7/21/07 - Reds vs. Marlins Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:


Reds
Freel cf
Hatteberg 1b
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Valentin c
Encarnacion 3b
Lopez ss
Livingston p

Marlins
Ramirez ss
Uggla 2b
Cabrera 3b
Willingham lf
Ross cf
Linden rf
Wood 1b
Treanor c
Kim p

[flyer85]

I guess Pete has figured out that Ross isn't going to hit.

[oneupper]

Cabrera has an OPS of over 1.300 vs. LHP this season.

It's been raining very hard. Could be a delay.

[Red in Chicago]

Great, Marlins announcers again:thumbdown

[CTA513]

Kim has walked 43 batters in the 64.1 innings hes pitched this season.

[mbgrayson]

Great, Marlins announcers again:thumbdown

I've got Satellite TV sound down with internet radio on....lol

[camisadelgolf]

How many hits do y'all think Livingston'll get today? I think it'll be a rough day for him, so I'll say he'll go two-for-three with a double.

[Eric_Davis]

Kim has walked 43 batters in the 64.1 innings hes pitched this season.

Maybe Dunn was thinking if he didn't take the bat off his shoulders he might get on base.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Anyone else think the lack of an advance scout might be why theyre having so much trouble with Kim? :)

[Eric_Davis]

Anyone else think the lack of an advance scout might be why theyre having so much trouble with Kim? :)

It might have something to do with all the extra-base hits the Marlins are getting, too. Players' tendencies change from week to week...why else would they have advance scouts in the first play if it wasn't for part of that reason?

[SteelSD]

Encarnacion just threw out Miggy at the tail end of a "dive/throw from knees" highlight reel effort. Ridiculous.

[Eric_Davis]

Freel's 10-pitch at-bat last time up is the best the REDS have done against Kim so far through 3 pefect innings. Freel's picked up his offense lately, so look for him to start a good inning for the REDS here.

[Eric_Davis]

3 pitches is better than 1-pitch outs, I guess.

Let's get on base and make Kim pitch from the stretch.

[flyer85]

Kim has walked 43 batters in the 64.1 innings hes pitched this season.... but seems to have his command tonight . He is tough when he has command because his stuff is nasty.

[Eric_Davis]

Nice job, Junior.

Seeing him in a REDS' uniform still seems surreal. He's such a pleasure to watch play the game. That assist the other night was awesome.

[Eric_Davis]

... but seems to have his command tonight . He is tough when he has command because his stuff is nasty.


I'm sure like many pitchers, that he's just much less effective when he has to pitch from the stretch. We just have to get more runners to first base against him. Though I was being facetious with Dunn, Dunn had three chances to where he almost accomplished this and it was a nice effort by Dunn to get on base.

[Eric_Davis]

Kim's thrown 54 pitches and 36 for strikes.
Livingston's thrown 57 pitches and 36 for strikes.

0-0 through Four.

Let's have some good at-bats, guys this inning.

[Eric_Davis]

Lopez, have some patience. You're new to the Majors. 2 pitches 2 outs is not a way to learn the pitchers.

[MrCinatit]

Kim is one of those guys I have secretly rooted for, for a long time. It seemed like he had pretty good stuff at one time, but wow - he got brutalized by the Yankees in '01.

[Eric_Davis]

Nice recovery by Kim.

But, we got on the board and made Kim throw 18 pitches that inning.

[Eric_Davis]

Kim is one of those guys I have secretly rooted for, for a long time. It seemed like he had pretty good stuff at one time, but wow - he got brutalized by the Yankees in '01.

I remember a couple of guys a few years ago stating that they wanted him to be a RED, don't know if that was you.

[MrCinatit]

I remember a couple of guys a few years ago stating that they wanted him to be a RED, don't know if that was you.

No - while I am sort of rooting for him, I would rather root for him with another team. His numbers certainly indicate his best days were long ago. His 1.60 WHIP this year kind of backs that up.

[MrCinatit]

Hanley Ramirez, on the other hand - I would like to see him in a Reds uniform in a heartbeat.

[Eric_Davis]

Livingston has never faced a tougher situation than right now with Cabrera with the go-ahead run on 3rd and Cabrera hitting as well as he is.

[Eric_Davis]

Giving up only 1 run while facing Ramirez, Uggla and Cabrera for the third time today was highly successful in my opinion.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hatteberg leads off with an infield single.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior singles to left but is easily thrown out at 2nd. Hatteberg is at 3rd.

[flyer85]

Griffey ought to pulled after that effort, at least using the past as a standard. That was worse than what EE did.

[Eric_Davis]

Did Junior stand there and watch the hit or something? Why'd he get thrown out so easily?

[CTA513]

Another failed attempt to get a runner home from third with less than 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Intentional walk to Dunn. 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.

[flyer85]

Did Junior stand there and watch the hit or something? Why'd he get thrown out so easily?because he walked to first then tried to go to second, he compounded a lack of effort with stupidity. He should have accepted his single.

[Reds Fanatic]

Valentin grounds out to 2nd to end the inning. Big blown scoring chance there. 1-1 mid 6th.

[Eric_Davis]

Base-running blunder, Whiff, and soft-grounder to second strands the runner at 3rd with nobody out.

[flyer85]

Welsh, you're dense, the reason Kim wanted to pitch to Javy was because he knew he had the opportunity to get him out without throwing strikes. Kim threw three balls to Javy to get him out.

[Reds Fanatic]

Willingham strikes out. 5 Ks for Livingston.

[flyer85]

That inning showed why one reason why the Reds are bad, dumb play combined with hitters getting themselves out.

[Eric_Davis]

because he walked to first then tried to go to second, he compounded a lack of effort with stupidity. He should have accepted his single.

That's Freel-like....two errors on the same play.

I don't think Livingston is good enough to keep these Marlins from scoring these next two innings. We need some bonehead plays on their part.

[alloverjr]

Griffey ought to pulled after that effort, at least using the past as a standard. That was worse than what EE did.

Amen. I'd sit him for a week. That was insulting to me as a fan.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross and Linden ground out. 1-2-3 inning for Livingston. 1-1 after 6.

[Reds Fanatic]

Through 6 innings:

Kim 92 pitches
Livingston 86 pitches

[flyer85]

Amen. I'd sit him for a week. That was insulting to me as a fan.honestly I was more bothered by the end of the play where he quit running before he reached 2nd and just walked into the tag. If you didn't bust it at the beginning of the play you can at least hustle at the end.

If Dunn or EE had done it the board would go berserk(and Marty).

[Eric_Davis]

Do you pinch-hit for Livingston if there are 2 outs and a runner on?

Livingston is at 85 pitches. This should be Kim's last inning as he's coming up 3rd in the bottom of the inning and he's at 92 pitches going into the inning.

[Eric_Davis]

Nevermind, I thought Livingston was the 4th batter up this inning, not the 3rd.

[Eric_Davis]

I'd let Livingston hit with 2 outs and nobody on.

[Reds Fanatic]

Livingston singles to center with 2 outs. His 5th hit.

[Eric_Davis]

Livingston!

Hitter extraordinaire.

[Reds Fanatic]

Freel pops out to short to end the inning. 1-1 mid 7th.

[Eric_Davis]

Lohse told Livingston that he'd never see a fastball again after last week.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wood homers. 2-1 Marlins.

[Reds Fanatic]

Back to back homers. Treanor homers. 3-1 Marlins.

[CTA513]

Game should probably be tied now if the Reds could get runners in from 3rd with less than 2 outs.

[flyer85]

Petes been slowly morphing into Jerry

[Reds Fanatic]

Saarloos in to pitch.

[Eric_Davis]

14-3 Braves over Cardinals through 4.

Laugh at someone else's misery.

[Reds Fanatic]

Saarloos comes in and gets 3 quick outs. 3-1 Marlins after 7.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior flies out to the warning track in left. 2 outs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips singles to center.

[Eric_Davis]

Phillips was glad to see someone other than Kim out there.

Single up the middle.

[Reds Fanatic]

Dunn strikes out swinging. 3-1 Marlins mid 8th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cabrera singles and Willingham doubles. 4-1 Marlins.

[CTA513]

Good pitching by Saarloos.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ross gets hit in the back by the pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Coutlangus comes in and walks Linden. Bases loaded with no outs.

[CTA513]

Coutlangous comes in with 2 runners on and walks the next batter.

:roll:

[flyer85]

Good team ... yep

[Reds Fanatic]

Now Coffey comes in and gives up a 2 run single. 6-1 Marlins still no outs.

[pedro]

Good team ... yep

who said they were good?

[Reds Fanatic]

Another hit makes it 7-1 Marlins.

[Reds Fanatic]

And another hit makes it 8-1 Marlins. Still no outs.

[MrCinatit]

I have said it many times when a pitcher is sucking: Leave him in there and let him get the crap beaten out of him. Let him know he sucks. Do not waste bullpen arms on this game.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ramirez with a 3 run homer to make it 11-1 Marlins.

[BCubb2003]

I'm beginning to despise that Marooney song ...

[Reds Fanatic]

This inning so far: Single,double,HBP,WP,walk,single,single,single,HR, double

[CTA513]

Use a bench player before wasting another bullpen arm.

[Reds Fanatic]

Finally an out on a diving catch by Freel as Stone becomes the 4th pitcher this inning.

[CTA513]

Should have taken Dunn and Griffey out when he brought Stone in.

[Mario-Rijo]

I think Todd needs a trip to Single-A ala Roy Halladay. His confidence is far beyond shot right now.

[nate]

it was pretty special to come home and tune in to that 8th inning.

Special.

[CTA513]

I think Todd needs a trip to Single-A ala Roy Halladay. His confidence is far beyond shot right now.

Send him to the minors and see if Soto is available to work with him again.

[traderumor]

ring, ring

Mackanin answers the phone, sees on the caller ID that it is J. Narron. All he hears on the other end of the line is laughing, with a few "welcome to Cincinnati, Pete" decipherable between guffaws.

[BCubb2003]

Fire this manager. He keeps calling in the Reds relievers.

[oneupper]

I took an afternoon nap and woke up too late to get down to the park.

Thank you Morpheus!

[Aronchis]

Todd Coffey has to be having one of the worst years a pitcher could have. If people told you going into this year Coffey would have this type of season, you would have been laughed at.

[KittyDuran]

IIRC wasn't it Coffey last year or two years ago "tipping" his pitches? Though I don't remember if it was actually him or if they ever figured it out...:confused:

[Ltlabner]

Didn't get to hear the game (was at a roller-derby match of all things) but heard the Brenneman report detailing what happened. Yeech. "carnage" was the adjective used in reference to the 8th inning. Shame. Sounds like Bobby L pitched a decent game only to have it all go poof.

Three pitcher and not one of them can buy an out? Stunning.

[WVRedsFan]

Todd Coffey has to be having one of the worst years a pitcher could have. If people told you going into this year Coffey would have this type of season, you would have been laughed at.

It's the curse of the Krivsky extention. Only Harang is immune.

[KronoRed]

It's the curse of the Krivsky extention. Only Harang is immune.

So far :help:

[Big Klu]

The eighth inning again. :(

At least Livingston pitched decently, though I would have pulledhim after six innings. (I would have let him hit fior himself, though.)