7/20/07 - Reds vs. Marlins Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds Starting Lineup:

Junior is sitting tonight.



Freel cf
Hopper rf
Conine 1b
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Ross c
Lopez ss
Lohse p

[RBA]

Reds Starting Lineup:

Junior is sitting tonight.


OMG, Jr sitting on a Friday night. He must of been traded. :p::D:)

[IslandRed]

OMG, Jr sitting on a Friday night. He must of been traded. :p::D:)

If this was a home game, that WOULD be the rumor going around, wouldn't it?

[Red Leader]

That's a pretty ugly lineup, IMO.

[Tom Servo]

Free Jeff Keppinger!

[VR]

We better hope the really, really, really, really good Kyle Lohse shows up tonight.

That lineup looks like Punch & Judy's family reunion.

[WVRedsFan]

My goodness. How this team misses Josh Hamilton! Griffey does need the rest--his bat shows it right now, but you never know what might happen.

BTW, any news on Josh's injury?

[Reds Fanatic]

My goodness. How this team misses Josh Hamilton! Griffey does need the rest--his bat shows it right now, but you never know what might happen.

BTW, any news on Josh's injury?
Josh is eligible to come off the DL next week. His next exam is I believe next Thursday. So we should know more then.

[oneupper]

David Ross will rake tonight. If the weather gets better (It's raining), I'll be heading to the game.

[Matt700wlw]

(It's raining)


Nooooooooooooooooooo!!

:)

[Gainesville Red]

Narron-esque.

Maybe Conine third is a sort of tribute to his Marlins career. Give the away crowd something to cheer about.

Could get ugly tonight.

[BRM]

That lineup looks like Punch & Judy's family reunion.

:laugh:

Nice. I'm glad to see Pedro Lopez continue to get time. The guy plays a pretty darn good SS.

[oneupper]

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!

:)

Don't be so happy. It always rains down here. They'll play.

But it looks like I won't be going. Car just died. :(

[Matt700wlw]

Don't be so happy. It always rains down here. They'll play.

But it looks like I won't be going. Car just died. :(

I don't like rain delays. Please stop raining.

Thank you.

Sorry about your car...that's no fun.

[Matt700wlw]

From Trent

Here's what Pete had to say about Griffey getting a day off: "We had a discussion with Griff, Mark Mann and I yesterday, we all agreed that from here on down, we’re going to pick spots for him to take days off here and there. He’s not getting any younger. He’s going to remain productive, but we’ve got to make sure he doesn’t tire out. Like with Conine and Hatteberg, when it works out well with the older guys, it’s good for him. It’s good for Kenny to keep him as strong as possible because of what he can do for us."

Pete said it would be when things kind of work out for it. ANd it will mostly be against lefties.


Also, Pete said David Weathers wouldn't pitch today. We asked who the closer would be and he said he wasn't sure yet.

[Cyclone792]

Also, Pete said David Weathers wouldn't pitch today. We asked who the closer would be and he said he wasn't sure yet.

Translation: Mike Stanton

Good news to hear regarding Griffey and some occasional rest as it's pretty much a similar plan I'd have him on if it was my call too.

[Matt700wlw]

Freel at it again...

[flyer85]

nothing quite like giving away outs in the first inning

[CTA513]

Freel at it again...

:all_cohol

[flyer85]

I've heard of Quinn the Eskimo, the Reds have Freel the Idiot.

[mbgrayson]

He was already in scoring position! Grrrrr.....

[Matt700wlw]

Which Lohse will we see tonight?

[mbgrayson]

Ramirez hits a lead-off double down the 3rd base line...

[VR]

Imagine...our #3 hitter just saw his July Ops drop from it's stout .329 pinnacle

[flyer85]

I also fail to understand the fascination with Conine as a middle of the order hitter, he was never that in his best days.

[Matt700wlw]

Early indicators on Kyle Lohse -- not good.

[VR]

Freel been CS 8 times this year in 24 tries....anyone know how many times he's been picked off?

[VR]

I see from Cabrera's Gameday pic that his chin and neck are now one.

[Matt700wlw]

That was some kind of pitch on Cabrera.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice comback!

[membengal]

Bad Lohse and good Lohse, all in one inning.

[MrCinatit]

Hey, we're being no-hit.

Darn, I hope I didn't jinx things. :evil:

[Eric_Davis]

From Trent

Here's what Pete had to say about Griffey getting a day off: "We had a discussion with Griff, Mark Mann and I yesterday, we all agreed that from here on down, we’re going to pick spots for him to take days off here and there. He’s not getting any younger. He’s going to remain productive, but we’ve got to make sure he doesn’t tire out. Like with Conine and Hatteberg, when it works out well with the older guys, it’s good for him. It’s good for Kenny to keep him as strong as possible because of what he can do for us."

Pete said it would be when things kind of work out for it. ANd it will mostly be against lefties.


Also, Pete said David Weathers wouldn't pitch today. We asked who the closer would be and he said he wasn't sure yet.

A day off for the older guys....hmmm...in Conine's case it's called "Retirement".

[Matt700wlw]

Bad Kyle...

[Eric_Davis]

Wow.

That was hammered.

[Eric_Davis]

Bad Kyle...

Great Cabrera.

[mth123]

Bad Kyle

[membengal]

Bad Lohse.

[penantboundreds]

whew cabrera is good..

[CTA513]

Lohse with some very good pitching.

[Eric_Davis]

Imagine...our #3 hitter just saw his July Ops drop from it's stout .329 pinnacle

He's doing everything he can to maintain Narron's legacy of losing.

[Eric_Davis]

whew cabrera is good..

Chipper Jones is the only one better in the NL this year. Third Base is such a strong position in baseball now.

[Eric_Davis]

Olsen is a bad pitcher.

Even this lineup will get to him.

Phillips has an OPS of almost 1.000 in July, so if we can get guys on ahead of him....

[Matt700wlw]

Great Cabrera.

That too...

[penantboundreds]

I still wonder why you try to steal third base with one out?

[MrCinatit]

End of no-hitter and end of shutout, thanks to youngblood.

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[Eric_Davis]

There's no place like home...

There's no place like home...

Welcome home, Dorothy..

[mth123]

Hope the yankees were watching.

[Eric_Davis]

Conine's grinning because he knows he closed his eyes when he swung.

:D

[Eric_Davis]

What was Phillips laughing his butt off about?

[Eric_Davis]

Let's get another run back. EdE...homer time.

[CTA513]

Lefties must love it when they get to face the Reds.

[oneupper]

Anyone get a load of Kirk Saarloos in the bullpen? He's running around with a big X on his back where he was nailed with a foul ball a few innings ago.

[MrCinatit]

Lohse bunts, and the ball is almost thrown over the first baseman's head.
That almost turned into an uggla play.

[Eric_Davis]

I know it's hard to believe, but if we can get Conine up here with a RISP, he's one of the top 3 REDS we have this year delivering the RBI in that situation.

[Matt700wlw]

Lohse not helping his trade value...

[flyer85]

the trade value of Lohse continues to head south

[Matt700wlw]

Fan just saved Kyle Lohse, perhaps...

Ump calls Cabrera out! Wow!

[CTA513]

Lohse continues that very good pitching.

[MrCinatit]

That looks like a most excellent call by the ump.
Then again, it goes for the Reds, so naturally, I would think it is a good call.


Meanwhile, bad Kyle continues.

[Matt700wlw]

I'm surprised that fan isn't kicked out of the park...Nevemind, they just got tossed.

[Matt700wlw]

CRUSHED

:phillips:

:jump:

[MrCinatit]

Now, Brandon Phillips with a bomb - home run derby tonight

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner with some wheels

[Eric_Davis]

1st pitch HR for Phillips. Who'd a thunk it?

Way to go Brandon. Best player on the team right now next to Harang.

[Eric_Davis]

Great hustle by Dunn getting down to first.

[Eric_Davis]

OneUpper, if you were there, Ross would be homering right now.

[Eric_Davis]

Go kick your car, OneUpper.

[CTA513]

Maybe Benitez can help the Reds win again tonight?

[GAC]

Lohse is his own worst enemy. :rolleyes:

[Eric_Davis]

Error! Kyle Lohse.

[Matt700wlw]

This is about to officially blow up

[CTA513]

Lohse walks Olivo on 4 straight balls... it must be noted that Olivo has only walked 6 times this year.

Now Lohse makes a throwing error on a sacrifice bunt.

Lohse is really trying to make sure the Marlins win.

[Matt700wlw]

That was nasty

[CTA513]

Good job Lohse, now the Reds are down 4 runs instead of 2.

[Matt700wlw]

Thank you Kyle for another terrible outing

[Eric_Davis]

That was a bad pitch.

[flyer85]

Lohse gives a final kick to the soft parts before departing

[CTA513]

That was a bad pitch.

Thats Reds pitching.

[flyer85]

Thank you Kyle for another terrible outinggive that man a contract extension.

[Matt700wlw]

This has become quite an Uggla day...

[flyer85]

there goes the playoffs

[Falls City Beer]

Kyle Lohse doesn't know what it is to break fans' hearts; he doesn't have one.

[Matt700wlw]

They want to trade him...will anybody bite?

[CTA513]

They should just let Burton bat for himself.

[alloverjr]

Officially off (though never was on) the Pete M bandwagon. This lineup coupled with the refusal to pull Lohse early in the game is just poor. Maybe Sarloos gives up 15, but I send a message that the inability to locate a pitch is not a qualification to be in a starting rotation. Maybe Pete just conceded this game from the get go.

BTW, I think JB has something personal against Lohse.

[flyer85]

No idea why you let Hopper hit in that spot

[Falls City Beer]

BTW, I think JB has something personal against Lohse.

Don't you?

I hated Tomko--there's not room in this team's history for Tomko AND Lohse.

[Matt700wlw]

Officially off (though never was on) the Pete M bandwagon. This lineup coupled with the refusal to pull Lohse early in the game is just poor. Maybe Sarloos gives up 15, but I send a message that the inability to locate a pitch is not a qualification to be in a starting rotation. Maybe Pete just conceded this game from the get go.

BTW, I think JB has something personal against Lohse.

So do I, he makes me want to bang my head against a wall

:bang:

[CTA513]

GIDP #7 for Hopper.

[Matt700wlw]

Ricky Stone makes an appearance

[alloverjr]

Don't you?



Me? Nothing personal. I just think he's a crappy pitcher. Now Browning would be a different story.

[Matt700wlw]

Was it intentional?

JB says it was for both sides.


A good fight would add a little spice :)

[alloverjr]

GIDP #7 for Hopper.

I thought he was fast ;)

[CTA513]

Use Coffey if you are going to hit someone.
He can at least throw hard.

[Matt700wlw]

I've seen enough of Ricky Stone....

[flyer85]

Stone in for some BP

[CTA513]

I sure hope Stone doesn't get cut.
The Reds can't afford to lose such a good pitcher.

[Matt700wlw]

15,000 in attendance...that's good for the Marlins

[Matt700wlw]

wow...triple

[CTA513]

If anyones keeping track thats the 4th homerun Stones given up in 16 at bats.

:beerme:

[flyer85]

everybody let's hit Stone

[Matt700wlw]

If anyones keeping track thats the 4th homerun Stones given up in 16 at bats.

:beerme:

Good ratio

[Matt700wlw]

Woot.

[flyer85]

that is one deep LC field ... Freel is nuts

[Reds Fanatic]

Followed by a double. Can they just release Stone this time instead of sending him to Louisville. He is not a major league pitcher. Never has been and never will be.

[TeamBoone]

Who's in the booth with Welsh?

[redsfan4445]

i think we seen the last of Stone....

[flyer85]

Followed by a double. Can they just release Stone this time instead of sending him to Louisville. He is not a major league pitcher. Never has been and never will be.the game was already over, might as well give an overworked pen a rest.

[edabbs44]

I'll be in Vegas for the trading deadline...what are the odds I can get on Wayne getting his pants pulled down on 7/31?

[Reds Fanatic]

Who's in the booth with Welsh?
I can't remember his name but he is temporarily replacing Grande who is taking care of his sick mother.

[Falls City Beer]

I'll say it: I think Kyle Lohse is the pitcher's Derrek Bell: when things start going tough....

[edabbs44]

I'll say it: I think Kyle Lohse is the pitcher's Derrek Bell: when things start going tough....

I don't think it's worth anyone's time to try and figure this guy out.

He isn't good and it doesn't appear that he will ever be good. Cincy needs to cut ties with him before WK gives him some ridiculous extension.

[flyer85]

I'll say it: I think Kyle Lohse is the pitcher's Derrek Bell: when things start going tough....when does Operation Shutdown get started?

[CTA513]

If we are lucky we will get to see Lohse and Stone pitch for the Reds the rest of the season.

:party:

[edabbs44]

If we are lucky we will get to see Lohse and Stone pitch for the Reds the rest of the season.

:party:

Ricky Stone < Mike Burns

Almost impossible...but it is true.

[CrackerJack]

Preview of Redszone post 15 years from now:

"check out this line up from July 20th, 2007 when that clown Wayne Krivsky was the GM during the John Allen era! Thank God those days are over."

Freel cf
Hopper rf
Conine 1b
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Encarnacion 3b
Ross c
Lopez ss
Lohse p

[flyer85]

Preview of Redszone post 15 years from now:

"check out this line up from July 20th, 2007 when that clown Wayne Krivsky was the GM during the John Allen era! Thank God those days are over."
I thought low OBP guys were supposed to bat at the top of the order?

[alloverjr]

If we are lucky we will get to see Lohse and Stone pitch for the Reds the rest of the season.

:party:


And when you get right down to it (especially for Lohse), who cares? I don't know of any starting pitcher in the organization that he is blocking. So if you cut Lohse (who I don't like) he's just going to be replaced by similar, albeit less expensive garbage. Really the same for Stone. Do we have a ML ready mop up guy waiting to come up? I posted earlier that I dislike the way Pete handles the roster, but as far as the current state of roster construction (specifically speaking to the pitching) it's not getting any better until A) we trade the few marketable pieces we have for it or B) we wait about 3 more years for DanO's guys to be ready.

[CrackerJack]

I thought low OBP guys were supposed to bat at the top of the order?

Scrappy glove guys go at the top of the order. It's the new fad in baseball. Krivsky will replace Beane's sexiness with his new book "Scrappy Ball."

Just watch.

[CTA513]

And when you get right down to it (especially for Lohse), who cares? I don't know of any starting pitcher in the organization that he is blocking. So if you cut Lohse (who I don't like) he's just going to be replaced by similar, albeit less expensive garbage. Really the same for Stone. Do we have a ML ready mop up guy waiting to come up? I posted earlier that I dislike the way Pete handles the roster, but as far as the current state of roster construction (specifically speaking to the pitching) it's not getting any better until A) we trade the few marketable pieces we have for it or B) we wait about 3 more years for DanO's guys to be ready.

Im not sure if they have anyone to replace Lohse right now, but they have guys who could have pitched the 1 inning of mop up that Stone pitched (some might actually have a future with the club).

[oneupper]

OneUpper, if you were there, Ross would be homering right now.

I know. Want to know the irony? Tow truck shows up. Car Starts....

Never fails.

[LINEDRIVER]

Conine waited until the 97th game of the year to hit a HR on the road.

[VR]

Why was Lohse left out there in the 7th....I missed it?

[oneupper]

Why was Lohse left out there in the 7th....I missed it?

Today was "Let's give Griffey and the Bullpen a rest so take one for the team day"

[WVRedsFan]

Today (or last night, as it were), we saw the Real Reds. Lohse was Lohse and didn't do anything for his trade value (and I believe they are desparate to trade him), We saw an offense that can score gobs of runs on one night and not many on the next. We saw a bullpen that allowed many runs. A 10-2 loss was the result.

For those that saw some light at the end of the tunnel, amybe this was disheartening, I don't know, but to me it was proof positive that moves need to be made. Pete Macklanin is not the savior nor is Billy Bray or anyone else. This team needs a complete overhaul regardless of the record ovedr the last 15 games. Unfortunately, I have doubts that the FO sees it that way, but no matter. The next ten days will be very important to the future of this franchise. It's well known that I have no confidence in those who will be making those decisions, but they will be made soon. Let's hope for the best.

[Big Klu]

Conine waited until the 97th game of the year to hit a HR on the road.

But is a game in Miami really a road game for Conine, a.k.a. "Mr. Marlin"? :D

For the record, I like Jeff Conine. I think he is a good veteran backup 1B who provides some pop off the bench and is a good right-handed complement for Scott Hatteberg in the first base platoon. That being said, I do not like him in the #3 spot in the batting order. I think that he is better suited for the #6 spot when he plays, though with the way Edwin Encarnacion has struggled vs. LHP this season, I can live with Conine at #5 and Edwin at #6 against lefties.