7-13-07 vs Mr. Met

[RedsManRick]

Lineup per C Trent:

Freel 3b
Hopper cf
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Hatteberg 1b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Harang p

Hopper batting 2nd. It's scraptastic!

[Heath]

Well, at least the Mets won't pitch around Dunn..........

I think Petey Mac draws numbers for his lineup construction the way some Catholic churches call Bingo Night.

[edabbs44]

I'm going and I don't see EdE. WEAK!

But thank God Harang is throwing. I'd be throwing (up) if Lohse was pitching.

[oneupper]

Maine has been throwing well for the Mets.
Guess its "manufacturing runs" time.

BP has a .749 OPS this year in the cleanup spot.

[Matt700wlw]

Hurry back, Josh.

[RedsManRick]

11 Reds have at least 100 AB.

OBP
1. Hatteberg, .407
2. Griffey, .391
3. Hamilton, .371
4. Dunn, .355
5. EE, .348
6. Conine, .326
7. Hopper, .323
8. Phillips, .322
9. Freel, .307
10. Gonzalez, .295
11. Ross, .248

SLG
1. Griffey, .566
2. Dunn, .544
3. Hamilton, .543
4. Hatteberg, .489
5. Phillips, .478
6. Gonzalez, .442
7. Conine, .412
8. Ross .401
9. EE, .385
10. Freel, .361
11. Hopper, .339

Now I see how it works. Hitting high in the order isn't about getting on base. It's about not having any power whatsoever.

[BRM]

3 of the top 4 spots in the order are occupied by low OBP guys. Nice.

[lollipopcurve]

I hope Freel and his Amazing Versatility are being showcased for interested parties.

[CTA513]

Play Keppinger at third base if Encarnacion isn't going to play.

[RedsManRick]

I wonder if Mac knows that Dunn hits lefties better than Hopper and Freel hit anybody.

[oneupper]

I wonder if Mac knows that Dunn hits lefties better than Hopper and Freel hit anybody.


Play Keppinger at third base if Encarnacion isn't going to play.


I hope Freel and his Amazing Versatility are being showcased for interested parties.

Stop making sense, guys. We'll have none of that around here.

Remember: Ryan Freel is the Reds' SPARK (he'll cause a short circuit every time).

[dabvu2498]

5 of the top 9 spots in the order are occupied by low OBP guys. Nice.

Let me help you with that.

[WVRedsFan]

Let me help you with that.


I'm beginning to wonder if anyone remotely identified with this franchise can pick a manager...

Bowden - Boone
Bowden - Miley
O'Brien - Narron
Krivsky - Narron
Macklanin (not fair, I know).

All basically have done the same thing leading me to believe that maybe, just maybe, all the good managers are gone.

[KronoRed]

3 of the top 4 spots in the order are occupied by low OBP guys. Nice.

They are run producers

[Marc D]

I'm beginning to wonder if anyone remotely identified with this franchise can pick a manager...

Bowden - Boone
Bowden - Miley
O'Brien - Narron
Krivsky - Narron
Macklanin (not fair, I know).

All basically have done the same thing leading me to believe that maybe, just maybe, all the good managers are gone.

Looking at your list I wonder if anyone can pick a GM

[MrCinatit]

They are run producers

True. Freel produced one last night for the Mets.

[GAC]

Chat is open! :beerme:

[CTA513]

True. Freel produced one last night for the Mets.

:ughmamoru

[GAC]

Lineup per C Trent:

Freel 3b
Hopper cf
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Hatteberg 1b
Gonzalez ss
Ross c
Harang p

Hopper batting 2nd. It's scraptastic!

One of the hottest bats and highest OB% guys on the team right now is Hatte. And he's batting 6th?

I miss Narron! :lol:

[MrCinatit]

BRANDON!!! Coming through BIG time!

[Matt700wlw]

WOW!!!

:phillips:

:jump:

[BCubb2003]

Now that's a lineup.

[CTA513]

Maine is already up to 21 pitches with 0 outs and down 4-0.

:thumbup:

[BCubb2003]

Maine is already up to 21 pitches with 0 outs and down 4-0.

:thumbup:

Mets announcers say he's pitching on too much rest.

[Matt700wlw]

So much for a pitchers dual.... :p:

[Marc D]

BP killed the rally with that HR

[BCubb2003]

The Mets are using the same lineup two games in a row. Is that legal?

[Falls City Beer]

Thank God for the dimensions of Shea, eh, Aaron?

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips with a heck of a play!

[CTA513]

Good play by Phillips to knock the ball down and still be able to get Beltran out at first.

:thumbup:

[MrCinatit]

Maybe I am using rose colored glasses, but it seems to me Brandon Phillips is one of the best - and underappreciated - 2nd basemen in the game right now not only offensively, but defensively.

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe I am using rose colored glasses, but it seems to me Brandon Phillips is one of the best - and underappreciated - 2nd basemen in the game right now not only offensively, but defensively.

I would agree with that....he's something special.

He has to be one of the best 2nd basemen in the game not named Chase Utley...

[VR]

Maybe I am using rose colored glasses, but it seems to me Brandon Phillips is one of the best - and underappreciated - 2nd basemen in the game right now not only offensively, but defensively.

A little more consistency, and I'm with you

[MrCinatit]

Did Thom really say Rickey Henderson is one of the top 5 players of all time?
That is a huge stretch, to say the least. He would not even make it in my top 5 guys to play in a Yankees uniform.

[Falls City Beer]

Did Thom really say Rickey Henderson is one of the top 5 players of all time?
That is a huge stretch, to say the least. He would not even make it in my top 5 guys to play in a Yankees uniform.

I'd probably consider him for a top ten position player.

[Matt700wlw]

JB asks the question we all ask...why does Moeller keep getting the call up when there's other guys who could actually hit and/or gain valuable experience in the big leagues down in Louisville...

"That's a bad off the bench"

[GAC]

They are run producers

They must be since it's 4-0 right off the bat. :mooner:

[GAC]

Did Thom really say Rickey Henderson is one of the top 5 players of all time?
That is a huge stretch, to say the least. He would not even make it in my top 5 guys to play in a Yankees uniform.

Between him or Cobb, they'd be my all-time leadoff guy.

[NJReds]

Keith Hernandez is enamored with Harang. After last night's snarkfest, he's full of praise today.

[KronoRed]

They must be since it's 4-0 right off the bat. :mooner:

One game does mean everything

[Falls City Beer]

I love two-out walks.

[NJReds]

The ball is carrying unusually well tonight for Shea Stadium.

[Matt700wlw]

Gotay...another guy I've never heard of that will kill the Reds

[CTA513]

Harang is not helping himself out by walking batters.

[Eric_Davis]

Gotay...another guy I've never heard of that will kill the Reds

We have had the same kind of players available (Brendan Harris, Keppinger, Wise, starting Freel over Encarnacion instead of having Freel on the bench), but for some reason we have a need to have 3 catchers and Juan Castro.

[Falls City Beer]

Harang is not helping himself out by walking batters.

Not at Shea he's not.

[Matt700wlw]

This isn't exactly what Harang had in mind...

[Eric_Davis]

Haven't seen it anywhere, but the token Pirate that took Brandon Phillips' spot on the All-Star game wasn't as bad as Beltran being an All-Star instead of Phillips. Beltran has been a joke since May 1st, while Phillips has been elite among 2nd baseman all year. Nice to see him get the slam today while Beltran continues to struggle (except for the hit-and-run he just had).

[Matt700wlw]

Got out of it!

[MrCinatit]

Once again - another very good double play.

[Eric_Davis]

Once again - another very good double play.

It's quite common to see now, isn't it? The lack of DP's the first month of the year (last in the league) was perplexing.

[Falls City Beer]

Haven't seen it anywhere, but the token Pirate that took Brandon Phillips' spot on the All-Star game wasn't as bad as Beltran being an All-Star instead of Phillips. Beltran has been a joke since May 1st, while Phillips has been elite among 2nd baseman all year. Nice to see him get the slam today while Beltran continues to struggle (except for the hit-and-run he just had).

Beltran's numbers are down this year, but considering he plays in Shea, I'd say 16 homers, .815 OPS is pretty solid for a CF who plays solid defense.

[Eric_Davis]

Beltran's numbers are down this year, but considering he plays in Shea, I'd say 16 homers, .815 OPS is pretty solid for a CF who plays solid defense.

.815 OPS is horrible for an All-Star. There's not a position called "CF" in the All-Star voting. It's just "Outfielder", and his .812 OPS currently ranks him 16th among National League Outfielders. He had no business being in the All-Star game.

[Red in Chicago]

I'm loving the riveting conversation regarding Keith's facial hair tonight:rolleyes:

[BCubb2003]

I'm loving the riveting conversation regarding Keith's facial hair tonight:rolleyes:

Their little promotional cartoons are kind of creepy.

[Matt700wlw]

What's the difference between a baseball guy and a baseball man?

Brantley said MacKanin is a "baseball man"

[Red in Chicago]

Nice slide by Freel into Reyes

[BCubb2003]

What's the difference between a baseball guy and a baseball man?

Brantley said MacKanin is a "baseball man"

Baseball dude?

[MrCinatit]

Maybe Narron was just a basketball guy, then - since he seemed to be content on putting the best five guys on the field instead of the best nine.
<insert drum roll here>

Phillips comes through again with a seeing-eye single.

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips!

[CrackerJack]

Are you kidding me? BP with another RBI for 5

[KronoRed]

Baseball dude?

Baseball hombre?

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe Narron was just a basketball guy, then - since he seemed to be content on putting the best five guys on the field instead of the best nine.
<insert drum roll here>


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[Eric_Davis]

Infield in for Dunn.

I hope he drills somebody.

[wally post]

baseball hombre! yeah!

is it just me, but why didn't Hopper take second on that fly ball that was thrown to third as Freel tagged. If he had done that, we'd have another run right now. He also hesitated on the BP groundball... why???
coaches? McFly???

[Eric_Davis]

Game to be broken open here by Hatteberg.

[Eric_Davis]

baseball hombre! yeah!

is it just me, but why didn't Hopper take second on that fly ball that was thrown to third as Freel tagged. If he had done that, we'd have another run right now. He also hesitated on the BP groundball... why???
coaches? McFly???

It's not you, it's Hopper.

Bummer on the Hatteberg Popout.

[CrackerJack]

good ole fashion butt whippin yet?

[MrCinatit]

Gonzo turns this into a good ol' good one.

[wally post]

I'm feeling pretty good about this now with our ace on the mound

[BCubb2003]

Sinking of the Maine.

[Eric_Davis]

Maybe yesterday was just the All-Star glitch where everyone is out of sinc and now they're back to being Mack's Machine.

[Ltlabner]

"Mr. All or Nothing" picks the exact right time to produce all instead of nothing.

[CTA513]

Gonzalez with a nice play on a hard hit ground ball by Gotay.

[Falls City Beer]

Sinking of the Maine.

The guy's in uncharted waters--first time he's thrown more than 90 innings in a season.

[Matt700wlw]

6 RBIs for Phillips.

Wow.

[BCubb2003]

6 RBIs for Phillips.

Wow.

It's almost Whitenesque

[Falls City Beer]

.815 OPS is horrible for an All-Star. There's not a position called "CF" in the All-Star voting. It's just "Outfielder", and his .812 OPS currently ranks him 16th among National League Outfielders. He had no business being in the All-Star game.

Yeah, it's part reputation that gets you in, but his being a centerfielder should, in my mind, be a consideration when voting.

[Larry Schuler]

Reds need to save some offense for tomorrow.

[deltachi8]

AD, 4 times in base...that doesn't suck much

[Falls City Beer]

Mike Pelfrey = Homer Bailey?

[Eric_Davis]

Phillips is really putting together quite a season at 2nd Base.

Not counting tonight's HR, Double, Single and 6 RBI's, here's his rankings at 2nd Base this year:

Homeruns........1st in MLB
Slug Pct..........2nd in MLB
RBIs...............2nd in MLB
Runs...............4th in MLB, 3rd in NL
Hits................2nd in NL
SB's................1st in NL
3B's................5th in MLB
Total Bases......2nd in MLB
HBP.................2nd in MLB
FLD PCT...........2nd in NL
Range Factor.....2nd in NL
Zone Rating.......3rd in NL
Double Plays......1st in NL (That's Double-Plays Defensively)
Putouts.............2nd in MLB

But, no All-Star appearance. He and Harang get redemption tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Reds need to save some offense for tomorrow.

And Sunday

[KronoRed]

AD, 4 times in base...that doesn't suck much

Considering who is batting behind him I'm glad to see he's taking the walks and not getting himself out on bad pitches

[Eric_Davis]

Yeah, it's part reputation that gets you in, but his being a centerfielder should, in my mind, be a consideration when voting.

On reputation he gets in as he's one of the best. But, I always hate how New York Mets players get so much ink. They are always overated, just like was predicted here at the beginning of the season that 2/3rd's of New York's outfielders would miss significant playing time, making them ineffective, not to mention how old they are which would make them also ineffective, yet all the publications out there had there's to be the best in the NL. Well, it's not the case and shouldn't have been at the beginning of the year. Of course, Shawn Green would be injured and ineffective. Of course Moises Alous would be injured and ineffective, too.

[Matt700wlw]

Harang at 105 pitches....

[Eric_Davis]

Nice play Freel.

I missed the beginning of the game.

Why isn't Edwin playing?

[oneupper]

Just got in. Looks like pitching around Griffey and Dunn didn't work tonight for the Mets.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice play Freel.

I missed the beginning of the game.

Why isn't Edwin playing?

Don't know

[oneupper]

Ross hitting all of .115 in July.

[BCubb2003]

Reds have 12 losses when leading after six.

[oneupper]

Valentin to hit for Harang. Hernandez criticized the move.

I like it.

[NJReds]

Reds have 12 losses when leading after six.

No other team has more than 9.

[NJReds]

Valentin to hit for Harang. Hernandez criticized the move.

I like it.

Hernandez's point was that he wants 7 innings from the ace, particularly because of how awful the Reds bullpen has been this year.

[oneupper]

Hernandez's point was that he wants 7 innings from the ace, particularly because of how awful the Reds bullpen has been this year.

Yeah....but I thought that "The REDS have nothing to lose". ;)

[NJReds]

Yeah....but I thought that "The REDS have nothing to lose". ;)

Good point.

[CTA513]

Coutlangus gets two outs and then walks the next two batters.

[CTA513]

Stanton gets Delgado to pop out to Hatteberg for the 3rd out.

Reds winning 8-3 after 7 innings.

[Eric_Davis]

Nice move by Mack bringing in Stanton vs. Beltran even though lefties have pounded him this year.

No runs given up in the 7th was huge towards getting this win tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Former Red on the mound..

[BCubb2003]

Edwin Encarnacion in as a defensive replacement.

[Matt700wlw]

Edwin Encarnacion in as a defensive replacement.

I hope they haven't decided that to be his new role

[CrackerJack]

Phillips is really putting together quite a season at 2nd Base.

Not counting tonight's HR, Double, Single and 6 RBI's, here's his rankings at 2nd Base this year:

Homeruns........1st in MLB
Slug Pct..........2nd in MLB
RBIs...............2nd in MLB
Runs...............4th in MLB, 3rd in NL
Hits................2nd in NL
SB's................1st in NL
3B's................5th in MLB
Total Bases......2nd in MLB
HBP.................2nd in MLB
FLD PCT...........2nd in NL
Range Factor.....2nd in NL
Zone Rating.......3rd in NL
Double Plays......1st in NL (That's Double-Plays Defensively)
Putouts.............2nd in MLB

But, no All-Star appearance. He and Harang get redemption tonight.

Undisciplined hot dog.

[Matt700wlw]

Well that was little league...

Error charged on that play...that's odd....but I agree with the call

[deltachi8]

Considering who is batting behind him I'm glad to see he's taking the walks and not getting himself out on bad pitches

Good point. I still wish for him to hit 2nd, but I'll take a 1.000 OBP anytime.

:D

[Matt700wlw]

Good thing this game isn't close because Mike Stanton does what Mike Stanton does.

[BCubb2003]

Good thing this game isn't close because Mike Stanton does what Mike Stanton does.

It is what it is.

[oneupper]

Good thing this game isn't close because Mike Stanton does what Mike Stanton does.

With a five run lead, you throw it up there and make them hit it.
Try not to walk people.

[BCubb2003]

With a five run lead, you throw it up there and make them hit it.
Try not to walk people.

That's definitely true. Except that it also happens with a one-run lead and two men on.

[Matt700wlw]

With a five run lead, you throw it up there and make them hit it.
Try not to walk people.

Yeah, that's true....had he walked a couple guys first we'd really be fuming.

[flyer85]

Ross can't hit ... Gonzo can't field

[Matt700wlw]

For the first time in history, the Reds got Gotay out.

[Eric_Davis]

Good comeback after last night's game.

They beat a great pitcher having a great year.

[BCubb2003]

Harang is 10-2 for the worst team in the NL.

[flyer85]

Harang is 10-2 for the worst team in the NL.not surprising since he has the best run support in the league.

[redsmetz]

Harang is 10-2 for the worst team in the NL.

Tom Seaver was 11-6 near the break for the last place Mets in 1967. Steve Carlton was 12-6 in 1972. I'm sure there are folks who could rattle off pitchers who had had steller years for stinky teams. I'm glad to see Harang doing so well thus far.

[CTA513]

According to C. Trent Rosecrans blog the official scorer took away the error that he gave Encarnacion in the 8th inning.

[Big Klu]

Good win! Harang is really showing that he has the makeup of an ace, and Brandon Phillips is a star in the making.

:thumbup:

[WVRedsFan]

I m issed tonight's game for a number of reasons, one of those being I wasn't home tonight, but I listened on the car radio.

It baffles me that we have a leadoff hitter who can score 3 runs while getting only one hit. When has that ever happened before? David Ross is back on the interstate. Does anyone else have a starting catcher who is hitting that poorly. Only one I can remember was way back in 1961 when the Reds, hurting for a catcher, put Johnny Edwards in the lineup and he hit .186 for the season. He didn't have Ross' pop, but he was the starter. We need a catcher. Bad.

I liked Mackanin's handling of Harang tonight. 107 pitches and out. Aaron didn't have his best stuff tonight, but got through 6 innings, stuck out 8 and proved he is one of the best in the league even with sub-par stuff. You can bet Narron would have had him in the game in the 7th to throw another 20 olr so pitches.

Why any manager in his right mind brings Mike Stanton into a game is beyond me. I guess the big lead was part of it, but the guy is Chris Hammond and many others like him--slow stuff that if timed goes yard. What Krivsky saw in him is a mystery. I hate that because he seems to be a nice guy and it really gets to him when he's not succesful. Coutlangus is improving with every appearance. He's a keeper.

Brandon Phillips is something. In Webster's dictionary under the heading "streak hitter", you might find Brandon's picture. He's hot right now so let's keep him in the top of the order. The challenge is to drop him when he goes into one of his funks.

All in all a good game and puts Pete at 6-2. He's making it too easy for Wayne Krivsky to appoint him manager for 2008 (which is what most of us didn't want), but as I said in this thread earlier, I have to wonder who would be better. If we are to look inward for managers (Boone, Miley, Narron, and Mackanin), who's better? I don't know, but maybe someone should look at that track record and do a real search for a manager. Accordingly, if Pete maintains his .750 winning percentage (making the Reds go 61-21 for a 92-70 season), who could deny him the job? Scary, isn't it?

[Ltlabner]

Did anyone else catch Brantly asking Fey in the 2nd inning why Moeller is even on the team? He even scoffed at the idea of Moeller as a pinch hitter. Fey stumbled around trying to offer up a reason but didn't really have any.

Glad to see we aren't the only ones that find Chad to be a waste of baseball space.

[oneupper]

Glad to see we aren't the only ones that find Chad to be a waste of baseball space.

Moeller is on the team because there is an empty roster space and pretty much no one else available.

DanO would have never brought Moeller up. He would have had them play with 24.

Methinks that since Kepp and Lopez are up, they should get a spot start or two. Gonzo could certainly use a rest (he looks hurt).

[deltachi8]

Moeller is on the team because there is an empty roster space and pretty much no one else available.



I think your right on that. Wise is injured and there really is no one else to call upon. Besides it's until Monday basically from what I can tell.