7/17/07 - Reds vs. Braves Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Reds
Freel cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Conine 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Ross c
Arroyo p

Braves
Harris lf
Renteria ss
CJones 3b
AJones cf
McCann c
Francoeus rf
Johnson 2b
Saltalamacchia 1b
Reyes

[dabvu2498]

Keppinger!

[Razor Shines]

Hey at least Conine isn't 4th. Still wouldn't mind seeing Dunn hit right after Griff, but apparently that's just a pipe dream.

[KronoRed]

We've run an odd group in the 2 spot this year

[BRM]

We've run an odd group in the 2 spot this year

It's the Reds way.

[BRM]

Someone is a huge Keppinger fan on Trent's blog. Check out this post.



On another note, I'm glad to see Keppinger finally get a start. I don't see any future for Lopez, and I think Keppinger is just the kind of hitter this team needs. I'd like to see him get a shot at 3rd - I think he would be an upgrade over EE. This team needs guys who are professional hitters and EE just hasn't shown consistency driving the ball the other way. Do you have any thoughts on Keppinger's future?

[dabvu2498]

Someone is a huge Keppinger fan on Trent's blog. Check out this post.

Trent is a huge Keppinger fan. Fellow UGa Bulldawgs.

[lollipopcurve]

Did Keppinger not STING that single to center last night? He's a fricking wasp with a bat.

I was hoping he'd get a start -- and maybe another tomorrow...

[pedro]

Christina Karl from BP had this bit of snark to add re: keppinger


—guys like Keppinger are sort of like the rum raisin pints in the freezer section of a grocery store TBNL—there always seems to be too much of him in stock, but that really doesn't mean you need to feel any compunction to contribute to the corporate cause of creating shelf space. No matter how hany singles he slaps, he's a freezer-burned shade of “Johnny Ray: the Immobile Years” if everything goes right.

[lollipopcurve]

Christina Karl from BP had this bit of snark to add re: keppinger

More and more, these snarky baseball journalistes remind me of gossip writers, preying on the weaknesses of people who have risen into the public eye (in the case of athletes, based on talent/merit). I have no respect for that kind of writing.

[KronoRed]

Someone is a huge Keppinger fan on Trent's blog. Check out this post.

Wow, a 27 year old with his 4th team and 186 at bats to his credit is already better then EE.

Wow.

[Joseph]

More and more, these snarky baseball journalistes remind me of gossip writers, preying on the weaknesses of people who have risen into the public eye (in the case of athletes, based on talent/merit). I have no respect for that kind of writing.

Couldn't agree more. Tabloid style journalism is not truly journalism. Opinions are great, the best part of life at times, but the snarkiness really needs to be checked at the door sometimes.

Keppinger is not a hall of famer in the making. We know it, he knows it, but he's typically hit for a good average no matter what position he's played. It's the fact he's not a DH type, but not the best fielder in the world that holds him back.

[pedro]

More and more, these snarky baseball journalistes remind me of gossip writers, preying on the weaknesses of people who have risen into the public eye (in the case of athletes, based on talent/merit). I have no respect for that kind of writing.

BP's gotten a little better as they've been burned a few times by trashing guys that ended up not being so bad but yeah, it's gets pretty tiresome.

[oneupper]

Glad to see Kepp get a start.

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger for Prez!

:D

[VR]

Reyes '07 numbers


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=457456

[oneupper]

Reyes '07 numbers


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=457456

And he can HIT, too...:eek:

[BRM]

For the record, I like Keppinger. If he is Castro's permanent replacement, I like him even more. I just thought that particular post claiming he was better than EE was a bit over the top.

[edabbs44]

Reyes '07 numbers


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=457456

Wow...AA to the show in one year? I think RedsZone would resemble Chernobyl if that happened in Cincy.

[cumberlandreds]

Keppinger is the new RZ Denorfia. :D

[pedro]

Even if Keppinger's career peters out I sense he has a future ahead of him as "Bud Man"

http://www.rainerherzog.com/images/images/beerstein/budman93.jpg

[VR]

I do like Keppinger's contact in the 2 hole...seems like he hasn't walked much in the minors though?

[oneupper]

Freel and his .394 OPS vs lefites pops up to short. One out.

[oneupper]

Keppinger grounds to short. Salty misses the throw but ump calls him out anyway. Bad call.

[Matt700wlw]

Braves trying to turn Saltalamaccia into a first baseman?

[oneupper]

Reyes bringing some heat.
Griff flies to LF. 1-2-3 for the REDS.

[oneupper]

Arroyo goes full to Harris and Ks. him

[oneupper]

Renteria Ks on a foul tip. Two down.

[pahster]

Salty and his .808 OPS batting 8th? Strange.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good start for Arroyo as he strikes out the side.

[Matt700wlw]

That was a sick curve ball

[oneupper]

Chipper goes to a full count and Ks

Bronson K the side. 18 pitches.

[Cyclone792]

Arroyo was nasty during that first inning, and I love every bit of it. Hopefully his arm survived the Narron Era, and now that we're post Narron Era hopefully Arroyo is handled well and provided an atmosphere in which to thrive.

[oneupper]

Phillips with a single to LF through the hole.

[oneupper]

Dunn grounds weakly into an easy DP. Two out.

[oneupper]

Conine works the count full and walks.

[oneupper]

Encarnacion grounds to third. Conine forced at second.

Mid 2nd 0-0

[oneupper]

Andruw ground to third. EE throws high but Conine jumps and comes down to nip the bag. One out.

[oneupper]

McCann walks.

[oneupper]

Francouer goes full and flies to Dunn. Two out,

[oneupper]

Kelly Johnson goes after the first pitch and grounds to second. Nice play BP.

End 2 0-0 BA at 30 pitches.

[oneupper]

Ross skies the first pitch to CF. One out.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo and Livingston > Moeller and Castro

[oneupper]

Arroyo lines a single to LF.
Five straight hits for REDS pitchers.

[oneupper]

Freel pops up the IF...again.

Lefties are busting him...Freel can't adjust.

[Reds Fanatic]

Keppinger hit it hard but right at Andrew Jones.

[oneupper]

Kepp with a solid liner to CF. Jones gets it. Three out.

[oneupper]

Rain starting. Salty lines to RF.

[oneupper]

Reyes with a one hopper to Kepp at short. Two out.

[oneupper]

Harris grounds one up the middle. Single.

[oneupper]

Renteria flies to Jr in the RF corner.

End 3 0-0

[Matt700wlw]

I wonder if the Braves will have to make a decision on Brian McCann or Jarod Saltalamaccia...

[oneupper]

Jr grounds to first. One out.

Reyes has good stuff Plus Reds can't hit lefties.

exept Phillips who lines one to LF. Single.

[MrCinatit]

I wonder if the Braves will have to make a decision on Brian McCann or Jarod Saltalamaccia...

I will take either one.

[oneupper]

Dunn pops one into CF. It falls. Two on. one out.

[Matt700wlw]

More awful baserunning skills by the Reds

[oneupper]

Phillips picked off trying for third. Two out.

[flyer85]

BP has started to channel Freel

[jojo]

I guess the B in BP doesn't stand for baserunner...

[oneupper]

Conine flies to deep LF. Harris with a good running catch.

Mid 4 0-0

[oneupper]

Chipper walks.

[flyer85]

conine did it backwards.

[Kc61]

Somebody ought to quietly sit Mr. Phillips down and tell him that all his fancy leads, bluffed starts, and dancing on the basepaths only hurts things. I don't remember Maury Wills or Lou Brock doing any of that stuff.

Somebody ought to tell Reds management that a right handed power hitter in the middle of the lineup might help against lefties.

[oneupper]

Conine makes a weird out on a ball A. Jones tried to not hit. One out.
McCann flies to Dunn. Two out.
Francouer called out on strikes. Three out.

End 4 zip-zip

[Razor Shines]

If Conine was going to try that he should have just thrown to 2nd before stepping on the bag. Pretty smart play by Chipper to just stay.

[jojo]

Somebody ought to quietly sit Mr. Phillips down and tell him that all his fancy leads, bluffed starts, and dancing on the basepaths only help things. I don't remember Maury Wills or Lou Brock doing any of that stuff.

Somebody ought to tell Reds management that a right handed power hitter in the middle of the lineup might help against lefties.

I think BP's humble period has about ended...

[oneupper]

EE skies one to SS. One out

[MrCinatit]

Thom asking if Jo-Jo is the only Jo-Jo to play in the majors.
He is not - there were at least three others - Moore, Morrissey and White.

Jo-Jo was also a man who thought he was a loner, but he knew it wouldn't last.

[oneupper]

Ross with a gapper to deep right. Francouer almost catches it. Double.

[oneupper]

Arroyo to bunt. I don't agree.

[oneupper]

JoJo was a man who thought he was a loner.

[oneupper]

Arroyo grounds to SS. Ross to third.

[jojo]

The Reds production from the 8th spot in their lineup is ranked 15th in the NL (.207/.251/.356). Just for comparison here's what they're getting from the 9th spot: .175/.221/.243.

Catcher has been a huge blackhole for the Reds.

[oneupper]

Freel walks.

[jojo]

All in favor of loading them for Jr, raise your hand....

[oneupper]

Keppinger takes the count to 3-1. Freel steals 2nd.

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger!

[MrCinatit]

Ah-ha...THAT is why Pete has Keppinger in the 2nd spot.

[oneupper]

Full count on Kepp and doubles down the line.

REDS 2-0.

[Kc61]

I officially want Keppinger on the Reds next year. He can play all over the infield, can play some first base against lefties, can even play the outfield in an emergency.

He can hit.

[oneupper]

Jr pops to CF on the first pitch.

Mid 5 REDS DOS ATL nada.

[oneupper]

Kelly Doubles to the RF corner.

[oneupper]

Aflac Question"

3 players with 100 RBIs in season and No RBI.

[Matt700wlw]

Saltalamaccia a .300 hitting catcher (technically)

Must be nice :)


Marty makes a point...the Braves aren't afraid to play Saltalamaccia at first base, to get his bat in the lineup even though he's a catcher by trade, while skipping AA, but the Reds keep saying Votto isn't ready. Marty says if he's a first baseman, then why are they playing him in left field? Get him up here, and put him at first base...that's what he is.


You know what...he's right. Joey Votto is a first baseman, let's keep it that way and bring him up....now. Quit trying to make him something else. If you want to do that....you don't do it in AAA...

[oneupper]

Salty Ks. One out.

[oneupper]

Incredible pop up drops between Freel Dunn and Kepp.

IMO they all had a shot.

[jesusfan]

Nice... Arroyo K's Harris... 2 down

[oneupper]

Harris Ks. Two out.

[Razor Shines]

Incredible pop up drops between Freel Dunn and Kepp.

IMO they all had a shot.

I'm guessing it was a lack of communication between Freel and Kepp. Which is not that surprising. I think Alex catches that fairly easily.

[jesusfan]

Renteria flies to Jr... 2-0 Reds... official game!

[oneupper]

Renteria flies to RF (warning track). Three out.

End 5 Rojos Zwei. Bravos Nichts.

[oneupper]

Aflac Answer

Dunn, Chili Davis and Nick Esasky (Bos).

[jesusfan]

BP flies to right... retired for the first time tonight..

[oneupper]

Phillips flies to RF. One out.

[oneupper]

Dunn grounds to first. Two out.

[Razor Shines]

Phillips flew out to right twice? Great.

[TeamBoone]

Turner Field always looks dark to me. Even with the stormy weather, the lights should be good enough for it to look like daylight.

[Eric_Davis]

I haven't been able to see the game. How's Keppinger doing at SS?

When they started putting him at SS back in May to prepare him for this, they stopped suddenly and I thought he'd never get the chance. I don't see why he can't learn the position.

[jojo]

If Jo-Jo would lose the hyphen, he'd probably pitch better...

[oneupper]

Conine grounds to third. Three down.

Mid 6 Roten 2 Krieger 0

[oneupper]

Chipper grounds to BP, who loses balance but throws him out.

[oneupper]

Andruw Ks. Two down, 7 Ks for BA.

[oneupper]

McCann hits one just foul down the LF line but ends up HBP.

[Eric_Davis]

Anybody watched the game and saw how Keppinger did at SS?

[oneupper]

Francouer Ks.

Arroyo at 88 pitches.

REDS 2 BRAVES 0 after 6.

[oneupper]

Anybody watched the game and saw how Keppinger did at SS?

Kepp has had only one or two hit to him. No problem, but not fluid like a SS.

[pedro]

Nice to see Arroyo doing well.

[Eric_Davis]

Tx 1-Up.

[oneupper]

Encarnacion with a .598 OPS in July steps in and singles to Cf.

[oneupper]

Ross singles to LF. Two on. No out.

[Eric_Davis]

What'd Arroyo go last time? 94-95 pitches?

[oneupper]

Arroyo to bunt. Sac works. One out. Second and third for Freel.

[oneupper]

Reyes Out.

Get back Jo-Jo. Go Home,

[oneupper]

Peter Moylan is your new braves pitcher.

[Matt700wlw]

"Jojo was a man who thought he was a loner
But he knew it wouldn't last.
Jojo left his home in Tucson, Arizona
For some California grass.
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged.
Get back Jojo. Go home
Get back, get back.
Back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back.
Back to where you once belonged.
Get back Jo."

[Kc61]

If a righty reliever, I would go for broke and hit Valentin or Hatteberg.

It's Moylan who is tough on righties. Not a double play situation.

Guess Pete disagrees. Freel up.

[oneupper]

Freel with a .798 OPS vs. RH. steps in.

[oneupper]

Freel goes to a full count and Ks.

Ughh.

[oneupper]

Keppinger goes full and walks. Bases loaded for Griffey.

[flyer85]

very nice AB by Keppinger

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey!!

[oneupper]

Junior swings at a ball and then the ump calls one.

...and two run single for Jr.

4-0 REDS.

[Eric_Davis]

Junya!

[oneupper]

Jr swipes 2nd.

[oneupper]

Phillips goes full and singles to RF.

6-0 REDS.

[Matt700wlw]

I thought the Braves were good?

:)

[oneupper]

Dunn lines one to RF. Three out.

Mid 7 Rossi Sei Bravi Zero

[oneupper]

Hopper to LF.

[oneupper]

Kelly Johnson grounds to first. One out.

[oneupper]

Salty flies to Freel. Two down.

[Eric_Davis]

Junior will probably end up at about 42 HR's and 108 RBI's and 90 Runs scored.

Hope he stays healthy for another couple of years.

[oneupper]

Thorman hitting for Moylan.
Goes full and Ks.

9Ks for Arroyo.
100 pitches.

Good job. Save him for '08 Mac.

[oneupper]

Tyler Yates in to pitch.

[oneupper]

Conine flies to RF
Encarnacion ground out to SS.
Ross Ks swinging.

Mid 8 6-0.

[oneupper]

Stanton in for Arroyo.

Good move Mac.

[Matt700wlw]

Awesome job by Arroyo!

[oneupper]

I really like the Braves announcers. Even-handed.

[oneupper]

Harris flies to Hopper. One out.

[Tom Servo]

I really like the Braves announcers. Even-handed.
Agreed, these guys are awesome. They know what they're talking about, like how Bronson's pitched better than his numbers show and how Dunn is truly an asset.

[oneupper]

Renteria chops one to third. EE slings it to first. Two out.

[oneupper]

Agreed, these guys are awesome. They know what they're talking about, like how Bronson's pitched better than his numbers show and how Dunn is truly an asset.

They might be a bit boring for home team fans. But for us visitors...they/re fine.

[KronoRed]

Perhaps a sweep to the lowly Reds will convicne the Braves it's time to panic and over pay for some help ;)

[oneupper]

Chipper with a single that Jr would have caught in his younger days.

[Matt700wlw]

Stanton is the ruler of men.

The King of his castle.

The God of Gods.

[oneupper]

Jones crushes one.

6-2.

[oneupper]

McCann singles to RF.

[Tom Servo]

Guess what inning :yikes:

[KronoRed]

Guess what inning :yikes:

No need to panic.

[oneupper]

Stanton goes to 3-0 vs Francouer.

[oneupper]

Four pitch walk.

Lost somewhere in the inning was oneuppers 5,000th post.

[Matt700wlw]

Can we get rid of Stanton now?

Cut him now....he's done. Kaput. Worthless. Useless.

[Tom Servo]

Oh good god

[CTA513]

Very good job by Stanton.

[oneupper]

Weathers warming up.

Johnson triples. 6-4 REDS.

[oneupper]

Ball was crushed but Freel took an awful route on it.

[smith288]

Im gonna chime in and bash Stanton here...

Stanton you bum!

[Gainesville Red]

C'mon Pete, get him outta there!

[Matt700wlw]

He's done. Get rid of him.

He can't even pitch with a 6 run lead!

[smith288]

Ball was crushed but Freel took an awful route on it.
Huh? He was as close as he was gonna get. That was a great attempt.

[oneupper]

Stanton's marketability now in question.

Lopez in on the double switch.

[Falls City Beer]

So much for Stanton's reverting to form.

[alloverjr]

So much for Stanton's reverting to form.

I think he's just done that ;)

[CTA513]

He's done. Get rid of him.

He can't even pitch with a 6 run lead!

He walked Francoeur on 4 pitches and thats pretty hard to do when its not an intentional walk.

[Tom Servo]

Why take EE out?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Time to sack up and admit another multi-million dollar mistake, Wayne.

[TeamBoone]

Oh man! This hurts... big time. I can't believe there was no one warming when Stanton came in. Just ridiculous that he was unable to pull him before getting to this point... and all with two outs. Actually, I can't believe he brought him in as there are other options.

Bronson has every right to get into someone's face if he loses another one because of the BP. The offense came through for him tonight.

[oneupper]

Huh? He was as close as he was gonna get. That was a great attempt.

That's they way I saw it.

[Tom Servo]

that was strike three

[Eric_Davis]

Stanton is the ruler of men.

The King of his castle.

The God of Gods.


The Crappe of Fish.

[oneupper]

Weathers goes full to Salty who lines a shot to Lopez.

6-4.

The eighth ends...mercifully.

[oneupper]

Soriano to pitch for the "not afraid to use the kids" Braves.

[TeamBoone]

Whew! I was so sure they were going to blow it.

Way to go Weathers.

[Matt700wlw]

Whew! I was so sure they were going to blow it.

Way to go Weathers.

And the Reds win this series (way to go guys)... sure would be nice to get the sweep tomorrow!

It's not over yet...it's the 9th now.

[Eric_Davis]

Why take EE out?

Absolutely Stupid! Why remove your best defensive 3rd baseman?

[TeamBoone]

It's not over yet...it's the 9th now.

Yeah, I know... I got ahead of myself. I thought it was the 9th.

[oneupper]

Lopez grounds out 3-1 for the first out.

[Eric_Davis]

Oh man! This hurts... big time. I can't believe there was no one warming when Stanton came in. Just ridiculous that he was unable to pull him before getting to this point... and all with two outs. Actually, I can't believe he brought him in as there are other options.

Bronson has every right to get into someone's face if he loses another one because of the BP. The offense came through for him tonight.

Maybe some insubordination and a 2-game suspension?:laugh:

[oneupper]

Freel with a double down the LF line. Brings his OPS for July up to .523.

[oneupper]

Kepp pops up to CF. Two out.

[oneupper]

Junior Walked Intentionally.

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey goes for career hit #2500 tomorrow!

[Eric_Davis]

A 5.34 ERA for a reliever is equivalent to about a 6.50 ERA for a starter.

Why keep doing that to the REDS fans? If you're going to have someone pitch horribly, let it be a young guy so he can get the experience.

[Matt700wlw]

A 5.34 ERA for a reliever is equivalent to about a 6.50 ERA for a starter.

Why keep doing that to the REDS fans? If you're going to have someone pitch horribly, let it be a young guy so he can get the experience.

Because they still have a chance....

:cool:

[oneupper]

Double steal. Jr was toast, but Johnson drops the ball.

[oneupper]

Phillips Ks.

The bottom of the ninth awaits.

REDS 6-4

[oneupper]

PH + Top of the order for the Braves.

[Eric_Davis]

Griffey goes for career hit #2500 tomorrow!

3 IBB's in 1st 2 games of this series.

[KronoRed]

Because they still have a chance....

:cool:

At the #1 pick :thumbup:

[Reds Fanatic]

That was close a long foul ball down the right field line by Diaz.

[oneupper]

Diaz hits one out foul.

[oneupper]

Single up the middle.

[oneupper]

Chipper and Andruw thinking walkoff.

[oneupper]

Weathers Ks Harris. One out.

[flyer85]

Reds mess up easy DP ... Chipper coming up

[oneupper]

Renteria grounds to short. Phillips bobbles the ball, but the force out is valid.

Whew. Two out.

[Eric_Davis]

Almost.

Let's go Weathers.

[oneupper]

Renteria to second indifferently.

[oneupper]

Chipper singles to center.

6-5 REDS.

[jojo]

why are we even sweating this one out?????????????/

[Matt700wlw]

Holy crap

[Eric_Davis]

Tic....Tic....Tic....

[Reds Fanatic]

Jones flies out. Reds win 6-5. :beerme:

[11larkin11]

Dunn wouldnt have made that catch...

:D

[RFS62]

Whoa - Oh - Oooohhh.... Bra..aves bloooow.

[KronoRed]

Come on Andruw..HACK!

[flyer85]

Andruw just barely missed one

[Eric_Davis]

....Tock

[oneupper]

Andruw flies to LF. Just missed it.

TOBTTR...finally.

[Matt700wlw]

Almost a complete meltdown

[guttle11]

I reallly thought that was a HR when it left the bat.

[Gainesville Red]

I thought it was gone off the bat.

Dodged a bullet that never should have been fired. Thanks Stanton.

[Eric_Davis]

Dunn wouldnt have made that catch...

:D

Narron would have made that catch. :laugh:

[oneupper]

The wind was blowing in hard from left earlier. Wonder if it wasn't a factor.

[Kc61]

May be time for a little talk with Stanton and his agent. . . .

[edabbs44]

Surprised that Narron wasn't somehow blamed for the bullpen implosion.

[Matt700wlw]

The Cincinnati Narron's would have lost that game

:D

[11larkin11]

Anyone thinks Keppinger reminds them as a young Hatteberg? Doesnt do really anything well except hit the damn ball.

[KittyDuran]

Almost a complete meltdownAnd then Bronson would have had a meltdown...:bang:

[edabbs44]

Anyone thinks Keppinger reminds them as a young Hatteberg? Doesnt do really anything well except hit the damn ball.

Scott Hatteberg?

[remdog]

I'm going to pick a nit here. With two outs the Reds let Renteria advance on 'defensive indifference'. The Reds have a catcher that throws out 40%+ but they let the runner advance without a throw. Had they thrown out the runner the ballgame was over so, to me, it's worth a try.

Even if you throw the ball into CF the runner will be at 3rd; not much difference from having the runner at 2nd. (shrug)

Take a shot, a pretty good shot actually considering who is running and who is behind the plate, and possibly end the ballgame right there.

Rem

[CTA513]

Surprised that Narron wasn't somehow blamed for the bullpen implosion.

Narron called Stanton and told him to pitch bad tonight.

[edabbs44]

I'm going to pick a nit here. With two outs the Reds let Renteria advance on 'defensive indifference'. The Reds have a catcher that throws out 40%+ but they let the runner advance without a throw. Had they thrown out the runner the ballgame was over so, to me, it's worth a try.

Even if you throw the ball into CF the runner will be at 3rd; not much difference from having the runner at 2nd. (shrug)

Take a shot, a pretty good shot actually considering who is running and who is behind the plate, and possibly end the ballgame right there.

Rem

Good point Rem. I watched the same thing tonight with Lidge on the mound. Kearns basically walked to 2nd with a 2 run lead with 2 out in the 9th.

[edabbs44]

Narron called Stanton and told him to pitch bad tonight.

Stanton is tipping a 40 in Narron's memory as we speak.

[oneupper]

I'm going to pick a nit here. With two outs the Reds let Renteria advance on 'defensive indifference'. The Reds have a catcher that throws out 40%+ but they let the runner advance without a throw. Had they thrown out the runner the ballgame was over so, to me, it's worth a try.

Even if you throw the ball into CF the runner will be at 3rd; not much difference from having the runner at 2nd. (shrug)

Take a shot, a pretty good shot actually considering who is running and who is behind the plate, and possibly end the ballgame right there.

Rem

The indifference was the first baseman playing back. In that situation, no throw gets Renteria.

I prefer some more range at 1B in that situation. The runner is irrelevant.

[wally post]

I'd like to sincerely thank all of you for this thread! I was working, but able to keep half an eye on the doings... whoa! I'm glad it worked out.
Kind of a Cardiac Kids game.

Note to WK: release Stanton after the trading deadline. Thank you.

[remdog]

The indifference was the first baseman playing back. In that situation, no throw gets Renteria.

I prefer some more range at 1B in that situation. The runner is irrelevant.

Thanks. If that's the case then I understand the play. Unfortunately, I had a filet mignon that needed to get off the grill right now! and didn't see that. :laugh:

Rem

[Big Klu]

Oneupper, thanks again for the play-by-play. I wasn't able to be in the game thread during the game tonight, but I enjoyed reading your PBP just now.

Bronson Arroyo pitched a great game, and David Weathers was able to put out the fire. Something has to be done about Mike Stanton, though.

Ken Griffey, Jr. just continues to amaze! I think we are seeing just how good a healthy Junior can be.

I also really like Jeff Keppinger. I think he can really help out the bench as the utility infielder. He is versatile defensively, and he can hit!



Why take EE out?


Absolutely Stupid! Why remove your best defensive 3rd baseman?

It wasn't stupid. It was a double-switch, because Mack wanted to keep Weathers in the game. (The 9-1-2 spots were due up in the top of the ninth, so Weathers would have been scheduled to lead off without the double-switch.) Yes, the Reds' best defensive 3B was taken out, but the best defensive SS (Lopez) entered the game in his place. The Reds could have taken Ross out in the double-switch, but that would have removed the best defensive catcher.

I don't have a problem with removing Encarnacion in this instance, because double-switches are sometimes a necessary part of the game.

[WVRedsFan]

The "baseball guy" mindset continues. After tonight's game, Mac was heard to say:

"I'm going to keep putting (Stanton) in those situations. He didn't pitch as well tonight as he wil in the future."

What? Are you blind, Pete? This guy has nothing but a slow curve that intelligent hitters will figure out the second time they see it. Let him be a positive clubhouse influence and keep him on the bench.

He can't pitch anymore.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

"I'm going to keep putting (Stanton) in those situations. He didn't pitch as well tonight as he wil in the future."

Pete better keep comments like that to himself and not act upon them or I may have to resign as his campaign manager.

[Matt700wlw]

"I'm going to keep putting (Stanton) in those situations. He didn't pitch as well tonight as he wil in the future."

What's supposed to change all of a sudden for a 40+ year old who clearly has almost nothing left in the tank? The best he'll do is tease you for a short few outings and then blow up like gasoline meeting a lit match.

[guttle11]

They can put him in all the 6-0 games they want, I don't care. He won't give up 4 or 5 runs every time. Just keep him out of the close ones.

[15fan]

The wind was blowing in hard from left earlier. Wonder if it wasn't a factor.

I was in the front row of the right field stands last night. I can guarantee that wind was not at all a factor last night.

The oppressive humidity, on the other hand...

[15fan]

The indifference was the first baseman playing back. In that situation, no throw gets Renteria.

I prefer some more range at 1B in that situation. The runner is irrelevant.

Along the same lines...

With the Reds up 2-0 in the 5th, Jo Jo Reyes (the pitcher) singled to put runners on first & third with one out and the top of the Braves lineup coming up.

With Phillips and Keppinger at DP depth, and Conine holding...the pitcher.., LH Willie Harris had a monstrously huge hole to hit through on the right side.

Seems to me that you forget about Reyes - he's not gonna try to swipe second under any scenario. He's a pitcher. It's basically going to take a triple to get him home. Instead, you pull Conine off the bag to close the gaping hole on the left side of the diamond.

[Matt700wlw]

They can put him in all the 6-0 games they want, I don't care. He won't give up 4 or 5 runs every time. Just keep him out of the close ones.

As long as "those situations" means blowouts and not the 8th inning, I can live with it.

However, I don't think we've seen the end of Mike Stanton in a close game.

[oneupper]

Along the same lines...

With the Reds up 2-0 in the 5th, Jo Jo Reyes (the pitcher) singled to put runners on first & third with one out and the top of the Braves lineup coming up.

With Phillips and Keppinger at DP depth, and Conine holding...the pitcher.., LH Willie Harris had a monstrously huge hole to hit through on the right side.

Seems to me that you forget about Reyes - he's not gonna try to swipe second under any scenario. He's a pitcher. It's basically going to take a triple to get him home. Instead, you pull Conine off the bag to close the gaping hole on the left side of the diamond.

I'll have to disagree on that one. JoJo is a young guy, who was used as PH the night before. He can probably run a bit.

Pull Conine off the bag and Jojo's taking second. I don't want to put the tying
run at second with one out.

With a wider lead...you can do that. Up only two, no way.

[Matt700wlw]

Wrong thread.

:doh:

[Reds1]

I love the Braves announcer on that last KO he said well if he didn't go around on the last check swing he sure didn't swing on this one and they showed the replay and he goes well he did. Yes, he did. It was funny. he was so sure of himself.

opps wrong game.

[Matt700wlw]

Dammit, wrong thread again

[guttle11]

Wow. What a blast.