8/7/2007 Reds vs. Dodgers - Game Thread

[CTA513]

Reds Dodgers
Hopper cf Furcal ss
Phillips 2b Pierre cf
Griffey rf Martin c
Conine 1b Kent 2b
Dunn lf Gonzalez lf
Encarnacion 3b Garciaparra 3b
Gonzalez ss Ethier rf
Ross c Loney 1b
Arroyo p Hendrickson p

Arroyo: 4-12, 4.72 ERA Hendrickson: 4-5, 4.55 ERA

Game Time: 7:10 p.m. ET
TV: FSN
Radio: WLW 700



Career stats for the pitchers against batters (from ESPNs website)

vs. Hendrickson
Hopper: 0 ABs
Phillips: 5 for 8 with a HR and 2 RBIs
Griffey: 4 for 6 with a HR, 3 RBIs, 2 BB and 1 K
Conine: 3 for 18 with 2 Doubles, 2 RBIs, 4 BB and 1 K
Dunn: 3 for 5 with 1 RBI and 1 K
Encarnacion: 0 for 2 with 2 Ks
Gonzalez: 4 for 10 with a Triple, 2 RBIs, 1 BB and 1 K
Ross: 1 for 5 with 1 K
Arroyo: 0 ABs


vs. Arroyo
Furcal: 6 for 19 with 2 Ks
Pierre: 7 for 20 with a Double, Triple and 1 K
Martin: 3 for 6 with 2 RBIs
Kent: 2 for 5
Gonzalez: 3 for 10 with 2 Doubles, 3 RBIs and 1 BB
Garciaparra: 2 for 2 with a Double and 1 BB
Ethier: 1 for 5 with 1 RBI, 1 BB and 1 K
Loney: 2 for 3 with 1 Double and 1 RBI
Hendrickson: 0 ABs

[BRM]

There's nothing better than having Jeff Conine hit cleanup during a lost season.

[Matt700wlw]

There's nothing better than having Jeff Conine hit cleanup during a lost season.

While guys like Votto and Bruce are at AAA tearing it up...

[BRM]

While guys like Votto and Bruce are at AAA tearing it up...

Those guys aren't ready...

[Red Leader]

Well, if history proves correct, this one should be a pitcher's duel. :p:

[Matt700wlw]

Those guys aren't ready...

Oh yeah...I forgot.

[BRM]

I hope Pete can find an inning for the savior to pitch tonight.

[joshnky]

When Narron was here I longed for a consistent lineup. Now we have consistency in the lineup but its now consistently bad. I've realized that the only thing worse than not knowing how bad each night's lineup might be is knowing how bad it will be.

[KronoRed]

Seems like a lot of major league managers use the lead off spot as a place where they put some guy who they don't have another spot for :eek:

[BRM]

Respective OBP's vs LHP in the batting order:

1) .353
2) .358
3) .333
4) .331
5) .301
6) .333
7) .282
8) .297

It's not all that bad when you look at it from that perspective. I'm still no fan of Young Body hitting cleanup but my "who cares" meter is going off at this point.

[puca]

Respective OBP's vs LHP in the batting order:

1) .353
2) .358
3) .333
4) .331
5) .301
6) .333
7) .282
8) .297

It's not all that bad when you look at it from that perspective. I'm still no fan of Young Body hitting cleanup but my "who cares" meter is going off at this point.

Well, it's awful from that perspective, but somewhat understandable. Can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

Need to call out the person that grew the turnip.

[BRM]

Well, it's awful from that perspective, but somewhat understandable. Can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

Need to call out the person that grew the turnip.

I agree. It's sad looking at the numbers vs LHP but "it is what it is".

[Tom Servo]

Lineup needs more Country Kepp.

[Redsland]

Certainly there's room for Bellhorn somewhere in that lineup.

;)

[Joseph]

I wish we had Russell Martin playing catcher for us.

[LincolnparkRed]

I wish we had Russell Martin playing catcher for us.

Not me, I saw his dirty take out slide on Castro (it was a blatant cheap shot) and would say I would be loathe to root for someone like that.

[Matt700wlw]

Let's hope they don't fail tonight....they have to learn how to lose now...that's the new plan.

[Matt700wlw]

97 degrees.


Mercy.

[pahster]

Michael Gosling: Promising Young Left-hander?

[KronoRed]

Promising for who?

[pahster]

Promising for who?

That's what I was wondering.

Where's Arroyo's breaking pitches?

[Matt700wlw]

Hopper should only push-bunt.

[Tom Servo]

I still say Hopper should push bunt every at-bat.


Thom heaping the praise on like Norris like he was Marty.

[Heath]

I still say Hopper should push bunt every at-bat.


Thom heaping the praise on like Norris like he was Marty.

The only thing Hopper should be pushing is a broom after each game in the dugout.

I don't care if he's scrappy or plays the game the right way or hustles, you can't steal 1st base.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunner!

If there were less than 2 outs, that would have been productive ;)

[Tom Servo]

Too bad Dunn isn't a run producer.

[Tom Servo]

EdE!

[Matt700wlw]

Thankfully, Coffey is still here to hold the lead later

:)

[flyer85]

Martin got way out from the plate on that throw

[KronoRed]

Lets trade those guys :D

[Matt700wlw]

I guess Josh should be back within the week....and Majewski cut all his hair off...including facial hair.

[Eric_Davis]

Encarnacion with Runners in Scoring Position:

.326 AVG
.425 OBP
.467 SLG
.892 OPS

Why would anyone want to trade this guy?

[Tom Servo]

I guess Josh should be back within the week....and Majewski cut all his hair off...including facial hair.
Well then for the first time in a long time I actually want to see Majewski.

[Chip R]

I guess Josh should be back within the week....and Majewski cut all his hair off...including facial hair.


Eyebrows too?

[Matt700wlw]

Eyebrows too?

That'd be freaky

[CTA513]

According to gameday they gave Encarnacion a single and said he went to 3rd on the throw home. Any reason why they gave him a single and not a double?

[VR]

Respective OBP's vs LHP in the batting order:

1) .353
2) .358
3) .333
4) .331
5) .301
6) .333
7) .282
8) .297

It's not all that bad when you look at it from that perspective. I'm still no fan of Young Body hitting cleanup but my "who cares" meter is going off at this point.

Does it look goofy when you compare slugging % vs. lefties.

[Eric_Davis]

According to gameday they gave Encarnacion a single and said he went to 3rd on the throw home. Any reason why they gave him a single and not a double?

I went with mlb and the single when I updated his RISP numbers, but Fox sports gave him a double.

[Matt700wlw]

That blonde was......stacked...

[pahster]

According to gameday they gave Encarnacion a single and said he went to 3rd on the throw home. Any reason why they gave him a single and not a double?

That had to be a mistake. It should have been a double.

[Doc. Scott]

Was that Hendrickson's first hit of the season?

[VR]

Was that Hendrickson's first hit of the season?

looks like it....1-24 now

[Cyclone792]

Ya gotta love good ole Joe. We're listening to the Cincinnati Reds Bell Telephone Network tonight.

[Matt700wlw]

Ya gotta love good ole Joe. We're listening to the Cincinnati Reds Bell Telephone Network tonight.

Gotta get the sponsors in :D

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Woo BP 21-21

[VR]

Looked to be a nice recovery by Arroyo in the 3rd.

Thought Phillips was going to walk there for a moment :)

[Tom Servo]

BP!

[Matt700wlw]

:phillips:

:jump:

[Big Klu]

Not me, I saw his dirty take out slide on Castro (it was a blatant cheap shot) and would say I would be loathe to root for someone like that.

Thanks for reminding me--I had forgotten about that. Martin has something coming to him.



The only thing Hopper should be pushing is a broom after each game in the dugout.

I don't care if he's scrappy or plays the game the right way or hustles, you can't steal 1st base.

Hopper is a serviceable backup OF with a good OBP vs. LHP.

[Tom Servo]

Uh-oh, this doesn't look good.

[Big Klu]

Uh-oh...Griffey's hobbling.

[Tom Servo]

Junior looks to be alright.

[Matt700wlw]

Hope Junior's ok....we don't need Conine playing the outfield....or a 24th pitcher on the roster

[VR]

Gonzo with his 7th walk since Memorial Day already. Look out Barry Bonds.

[Matt700wlw]

Well...yeah

[Big Klu]

Well...yeah

That just about says it all.

How can you get picked off first by the catcher with the bases loaded and two outs?!

[VR]

Did gameday have a typo.....or did Gonzo just really pull a Ryan Freel?

[VR]

That just about says it all.

How can you get picked off first by the catcher with the bases loaded and two outs?!

He'll really feel bad after Ross homers.

[Big Klu]

Thom Brennaman asks Brantley if there is any 2B in the last 10-15 years who he would rather have than Jeff Kent. (He prefaced it by saying not necessarily today, which I assume is because younger players like Chase Utley and Brandon Phillips are on the rise.) Brantley says no, but if you let him go back to the 70's, he would take Joe Morgan.

I agree with Jeff regarding Morgan, but even in the limited time frame that Thom mentioned, I would take Roberto Alomar from 10 years ago over Kent.

[Matt700wlw]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?

[pahster]

I agree with Jeff regarding Morgan, but even in the limited time frame that Thom mentioned, I would take Roberto Alomar from 10 years ago over Kent.

That's what I was thinking. Maybe Biggio, too.

[Eric_Davis]

Syzmanski breaks up a shutout in the 6th with a HR...2nd hit of the game for Sarasota, down 7-1.

[VR]

That's what I was thinking. Maybe Biggio, too.


I'd take a hard look at Sandberg as well.

[MrCinatit]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?



I would put him down as a "no".

[joshnky]

Syzmanski breaks up a shutout in the 6th with a HR...2nd hit of the game for Sarasota, down 7-1.

No offense but these posts make it kind of confusing to follow this thread. For a second I didn't realize you were talking minor league and thought Arroyo lost the shut out.

[pedro]

I would put him down as a "no".

I'm gonna vote yes.

[VR]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?

Hard to say no when compared to his peers....today or 50 years ago.

[BCubb2003]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?

Not famous enough.

[VR]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?

Bronson Arroyo says "nyet"

[VR]

Bronson on pace for a 140 pitch shutout.

I say "win now" and push him the distance.

[Big Klu]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?

I say no, for now.


Hard to say no when compared to his peers....today or 50 years ago.

Except his peers are at first base and third base. He has always been a 1B/3B playing at 2B. He doesn't have the range or defensive skills to play 2B, but the teams that he has played for overlook that because he hits like a 1B/3B.

[VR]

I say no, for now.



Except his peers are at first base and third base. He has always been a 1B/3B playing at 2B. He doesn't have the range or defensive skills to play 2B, but the teams that he has played for overlook that because he hits like a 1B/3B.

your assertions may be correct....but I don't think the Hall penalizes him for that.

[Eric_Davis]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay? I sure hope not.

If he gets in Dale Murphy should get in.

One MVP and 4 Silver Sluggers for Kent.

6th, 8th, and 9th in 3 other years voting for MVP for Kent.

5-time All-Star...shows how much the fans and coaches appreciate him.

0 Gold Gloves

Gray Ink: Batting - 71 (331) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 49.9 (75) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 118.0 (120) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.


Murphy:

Two MVP's, 7th, 9th, 11th, and 12th in 4 others.

7-time All-Star

5 Gold Gloves

Lou Gehrig Memorial Award

Roberto Clemente Award

4 Silver Sluggers

4 Runs Created Titles

2 RBI Titles, 1 second.

2 Homerun Titles, 3 seconds, 1 third, 1 fourth

1 OPS title, 3 seconds

Black Ink: Batting - 31 (54) (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 147 (90) (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 34.3 (199) (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 115.5 (124) (Likely HOFer > 100)
Overall Rank in parentheses.

[Eric_Davis]

Glad to see Arroyo's not hurt. Not one walk today.

[Eric_Davis]

Biggio and Alomar are real 2nd baseman. Kent is not.

[Eric_Davis]

No offense but these posts make it kind of confusing to follow this thread. For a second I didn't realize you were talking minor league and thought Arroyo lost the shut out.

That was a mistake. Thought I was in the minor league thread.

[Matt700wlw]

Bronson out...Stanton in.

[Eric_Davis]

Comparable player by age for Dale Murphy:

*denotes Hall-of-Famer

Troy Glaus (977) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Charlie Spikes (951) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Willie Horton (955) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Jimmy Wynn (963) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Jimmy Wynn (953) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Tony Conigliaro (958) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (948) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (944) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (946) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (948) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (951) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (941) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (918) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Reggie Jackson (917) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Dwight Evans (896) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
Joe Carter (899) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C

For 8 years during Dale's prime, he paralleled the prime of Reggie Jackson's career. Injuries prevented him from tacking on meaningless numbers late in a career that forced him into retirement, but he dominated the National League for a whole decade (before those 8 years he led the league in Power/Speed numbers in 1983). That, to me is the ultimate definition of a Hall-of-Famer, someone who dominated a league for a decade.

[KronoRed]

Quick poll...

Jeff Kent - Hall of Fame?

Yay or nay?

Close but no.

[Big Klu]

Bronson out...Stanton in.

I shuddered when Stanton came in--though I agreed with the decision to pull Arroyo. Fortunately, Stanton got the job done in the 7th.

[Big Klu]

Stanton out, Burton in.

[Tommyjohn25]

I like Jared Burton.


That is all...

[nate]

Pretty sweet DP...AGon to BP to Youngbody. LuGo grounds out to Conine. Burton gets out of the inning with no runs allowed.

Mid 8, Reds 4, Dodgers 0

Looked like Eddie G was warming up.

[nate]

I like Jared Burton.


That is all...

Me too. He's pitched well...especially recently.

[The_jbh]

There we go Burto!!!!!

Maybe we got a good reliever on our hands... a real set up guy

[Matt700wlw]

Me too. He's pitched well...especially recently.

He may get sent down if he's not careful

[nate]

Burton and Cooter, in addition to sounding like a late-70's / early 80's cop show, may be a good lefty / righty duo for the next coupla years.

[The_jbh]

Brantley says Gosling has found his nitch in the majors?

a bad reliever?

they claim a legitimate loogy... maybe

[nate]

Brantley says Gosling has found his nitch in the majors?

a bad reliever?

they claim a legitimate loogy... maybe

I bet he likes to announce his presence with authority.

[The_jbh]

Closer Weathers
Set up Burton and Coutlangus
Middle Salmon and McBeth
Loogy Gosling
Long Reliever random guy...

Thats not a terrible bullpen IMO for next yr... not good or great but not atrocious and detrimental

[Matt700wlw]

they claim a legitimate loogy... maybe

I could see it.

Against lefties, he appears to be confident...against righties, not so much.

[The_jbh]

I could see it.

Against lefties, he appears to be confident...against righties, not so much.

His split is good... I'd rather have Bray on the roster than Gosling and have a guy that can get both righties and lefties out (in theory)...

[The_jbh]

Eddie E staying hot... Can his performance of late reassert himself as the 3B of the future... Hopefully impressing the next GM of the Cincinnati Reds

[nate]

EE having a pretty good night with a single to left. That's 3-4 with 2 RBIs.

[nate]

The Gonz Ks swinging to end the inning.

Will we see Eddie G?

[Tom Servo]

aww, I wanted to see Eddie.

[nate]

Nope, its Weathers in to face Nomar.

[nate]

Nomah flies out to Jr. 1 down.

[nate]

Ethier flies to Dunn, 2 down.

[Big Klu]

Closer Weathers
Set up Burton and Coutlangus
Middle Salmon and McBeth
Loogy Gosling
Long Reliever random guy...

Thats not a terrible bullpen IMO for next yr... not good or great but not atrocious and detrimental


His split is good... I'd rather have Bray on the roster than Gosling and have a guy that can get both righties and lefties out (in theory)...

You could have them both--Gosling could be the long reliever. I wouldn't mind the long man being a lefty--it would put a third LHP in the pen.

[KronoRed]

Hooray

[Eric_Davis]

I still like seeing the Dodgers lose.

[nate]

Loney grounds out to Gonzo.

Reds win.

And they win now.

[Big Klu]

Really good business-like effort by the Reds tonight! :thumbup:

[The_jbh]

wow I didnt realize we haven't beat the dodgers since 2005... lost 9 straight

good win team

[Matt700wlw]

For a team that is supposed to be learning how to lose, they failed miserably.

[Big Klu]

For a team that is supposed to be learning how to lose, they failed miserably.

Well, they've failed at everything else this year! :D

[Big Klu]

I wish they still had "The Star Of The Game Show" on the radio broadcasts--especially when Joe Nuxhall is working, so he can give his trademark signoff: "This is the Old Lefthander, rounding third and heading for home. Good night, everyone."

Tonight's Star Of The Game would be Bronson Arroyo.

[Matt700wlw]

I wish they still had "The Star Of The Game Show" on the radio broadcasts--especially when Joe Nuxhall is working, so he can give his trademark signoff: "This is the Old Lefthander, rounding third and heading for home. Good night, everyone."

Tonight's Star Of The Game would be Bronson Arroyo.

It doesn't bother me either way, but I know Seg and Springer would like to have it back so they have some audio cuts to use. Seg gets some stuff while he's down there, but the "Star of the Game" show really helped them out.

I think it was becoming more of a hassle, so they did away with it.

[Falls City Beer]

I wish they still had "The Star Of The Game Show" on the radio broadcasts--especially when Joe Nuxhall is working, so he can give his trademark signoff: "This is the Old Lefthander, rounding third and heading for home. Good night, everyone."

Tonight's Star Of The Game would be Bronson Arroyo.

I agree 100%. I always got the feeling that the players loved and got a kick out of talking to Nux. I think it was a great segment too. Though I can understand if Nux doesn't want to do it.

[smith288]

Back from the game...

A few notes:

-Section 133 Row F is good seats. I recommend.
-Was Conine looking for Phillips when Hopper threw in that ball from OF? They had him if Brandon throws it.
-There is about 3 vendors for every one person..jeez.
-Only Brandon Phillips came out prior to the game and sign. Sort of crappy.
-Saw Javy Valentin at Kings Island... 5'10" my butt. Dude's every bit of 5'8" 220. I didnt bother him. He, his wife Ingrid and his kids were there in the shallow pool. He doesn't strike you as a ball player. He needs to get in better shape but im not going to judge the guy... He is in the majors and I spend my days typing on a keyboard.
-Arroyo looked good. Confident and in a groove. His stuff was wicked. The humidity must have been working for him.
-Went to the reds HOF. Very nice. Wish we had more time to peruse rather than rush for the game.
-People who move seats during the game drive me nuts. Blocked my son's view twice.
-Ushers are still unfriendly. Grumpy old men even when you are nice to them (bad experiences dating back to the early 90's).

That's all for now..sorry it wasnt more about the game but when you go as infrequently as i do, you tend to take in more of the smaller details.

[Eric_Davis]

Strangely, I am getting the entire game replayed on mlb.com when it has neve been available before without paying. I was just checking the highlights and wallah! there it was.

I think I'll watch it.

[WVRedsFan]

I agree 100%. I always got the feeling that the players loved and got a kick out of talking to Nux. I think it was a great segment too. Though I can understand if Nux doesn't want to do it.

If I remember correctly, they had trouble getting players to participate, especially from opposing teams, so they dropped the show (Matt, correct me if I'm wrong).

[camisadelgolf]

I got back from the game a few hours ago. I was in section 132, row A. The seats were awesome, and I couldn't believe how up close everything seemed. I can verify what smith288 said about Brandon Phillips. Before, during, and after the game, there were constantly people stealing seats in my row and trampling all over me to get to them. Also, there was a group of three young men behind me who talked about their personal lives the entire game; it was very annoying. They barely looked at the game at all and seemed like they couldn't've cared less what happened. Way to enjoy those $50 tickets, guys. :rolleyes:

I mentioned to security about all the people in my area who were walking all over my friend and me, but security only made two half-assed efforts to do anything (which resulted in nothing).

Arroyo looked awesome, but it seemed like he was throwing too many pitches at times. Mackanin took him out at the right time. Mackanin took out Stanton at the right time, too. What got into Jared Burton? I'm falling in love with the guy.

I was really nervous when Griffey only got a single on the ball he lined into the corner. I thought for sure that he pulled/tore something. It's so sad that that's one of the first things I thought. Speaking of Griffey, he seemed miserable.

In the middle of the game, one of the workers on the field (I think his job is to report potential problems to security) got a ball from the dugout (maybe Griffey gave it to him) and walked it to a very young girl in section 133.

Every time Jeff Conine got out (which happened a lot tonight), someone yelled "JOEY VOTTO!"

Mariano Duncan, the Dodgers first base coach, was flicking sunflower seeds at the first base umpire and was incredibly accurate from long distances. I was very impressed. I asked Mariano Duncan if he ever talks to Herm Winningham, but I got no response.

Billy Hatcher still blows amazingly large bubbles. He could jump out of an airplane, and as long as he has a pack of bubblegum, I think he'd land just fine.

I had a great time at the game and ate way too many hot dogs. When I say "way too many hot dogs," I mean, "seven hot dogs--but I'll try to eat more tomorrow."

[redsmetz]

I agree 100%. I always got the feeling that the players loved and got a kick out of talking to Nux. I think it was a great segment too. Though I can understand if Nux doesn't want to do it.

And it was always fun to see how many answers Nuxie could elicit without ever once asking a question!

[Chip R]

If I remember correctly, they had trouble getting players to participate, especially from opposing teams, so they dropped the show (Matt, correct me if I'm wrong).


I heard that too several years ago but they kept doing the show most of the time. :dunno:

I was driving to work last night when I heard the Reds turn that DP. According to Joe it went Rodriguez to Phillips to Conine. :lol:

[Matt700wlw]

If I remember correctly, they had trouble getting players to participate, especially from opposing teams, so they dropped the show (Matt, correct me if I'm wrong).

That's a big part of it.

We cut it really close a few times last year, because you only have a certain amount of time to find someone, record it, and get back to the booth.

To much hassle.