was the next-to-last batter in the bottom of the seventh. So Freel moves to LF to replace Dunn (a defensive upgrade), Castro replaces Freel at 3B (also an upgrade--at worst a push), Castro isn't due up until the eighth batter in the bottom of the eighth inning, and Encarnacion is still available (along with Hatteberg) as a PH whenever Mack feels the need. I think it was a decent substitution.

I don't know. With this team's pitching woes (even theugh they pitched well tonight), putting in a defensive replacement says that someone is going to boot balls or not get to balls so that runs can be scored. With this team, it's all about those who could have terrific range to stop hits and Castro ain't it. The same could be said for Freel. You just have to know he's been told he can't have another concussion. So, you give up offense you might need (with only a 3-run lead) for defense that probably won't make any difference when balls fly out of the bandbox we call home.

The best thing for the Reds is to have the bats in the batting order if you need them. I seriously doubt that Castro or Freel will save a game with their glove. Dunn makes his share of boo-boos in left, but rarely when it counts. And Castro, for all the minutia that has been spread about his fielding powress, doesn't have the range everyone thinks he does.

Castro is a disease. Leave him on the roster and managers of all persuasions will use him as a defensive wizard. And when a bat is needed, his .180 average really helps the team if and when his glove can't save a game.

[WVRedsFan]

Most guys do respond better is they aren't warming up every day to pitch to one or two batters. Narron's multi-pitcher inning fascination definitely wasn't helping guys stay sharp.

I really like how Coutlangus slammed the door tonight. I figure Coffey will be another beneficiary if Mackanin provides a steadier hand at bullpen management.

Noticed Coffey sprinted out of the bullpen last night without any bad effects. I wish they'd kindly tell Todd that he needs to save his energy for the batters. It's a pet peeve.

As for Cout, good job. He's going to be good with a manager who will use him in the right way.

[Ron Madden]

That might have been the best pivot/relay by a 2nd baseman that I've seen this year. :clap::clap::clap:

Rem


I agree Rem, BP got rid of it in a hurry. :thumbup:

[cumberlandreds]

Marty and Thom saying that out of HS, Josh Hamilton was said by scouts to be even more though of than A-Rod or Griffey.

I'm sure we've all heard that, but I still like to type it :)

I had not heard this until last night's broadcast. That's pretty amazing. After seeing him for a half a season I can see why. If stays straight he should be a special player for years to come for the Reds.

[cumberlandreds]

I liked Hamilton batting leadoff. He has good speed and power. I know his plate discipline isn't what it should be but I think that will be better with more experience. I hope Mack keeps him there for a while and see how it goes.