7/19/07 - Reds vs. Marlins Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Reds (40 - 55)
5th in NL Central
Marlins (45 - 50)
4th in NL East

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. R Freel, CF .238 2 12 14
2. S Hatteberg, 1B .308 8 31 0
3. K Griffey Jr., RF .287 24 65 6
4. B Phillips, 2B .283 19 59 17
5. A Dunn, LF .257 26 63 8
6. J Valentin, C .253 1 14 0
7. E Encarnacion, 3B .261 6 37 6
8. P Lopez, SS .211 0 0 0
9. M Belisle, P .111 0 1 1

Starting Lineup

Name AVG HR RBI SB
1. H Ramirez, SS .328 15 39 27
2. D Uggla, 2B .242 17 54 2
3. M Cabrera, 3B .329 22 66 0
4. M Jacobs, 1B .275 6 19 0
5. J Willingham, LF .257 14 60 4
6. J Hermida, RF .242 9 30 2
7. M Olivo, C .240 7 37 2
8. A Amezaga, CF .274 2 23 11
9. S Mitre, P .130 0 0 0

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
M Belisle 5 6 5.02 1.39 73

Starting Pitcher
Name W L ERA* WHIP K
S Mitre 4 4 2.81 1.22 58


Freel continues to bat leadoff despite being 3 for 29 on this road trip.

[BRM]

Freel continues to bat leadoff despite being 3 for 29 on this road trip.

He's fast.

[CTA513]

Freel should try and bunt for some base hits tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Freel should try and bunt for some base hits tonight.

That's Hopper's MO

[oneupper]

I'll be going tonight if the weather's ok.

Shame no Ross. He's got 5 HR in my last 3 REDS games.

On the lineup:

MacNarron insists in splitting Griff and Dunn with Phillips. It was and continues to be a bad idea.

nm

[BRM]

Courtesy of C. Trent.



Just FYI, Adam Dunn is actually on the field right now. Wearing a Reds hat. But maybe he was traded to the Longhorns, though, because he's wearing a Texas T-shirt.

[Red Leader]

Just FYI, Adam Dunn is actually on the field right now. Wearing a Reds hat. But maybe he was traded to the Longhorns, though, because he's wearing a Texas T-shirt

He's secretly lobbying to be traded to Houston. Right, astrobuddy?

[CTA513]

He's secretly lobbying to be traded to Houston. Right, astrobuddy?

To the Houston Texans so he can be the starting QB.

[flyer85]

Freel continues to bat leadoff despite being 3 for 29 on this road trip.it's all the BBs he's drawing :rolleyes:

[BRM]

it's all the BBs he's drawing :rolleyes:

1 walk on the current road trip. Wow.

[CTA513]

1 walk on the current road trip. Wow.

1 walk in July

[flyer85]

1 walk in July
must be channeling Gonzo

[Chip R]

He's secretly lobbying to be traded to Houston. Right, astrobuddy?


If he's wearing a UT shirt, maybe he wants to be traded to Round Rock. ;)

[KronoRed]

He's fast.

Call me when he steals 1st

[WVRedsFan]

Freel is a disease caught by managers of all kinds. He just looks good when he hustles, even if he's always out at first.

On the road trip he is 3-29 (.103), scoring 6 runs, walking once and striking out 6 times.

In the last ten games, he's 8-42 (.190), scoring 8 runs, no walks and 8 strikeouts.

This is a leadoff hitter?

[westofyou]

Man... do you guys eat your young too?

[Matt700wlw]

I vote for a 9 inning ball game today

[Matt700wlw]

Should be fun to watch a team like the Marlins....a lot of good young players.

They do it right...build it, win it, blow it up...build it, win it, blow it up.....

[pedro]

Freel is a disease caught by managers of all kinds. He just looks good when he hustles, even if he's always out at first.

On the road trip he is 3-29 (.103), scoring 6 runs, walking once and striking out 6 times.

In the last ten games, he's 8-42 (.190), scoring 8 runs, no walks and 8 strikeouts.

This is a leadoff hitter?

I prefer to look at a guys career rather than the last ten games but that's just me I guess.

I could just as easily say "this is analysis?"

[Matt700wlw]

Where's George?

[Tornon]

George Grande on the bereavement list.. who is Michael Reghi?

[Big Klu]

Hey, who's the new guy with Chris Welsh?

[pedro]

Should be fun to watch a team like the Marlins....a lot of good young players.

They do it right...build it, win it, blow it up...build it, win it, blow it up.....

I hate the way they do it myself.

[Matt700wlw]

I hate the way they do it myself.

It's worked....can't argue with results.

more than any of us can say about the way the Reds have done things.

[Gainesville Red]

I'm fired up!

Reds on FSN Florida. No Buffering, unexplained freeze-ups. Can turn the volume up as loud as I please. Don't have to watch the mlb.com commercial screen over and over again.

I wish we played the marlins/D-rays more often.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm fired up!

Reds on FSN Florida. No Buffering, unexplained freeze-ups. Can turn the volume up as loud as I please. Don't have to watch the mlb.com commercial screen over and over again.

I wish we played the marlins/D-rays more often.

May have a better record ;)

[Gainesville Red]

How bout the gamethread w/o delay? Hell I could even participate in chat w/o spoiling the action if I wanted to.

Hell of a day to be alive.

[Matt700wlw]

How bout the gamethread w/o delay? Hell I could even participate in chat w/o spoiling the action if I wanted to.

Hell of a day to be alive.

You're easily pleased :)

[pedro]

It's worked....can't argue with results.

more than any of us can say about the way the Reds have done things.

meh, we'll see how soon they get back to playoffs, I think it's going to be a lot longer than people here think.

If the Reds did what they did the stadium would be empty.

[Big Klu]

meh, we'll see how soon they get back to playoffs, I think it's going to be a lot longer than people here think.

If the Reds did what they did the stadium would be empty.

Looks like Joe Robbie Stadium (or whatever they call it nowadays) is exactly that.

[Gainesville Red]

It was pretty empty when they were playing well.

(marlins I mean.)

[Matt700wlw]

All Brandon Phillips does is hit

[Matt700wlw]

It was pretty empty when they were playing well.

It's always empty down there. They should move the Marlins somewhere else.

[nate]

Man... do you guys eat your young too?

Too salty!

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn hits a fly ball to himself :p:

[Big Klu]

The RF didn't have any idea where that ball was!

[pedro]

It was pretty empty when they were playing well.

(marlins I mean.)

that's why they afford to burn it down.

[Big Klu]

The hit parade continues! Javy doubles in the left-center gap!

[Gainesville Red]

Do you think it's possible that the closer the Reds get to me, the better they play?

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds could get back into the race for the sub-central title.

:)

[nate]

Sergio Mitre not pitching to the toughness level of his gameday pict.

[Big Klu]

How uncomfortable would it be to wear black jerseys in Miami?

[Matt700wlw]

Belisle couldn't fool a blind man right now...

[Matt700wlw]

Oh..and Miguel Cabrera isn't a bad ballplayer...

[CTA513]

Belisle is doing his best to try and give up the lead.

[Gainesville Red]

How uncomfortable would it be to wear black jerseys in Miami?

I'm five hours to the north, and I'll say it's uncomfortable right now to wear any shirt.

Heat index of 109 today.

[Big Klu]

Belisle K's Jacobs. Good pitch!

[Eric_Davis]

The REDS bullpen has been busy lately. We need 7 innings out of Belisle today.

[Matt700wlw]

The REDS bullpen has been busy lately. We need 7 innings out of Belisle today.

At the rate he's going, it's not going to happen

[Matt700wlw]

Bases loaded....

:help:

[CTA513]

Belisle had Hermdia struck out looking twice before getting him to ground out.

[nate]

I think that worked out exactly the way they drew it up in the clubhouse.

[Big Klu]

The REDS bullpen has been busy lately. We need 7 innings out of Belisle today.

The Reds have three fresh arms in the bullpen tonight--Coffey, Burton, and Stone. Additionally, Coutlangus faced only one batter yesterday, and Stanton pitched only one inning. Weathers pitched one inning, but it was his third consecutive game, and Saarloos and Gosling each pitched 2+ innings.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds have three fresh arms in the bullpen tonight--Coffey, Burton, and Stone.

Sweet.


I'd take Burton over the other two.

[Big Klu]

Sweet.


I'd take Burton over the other two.

Yeah, I know.



Freel with a two-out single to right-center.

[Big Klu]

Hurricane Ryan steals second!

[VR]

The Reds have three fresh arms in the bullpen tonight--Coffey, Burton, and Stone. Additionally, Coutlangus faced only one batter yesterday, and Stanton pitched only one inning. Weathers pitched one inning, but it was his third consecutive game, and Saarloos and Gosling each pitched 2+ innings.

Like ED said.....Belisle need to go at least 7 tonight :)

[Eric_Davis]

Nice call, eh?!

[Big Klu]

Like ED said.....Belisle need to go at least 7 tonight :)

Yep! :laugh:

[Eric_Davis]

The Reds have three fresh arms in the bullpen tonight--Coffey, Burton, and Stone. Additionally, Coutlangus faced only one batter yesterday, and Stanton pitched only one inning. Weathers pitched one inning, but it was his third consecutive game, and Saarloos and Gosling each pitched 2+ innings.

Burton will probably be up first, then Coutlangus, then Stone, and Coffey to close.

Nice job by the ump there on the 3-1 pitch. Instead of Junior up with 2 guys on, he gets to lead off next inning.

[Eric_Davis]

Yep! :laugh:


I think Mackinen understands this better than we do, too. Look for him to get as many pitches out of Belisle as he can.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn and MacKanin had a closed door meeting today about Dunn getting pulled out games in the 7th or 8th inning.


Dunn doesn't like being replaced defensively.

[flyer85]

hey CW, the Marlins have scored at the same rate as the Reds, all the while playing half their games in an pitchers park

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez singles in a run on a pitch right down the middle of the plate by Belisle. 3-1 Reds. Goes to 2nd on an error by Junior.

[flyer85]

Dunn and MacKanin had a closed door meeting today about Dunn getting pulled out games in the 7th or 8th inning.


Dunn doesn't like being replaced defensively.Narron, did it some of the time. Pete does it every game the Reds have a lead after the 7th.

[Matt700wlw]

Narron, did it some of the time. Pete does it every game the Reds have a lead after the 7th.

I don't think Dunn's opinion is going to change what MacKanin is going to do....it's good to see communciation though

[VR]

Dunn and MacKanin had a closed door meeting today about Dunn getting pulled out games in the 7th or 8th inning.


Dunn doesn't like being replaced defensively.

Hopefully Mac let Adam know it was all in his hands.

[Eric_Davis]

I have no audio.

How is Belisle working with Valentin so far tonight? Is he shaking him off a lot?

[Eric_Davis]

Dunn and MacKanin had a closed door meeting today about Dunn getting pulled out games in the 7th or 8th inning.


Dunn doesn't like being replaced defensively.

DH'ing in the American League would solve that.

[flyer85]

I don't think Dunn's opinion is going to change what MacKanin is going to do....it's good to see communciation thoughI would say it is a sign that the commincation wasn't done ... otherwise there would have been no need for the meeting. He should have talked to Dunn about it when he took over.

[flyer85]

reds hitting bullets right at people

[pedro]

DH'ing in the American League would solve that.

so would not doing it.

[Eric_Davis]

Very Nice!

10-pitch inning and he's got his best pitch working. It's really has a lot of drop on it.

[pedro]

I still think Belisle has pretty good potential.

[Eric_Davis]

I still think Belisle has pretty good potential.

I think the REDS think so, too. Otherwise, I can't think of any other reason why they're forcing him to work with Valentin.

No one answered my question.

Anyone who is watching the game, how much is Belisle shaking off Valentin tonight? Are they on the same page?

[Matt700wlw]

A faster outfielder catches that....nice effort though.

[Matt700wlw]

Tie game.

[Eric_Davis]

Valentin still stinks as a catcher. He couldn't call a game in Little League.

[Matt700wlw]

What a horrible inning...

[flyer85]

EE didn't have to hurry the throw

[CTA513]

Belisle is pitching his way out of the rotation.

[Eric_Davis]

Belisle's getting no help here....shoddy defense and poor pitch calling.

Valentin's going to put me on the bereavement list for watching games that he starts.

[Eric_Davis]

Belisle is pitching his way out of the rotation.

It's not Belisle, it's the inept pitch-calling of Valentin. If Ross was catching this game the Marlins wouldn't have any runs. Belisle's pitches are working.

[Eric_Davis]

Way to come back strong, Matt and K the next two batters.

[flyer85]

Belisle needs to put away that either slider or cut fastball he is throwing, olivo and now Uggla

[Matt700wlw]

I think they need to re-evaluate Matt Belisle's role on this team....I think he'd be better suited for the bullpen.

He never gets any better from start to start

[VR]

I still think Belisle has pretty good potential.

I think you're right Pedro. Belisle has made great progress this year on his control, AND in being a full time starter.
Now that he pitches a lot more within the strike zone...he needs to get a bit more strategic....as opposed to just thrashing to find the zone like years past.

I think this is where ED's comments come to fruition...he needs a catcher to help his harness his good stuff and good control by calling a good game.

[flyer85]

I think they need to re-evaluate Matt Belisle's role on this team....I think he'd be better suited for the bullpen.

He never gets any better from start to starthis main issue as a starter is lack of 3rd pitch.

[Eric_Davis]

I think they need to re-evaluate Matt Belisle's role on this team....I think he'd be better suited for the bullpen.

He never gets any better from start to start

Matt, he does great whenever he works with Ross. His pitches aren't good enough to overcome the poor pitch-calling by Valentin. Valentin is clueless on how to call a game and on the strengths and weaknesses of opposing batters. He's either lazy and doesn't study enough or he's just stupid. I'm guessing some of both.

[Matt700wlw]

his main issue as a starter is lack of 3rd pitch.

Now he has an offseason goal :)

[Always Red]

I think they need to re-evaluate Matt Belisle's role on this team....I think he'd be better suited for the bullpen.

He never gets any better from start to start

He might be better suited for the BP. It all depends on how his arm bounces back. If he can't throw very often (ie- needs 4 days between throwing), he might not be suited for the BP, even though his stuff has "Bullpen" written all over it.

Who's going to start, instead of him?

I say give Dumatrait a shot.

[Matt700wlw]

He might be better suited for the BP. It all depends on how his arm bounces back. If he can't throw very often (ie- needs 4 days between throwing), he might not be suited for the BP, even though his stuff has "Bullpen" written all over it.

Who's going to start, instead of him?

I say give Dumatrait a shot.

That'd be my thinking, but he's already been deemed a bust by some on here...and isn't capable of pitching in the majors.

I'd rather judge that by actually seeing it.

[Matt700wlw]

Freel is an idiot.

[flyer85]

Freel really is worthless

[Always Red]

He's either lazy and doesn't study enough or he's just stupid. I'm guessing some of both.

Or maybe just inexperienced, since he's never really caught all that much?

I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt?

[OnBaseMachine]

Freel is one of the worst baserunners I have ever seen.

[CTA513]

Freel is really good.

[Matt700wlw]

The Freel Factor is wearing thin

[LINEDRIVER]

Freel....does he do more harm than good?? I'm dead serious.

I was just telling a couple people yesterday that if the game goes long enough, Freel will get picked off or run into an out.

[flyer85]

The Freel Factor is wearing thin

rarely gets on ... when he does he frequently erases himself

[Always Red]

That'd be my thinking, but he's already been deemed a bust by some on here...and isn't capable of pitching in the majors.

I'd rather judge that by actually seeing it.

Well, yeah, and Bailey and Cueto are bullpen fodder too, I read that here today as well.

Oh yeah, and Arroyo was ruined, washed up, contract a farce, earlier this year, but now we can't trade him for the best catching prospect in MLB right now.

I'm starting to wonder if I really should believe everything I read here on RZ?? :eek:

[Matt700wlw]

sigh.

[Eric_Davis]

Joe Garagiola just said the other night that more catchers are the cause of pitchers poor games by not understanding which pitches are working tonight and which ones aren't. The pitchers end up getting blamed for what in reality was the catcher's poor understanding of pitch-calling and location and opposing hitters strength's and weaknesses combined with what a pitcher has going that night.

[Gainesville Red]

sigh.

And I was so excited too.

[flyer85]

sigh.no worry, the reds have Magic Pete in the dugout

[Matt700wlw]

Joe Garagiola just said the other night that more catchers are the cause of pitchers poor games by not understanding which pitches are working tonight and which ones aren't. The pitchers end up getting blamed for what in reality was the catcher's poor understanding of pitch-calling and location and opposing hitters strength's and weaknesses combined with what a pitcher has going that night.

Javy didn't just throw a belt high baseball down the middle of the plate.

[CTA513]

The location of that pitch is why Belisle leads this teams in homeruns given up.

[WVRedsFan]

The location of that pitch is why Belisle leads this teams in homeruns given up.

Yeah. Milton picked the wrong year to get hurt or he'd be the leader.

Really, that was as textbook bad as I've seen but typical for a lot of our staff.

[Eric_Davis]

Here's Belisle's starts when he works with Ross. He's a good starter. The REDS want him to be able to work with other catchers and mature to the next level, though, so since Narron was let go, they've had him working only with Valentin. His last start with Valetin (not listed) was good. They worked well together, but today they've regressed back to what they were before...an ERA around 10.00 whenever he and Valentin get together.

A list of Belisle's starts under different catchers (IBB not listed):

DAVID ROSS

4/06/07....W, 6IP, 4H, 1ER, 1BB, 6K, 1.50ERA
4/11/07....W, 6IP, 3H, 1ER, 1BB, 3K, 1.50ERA
4/28/07....W, 9IP, 5H, 1ER, 0BB, 5K, 1.00ERA
5/04/07...ND, 6IP, 9H, 5ER, 2BB, 5K, 7.50ERA
5/09/07......L, 7IP, 6H, 0ER, 0BB, 7K, 0.00ERA
5/19/07..W, 5.2IP, 10H, 4ER, 2BB, 1K, 6.35ERA
5/24/07......L, 7IP, 10H, 4ER, 1BB, 3K, 5.14ERA
6/15/07......L, 5IP, 9H, 7ER, 1BB, 5K, 12.60ERA
6/20/07...ND, 6IP, 4H, 1ER, 4BB, 1K, 1.50ERA

CHAD MOELLER

5/29/07...W, 7.2IP, 4H, 1ER, 0BB, 8K, 1.17ERA
6/03/07.ND, 6.2IP, 10H, 5ER, 1BB, 2K, 6.75ERA
6/09/07....ND, 6IP, 5H, 3ER, 3BB, 5K, 4.50ERA
6/28/07....ND, 5IP, 8H, 6ER, 1BB, 6K, 10.80ERA, WP, HBP

JAVIER VALENTIN

4/07/07.ND, 5.1IP, 8H, 5ER, 1BB, 2K, 8.44ERA, WP
4/22/07......L, 5IP, 8H, 4ER, 0BB, 6K, 7.20ERA
5/14/07.....L, 5IP, 10H, 7ER, 1BB, 2K, 12.60ERA, WP, HBP
7/04/07.....L, 4IP, 6H, 5ER, 0BB, 0K, 11.25ERA

[MrCinatit]

While Javy is not anywhere near the greatest catcher in the world, he is not the only reason our pitching sucks. Sometimes, pitchers simply suck.
Even Johnny Bench could not stop Woody Fryman and Dale Murray from sucking.

[NJReds]

no worry, the reds have Magic Pete in the dugout

I don't care who's managing the team. You could resurrect the greatest managers of all time and put them in the Reds dugout and you'd still have an average team on its best day.

[Eric_Davis]

I don't know why he's putting everything down the middle today (those have been the extra-base hits), because his sinker's working with control. I would think his fastball would have similar control.

[CTA513]

Belisles done for the night and now its time for the bullpen to get some more work in.

[Matt700wlw]

That's a punch to the gut....getting taken out of the game as the pitcher comes to the plate...

[Eric_Davis]

Javy didn't just throw a belt high baseball down the middle of the plate.

But he called it.

He called the wrong pitch again for the umpteenth time.

[Matt700wlw]

But he called it.

He called the wrong pitch again for the umpteenth time.

JB said the ball was supposed to be down and away....obviously it wasn't thrown there.

I think JB knows a little more about pitchers and catchers than we do

[Eric_Davis]

Valentin will do no better with the other REDS' pitchers tonight. Double-digit runs for the Marlins tonight.

[pedro]

yeah, and we've got out own magic in the game thread.

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/5209/magicdickyd5.gif

[flyer85]

this is probably the key inning for the Reds to get back in the game. Both BP and Dunn have hit the ball hard both times up.

[VR]

JAVIER VALENTIN

4/07/07.ND, 5.1IP, 8H, 5ER, 1BB, 2K, 8.44ERA, WP
4/22/07......L, 5IP, 8H, 4ER, 0BB, 6K, 7.20ERA
5/14/07.....L, 5IP, 10H, 7ER, 1BB, 2K, 12.60ERA, WP, HBP
7/04/07.....L, 4IP, 6H, 5ER, 0BB, 0K, 11.25ERA

That's a 9.79 ERA while Nacho is catching.

It was only 9.63 tonight....so progess IS being made. :)

[Eric_Davis]

JB said the ball was supposed to be down and away....obviously it wasn't thrown there.

I think JB knows a little more about pitchers and catchers than we do

I'm with you there. I can't see the game close enough to have been able to tell that. He was clearly leaving the fastball over the plate then.

Belisle is still learning a lot, and he has great potential as you can see from those starts he's had with Ross, and the start he had last with Valentin last time. I wouldn't trade him or move him to the bullpen, but continue to work with him the rest of the year and next and see where it goes.

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey's brewing in the bullpen

[Eric_Davis]

Coffey's brewing in the bullpen

While Stone's just kickin' back?

[Matt700wlw]

Wow! Burton!

[Eric_Davis]

It wasn't that the Braves were bad, the REDS were that good.

Atlanta up 10-0 right now, albeit it's against the hapless Cards.

[CTA513]

Freel with a diving catch to end the inning.

[Matt700wlw]

So who gets credit for Burton's outing? Burton or Javy?

[Kc61]

That's a 9.79 ERA while Nacho is catching.

It was only 9.63 tonight....so progess IS being made. :)

Except for the fact that the list omits the July 14 start against the Mets. Belisle gave up 1 run in 7 innings. Catcher -- Javier Valentin.

These lists don't prove their point. His Ross games were good early, but later in the season there are some clunkers with Ross catching too. A number of ten hit games.

Belisle is a Redszone fave. But the numbers show that the Reds fourth and fifth starting spots have very high ERAs. You cannot win with a 5 plus ERA in the fourth spot and an even higher ERA in the fifth spot. I thought he pitched well against the Mets, disappointed that he came back with this performance tonight.

Going into next year, if the Reds continue to start pitchers with 5 plus ERAs in their rotation, they won't get much better.

[Big Klu]

Jared Burton was really bringing it tonight! Very encouraging.


As for Valentin, I thought that he was setting up hitters pretty well--it's just that Belisle wasn't hitting his spots in the 4th and 5th innings. Valentin and Belisle did a really nice job on Hanley Ramirez earlier in the game though, finishing him off with a four-seam fastball.

Valentin did a nice job working with Burton tonight.

[OnBaseMachine]

Dominant outing by Jared Burton. Burton, Coutlangus, and Salmon have all impressed me this year out of the bullpen, which gives me some hope for next year's bullpen.

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger continues to roll

[Reds Fanatic]

Keppinger leads off with a double.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel with an infield hit. 1st and 2nd.

[Reds Fanatic]

Taylor Tankersly in to pitch.

[Big Klu]

Nice job, Kepp!

Now Freel gets an infield hit. Keppinger holds at 2nd. Jeff now acts as an anchor for Ryan. ;)

[VR]

It wasn't that the Braves were bad, the REDS were that good.

Atlanta up 10-0 right now, albeit it's against the hapless Cards.

And in classic TLR form.....the starter Maroth is brought back out after the 4 innings of 11 hit, 10 run, 3BB, 90 pitch baseball.

[Big Klu]

I like this substitute announcer. Nothing fancy, but he does a nice job.

[Matt700wlw]

Load the bases for Griffey....I dare you :)

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Hatteberg. Bases loaded no outs for Junior.

[Big Klu]

And in classic TLR form.....the starter Maroth is brought back out after the 4 innings of 11 hit, 10 run, 3BB, 90 pitch baseball.

Sacrificing Maroth at the altar of the pitching gods.

Didn't LaRussa do that last year a couple of times with Jason Marquis?

[VR]

I'm guessing someone else is up in the pen...cause Tankersley can not get righties out.

[Eric_Davis]

Except for the fact that the list omits the July 14 start against the Mets. Belisle gave up 1 run in 7 innings. Catcher -- Javier Valentin.

These lists don't prove their point. His Ross games were good early, but later in the season there are some clunkers with Ross catching too. A number of ten hit games.

.

There's nothing wrong with 10-hit games for a sinker-ball pitchers. By rule of thumb, they give up a lot of hits. As long as they don't walk people and stay away from the extra-base hits, the singles won't cost them the game. He did well with Ross early and late.


I guarantee you that the next time Belisle works with Ross, he'll have an ERA under 4.00 for that game and probably under 3.00.

[Matt700wlw]

Oh well

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior strikes out swinging. 1 out.

[Tom Servo]

for those watching the Florida feed:

Who you gonna call? Maroone!

[VR]

Sacrificing Maroth at the altar of the pitching gods.

Didn't LaRussa do that last year a couple of times with Jason Marquis?


12 runs once.....13 another.

He was going to be a free agent though.

[Reds Fanatic]

Justin Miller in to pitch.

[Eric_Davis]

So who gets credit for Burton's outing? Burton or Javy?

Both of them. They worked together.

Matt, based on what you told me about JB saying that Javy called for a different pitch on the last homerun, I have to with that and agree that Belisle didn't have contol of that pitch tonight. But, if he didn't have, what was Valentin doing calling for it? Stay with the sinkers that were working.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Junior and BP swinging at pitcher's pitches... :(

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips totally fooled strikes out swinging. Pitches way out of the strike zone he was swinging at.

[CTA513]

Anyone know how many feet outside that pitch was that Phillips swung at for strike #2?

[Eric_Davis]

Well, Valentin, you're on this team for your offense.


Earn your pay.

Wait, Dunn's up first.

[Kc61]

There's nothing wrong with 10-hit games for a sinker-ball pitchers. By rule of thumb, they give up a lot of hits. As long as they don't walk people and stay away from the extra-base hits, the singles won't cost them the game. He did well with Ross early and late.


I guarantee you that the next time Belisle works with Ross, he'll have an ERA under 4.00 for that game and probably under 3.00.

Four of Belisle's last six Ross games have been clunkers. Not only because of the hits, but runs too.

[flyer85]

Marlins showing the importance of bat missers in the bullpen

[Matt700wlw]

Marlins showing the importance of bat missers in the bullpen

What are those?

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn flies out to center and the Reds blow a big scoring chance.

[Big Klu]

Well, that wasn't good.

[Eric_Davis]

That just really, really sucks.

Good night, Alice.

[CTA513]

Dunn gets the fly ball that the Reds needed to get out of either Griffey or Phillips.

[VR]

bases loaded....3-4-5 up, no outs.

pfffft.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Marlins showing the importance of bat missers in the bullpen

Know what you are saying, but I have to lean towards ball missers on Junior and BP's strikeouts. It looked like only 1 (maybe 2) pitches were actually strikes.

[Heath]

I'll be going tonight if the weather's ok.

Shame no Ross. He's got 5 HR in my last 3 REDS games.

On the lineup:

MacNarron insists in splitting Griff and Dunn with Phillips. It was and continues to be a bad idea.

nm

I think I saw oneupper on TV.

He had to be the only Reds fan of the 10,000 who made it.

:)

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger remains the game and is playing short

[Matt700wlw]

Nice! Griffey!

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Those were two PA-THETIC at-bat's right there.

I sound like Marty.

[Reds Fanatic]

Jacobs singles and Junior throws him out going to 2nd.

[Big Klu]

An interesting double-switch by the Reds. Keppinger stays in the game at SS, batting 9th. Coutlangus now in to pitch, batting 8th.

The pitcher's spot actually moves up one spot in the order.

[Matt700wlw]

An interesting double-switch by the Reds. Keppinger stays in the game at SS, batting 9th. Coutlangus now in to pitch, batting 8th.

The pitcher's spot actually moves up one spot in the order.

How Bob Boone like ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Former Red (for about 20 seconds) Cody Ross at the plate

[Tom Servo]

former Red Cody Ross!

[Tom Servo]

Captain Kirk getting some razzing from the Fishs' announcers for his hair.

[Reds Fanatic]

2 walks by Coutlangus. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Hopper coming in for Dunn with 2 innings to go in a losing effort.

I don't like it. With a lead, I can see it.

[Big Klu]

Captain Kirk getting some razzing from the Fishs' announcers for his hair.

Captain Kirk?

[flyer85]

Hopper coming in for Dunn with 2 innings to go in a losing effort.

I don't like it. With a lead, I can see it.Petes gone round the bend

[CTA513]

Hopper coming in for Dunn with 2 innings to go in a losing effort.

I don't like it. With a lead, I can see it.

The Reds are so far down that they don't need his bat.

[Big Klu]

Hopper coming in for Dunn with 2 innings to go in a losing effort.

I'm sorry, but I can't accpet that. I can when they have the lead.

Interesting double-switch by the Reds. Todd Coffey in to pitch, batting 5th. Norris Hopper in LF, batting 8th.

I'm with Matt. I don't like this one. I want Dunn in there, especially when the Reds are trailing.

I didn't mind the other double-switch. The better offensive SS was in the game at a cost of only one spot in the order. But this one doesn't sit well with me.

[Kc61]

Hopper coming in for Dunn with 2 innings to go in a losing effort.

I don't like it. With a lead, I can see it.


I think he is just saving the pen. Double switch, Dunn made the last out. He wants to avoid having Coffey's spot coiming up again because he had a fifteen inning game yesterday and used a lot of relievers. My guess is Coffey is in for the duration here.

Probably would have double switched for anyone who made the last out, Dunn or anyone else. Not saying this is right move, but I think that's his reasoning.

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds are so far down that they don't need his bat.

2 runs is a mountain ;)

[Reds Fanatic]

6-4-3 DP ends the inning. 5-3 Marlins after 7.

[Tom Servo]

Captain Kirk?
Saarloos, of course. In retrospect one could take my comment to be about Shatner.

[Big Klu]

I think he is just saving the pen. Double switch, Dunn made the last out. He wants to avoid having Coffey's spot coiming up again because he had a fifteen inning game yesterday and used a lot of relievers. My guess is Coffey is in for the duration here.

Probably would have double switched for anyone who made the last out, Dunn or anyone else. Not saying this is right move, but I think that's his reasoning.

That's actually sound reasoning. With Coffey in the game, Ricky Stone is the only fresh arm left in the pen.

I still don't like the decision, but your explanation makes sense.

[flyer85]

I think he is just saving the pen. Double switch, Dunn made the last out. He wants to avoid having Coffey's spot coiming up again because he had a fifteen inning game yesterday and used a lot of relievers. My guess is Coffey is in for the duration here.

Probably would have double switched for anyone who made the last out, Dunn or anyone else. Not saying this is right move, but I think that's his reasoning.
makes no sense. Reds have an extra bullpen arm in Stone and if they are to get back in the game the 5 hole will bat again. The man is really dense

[Matt700wlw]

Man on first, 2 out, top of the 9th...down by 1...

Dunn or Hopper?


I'll take my chances with Dunn...yes, he may strike out, but he may also go deep

[Eric_Davis]

I think he is just saving the pen. Double switch, Dunn made the last out. He wants to avoid having Coffey's spot coiming up again because he had a fifteen inning game yesterday and used a lot of relievers. My guess is Coffey is in for the duration here.

Probably would have double switched for anyone who made the last out, Dunn or anyone else. Not saying this is right move, but I think that's his reasoning.

That makes sense. Why screw up the next three games by overworking the bullpen.

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff double to right for Valentin.

[flyer85]

Man on first, 2 out, top of the 9th...down by 1...

Dunn or Hopper?
Hopper went to the 8th spot. The marlins closer is a RHP, the only real hitter left is Conine.

[CTA513]

Man on first, 2 out, top of the 9th...down by 1...

Dunn or Hopper?


I'll take my chances with Dunn...yes, he may strike out, but he may also go deep

If Hopper hits it to the right place and gets a good bounce he could get an inside the park homerun.

[Big Klu]

Saarloos, of course. In retrospect one could take my comment to be about Shatner.

Thaat's who I thought you meant! :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d2/JamesTKirk.jpg/250px-JamesTKirk.jpg

[Reds Fanatic]

Encarnacion singles to left. 1st and 3rd.

[Big Klu]

I would think about using Arroyo to pinch-run for Valentin at 3rd.

[Matt700wlw]

What happened?

[flyer85]

bunting ... that's the ticket

[Reds Fanatic]

Hopper singles to right. 5-4 Marlins. 1st and 2nd.

[Big Klu]

What happened?

Hopper bunted the ball, and it bounced up and hit the bat again. Foul ball.

Hopper grounds an RBI single to right! Valentin scores!

[Reds Fanatic]

Good bunt by Keppinger. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

[CTA513]

Another position player besides Hopper can bunt?

:eek:

[Matt700wlw]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:freel:

:jump:

[Eric_Davis]

I thought Keppinger was a "professional hitter". Why is he bunting a runner over to 3rd when he's already in scoring position and wasting an out? If we couldn't score a runner from 3rd with no outs, why would we be able to do it with 1 out?

[Reds Fanatic]

Wow. Freel homers to left! 7-5 Reds!!!

[Big Klu]

Ryan Freel with a three-run jack! Holy cow!

[RedFanAlways1966]

FREEL.... 3 run bomb to LF! A bomb!! :beerme: :beerme:

[Tom Servo]

Freel!?

[redsmetz]

Freel homers! Reds 7-5 now.

[Matt700wlw]

* ;)

[Eric_Davis]

Glad they were at 2nd and 3rd instead of 1st and 2nd for that homerun.

That's too funny.

Mackinen's got good Karma. I'd rub his head before going to bat.

[Big Klu]

I like Michael Reghi's home run call better than George's!

(I hope George's mom is OK, though.)

[RedFanAlways1966]

Freel!?

Yep and he mashed it. The LF never moved.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg hits it hard but the ball is caught on the warning track in left.

[Tom Servo]

Junior ALMOST gets one out.

[Big Klu]

Yep and he mashed it. The LF never moved.

Second-deck shot.

[Tornon]

Armando Benitez just is not very good..

[RedFanAlways1966]

Benitez lookin' like an 8th inning REDS reliever. Nice to be on the other side of it. Wait.... Marlins still to bat in the 8th.

[Big Klu]

I had put my Reds road cap on before the top of the eighth. I had gone the first seven innings hatless. Coincidence? I think not. :D

[Big Klu]

GASP! Michael said the D-word!

[redsmetz]

I had put my Reds road cap on before the top of the eighth. I had gone the first seven innings hatless. Coincidence? I think not. :D

Nice rally caps!

http://static.flickr.com/112/282527922_264edccea1_o.jpg

[Tornon]

Could we possibly go to Weathers again for the 9th?

[CTA513]

That looked like some of the innings that the Reds relief pitchers have had this season.

[Eric_Davis]

Stanton warming up.

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Amezaga.

Linden pinch hitting for Benetiz.

[Eric_Davis]

Could we possibly go to Weathers again for the 9th?


Not if you want to trade him as damaged goods.

[KittyDuran]

I think I saw oneupper on TV.

He had to be the only Reds fan of the 10,000 who made it.

:)If he resembles Colbert (of the Colbert Report) and is wearing a Reds uni with the name oneupper on the back.... That's him!!! :beerme:

[Reds Fanatic]

Stone is warming up. This could get ugly quick.

[Big Klu]

Could we possibly go to Weathers again for the 9th?

Stanton is more rested than Weathers, but the Marlins have mostly right-handed hitters coming up. I don't think that Stone is a candidate to close, and Coffey is due up 2nd in the top of the ninth. So Weathers could very well be called upon to finish this one.

[Reds Fanatic]

Linden lines out to Hopper.

[11larkin11]

Hah, this GG replacement just called Hopper Hooper.

BTW, I just wanted to say, I like Burton. Krivsky once again with one of his moves I love.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez grounds into a 5-4 fielder's choice. 2 outs.

[Eric_Davis]

Phillips is an All-Star. He turns the double-play really fast.

[Big Klu]

Hah, this GG replacement just called Hopper Hooper.

BTW, I just wanted to say, I like Burton. Krivsky once again with one of his moves I love.

Haha! I caught that, too! He quickly corrected himself in the next sentence.

Overall, I have liked his game-calling, especially when you consider that he isn't that familiar with the Reds.

[Big Klu]

Coffey should have let that one roll.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bunt single for Uggla. 1st and 2nd.

[Eric_Davis]

I'd let Stone close, but he already had Stanton warming while the REDS were batting in the 8th.

[CTA513]

Not a good play by Coffey.

[NJReds]

Bad move by Coffey. That would've gone foul. EE was waiving him off.
Now Cabrera up w/2 on.

[11larkin11]

Haha! I caught that, too! He quickly corrected himself in the next sentence.

Overall, I have liked his game-calling, especially when you consider that he isn't that familiar with the Reds.

He's seemed decent to me. I dont like that he keeps asking Welsh questions though. Welsh should talk as little as possible.

[Big Klu]

I'd let Stone close, but he already had Stanton warming while the REDS were batting in the 8th.

Stone has been warming up while the Marlins have been batting in the eighth.

I would play the matchups with Stanton and Stone.

[Reds Fanatic]

Good job by Coffey. He strikes out Cabrera on a high fastball. 7-5 Reds after 8.

[Kc61]

A rested Coffey looks good out there. He had some velocity against Cabrera.

[NJReds]

Nice pitch by Coffey. Cabrera K's on high 94 mph heat.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Way to K Cabrerra, Todd Coffey! Made me sweat, but a great 8th inning for the REDS bullpen.

[Big Klu]

He's seemed decent to me. I dont like that he keeps asking Welsh questions though. Welsh should talk as little as possible.

I think Reghi is asking Welsh questions because he doesn't know that much about the Reds. (I think he's a Clevelander.) But he's doing a capable job.

[Big Klu]

I would use Ross as the PH for Coffey as the second batter in the top of the ninth, and then make a double-switch to leave him in for the bottom of the ninth.

[Reds Fanatic]

Lee Gardner in to pitch.

Phillips again strikes out swinging on a pitch way outside.

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine pinch hitting.

[guttle11]

A standing ovation for Conine?

You see something new every day.

[NJReds]

Fourth day in a row that Gardner's pitching.

[CrackerJack]

A nice hand for Conine from the crowd as he comes to bat.

[Tom Servo]

A standing ovation for Conine?

You see something new every day.
Mr. Marlin!

[Reds Fanatic]

Conine pops out to short. 2 outs.

[Matt700wlw]

A standing ovation for Conine?

You see something new every day.

He was part of the glory years....when 30 people showed up to watch the games.