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RedLegSuperStar
07-15-2007, 11:14 AM
Freel cf
Hopper rf
Conine 1b
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Lopez ss
Ross c
Lohse p

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 11:16 AM
The good news Encarnacion gets a start. The bad news the 2 automatic outs are still batting 1-2 and with Junior gettting a day off Conine is batting 3rd.

RedLegSuperStar
07-15-2007, 11:18 AM
Why not put Dunn 3rd in the order? Give him a chance to be the run producer with Freel and Hopper at the top of the line-up. Sure shows a lot of faith in Adam...

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 11:19 AM
Why not put Dunn 3rd in the order? Give him a chance to be the run producer with Freel and Hopper at the top of the line-up. Sure shows a lot of faith in Adam...

Because he's not a run producer


:p:

RedLegSuperStar
07-15-2007, 11:26 AM
Because he's not a run producer


:p:

Hehe.. With that line-up though he has the most power to attempt a run or two.. that away you have Phillips behind him and you know the Mets are having a fit with him this series..

Gainesville Red
07-15-2007, 11:45 AM
C. Trent's makes it sound like we should be batting Sandler second and Kevin James third. Can't be much worse. Although Kevin James may be more suited for an AL team. That DH thing and all.

Kc61
07-15-2007, 11:46 AM
Lineup is graphic proof of the Reds' lack of right handed hitting.

oneupper
07-15-2007, 12:08 PM
Oliver Perez going for NY today.

Freel 9 for 23 has hit him OK
Dunn 4 for 16 2 HRs also
Griffey 2 for 15 5 Ks. Not so much.

Ross is 1 for 16, Valentin 0 for 8 and Moeller 1 for 12. Not much to choose there.

We should get the Tiger to rent us Casey for the Day.

11 for 27 vs Perez.

vaticanplum
07-15-2007, 12:25 PM
Who's Encarnacion?

oneupper
07-15-2007, 12:31 PM
Who's Encarnacion?

Juan's husband.

(wiki cleaned up Edwins profile, FWIW).

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 12:31 PM
Enconcepcion :D

edabbs44
07-15-2007, 12:31 PM
That 1-2-3 has got to be one of the worst I have ever seen.

I am seriously thinking that Narron had less to do with the lineups than everyone thought.

Patrick Bateman
07-15-2007, 12:47 PM
That 1-2-3 has got to be one of the worst I have ever seen.


Stat of the day:

Amount of road homeruns hit by the first three players in the order: 0 (246 at-bats)

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 12:59 PM
That 1-2-3 has got to be one of the worst I have ever seen.

10 years ago today:

Deion Sanders lf
Eric Owens cf
Lenny Harris 3b

WVRedsFan
07-15-2007, 01:00 PM
That 1-2-3 has got to be one of the worst I have ever seen.

I am seriously thinking that Narron had less to do with the lineups than everyone thought.Someone (I can't remember who--maybe one upper) nicknamed Pete, MacNarron. It should stick. We've had three straight managers who are totally infatuated with Ryan Freel as a leadoff man. He's simply not a leadoff man and everyone in baseball, from the XM guys to the local sportcaster can see he is not. No, the Reds don't have a true leadoff hitter, but Freel? Give me a break.

Of course, it begs the question, as edabbs hinted of, that someone other than Macklanin is dictating the lineups. I don't think so, but you never know. It just must be "old baseball guy syndrome", or something like that that makes them swoon over the Freels, Castros, Moellers, and Conines of the world. :D

RedsManRick
07-15-2007, 01:03 PM
If you missed my post in the splitting lefty threads,the following guys in todays lineup have a better OPS vL the last three years than does Jeff Conine.

1 Dunn .836
2 Encarnacion .823
3 Hopper .820
4 Ross .807
5 Freel .785

That's right, Conine is quite possibly the worst option to bat third in this lineup. Dunn should bat 3rd, EE 4th, Conine or Phillips 5th. Ridiculous! Pete, you aren't showcasing Conine's bat, your showcasing your inability to fill out a lineup card intelligently.

oneupper
07-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Someone (I can't remember who--maybe one upper) nicknamed Pete, MacNarron. :D

Yes. I will take credit for that.

pedro
07-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Someone (I can't remember who--maybe one upper) nicknamed Pete, MacNarron. It should stick. We've had three straight managers who are totally infatuated with Ryan Freel as a leadoff man. He's simply not a leadoff man and everyone in baseball, from the XM guys to the local sportcaster can see he is not. No, the Reds don't have a true leadoff hitter, but Freel? Give me a break.

Of course, it begs the question, as edabbs hinted of, that someone other than Macklanin is dictating the lineups. I don't think so, but you never know. It just must be "old baseball guy syndrome", or something like that that makes them swoon over the Freels, Castros, Moellers, and Conines of the world. :D

There isn't a manager in baseball who wouldn't lead off Ryan Freel and his lifetime .360 OBP were he to be in their starting lineup on any given day. So why don't you give us a break.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:10 PM
Line-up angst aside, the important thing today is for Lohse to have a good outing. My observation is that his streaks run in threes (I haven't gone back and analyzed that), so this should be his 3rd good start if that holds. After that, time to trade him because bad Kyle will be due to show-up soon and the Reds will be pushing their luck with his value if they kep him IMO.

I hope this is Lohse last start as a Red and a decent prospect is acquired in return.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:14 PM
Hopper with a walk? Get right with your maker. The apocalypse is upon us.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 01:16 PM
Lets make Perez throw a lot of pitches. Coming off rehab he will have a small pitch count today.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:18 PM
Conine hit it hard but Milledge catches the ball. 2 outs.

LINEDRIVER
07-15-2007, 01:19 PM
A hard hit ball off Conine's bat. A rarity in itself.

The King of bloopers, dribblers, nubbers, and ten-hop singles up the middle.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 01:19 PM
Ouch. Rookies....

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:19 PM
Perez may have a horrible pickoff move but he just picked off Hopper. 0-0 mid 1st.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:19 PM
Lovin that. How many outs have the Reds made on the bases this series?

RedsManRick
07-15-2007, 01:19 PM
Functional speed and baserunning acumen > empty speed. Ugh. They said it the other day when nobody came in to join the conference at the mound, this team plays like it's waiting to lose.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:20 PM
Nice.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:20 PM
Hopper gets picked off and is tagged out in a rundown.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:22 PM
Conine is everything he was advertised to be when we signed him:

Someone who should be out of baseball.

C'mon, Krivsky! Release the bum.

3 for his last 30 and only 25 RBI's on the season and he's always hit in prime spots in the batting order.

Where do the REDS brass get off thinking this guy can hit? He hasn't hit in literally years and all of a sudden at retirement age it's going to happen?

It's not right that the REDS be allowed to do this to those who pay money for REDS' tickets.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:22 PM
Infield hit for Reyes.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:24 PM
Conine is everything he was advertised to be when we signed him:

Someone who should be out of baseball.

C'mon, Krivsky! Release the bum.

3 for his last 30 and only 25 RBI's on the season and he's always hit in prime spots in the batting order.

Where do the REDS brass get off thinking this guy can hit? He hasn't hit in literally years and all of a sudden at retirement age it's going to happen?




Maybe the problem is the manager putting him in a role he shouldn't be in more than Conine not having anything left in the tank.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:24 PM
Reyes with an IF single. Hope Hopper is watching Reyes here on the bases.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:24 PM
The good news Encarnacion gets a start. The bad news the 2 automatic outs are still batting 1-2 and with Junior gettting a day off Conine is batting 3rd. Castro is a better hitter than Conine at this point in their careers.

Lohse and Arroyo are better hitters than both.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:25 PM
Gotay strikes out looking.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:25 PM
Beltran a .591 hitter against Kyle Lohse...

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:26 PM
Ross at it again!

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:26 PM
Ross throws out Reyes attempting to steal.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:26 PM
Wow. Gotta admit Ross is pretty good back there.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:26 PM
This franchise is a joke. I can't take it anymore.

Conine and Lopez, plus aged pitcher or two had no business putting on a REDS' uniform. Should have taken all that money and paid for one decent player and paid the rest of the change to league minimum rookies.

Most here at REDSZONE could run the REDS' franchise better.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Hopper gets picked off and is tagged out in a rundown.

I wonder if Mackanin will consider that an "agressive mistake"

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Reyes with an IF single. Hope Hopper is watching Reyes here on the bases.

Maybe Reyes was watching Hopper.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:27 PM
Beltran strikes out swinging. 2 Ks for Lohse. 0-0 after 1.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:28 PM
Good start for Lohse. I hope WK is on his cell.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:29 PM
If you missed my post in the splitting lefty threads,the following guys in todays lineup have a better OPS vL the last three years than does Jeff Conine.

1 Dunn .836
2 Encarnacion .823
3 Hopper .820
4 Ross .807
5 Freel .785

That's right, Conine is quite possibly the worst option to bat third in this lineup. Dunn should bat 3rd, EE 4th, Conine or Phillips 5th. Ridiculous! Pete, you aren't showcasing Conine's bat, your showcasing your inability to fill out a lineup card intelligently.

Conine should be batboy.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 01:29 PM
I wonder if Mackanin will consider that an "agressive mistake"

Sometimes with a left-handed pitcher with a bad move, the runner goes on the first move. If the pitcher guesses right and throws to first, you tip your cap to him and go back to the dugout. But if the runner guesses right, then he can literally steal second standing up.

HumnHilghtFreel
07-15-2007, 01:30 PM
Just thought I'd check in here to say that Ross has a cannon.

Carry on:)

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:30 PM
Phillips reaches on an infield hit and he goes to 2nd as Reyes throw goes into the stands.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:30 PM
Good start for Lohse. I hope WK is on his cell.

I hope it's charged...and can get service

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:31 PM
Phillips reaches on an infield hit and he goes to 2nd as Reyes throw goes into the stands.

Can't get thrown out stealing 2B that way. Dunn's up. Don't try for 3rd.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:32 PM
Dunn strikes out swinging.

Patrick Bateman
07-15-2007, 01:32 PM
This franchise is a joke. I can't take it anymore.

Conine and Lopez, plus aged pitcher or two had no business putting on a REDS' uniform. Should have taken all that money and paid for one decent player and paid the rest of the change to league minimum rookies.

Most here at REDSZONE could run the REDS' franchise better.

What has changed in the last month to completely turn your views on Krivsky.

It wasn't long ago that you went out of your way to say that he was way smarter than everyone on Redszone. I'm not trying to pick on you, but I just don't what has changed so much lately. The team has been bad since th start of the season.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:32 PM
Maybe the problem is the manager putting him in a role he shouldn't be in more than Conine not having anything left in the tank.

Absolutley. At-best, 75 at-bats for the year in pinch-hit roles only. Minimize the damage.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:34 PM
Encarnacion walks. 1st and 2nd.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 01:34 PM
This franchise is a joke. I can't take it anymore.

Conine and Lopez, plus aged pitcher or two had no business putting on a REDS' uniform. Should have taken all that money and paid for one decent player and paid the rest of the change to league minimum rookies.

Most here at REDSZONE could run the REDS' franchise better.

Lopez is a rookie.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:36 PM
Thom talking about the Reds needing to be aggressive on the bases. "Not a single runner has been thrown out when Perez is on the mound all year."

Evidently he was elsewhere when Hopper got caught.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:36 PM
Lopez fouls out to 1st.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2007, 01:39 PM
San Diego is looking for another starter. Kyle Lohse is having a decent year and would be a great fit in that ballpark. Lohse for one of their hitting prospects would be a nice deal for the Reds. I doubt they could get Headley for Lohse but Antonelli, Huffman, or Hundley are possibilities.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:39 PM
Ross strikes out. 0-0 mid 2nd.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:41 PM
What has changed in the last month to completely turn your views on Krivsky.

It wasn't long ago that you went out of your way to say that he was way smarter than everyone on Redszone. I'm not trying to pick on you, but I just don't what has changed so much lately. The team has been bad since th start of the season.

You're right. My view has changed on WK. Conine and Lopez not being released for ineffectiveness. Other franchises release in May and June agining veterans that don't disprove that their being signed was a good idea. Middle of July and we still pay them money to play. Other franchises give guys in AAA, even guys with OPS of .650-.750 a chance over geriatrics that can't swing a bat. Conine is 3-30. He's a bum. Castro is a bum.

Selling Harris for cash was as boneheaded of a move as you can make. I thought Harris was the 2nd best player in the trade, and we gave him away for nothing. I hated the choice of Morasco in the 1st Round and I didn't like the 2nd pick (supplemental pick), so in the last 15 months, I think Krivsky has been atrocious, except for Hamilton.

Oh, yeah. Letting the season completely tank itself before firing Narron. Why fire him at all if you're going to wait until the season is ruined? If he was bad enough to fire in July, why couldn't he recognize that and fire him in May or June when it might have mattered?

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:42 PM
Lopez is a rookie. Sorry, I meant Castro.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:43 PM
Wright singles to left.

WVRedsFan
07-15-2007, 01:43 PM
There isn't a manager in baseball who wouldn't lead off Ryan Freel and his lifetime .360 OBP were he to be in their starting lineup on any given day. So why don't you give us a break.

Why don't you look at his recent statistics? And, I don't appreciate you constantly talking down to me.

Patrick Bateman
07-15-2007, 01:44 PM
You're right. My view has changed on WK. Conine and Lopez not being released for ineffectiveness. Other franchises release in May and June agining veterans that don't disprove that their being signed was a good idea. Middle of July and we still pay them money to play. Other franchises give guys in AAA, even guys with OPS of .650-.750 a chance over geriatrics that can't swing a bat. Conine is 3-30. He's a bum. Castro is a bum.

Selling Harris for cash was as boneheaded of a move as you can make. I thought Harris was the 2nd best player in the trade, and we gave him away for nothing. I hated the choice of Morasco in the 1st Round and I didn't like the 2nd pick (supplemental pick), so in the last 15 months, I think Krivsky has been atrocious, except for Hamilton.

Oh, yeah. Letting the season completely tank itself before firing Narron. Why fire him at all if you're going to wait until the season is ruined? If he was bad enough to fire in July, why couldn't he recognize that and fire him in May or June when it might have mattered?


Most of these mistakes were made at the beginning of the year. It's not like Conine/Castro have done much worse than anyone really thought.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:44 PM
Delgado walks on 4 pitches. 1st and 2nd.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:45 PM
Lohse putting his feet to the fire in this inning...

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:46 PM
Most of these mistakes were made at the beginning of the year. It's not like Conine/Castro have done much worse than anyone really thought.

Yep. Krivsky's issues aren't completely centered around who he doesn't release. It's more about acquiring them to begin with.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Here we go....

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Castro with a ground rule double to center. 1-0 Mets. 2nd and 3rd.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Ground rule double scores Wright. Runners at 2nd and 3rd.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
BP's got hops.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Lohse is lucky that ball bounced over the wall...

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
Newhan lines out to 2nd. Good catch by Phillips.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Bad Kyle back a start early. That play by Phillips and the CS in the 1st have saved him from being blown out.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Bad Kyle made the plane trip to New York

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Phillips with a spectacular leaping grab! Robs the Mets of two runs there.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 01:49 PM
bad Kyle is pitching today

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 01:49 PM
Lohse is getting rocked. Milledge doubles to right. 3-0 Mets.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:50 PM
Milledge with a two run double. Sigh...

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2007, 01:50 PM
I hope Wayne didn't hang on to Lohse too long...

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:50 PM
Kyle Lohse is the most hair pulling, frustrating pitcher ever.


(maybe not ever)

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:51 PM
I hope Wayne didn't hang on to Lohse too long...

I don't think other teams are fully convinced on what he's worth yet...

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:52 PM
If Lohse can get Reyes, he may be able to salvage this start. Fingers crossed.

BCubb2003
07-15-2007, 01:52 PM
Mets announcers are blasting the Reds outfielders for misplaying those

vaticanplum
07-15-2007, 01:52 PM
I thought Oliver Perez was going to be one of the most dangerous pitchers of his generation, BTW. I did not call that one very well.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 01:52 PM
I wish someone could count up the number of times Keith has said "And that's why the Reds are in last place".

westofyou
07-15-2007, 01:52 PM
Kyle Lohse is the most hair pulling, frustrating pitcher ever.


(maybe not ever)

Bruce Berenyi

BCubb2003
07-15-2007, 01:53 PM
I wish someone could count up the number of times Keith has said "And that's why the Reds are in last place".

There are numerous reasons.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:53 PM
I hope Wayne didn't hang on to Lohse too long...

He did. Shoulda traded him last winter when the pitching market was haywire.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 01:53 PM
This game's over.

Of the 9-1-2-3 hitters, Lohse is the best hitter right now. The only way they can get runs is if Dunn homers twice, Ross homers twice and Phillips homers twice.

Krivsky better hire the right manager or 2008 should be his last year.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 01:54 PM
This game's over.

Of the 9-1-2-3 hitters, Lohse is the best hitter right now. The only way they can get runs is if Dunn homers twice, Ross homers twice and Phillips homers twice.
I was really rooting for Ross to walk so Lohse could get up with the bases loaded.

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2007, 01:55 PM
Mets announcers are blasting the Reds outfielders for misplaying those

Yep. It looked like Freel took a bad route to that ball.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:55 PM
This game's over.

Of the 9-1-2-3 hitters, Lohse is the best hitter right now. The only way they can get runs is if Dunn homers twice, Ross homers twice and Phillips homers twice.

Krivsky better hire the right manager or 2008 should be his last year.

ED. Your posts are about as Bi-polar as Lohse pitching. You chastised many of us for saying the same types of things in December. Welcome to the dark side.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 01:57 PM
Bruce Berenyi

Unhittable one moment. Unwatchable the next.

mth123
07-15-2007, 01:58 PM
Clock seems to have struck midnight on Ryan Freel this year.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 01:59 PM
Does anyone on earth believe the Reds will come back to win this one?

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 01:59 PM
Does anyone on earth believe the Reds will come back to win this one?

I'm sure somebody on Earth does....somewhere

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 02:00 PM
ED. Your posts are about as Bi-polar as Lohse pitching. You chastised many of us for saying the same types of things in December. Welcome to the dark side.

I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong. It happens too frequently. I just can't judge a G.M. of any company after 1-1/4 or 1-1/2 seasons. I can have an opinion, but I can't make a judgement. (Like my boss from my job where many good people left before me, but I gave it a longer chance.)

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:00 PM
Clock seems to have struck midnight on Ryan Freel this year.

Yeah. He's definitely toast. I'm guessing the hard drinking and living hasn't helped.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:00 PM
We are lucky enough to see why the Twins gave up on Lohse.

BCubb2003
07-15-2007, 02:00 PM
Maybe after all the concussions, Freel should just swing at the ball in the middle.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:00 PM
1-2-3 inning for Perez. 3-0 Mets mid 3rd.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:02 PM
I'm always willing to admit I'm wrong. It happens too frequently. I just can't judge a G.M. of any company after 1-1/4 or 1-1/2 seasons. I can have an opinion, but I can't make a judgement. (Like my boss from my job where many good people left before me, but I gave it a longer chance.)

Its ok. I'm wrong a lot too! Keep posting.:)

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 02:03 PM
PeLo!

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:04 PM
2 good plays by Lopez and Conine.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:04 PM
Pedro Lopez and Conine trying to help Lohse stat line. 2 outs.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 02:04 PM
PeLo!
yes! the nickname is catching on!

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 02:05 PM
Conine is actually putting on a pretty good defensive show today.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 02:05 PM
Pedro looks like he has a pretty good glove!

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:07 PM
An adventurous 1-2-3. Maybe Lohse will settle down a little and get through this start without being completely awful.

edabbs44
07-15-2007, 02:07 PM
This board should be subject to a schitzophrenia study, based on Lohse's starts. Amazing that earlier this week he was being nominated for a contract extension.

Patrick Bateman
07-15-2007, 02:09 PM
I think lohse has actually looked alright so far (overall). He just lumped together some poor at-bats.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 02:10 PM
Nice AB from Conine. I LIKE patience! Run up that pitch count....

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:11 PM
Wow.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 02:11 PM
25 for Dunn!

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
Is it me, or have the Reds been sliding harder attempting to break up double plays now than under Jerry Narron?

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
The only thing more frustrating than watching Kyle Lohse pitch is losing out on a sweet eBay BIN because mlb.tv glitches up your refresh rate while Kyle Lohse is pitching.

I'm blaming Lohse anyway.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
Wow. Dunn broke the scoreboard! :lol:

:dunn:

:jump:

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
Wow. What a bomb.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
Is there any sin worse than a first-pitch double or triple play?

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
Dunn homers and knocks out a piece of the scoreboard. 3-1 Mets.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:12 PM
Dunn broke the scoreboard.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 02:13 PM
take that Giants

vaticanplum
07-15-2007, 02:13 PM
:laugh: Dunn is awesome.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 02:13 PM
Wow!

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Adam Dunn - 223
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Barry Larkin - 198
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 188
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2007, 02:13 PM
That's gotta be 480+ feet.

BCubb2003
07-15-2007, 02:14 PM
It must have been Dunn's new bat, Wonderboy.

Too bad it wasn't a night game, with the sparks showering down on the field. That would be cool.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:14 PM
:laugh: Dunn is awesome.

Yup

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 02:14 PM
Is there any sin worse than a first-pitch double or triple play?

Only way it gets worse is if the runner sliding into 2nd to break it up gets hurt.....

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:15 PM
No, Dunn's worthless--he'll likely only bring a Twins' single-A reliever in return.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 02:15 PM
Broke the scoreboard. That's fantastic.

If someone had done that in Riverfront while Marge was the owner she'd have billed them for it.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:16 PM
This is the part of the game when Lohse surrenders four after his team has regained one.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 02:16 PM
Is there any sin worse than a first-pitch double or triple play?

Or if the next batter hits one out....

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:16 PM
Another 4 pitch walk to Delgado.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 02:17 PM
Conine is actually putting on a pretty good defensive show today.

He's always been good defensively. That's why I could live with him as a bench player that NEVER starts, but only gets late defensive replacement duties and pinch-hit appearances. But, 37 starts on the year?!!! and all in the 3-6 hole?

As #4 hitter......(.664 OPS)
As #5 hitter......(.637 OPS)
As #6 hitter......(.929 OPS, but only 3 RBI's in 26 PA's...not clutch...and he's probably protecting, if you want to call it that, Dunn right here)

Bottom line is 2/3rd's of all of his at-bats have been in the #4 hole probably hitting between Junior and Dunn, and you wonder why we can't hit in the clutch. Maybe because of the lineup and they can easily pitch around Junior and Dunn.

Mackinen is as bad as Narron. He'll have, oh, wait, he does have, these guys playing back to the way they were with Narron.

The REDS' players have to hate these managers they keep trotting out there. Their spirits were up for a short time when they got rid of Narron, only to have them shattered through the Narron II.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:17 PM
I call Milledge with a three-run jack.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:17 PM
No, Dunn's worthless--he'll likely only bring a Twins' single-A reliever in return.

I think he'd bring a bit more than that.....just a bit ;)

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:17 PM
Very smart pitching by Lohse to give up a 4 pitch walk after the Reds score a run.

:thumbup:

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 02:18 PM
This game's over.

Of the 9-1-2-3 hitters, Lohse is the best hitter right now. The only way they can get runs is if Dunn homers twice, Ross homers twice and Phillips homers twice.

Krivsky better hire the right manager or 2008 should be his last year.

There's one.

We need five more by Ross, Phillips, and Dunn.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:18 PM
I think he'd bring a bit more than that.....just a bit ;)

Ask around this board--you'd be surprised....

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:19 PM
Ask around this board--you'd be surprised....

I've seen it...

I don't think he'll bring as much as some people think he should (legit #1 starter), nor will be bring as little as other people think (low minor league prospect).

A lot of that is his contract situation, too....

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 02:20 PM
Pedro looks like he has a pretty good glove!


Cool!

I needed to post something positive.

It's amazing what a younger guy can do over a veteran if given a chance.

When Castro is ready to come off the DL, I hope Keppinger stays and Juan just gets released.

pedro
07-15-2007, 02:21 PM
Cool!

I needed to post something positive.

It's amazing what a younger guy can do over a veteran if given a chance.

When Castro is ready to come off the DL, I hope Keppinger stays and Juan just gets released.


Pretty sure Castro is out for the year.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:21 PM
wow!

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:22 PM
Good catch by Freel. The defense is keeping Lohse in this game.

Kc61
07-15-2007, 02:22 PM
One thing this lineup shows is that the Reds must restructure to add some right handed bats. Griffey, Dunn, Bruce, Votto, Hamilton, currently Hatteberg, all lefties. Where is the team of Bench, Perez, and Foster?

Unless one enjoys 2 hits against Glavine and 2 hits against Perez so far.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:22 PM
Good play by Freel. Should have been easy for Dunn.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 02:22 PM
Freel with the diving catch. Reds are playing solid defense today.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:23 PM
Milledge flies out to the warning track in center. 3-1 Mets after 4.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:24 PM
I'm stunned that Lohse didn't lose concentration there. Pitching for a contract likely keeps him a good boy.

And again, Shea stadium's size saves another one.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:24 PM
Lohse living on the edge. He should be down about 10 -1 by now. The defense has really helped him.

vaticanplum
07-15-2007, 02:25 PM
Freel with the diving catch. Reds are playing solid defense today.

I feel a little funny inside when I get to hear things like that.

HumnHilghtFreel
07-15-2007, 02:25 PM
I call Milledge with a three-run jack.

Close, but no cigar

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:25 PM
Infield hit for Lopez. His first hit as a Red.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 02:26 PM
I already like PeLo more than Castro.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:26 PM
One thing this lineup shows is that the Reds must restructure to add some right handed bats. Griffey, Dunn, Bruce, Votto, Hamilton, currently Hatteberg, all lefties. Where is the team of Bench, Perez, and Foster?

Unless one enjoys 2 hits against Glavine and 2 hits against Perez so far.



Its getting the Reds closer to the #1 pick.

:thumbup:

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:26 PM
Close call

In GAB it's a two-run jack.

I'd normally be patting myself on the back for my near-mystical skill in prognostication, but that's the just Lohse being Lohse. Can't take any special credit for my near-call.

:devil:

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:26 PM
Pedro Lopez looks a little chubby for a SS. Maybe its just TV.

Eric_Davis
07-15-2007, 02:27 PM
Congratulations Lopez on your first Major League hit.

Have a cigar!

KronoRed
07-15-2007, 02:28 PM
I already like PeLo more than Castro.

I did before he ever got to town :D

pedro
07-15-2007, 02:28 PM
Mets announcers having an in depth discussion about the merits of the TV show The Addams Family. Keith Herdandez is a big John Aston fan. Who knew?

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:28 PM
Ross strikes out for the 2nd time. 5 Ks for Perez.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:29 PM
Keith Herdandez is a big John Aston fan. Who knew?

It's the mustache.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:29 PM
Ross strikes out for the 2nd time. 5 Ks for Perez.

Both times on pitches way out of the zone.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Lohse fails to get a bunt down and strikes out on the foul bunt attempt.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Ross picked up his 76th and 77th strike outs today.

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:31 PM
Freel grounds into a 6-4 fielder's choice. 3-1 Mets mid 5th.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:32 PM
The run producers are now 0-4 with a walk today.

Joseph
07-15-2007, 02:32 PM
How can this team have so many black holes in this line up? A leadoff IF hit, and the runner doesn't even get to second, much less score.

Thats terrible.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:32 PM
The run producers are now 0-4 with a walk today.

Dunn? :confused:

OnBaseMachine
07-15-2007, 02:32 PM
JTM got a brand new bag, folks.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Dunn? :confused:

Freel and Hopper.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:34 PM
JTM got a brand new bag, folks.

:barf:

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Perez leads off with a single.

KronoRed
07-15-2007, 02:36 PM
Wow I just noticed the top of the lineup

Good Lord.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 02:37 PM
Ok. The Mets announcers are awful. When having to choose between these guys and the Reds announcing crew, the only reasonable option is the mute button.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Nice play by Ricky Henderson

:laugh:

Reds Fanatic
07-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Reyes homers to right center. 5-1 Mets.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Well....crap on me.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:38 PM
These Mets' hitters aren't being fooled at all. They can read every pitch coming out of Lohse's hand--all it is is a matter of getting one in their wheelhouse.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:38 PM
Very good pitching by Lohse.

:thumbup:

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 02:39 PM
Lohse is certainly something

flyer85
07-15-2007, 02:39 PM
It is amazing how many low HR guys get dingers off the Reds. Reyes had 4 bfore this weekend.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:39 PM
Lohse is certainly something

I just don't know what.

KronoRed
07-15-2007, 02:39 PM
He's shining up nicely

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:39 PM
Gosling warming up

flyer85
07-15-2007, 02:40 PM
on Lohse, I honestly think WK plans on trying to keep him around

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:41 PM
on Lohse, I honestly think WK plans on trying to keep him around

I do too. Wayne's been brutally complacent since "the trade." He's going to take the safe train from now on--even if it costs him his job.

edabbs44
07-15-2007, 02:41 PM
on Lohse, I honestly think WK plans on trying to keep him around

That's why someone has to do something about WK before it's too late.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 02:42 PM
on Lohse, I honestly think WK plans on trying to keep him around

I can't wait to watch him do this next year.

:roll:

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:43 PM
I do too. Wayne's been brutally complacent since "the trade." He's going to take the safe train from now on--even if it costs him his job.

Safe Train? Kyle Lohse? That is about as risky as it gets IMO.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:43 PM
If Lohse doesn't have pinpoint control, it's like he literally becomes the worst pitcher in the universe. The guy has no plan B for pitching.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:44 PM
That's why someone has to do something about WK before it's too late.

He's a FA at the end of the year, isn't he?

If they re-sign him, I will fire Wayne Krivsky myself. There's no reason at all to do that.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:45 PM
Safe Train? Kyle Lohse? That is about as risky as it gets IMO.

Re-upping him for 5 million for two seasons is safe from Wayne's perspective.

I should have been clearer. It's "safe" from Wayne's perspective because he's a known quantity to Wayne. I doubt we see Wayne striking out adventurously at this deadline.

mth123
07-15-2007, 02:45 PM
Re-upping him for 5 million for two seasons is safe from Wayne's perspective.

I should have been clearer. It's "safe" from Wayne's perspective because he's a known quantity to Wayne. I doubt we see Wayne striking out adventurously at this deadline.

You're probably right.

Razor Shines
07-15-2007, 02:49 PM
He's a FA at the end of the year, isn't he?

If they re-sign him, I will fire Wayne Krivsky myself. There's no reason at all to do that.

All this time you've had that kind of power?

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:50 PM
All this time you've had that kind of power?

:lol:

I wish...that'd be cool :D

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:53 PM
Since Friday night, in which the Reds offense couldn't stop, they've collected 5 (now 6) hits.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 02:53 PM
Norris should just try to push bunt every at bat.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 02:55 PM
JB wants Hopper leading off and Freel batting second...Marty agrees.

I don't.

When they get on base, they can cause problems for the other team...however, they don't get on base consistantly enough to be your table-setters, in my book. Right now, there isn't a whole lot else to chose from, but I mean moreso for the future.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 02:55 PM
Young Body should grow a Village People stache.

Tom Servo
07-15-2007, 02:57 PM
BP cannot be stopped.

Razor Shines
07-15-2007, 03:00 PM
He didn't have to run that one out.

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:01 PM
JB wants Hopper leading off and Freel batting second.one of the two needs to be on the bench. With Freel no longer getting any walks they are basically the same player

mth123
07-15-2007, 03:01 PM
Wow. That rally died quickly.

Razor Shines
07-15-2007, 03:02 PM
one of the two needs to be on the bench. With Freel no longer getting any walks they are basically the same player

Yeah Hopper even got picked off today, he's really trying to be like Freel.

mth123
07-15-2007, 03:02 PM
one of the two needs to be on the bench. With Freel no longer getting any walks they are basically the same player

Except Hopper is still cheap. Trade Freel ASAP.

KronoRed
07-15-2007, 03:03 PM
one of the two needs to be on the bench. With Freel no longer getting any walks they are basically the same player

Yep, backup OF's the both of them

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:03 PM
Except Hopper is still cheap. Trade Freel ASAP.I agree, without the walks he really is a black hole on offense no matter where you play him

vaticanplum
07-15-2007, 03:04 PM
Young Body should grow a Village People stache.

That would make my season.

corkedbat
07-15-2007, 03:07 PM
Conine has the most starts in the 4-hole??! And we wonder why this team is in baseball hell. :bang:

RedsManRick
07-15-2007, 03:07 PM
"Are you a home run hitter or a run producer?" Question by Reds announcers.

4-6 on the Reds have only 106 RBI compared to 154 league average. Of course, their explanation is that the Reds aren't hitting with RISP. I posit that we are getting as many guys on base ahead of our 4-6 as most teams are... I'm sure if we only had Hopper leading off more like they suggest (3.3 P/PA -- "really makes the pitchers work"), we'd be better off.

It's one thing for announcers to miss things or have a different perception. It's another when they are blatantly wrong. Uggh!

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 03:07 PM
JB wants Hopper leading off and Freel batting second...Marty agrees.

I don't.


I don't think Freel should even be playing now. He is hitting .206 since returning from the DL. His OBP in that time is the same; he hasn't walked yet this month.

You simply can't have your lead-off or #2 guy have a .206 OBP. Either Freel is still suffering from lingering effects of his concussion, or he has just continued his decline that was apparent even before the collision.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 03:08 PM
That would make my season.

Is that chihuahua really driving? Please say yes.

mth123
07-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Coffey in the pen. He has always been awful with too much rest. He hasn't pitched in over a week. My prediction - this could get ugly.

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 03:10 PM
Damion Easley sort of reminds me of Furio from The Sopranos.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 03:11 PM
Coffey in the pen. He has always been awful with too much rest. He hasn't pitched in over a week. My prediction - this could get ugly.

He's been good when they're losing by a few runs

Falls City Beer
07-15-2007, 03:12 PM
Man, Easley has 8 dingers! Grip it and rip it.

mth123
07-15-2007, 03:13 PM
He's been good when they're losing by a few runs

I Hope you are right. I think if used correctly he's a decent pitcher. He should never get more than 2 days in a row off and he should never pitch more than 2 days in a row.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 03:16 PM
Mets have thrown nothing but lefties against us since Friday....

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 03:16 PM
How about that? Ross with a bunt single

mth123
07-15-2007, 03:17 PM
Ross with a bunt single. Moeller (oy vey) to PH.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 03:17 PM
"Are you a home run hitter or a run producer?" Question by Reds announcers.

4-6 on the Reds have only 106 RBI compared to 154 league average. Of course, their explanation is that the Reds aren't hitting with RISP. I posit that we are getting as many guys on base ahead of our 4-6 as most teams are... I'm sure if we only had Hopper leading off more like they suggest (3.3 P/PA -- "really makes the pitchers work"), we'd be better off.

It's one thing for announcers to miss things or have a different perception. It's another when they are blatantly wrong. Uggh!

Right now the 4-6 hitters for the Reds have 150 RBIs.
That will probably change next game when we see another different lineup.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 03:17 PM
Moeller pinch hitting when down by 3 and promply grounds into a double play.

He serves no purpose on this baseball team.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 03:18 PM
ARRRGGGHHH! For pete's sake.

Chad Moeller must go! That is twice a lead-off hit has been wasted by the next player hitting a 5-4-3 on the very first pitch of the AB.

CTA513
07-15-2007, 03:18 PM
Smart decision to use one of the worst hitters on the Reds to pinch hit.

:thumbup:

KronoRed
07-15-2007, 03:18 PM
Mets have thrown nothing but lefties against us since Friday....

Look at how the Reds react to it

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:19 PM
chad moeller as a PH, this team is full of cruel jokes. The sole reason for the LHP was to keep Jr, Hatt and Valentin on the bench and Pete went with it.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 03:20 PM
chad moeller as a PH, this team is full of cruel jokes. The sole reason for the LHP was to keep Jr, Hatt and Valentin on the bench and Pete went with it.

Maybe he isn't a whole lot different than Narron...he just articulates better.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 03:20 PM
6 pitch inning there.

LoganBuck
07-15-2007, 03:20 PM
I LOATHE Chad Moeller

mth123
07-15-2007, 03:20 PM
chad moeller as a PH, this team is full of cruel jokes. The sole reason for the LHP was to keep Jr, Hatt and Valentin on the bench and Pete went with it.

I'd sooner use Arroyo. Where's Keppinger?

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:21 PM
Smart decision to use one of the worst hitters in baseball to pinch hit.

fixed

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:22 PM
Maybe he isn't a whole lot different than Narron...he just articulates better.I don't understand all love for RH/LH matchups when it means giving clearly inferior hitters the ABs.

HumnHilghtFreel
07-15-2007, 03:22 PM
Chad Moeller must go!

The sad thing is... he's gone... TWICE... and he just keeps coming back. You'd think one of his parents was a cockroach

CTA513
07-15-2007, 03:23 PM
I'd sooner use Arroyo. Where's Keppinger?

Who needs Keppinger when you can use Moeller?


:all_cohol

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:23 PM
I LOATHE Chad MoellerI loathe the front office that sees him as useful.

Tony Cloninger
07-15-2007, 03:24 PM
That is what i wish CW and TB would be asking.......and another thing....I HATE pitchers being reduced to 1 or 2 batters per game.
Give me some relievers who can go more than 1 or 2 batters or 1 inning.
Not that maybe the matchups called for it...more a complaint about the lack of good long relievers.

mbgrayson
07-15-2007, 03:26 PM
See Gotay did it RIGHT. After a 4 pitch walk, Gotay took a ball, then a strike before he even thought of swinging.

Matt700wlw
07-15-2007, 03:28 PM
I would use the pitching staff as pinch hitters before Moeller just to send a message.

Plus, maybe they could have dropped a bunt down to advance Ross into scoring position

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:32 PM
Don't think there is any doubt that Burton has the best stuff in the pen. His offerings move and dart all over the place.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 03:34 PM
chad moeller as a PH, this team is full of cruel jokes. The sole reason for the LHP was to keep Jr, Hatt and Valentin on the bench and Pete went with it.


I'd sooner use Arroyo. Where's Keppinger?

I also wondered why Mack didn't use Keppinger there.

I would rather see Valentin bat righty than use Moeller.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 03:36 PM
Don't think there is any doubt that Burton has the best stuff in the pen. His offerings move and dart all over the place.

Yeah, it's just he doesn't know where it's going to dart after he lets go of it.

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:37 PM
wonder what Pete is saving those LH PHs for? I guess the 9th inning and Wagner

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:39 PM
not sure how Pete could have managed the last 2 innings any worse.

Big Klu
07-15-2007, 03:40 PM
wonder what Pete is saving those LH PHs for? I guess the 9th inning and Wagner

I can see Conine hitting for himself, but I thought that a lefty (probably Hatteberg) should have PH for Hopper.

SteelSD
07-15-2007, 03:42 PM
I can see Conine hitting for himself, but I thought that a lefty (probably Hatteberg) should have PH for Hopper.

I'm not at all sure why the Reds shouldn't have used Hatteberg for Hopper and then Griffey for Conine. Makes little sense to me.

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:43 PM
I can see Conine hitting for himself, but I thought that a lefty (probably Hatteberg) should have PH for Hopper.Hopper has a .553 OPS against RHPs

HumnHilghtFreel
07-15-2007, 03:43 PM
203,000 attendees for this series. Must be nice.

flyer85
07-15-2007, 03:45 PM
I'm not at all sure why the Reds shouldn't have used Hatteberg for Hopper and then Griffey for Conine. Makes little sense to me.none whatsoever, saving lefties for the 9th and Wagner seems like a sure losing option. The 8th was the last best chance ... Pete let it pass without a whimper.