7/26/07 - Reds vs. Brewers Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Starting Lineups:



Brewers
Weeks 2b
Hardy ss
Braun 3b
Hall cf
Mench lf
Hart rf
Graffanino 1b
Miller c
Bush p

Reds
Hatteberg 1b
Freel cf
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Keppinger ss
EE. 3b
Valentin c
Livingston p

[mbgrayson]

I'll wager that Mackanin is far less likely to be 'double-switching' today.

[lollipopcurve]

I'll be impressed if Livingston has a decent game today. That's a pretty sturdy group of RH hitters.

[oneupper]

I'll bet Graffanino at 1B has Brewerszone.com stewing.

[redsmetz]

I'll wager that Mackanin is far less likely to be 'double-switching' today.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Now there's an understatement - he might want to set up a M*A*S*H unit too!

[Danny Serafini]

Ball one high to Weeks and we're underway!

[Red Leader]

Weeks struck out, Hardy grounded out to Kepp at SS.

2 down. Braun at the plate with no one on.

[Danny Serafini]

Braun singled to left, Hall hit a soft grounder that Livingston fielded to end the inning.

[cumberlandreds]

Thanks for any PBP. WATH shut off just as the game started.

[Matt700wlw]

:griffey:

:jump:

Slumpin' no more

[Danny Serafini]

BOOM! Griffey hits one out, 1-0 Reds.

[Red Leader]

Dave Bush pitching.

Hatteberg K'd
Freel ground back to the mound.

2 outs. 0 on.

[Tom Servo]

Oh man, Junior homers and I can't see it.

[Red Leader]

And that set the stage for the Griffey solo HR with 2 outs.

[pedro]

marty doing tv. that's odd.

[Red Leader]

Phillips grounded out to SS to end the inning.

Jr. solo HR.

1-0 Reds, end of 1.

[Red Leader]

Mench grounds out to 2B to start the Brewers 2nd.

Hart up now.

[Matt700wlw]

marty doing tv. that's odd.

Huh?

[pedro]

Huh?

Maybe MLB.TV has it messed up but I'm watching and getting marty.

[Red Leader]

Hart flies out to deep left.

2 outs, 0 on. Graffanino, playing 1B today, comes up.

[dougdirt]

Marty Brennamen makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes. Or hit myself in the face with a hammer.

[Red Leader]

Graffanino lines out to Freel in CF.

Halfway through the 2nd, still 1-0 Reds.

Dunn leads off the 2nd for the Reds.

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe MLB.TV has it messed up but I'm watching and getting marty.

That's odd....radio feed

[Matt700wlw]

Marty Brennamen makes me want to pull my hair out sometimes. Or hit myself in the face with a hammer.

Pulling your hair out doesn't hurt as much...I'd go with that one :)

[Red Leader]

Dunn grounded out to 1st (is it me or has he done that a lot this series?)

Kepp up.

[cumberlandreds]

That's odd....radio feed

Neither team is having TV today. SO I suppose they are taking the radio feed to use with the picture.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Maybe MLB.TV has it messed up but I'm watching and getting marty.

This is weird, I'm watching on there too. They have the 700 WLW feed playing over the video.

[Matt700wlw]

Neither team is having TV today. SO I suppose they are taking the radio feed to use with the picture.

The way it should be....turn down the volume of the TV and listen to the radio :D

[Red Leader]

Kepp works the count full and then draws a walk.

Edwin to the plate. 1 out, man on 1st.

[jesusfan]

Kepp walks, Eddie HBP...

[Red Leader]

Edwin HBP (geeeeezzz).

Man on 1st and 2nd. 1 out.

Valentin up.

[nate]

What the hell...EE HBP...

[flyer85]

Brewers maybe trying to knock out a few more?

[jesusfan]

Cmon Javy!

[jesusfan]

Javy pops up...

[Red Leader]

Brewers maybe trying to knock out a few more?

I'm thinking they're not taking kindly to losing games to the last place team while the Cubs continue to win...

[jesusfan]

Bobo grounds out... after 2 1-0 REds...

[Red Leader]

Valentin pops out. Livingston grounds out to 2B. His consecutive hit streak has ended. Reds strand 2.

After 2, 1-0 Reds.

[JaxRed]

I'm thinking they're not taking kindly to losing games to the last place team while the Cubs continue to win...

They're not playing the Pirates...

[pedro]

This is weird, I'm watching on there too. They have the 700 WLW feed playing over the video.

It's not exactly seemless but since I'm working and only have the screen on in the background it's no big deal to me.

[Red Leader]

They're not playing the Pirates...

My bad. The Reds were in last place when the series started.

Maybe I should have said "not taking kindly losing to a team they feel they shouldn't be having problems with..."

[Matt700wlw]

My bad. The Reds were in last place when the series started.

Maybe I should have said "not taking kindly losing to a team they feel they shouldn't be having problems with..."

Maybe the Brewers really aren't all that great....they had a really hot start

[Red Leader]

D. Miller pops out to shallow RF.

Bush grounds out to SS.

2 outs, Weeks back at the plate for AB #2.

Livingston working pretty quickly these first couple innings. He had 28 pitches going into this inning.

[cumberlandreds]

Maybe the Brewers really aren't all that great....they had a really hot start

They are really missing Sheets. He needs to get back soon or they will be in real trouble.

[Red Leader]

Weeks fouls out to 1B.

I thought I cursed Livinston there, good thing. Stupid of me. My apologies.


After 2 1/2, Reds 1-0.

[jesusfan]

1-2-3 inning for Bobo.. looking good...

[Red Leader]

Livingston, 37 pitches through 3 IP.

[Matt700wlw]

Wow..triple for Hatteberg!

[Red Leader]

Hatte showing his lead off speed goes in hard to 3rd for the triple.

[jesusfan]

Hatte triples!

[Red Leader]

Freel fouled out to 1B.

[jesusfan]

Freel pops up... dang!

[Danny Serafini]

Griffey is on fire today, doubles home Hatteberg with a shot down the first base line.

[jesusfan]

Griffey is the man...

[jesusfan]

BP flies to right... c'mon Dunner

[jesusfan]

Dunn K's...

[jesusfan]

Hardy doubles...

[jesusfan]

wild pitch... Hardy to 3rd..

[jesusfan]

Braun singles... 2-1

[CTA513]

Time for Livingston to give up the lead.

[NJReds]

Braun is an impressive hitter. Really amazing start to his career.

[Matt700wlw]

Livingston struggling this inning...

[CTA513]

Graffanino is looking for a grandslam.

[jesusfan]

Bobo pulling a lohse...

[jesusfan]

2-2 game...

[Eric_Davis]

If Livingston had left that alone was that a DP? I couldn't see it.

[jesusfan]

2-2 game... mid 3...

[Reds Fanatic]

Through 3 innings Livingston is already at 58 pitches.

[Red Leader]

Damian Miller flies out to end the inning.

Brewers get 2 to tie it.

2-2 after 3 1/2.

Kepp, Encarnacion, Valentin due up for the Reds.

[Eric_Davis]

If Junior has his normal day game off, we'd be down 2-0. Bet Mackanin asked him if he'd like the day off before deciding what to do with the extra roster spot, but Junior, being the gamer that he is, said "You need me. I can go".

Junior 2, Brewers 2.

[jesusfan]

2-2 after 4..

[Eric_Davis]

Nice at-bat by Valentin there. A 6-pitch at-bat which is good for Valentin.

Not only singles to make Bush have to throw 6 more pitches to Livingston, but now Hatteberg gets to lead off the next inning insuring that Junior will get up next inning.

[redsfan30]

Good Lord...are you hearing all the stuff the 10,000,000th fan got???

[Eric_Davis]

Keppinger=Kurt Stillwell

[Eric_Davis]

Nice job by Livingston.

With Bush leading off and a 1-2-3 inning, Braun leads off next inning with nobody on.

Minimize the damage.

[Danny Serafini]

Marty sure is unimpressed with ESPN. :laugh:

[Matt700wlw]

3-3 for Junior!

[Chip R]

Marty sure is unimpressed with ESPN. :laugh:


I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

[Matt700wlw]

Marty sure is unimpressed with ESPN. :laugh:

Loueyville!

[BCubb2003]

Loueyville!

Lullvulle.

[jesusfan]

C'mon DUnn!

[Reds Fanatic]

Great AB by Dunn. A 9 pitch walk. Bases loaded.

[Danny Serafini]

Dunn draws the walk to load the bases for Keppinger.

[flyer85]

Bush has thrown a bunch of pitches this inning

[Reds Fanatic]

Keppinger singles in 2 runs. 4-2 Reds!

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger!!

[redsmetz]

Repeat of last night - sacks jammed, two run single for Kepp!

[Danny Serafini]

Keppinger is money with the bases loaded! Good job, fell behind 1-2, got it back to 3-2 and then drives them in. EE fly out ends the inning, 4-2 Reds after 5.

[jesusfan]

KEPPINGER!

[Eric_Davis]

Play By Play
Bottom of 5th
- Reds fifth.
- Hatteberg popped out to first baseman Graffanino.
- Freel flied out to left fielder Mench.
- Griffey Jr singled to center.
- B.Phillips walked on a full count, Griffey Jr to second.
- Dunn walked on a full count, Griffey Jr to third, B.Phillips to second.
- Keppinger singled to left, Griffey Jr scored, B.Phillips scored, Dunn to second.

Top of 5th
- Brewers fifth.
- Bush popped out to right fielder Griffey Jr Weeks lined out to shortstop Keppinger.
- Hardy grounded out, shortstop Keppinger to first baseman Hatteberg.

[Falls City Beer]

Maybe I'm drunk on the moment, but I don't think there's any way in hell the Brewers hold off the Cubs. They just don't have the pitching.

[flyer85]

2 games in a row Keppinger has made the Beer Boys pay for the walks.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bush is at 100 pitches after that inning.

[jesusfan]

Keppinger continues to prove exactly what I said over a month ago... He will be a .290-.310 hitter while providing clutch hitting with low strikeout rates, we need to find a place to play this kid....

[flyer85]

Maybe I'm drunk on the moment, but I don't think there's any way in hell the Brewers hold off the Cubs. They just don't have the pitching.Sheets going out changed the entire dynamic of the pitching staff.

[Eric_Davis]

Lineup
Name AB R H RBI BB
1. R Weeks, 2B 3 0 0 0 0
2. J Hardy, SS 3 1 1 0 0
3. R Braun, 3B 2 1 2 1 0
4. B Hall, CF 2 0 0 0 0
5. K Mench, LF 1 0 0 0 1
6. C Hart, RF 2 0 1 0 0
7. T Graffanino, 1B 2 0 0 1 0
8. D Miller, C 2 0 0 0 0
9. D Bush, P 2 0 0 0 0
Totals 19 2 4 2 1
Lineup
Name AB R H RBI BB
1. S Hatteberg, 1B 3 1 1 0 0
2. R Freel, CF 3 0 0 0 0
3. K Griffey Jr., RF 3 2 3 2 0
4. B Phillips, 2B 2 1 0 0 1
5. A Dunn, LF 2 0 0 0 1
6. J Keppinger, SS 2 0 1 2 1
7. E Encarnacion, 3B 2 0 0 0 0
8. J Valentin, C 2 0 1 0 0
9. B Livingston, P 2 0 0 0 0
Totals 21 4 6 4 3


Pitcher
Name IP H R ER BB K ERA*
D Bush 5 6 4 4 3 4 4.92
Pitcher
Name IP H R ER BB K ERA*
B Livingston 5 4 2 2 1 1 3.54


= Current Pitcher/Batter,
= Due Up, * = Season Stat

BATTING
2B: J Hardy (16)

BASERUNNING
SB: R Braun (9)
BATTING
2B: K Griffey Jr. (13)
3B: S Hatteberg (1)
HR: K Griffey Jr. (25)

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe I'm drunk on the moment, but I don't think there's any way in hell the Brewers hold off the Cubs. They just don't have the pitching.

I don't either....Sweet Lou at it again....the Cubs looked to be a lost hope earlier this season and Lou has got them playing some ball.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I have man-love for Jeff Keppinger. That is all.

[Matt700wlw]

That didn't take long....Brewers down by 1 again

[Eric_Davis]

Ryan Braun...is...good.

[CTA513]

Livingston is doing his best to give up the lead again.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I don't either....Sweet Lou at it again....the Cubs looked to be a lost hope earlier this season and Lou has got them playing some ball.

Castellini's first instinct as owner was to bring Lou back here--it was the right instinct and the end result of what has happened in the meantime is killing me.

[Eric_Davis]

I don't either....Sweet Lou at it again....the Cubs looked to be a lost hope earlier this season and Lou has got them playing some ball.


It was getting rid of Barrett more than anything Lou did.

[Danny Serafini]

Nothing sucks the wind out like giving up a leadoff homer after a nice rally.

[Matt700wlw]

Castellini's first instinct as owner was to bring Lou back here--it was the right instinct and the end result of what has happened in the meantime is killing me.

Lou chose Chicago...can't do much about that.

[Eric_Davis]

Junior...is...good.

[jesusfan]

Braun is crazy good...

[Matt700wlw]

Braun is crazy good...

That Brewers organization can draft...and develop.

Maybe eventually they'll win something

[CTA513]

Braun is crazy good...

I wish the Reds had someone who is hitting .500+ off lefties.

[Falls City Beer]

Sheets going out changed the entire dynamic of the pitching staff.

Losing him hurts, but it's more than just that. Their bullpen is always on the verge of being bad, even when it's good (with two volatile performers: Turnbow and Cordero).

The Cubs' middle relief has been very solid, on the other hand.

[Eric_Davis]

Only 76 pitches for Livingston...

[Eric_Davis]

Losing him hurts, but it's more than just that. Their bullpen is always on the verge of being bad, even when it's good (with two volatile performers: Turnbow and Cordero).

The Cubs' middle relief has been very solid, on the other hand.

Great signings in the off-Season. Lilly has been Cy Young like...Soriano will always pound the ball, Derek Lee is back, Marquis has been excellent for Maquis. Dempster is back. They have better catching.

[Eric_Davis]

What's nice about Hatteberg leading off is that he'll give Livingston time to rest and get ready for the next inning. He just won't get out on the first or second pitch.

[Danny Serafini]

Bobby Livingston is a hitting machine.

[Reds Fanatic]

Brian Shouse in to pitch

[Eric_Davis]

"Now batting for Juan Castro.....Bobbyyyyyyyyy Livingstonnnnnnnn".

[Matt700wlw]

"Now batting for Juan Castro.....Bobbyyyyyyyyy Livingstonnnnnnnn".

That'd be funny....and it may make Juan realize that he should hang up the cleats...

[Chip R]

"Now batting for Juan Castro.....Bobbyyyyyyyyy Livingstonnnnnnnn".

:laugh:

[Chip R]

Freel hits into a Casey.

[Matt700wlw]

Saarloos....joyous

[Reds Fanatic]

Kirk Saarloos in to pitch. That shows you what they think of Livingston's hitting he hits for himself even though he is coming out of the game.

[CTA513]

Is Livingston hurt, tired or do they want him to feel good about the 6 innings hes pitched? Just wondering, becauses hes only thrown 75 pitches.

[Falls City Beer]

Saarloos....joyous

Hey, last night you wanted anyone but Stanton. Well this is "anyone." Yep. It's really bad all around in that pen.

[Chip R]

Saarloos....joyous

:bang::bang::bang::bang::bang:

[Danny Serafini]

Thom's taking the "glass half full" approach, at least Saarloos is facing the bottom of the order.

[Matt700wlw]

:laugh:


:angry:

[Falls City Beer]

Is Livingston hurt, tired or do they want him to feel good about the 6 innings hes pitched? Just wondering, becauses hes only thrown 75 pitches.

Yeah, good question. He hit for himself. I have to imagine he hurt something. Or just precautionary.

[Danny Serafini]

The glass just emptied.

[Reds Fanatic]

Well there is Saarloos for you one hitter and there goes the lead. 4-4.

[Matt700wlw]

I am done with Kirk Saarloos...send him far, far away

[CTA513]

Guys in AAA could do that for cheaper.

[Eric_Davis]

Livingston was at 76 pitches.

Why was he replaced.

I go to do something and come back and see that a HR was given up, but then see that it wasn't even Livingston pitching.

[Matt700wlw]

Go get him, Pete! He's useless.

[Danny Serafini]

Miller draws a 4 pitch walk. Please change pitchers. Please.

[Reds Fanatic]

He follows the homer with a 4 pitch walk. Seriously why is Saarloos on the team.

[Danny Serafini]

Craig Counsell in to PH.

[Reds Fanatic]

Coffey is next.

[Danny Serafini]

Saarloos runs his consecutive batters reached streak to 10 and gets yanked. Coffey in.

[Eric_Davis]

That was really effective managing.

[WVRedsFan]

I am done with Kirk Saarloos...send him far, far away

Another masterful move by Wayne "Special K" Krivsky. We got him for nothing and that's what we got back.

[Falls City Beer]

He follows the homer with a 4 pitch walk. Seriously why is Saarloos on the team.

He's on this team because no one else in the minors likely represents any improvement over Saarloos or Stanton. The Reds' minors are just that bad.

[Matt700wlw]

Kirk Saarloos better not be on the team tomorrow...I'm serious

[Matt700wlw]

Brad Salmon please.....

[Tom Servo]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/mlb/players/20070502/5547.jpg

Zombie Counsell!

[Falls City Beer]

Brad Salmon please.....

He's no walk in the park either.

[Chip R]

He's no walk in the park either.


At least he can get people out.

[Matt700wlw]

He's no walk in the park either.

Better chance than Saarloos...can throw it hard, can miss bats, as long as he isn't wild.

I'll take my chances

[CTA513]

Brad Salmon please.....

The Reds will bring up Majewski instead.

[Eric_Davis]

help me out here guys.

Anyone on the radio or TV explain why Saarloos came out of the game?

[Matt700wlw]

The Reds will bring up Majewski instead.

I'd give him one more shot....

[Reds Fanatic]

Weeks walks. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

[Falls City Beer]

At least he can get people out.

Between giving up dingers.

[CTA513]

Coffey walks Weeks who is hitting .125 this month.

[Reds Fanatic]

help me out here guys.

Anyone on the radio or TV explain why Saarloos came out of the game?I assume you mean Livingston. Not sure he batted then came out. Maybe hurt himself running the bases. Or they just decided to use Livinston to hit since he seems to hit better than half the bench.

[Chip R]

Between giving up dingers.


Still better than Saarloos who can't get anyone out.

[Falls City Beer]

Coffey walks Weeks who is hitting .125 this month.

Weeks has been a big disappointment. Though with all the other offensive successes the Brewers have had, it was bound to happen.

[Eric_Davis]

I assume you mean Livingston. Not sure he batted then came out. Maybe hurt himself running the bases. Or they just decided to use Livinston to hit since he seems to hit better than half the bench.

Yes, I did mean Livingston. Too frustrated, I guess to type the right name.

So, no announcer is stepping up to the plate and trying to question that move by Mackinen or at least find out what happened?

[Wheelhouse]

Prediction: the Reds will DFA Saarloos. He will then go to another team as a starter and do a good job. C.Trent has been bewildered all year as to why the Reds have used Saarloos as a reliever. Some guys are not made up for the quick warmup and I think Saarloos is one of them. Another Reds hack job in handling a decent pitcher IMHO.

[flyer85]

anyone hearing Taps playing?

[Reds Fanatic]

Hardy singles. Bases loaded for Braun.

[Eric_Davis]

Frick and Frack will break my back, but these REDS will surely kill me.

[Falls City Beer]

Still better than Saarloos who can't get anyone out.

True. But the point is it's garbage out and garbage back in.

While one answer may be less bad than another, it doesn't make the former "good."

[CTA513]

Braun with a chance for a grandslam.

[cumberlandreds]

Prediction: the Reds will DFA Saarloos. He will then go to another team as a starter and do a good job. C.Trent has been bewildered all year as to why the Reds have used Saarloos as a reliever. Some guys are not made up for the quick warmup and I think Saarloos is one of them. Another Reds hack job in handling a decent pitcher IMHO.

I thought Sarloos was signed to be a fifth starter. I don't why they have insisted on using him in releif. I agree with you he's a guy who can't do the quick warmup.

[Reds Fanatic]

Braun grounds into a 6-3 DP! Tie game 4-4 mid 7th.

[flyer85]

How did Coffey get their best hitter to GIDP with one hand around his throat?

[CTA513]

Brewerzone.com not happy about Braun choking.

[nate]

Between giving up dingers.

3 HR in 20.2 IP...18 Ks, .234 BAA

He's not that bad, compared to some of these guys, he's Dennis Freaking Eckersley.

[Eric_Davis]

Keppinger with the DP!

Coffey, you gave us a little hope.

You're 27 years old. It's time to step up. You're not going to get any physically better. It's all between your ears. Oh, yeah, Brantley already had this discussion.

[Danny Serafini]

I thought Sarloos was signed to be a fifth starter. I don't why they have insisted on using him in releif. I agree with you he's a guy who can't do the quick warmup.

Belisle beat him out, so it was bullpen or send him down. Looks like AAA was the better option.

[Chip R]

True. But the point is it's garbage out and garbage back in.

While one answer may be less bad than another, it doesn't make the former "good."


I agree. But while Saarloos is useless, Salmon at least is better than that. Not a great deal better but I don't know if there's someone out there as bad as Saarloos.

[nate]

How did Coffey get their best hitter to GIDP with one hand around his throat?

Breathing through his eyelids.

[Reds Fanatic]

Carlos Villanueva in to pitch.

[flyer85]

Saarloos' K rate was a huge red flag no matter where he was used. Starters struggle to survive with a K rate under 6(unless they give up very few HRs), his K rate was ~3 last year

[Matt700wlw]

True. But the point is it's garbage out and garbage back in.

While one answer may be less bad than another, it doesn't make the former "good."

At this point, "better" is good enough. I'd rather give Salmon time to adjust in the big leagues which could make him a good bullpen option next season, than keep running out guys who aren't getting it done, and who won't improve.

[Chip R]

I thought Sarloos was signed to be a fifth starter. I don't why they have insisted on using him in releif. I agree with you he's a guy who can't do the quick warmup.


After that outing against PIT where he didn't retire a batter, I think they felt that starting wasn't in the cards for him.

[Eric_Davis]

Saarloos' K rate was a huge red flag no matter where he was used. Starters struggle to survive with a K rate under 6(unless they give up very few HRs), his K rate was ~3 last year

He wasn't a starter last year. You've got your numbers backwards.

[Falls City Beer]

At this point, "better" is good enough. I'd rather give Salmon time to adjust in the big leagues which could make him a good bullpen option next season, than keep running out guys who aren't getting it done, and who won't improve.

Well, no, better isn't "good enough." It's just less bad. I'm in favor of replacing Saarloos with Salmon, but I also have no delusions as to how it will impact the team's bottom line.

[cumberlandreds]

After that outing against PIT where he didn't retire a batter, I think they felt that starting wasn't in the cards for him.

At the moment I don't think pitching at all is in the cards for him.:p:

[Wheelhouse]

Belisle beat him out, so it was bullpen or send him down. Looks like AAA was the better option.

Or how about trading him at the end of a very good ST for a decent return? I'd start Saarloos now in place of Belisle. Might as well see if we have a decent starter on our hands. With Lohse probably gone, it's a worthwhile experiment.

[Reds Fanatic]

Junior struck out but still a good AB. Villanueva had to throw 10 pitches in that AB.

[flyer85]

He wasn't a starter last year. You've got your numbers backwards.Saarloos started 16 games last year, which accounted for 75% of his innings.

He had 37Ks in those innings(90) while giving up 15 HRs. The only reason he was even respectable was likely due to how good Oakland was defensively.

In GABP with the Reds D he was a very likely candidate to implode.

[Falls City Beer]

I'd rather guys like Burton and Salmon learn to throw strikes in AAA (but Burton doesn't have that option). Right now, neither fella knows where the ball is going, and are relying on the kindness of strangers to swing at their offerings. As you can see with Burton the other night, when guys catch on to the fact that you can't throw strikes, trouble brews fast.

[Chip R]

I'd start Saarloos now in place of Belisle. Might as well see if we have a decent starter on our hands. With Lohse probably gone, it's a worthwhile experiment.


Why? He can't get anyone out. At least Belisle can get some people out.

[Eric_Davis]

He wasn't a starter last year. You've got your numbers backwards.

flyer85, you were right about his K's being less than 3 as a starter no matter what year he was starting.

[RedsManRick]

Sarloos 3 yr spilits:

As a Starter: 48 GS, 269.2 IP, 4.47 ERA, 3.30 K/9, 3.54 BB/9, 10.31 H/9, .294 OAVG, 1.01 HR/9
As a Reliever: 22 APP, 35.2 IP, 4.04 ERA, 4.04 K/9, 3.28 BB/9, 9.34 H/9, .268 OVAG, 1.00 HR/9

Looks to me like he's marginally more effective in relief, like most pitchers. In either case, he walks too many and doesn't strikeout enough to be effective long term. He's a mop up man and emergency starter in my book. He certainly isn't short relief in a close game.

[Matt700wlw]

Well, no, better isn't "good enough." It's just less bad. I'm in favor of replacing Saarloos with Salmon, but I also have no delusions as to how it will impact the team's bottom line.

When I say at this point because of where the season is. over...if a veteran guy isn't getting it done, give the younger guys some seasoning. If he pans out, the team is better for it, if he doesn't, at least you know.

You can shop/trade for quality relief later...either this season before the deadline,, or the offseason. With the Reds standings, the offseason seems more realistic.

[lollipopcurve]

How did Coffey get their best hitter to GIDP with one hand around his throat?

If Coffey starts pitching well, Brantley will take credit.

[Eric_Davis]

The Detroit-Chisox game is Widescreen....pretty cool.

[Falls City Beer]

The Brewers have the good half of their relief corp to trot out: Shouse, Villanueva, and Cordero.

The Reds? Less so.

[Reds Fanatic]

Phillips flies out and Dunn pops out. 4-4 after 7.

[Matt700wlw]

Why? He can't get anyone out. At least Belisle can get some people out.

I'd replace Saarloos in the pen with Belisle...I'd be all for that. Send Saarloos away.

Then you need a starter....word is Gosling could get his shot....I'd like to see what Dumatrait can do. Gosling, based on what we've seen, looks to me like a good option for a lefty specialist....

[lollipopcurve]

I agree. But while Saarloos is useless, Salmon at least is better than that. Not a great deal better but I don't know if there's someone out there as bad as Saarloos.

Saarloos is toast. I didn't mind the acquisition at the time, but he has shown absolutely nothing this year -- and that includes his stint in AAA.

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff double by the Reds killer Hall.

[Eric_Davis]

The Brewers have the good half of their relief corp to trot out: Shouse, Villanueva, and Cordero.

The Reds? Less so.

...and Linebrink

[flyer85]

The Brewers have the good half of their relief corp to trot out: Shouse, Villanueva, and Cordero.

The Reds? Less so.The Reds are a few pitchers short of a good half.

[Eric_Davis]

Can Coffey just try to have a decent inning?

Why does he try to make everything so frickin' difficult?

[Reds Fanatic]

Mench grounds out to Coffey. Hall stays at 2nd. 1 out.

[Matt700wlw]

Coffey gives up the lead.

I, for one, do not pitch him multiple innings....if he can get through one, consider yourself lucky.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hart singles in a run. 5-4 Brewers.

[Eric_Davis]

Coffey. You're washed up at 27 years old.

You choke. You don't have a mental game.

[Wheelhouse]

Why? He can't get anyone out. At least Belisle can get some people out.

In giving Saarloos a last chance, give him the benefit of a doubt and assume he just can't warm up quickly enough to relieve. Give him 4 or 5 starts and see if he shows the form of his 2005 season where he started 27 games and had a 4.14 ERA (which would probably translate into a sub-4.00 ERA in the NL).

[WVRedsFan]

Coffey. You're washed up at 27 years old.

You choke. You don't have a mental game.

Why it's Jeff Brantley right here on /RedsZone !;)

[oneupper]

Freel threw a grounder to home.

[Matt700wlw]

8th inning :bang:

[Chip R]

Ah, the 8th inning. It smells like... defeat.

[WVRedsFan]

Freel threw a grounder to home.

Mental error. Now the runner's at 2nd. It's the little things that most of this team mises.

Did he have a chance for him at home?

[Eric_Davis]

Freel has a crappy arm.

[oneupper]

Mental error. Now the runner's at 2nd. It's the little things that most of this team mises.

Did he have a chance for him at home?

Hamilton did.

[CTA513]

Coffey should walk Miller so Fielder can pinch hit.

[Eric_Davis]

Hamilton did.


Hopper would have had him, too.

[oneupper]

EE flashing some leather. If only he could hit now.

[Eric_Davis]

Unbelievably, we still have a good chance to win this game.

[Falls City Beer]

You guys seldom take into account how difficult it is for an OF to get an assist from centerfield. It just doesn't happen that often for a reason. Hamilton, Vlad, no one gets Hall at home on that.

[Reds Fanatic]

Turnbow in to pitch.

[Falls City Beer]

Hopper would have had him, too.

That's nonsense. Hopper's got a crap arm too.

[Eric_Davis]

Unbelievably, we still have a good chance to win this game.


....unless Castro pinch-hits.

[BCubb2003]

Mental error. Now the runner's at 2nd. It's the little things that most of this team mises.


Absolutely. Worse than giving away outs on offense is a defense allowing another base without an out.

[Matt700wlw]

....unless Castro pinch-hits.

He can't hit with 2 good elbows...imagine him with 1

[Eric_Davis]

That's nonsense. Hopper's got a crap arm too.


Right....that's why he's got five times as many assists in half the innings played as Freel, and more assists per inning played than anyone on the team.

[Falls City Beer]

Worse than giving away outs on offense is a defense allowing another base without an out.

Worse? How?

[Eric_Davis]

You guys seldom take into account how difficult it is for an OF to get an assist from centerfield. It just doesn't happen that often for a reason. Hamilton, Vlad, no one gets Hall at home on that.


Ichiro does.

[Chip R]

Freel has a crappy arm.


Actually, he has a good arm. I think what happens is he gets overanxious and forgets how to release the ball properly at times.

[Eric_Davis]

Why can't Ed E steal a base? Does he have legs of cement or something? He's a young kid. He shouldn't be that slow.

[oneupper]

OK. Edwin was out. But that was NOT a strike.

[Razor Shines]

He was out by a lot on a breaking ball. He must have had a really bad jump.

[Danny Serafini]

Encarnacion was probably sore from getting hit by all those pitches today. It's like he's wearing a target.

[CTA513]

Encarnacion was hit twice, will the Reds pitchers do anything about it?

[oneupper]

Why can't Ed E steal a base? Does he have legs of cement or something? He's a young kid. He shouldn't be that slow.

That's the first time he's been thrown out. I think something was mixed up there.

[Falls City Beer]

Right....that's why he's got five times as many assists in half the innings played as Freel, and more assists per inning played than anyone on the team.

An assist doesn't have to be from centerfield to home, you know, right? And Freel had 12 assists from the outfield last season--and I STILL know the guy has a weenie arm, despite those assists.

[Danny Serafini]

Coutlangus in to pitch.

[Reds Fanatic]

Fielder pinch hitting for Turnbow.

[BCubb2003]

Worse? How?

Well, the idea is that outs are too valuable for an offense to give away, even if it means the possibility of an extra base.

So when you're on defense, why on earth would you give away that base without even getting an out in return? You might as well have a sign that says, "Free bases here: You don't have to spend an out."

[Eric_Davis]

This team is so crappy at fundamentals. The minor league system was absolutely horrible under Bowden. I hope Dan O changed it enough with coaches from outside the organization to make a difference, and if he didn't Krivsky needs to get rid of coaches who can't teach fundamentals.

[Eric_Davis]

That's the first time he's been thrown out. I think something was mixed up there.


He has ZERO....ZERO...ZERO...ZERO... stolen bases all year.

[CTA513]

He has ZERO....ZERO...ZERO...ZERO... stolen bases all year.

He has 7 stolen bases this season.

[Falls City Beer]

Hopper has only 4 assists this season, btw.

[Reds Fanatic]

Weeks is hit by the pitch. Hardy singles. 1st and 2nd.

[CTA513]

Braun is hitting .534 off lefties this season.

[Eric_Davis]

At least we're still perfect when leading after 8.

[Reds Fanatic]

For the 2nd time today they get out of jam when Braun grounds into a DP. 5-4 Brewers mid 9th.

[Reds Fanatic]

A pinch hitter, Hatteberg and Freel due up in the 9th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Cordero in to pitch.

[Eric_Davis]

He has 7 stolen bases this season.


That makes more sense. The Fox Game Trax had him with zero stolen bases. I had actually typed the question and sent it before Edwin took off on that play.

[oneupper]

Cordero.

[Reds Fanatic]

Is Gameday broken or is Coutlangus really hitting for himself.

[BRM]

Gameday is showing Coutlangus hitting. Is that right?

[CTA513]

Is Gameday broken or is Coutlangus really hitting for himself.

I hope its Gameday thats messed up.

[Matt700wlw]

Well, good start!


Is this a tease, or is this real?

[redsmetz]

Hopper batted for Cout and opened with a double.