8/9/2007 Reds vs. Dodgers - Game Thread

[BRM]

Lineups per C. Trent.

Reds
Hopper cf
Keppinger lf
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Hatteberg 1b
Valentin c
Encarnacion 3b
Gonzalez ss
Dumatrait p

Dodgers
Furcal ss
Martin c
Saenz 1b
Kent 2b
Kemp rf
Young lf
Pierre cf
Martinez 3b
Tomko p

[Matt700wlw]

it's gonna be HOT!

REAL HOT! DAMN HOT!

[LincolnparkRed]

Lineups per C. Trent.

Hopper cf
Keppinger lf
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Hatteberg 1b
Valentin c
Encarnacion 3b
Gonzalez ss
Dumatrait p

Country Kepp in left should be interesting

why would valentin hit 6th in any sane lineup? I get wistful for Narron's the catcher bats 8th lineups when I see this.

[cumberlandreds]

Is anyone doing PBP today? It would most appreciated and make the afternoon go by faster here at work.

[cumberlandreds]

it's gonna be HOT!

REAL HOT! DAMN HOT!

I just looked at forecast for Cincy. 101 !!! :eek:

It was 102 here in DC yesterday that broke a record for the date.

[remdog]

Substitute Hamilton in CF for Hopper and you get an idea what the 2008 might look like if the Reds don't pick up Adam Dunn's option.

Rem

[puca]

Has a reason be given for Dunn's absence from the lineup? Curious that he would be sitting with RH Tomko on the mound.

[PuffyPig]

Substitute Hamilton in CF for Hopper and you get an idea what the 2008 might look like if the Reds don't pick up Adam Dunn's option.

Rem

I still think there is zero chance that Dunn's option gets declined.

If Dunn is gone, the Reds will get a better LF than Keppinger.

BTW, is there some reason why Dunn isn't in the lineup today? he just had 2 off days a few days ago.

[remdog]

I agree that any rational team picks up Dunn's option. Well, I did say rational so.....:rolleyes:

Rem

[BRM]

Dunn has an interesting career line against Tomko - .188/.381/.563/.943. He's 3-16 with 5 walks. 2 of his 3 hits have been homers.

[BRM]

Thanks to markymark in The Sun Deck for the info on Dunn.


Mackaninin on the pre-game show said he was just giving Dunn a day off. He didn't ask for one, it was just a manager's decision.

He went on the say that he needs Keppinger's bat in the line-up as much as possible and was excited about seeing him in the outfield.

[CTA513]

The Dodgers will snap that scoreless innings streak today.

[Matt700wlw]

This could get ugly fast

[BRM]

The Dodgers will snap that scoreless innings streak today.

Like in the 1st inning today. Bases loaded with no outs for Jeff Kent.

[flyer85]

looks like the Reds are punting today

[edabbs44]

He went on the say that he needs Keppinger's bat in the line-up as much as possible and was excited about seeing him in the outfield.

That could be the most disturbing quote of all-time. If Cincy "needs" Keppinger's bat in the line-up "as much as possible", then a fire sale of biblical proportions is in order.

[pahster]

Dumatriat has them right where he wants them.

[BRM]

I'm not sure I understand Dunn getting a day off when he's already had 2 days off this week but oh well, what can you do?

Kent with a sac fly. 1-0 Dodgers.

[CTA513]

The scoreless streak is over after Kent hits a sac fly.

[BRM]

Jeff Conine's replacement for next year singled just ahead of Kent's sac fly. Just thought I'd mention it. :)

[puca]

Interesting since Dunn just had two days off ealier this week.


Mackaninin on the pre-game show said he was just giving Dunn a day off. He didn't ask for one, it was just a manager's decision.

[BRM]

Dumatrait pitches out of the jam. Kemp hits into a 6-4-3 to end the inning.

[RedsManRick]

Off day for Dunn against a righty?

FYI, Javy Valentin's 3 yr splits:
vL: 102 AB, .137/.254/.196
vR: 507 AB, .286/.340/.501

We should be asking why he's not batting higher. In fact, we should be asking why he's the right handed part of the 1B platoon instead of Conine. It would be a great way to get him more PT and perhaps he could be used to give Votto a break next year against tough lefties. Phillips has a .247/.301/.400 line versus righties this year.

[edabbs44]

Jeff Conine's replacement for next year singled just ahead of Kent's sac fly. Just thought I'd mention it. :)

I hope Wayne doesn't read rotoworld


Brewers released RHP Elmer Dessens.

Dessens lasted a week on the roster after returning from the disabled list and figures to latch on somewhere as a middle reliever despite his 6.60 ERA for the Brewers.

[Matt700wlw]

Elmer!

[PuffyPig]

Off day for Dunn against a righty?

FYI, Javy Valentin's 3 yr splits:
vL: 102 AB, .137/.254/.196
vR: 507 AB, .286/.340/.501

We should be asking why he's not batting higher. In fact, we should be asking why he's the right handed part of the 1B platoon instead of Conine. It would be a great way to get him more PT and perhaps he could be used to give Votto a break next year against tough lefties. Phillips has a .247/.301/.400 line versus righties this year.

You way want to reread those splits. Javier can't hit lefties.

[BRM]

Hopper singled to get the Reds half of the 1st started.

[puca]

Okay, so Hopper apparently (according to Tom) misplays a flyball that directly leads to a Dodger run, but when he leads off with a single Marty's Hopper lovefest begins.

[edabbs44]

You way want to reread those splits. Javier can't hit lefties.

Can't hit lefties is a bit of an understatement.

[jesusfan]

Country Kepp with a single... 1st and 2nd for JR!

[RedsManRick]

You way want to reread those splits. Javier can't hit lefties.

Oops. Never mind. :cool:

[BRM]

Kepp with an infield single.

[BRM]

Junior flies out but both runners move up. 2nd and 3rd with 1 out.

[jesusfan]

Jr. flies to deep center... runners advance.. small ball!

[westofyou]

Has a reason be given for Dunn's absence from the lineup? Curious that he would be sitting with RH Tomko on the mound.

I think it's because he wore down last year and it's a zillion degrees out and the Reds shouldn't worry about "Winning Now" plus, they're not going to sign him so why does it matter.

Or he needs a break because he plays everyday and has been for the last 4 seasons.

[jesusfan]

1-1, BP grounds to short...

[edabbs44]

1-1, BP grounds to short...

Productive out...glad he didn't K. :)

[Matt700wlw]

1-1, BP grounds to short...

The Anti-Dunn ;)

[jesusfan]

1-1 after 1...

[puca]

I think it's because he wore down last year and it's a zillion degrees out and the Reds shouldn't worry about "Winning Now" plus, they're not going to sign him so why does it matter.

Or he needs a break because he plays everyday and has been for the last 4 seasons.

3rd off day this week for Dunn. I guess he is really worn down.

[westofyou]

3rd off day this week for Dunn. I guess he is really worn down.

He actually might have all sorts of issues that we don't know about, but like I said what's it matter?

Last year he wore down and got kicked for it, this year he gets 3 days off in a week (which is a rarity in August) and it seems he's getting piled on again.

Tough crowd.

[BRM]

He actually might have all sorts of issues that we don't know about, but like I said what's it matter?

Last year he wore down and got kicked for it, this year he gets 3 days off in a week (which is a rarity in August) and it seems he's getting piled on again.

Tough crowd.

I don't think people are piling on Adam. More like piling on Pete.

[Eric_Davis]

Substitute Hamilton in CF for Hopper and you get an idea what the 2008 might look like if the Reds don't pick up Adam Dunn's option.

Rem

I sure hope Valentin's not on the team in 2008.

[PuffyPig]

He actually might have all sorts of issues that we don't know about, but like I said what's it matter?

Last year he wore down and got kicked for it, this year he gets 3 days off in a week (which is a rarity in August) and it seems he's getting piled on again.

Tough crowd.

I don't think anyone is piling on Dunn. I think we are questioning management.

[BRM]

I sure hope Valentin's not on the team in 2008.

$1.3M club option for 2008. I'm betting the team picks up his option.

[puca]

He actually might have all sorts of issues that we don't know about, but like I said what's it matter?

Last year he wore down and got kicked for it, this year he gets 3 days off in a week (which is a rarity in August) and it seems he's getting piled on again.

Tough crowd.

Never said anything about Dunn. Why do you think I'm piling on him? Just curious why the MANAGER apparently choose to sit him again. If the MANAGER said it was because Adam was feeling under the weather then I wouldn't have been curious at all. This appears to be a MANAGER decision.

[CTA513]

The bullpen should get plenty of work today.

[Tom Servo]

Dumatrait's got mad skills.

[westofyou]

I don't think anyone is piling on Dunn. I think we are questioning management.

Ok... but seriously, maybe Dunn is beat up a bit?

Maybe they don't want him to tank again?

Maybe they think he could use a day off in this heat?

Maybe, just maybe.. there is more to this then the management has a head full of straw?

[BRM]

Meanwhile,

Young singles
Pierre doubles, Young to 3B
Martinez sac fly makes it 2-1 Dodgers

[puca]

Ok... but seriously, maybe Dunn is beat up a bit?

Maybe they don't want him to tank again?

Maybe they think he could use a day off in this heat?

Maybe, just maybe.. there is more to this then the management has a head full of straw?

I get it.

We don't have the right to question any decisions made by the manager or FO.

[BRM]

Tomko out on a foul bunt. 2 outs, runner still at 3B.

[BRM]

Furcal strikes out. 2-1 Dodgers after 1.5.

[westofyou]

I get it.

We don't have the right to question any decisions made by the manager or FO.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

[jesusfan]

Dumatrait wiggles out of the jam again... 2-1 Dodgers

[PuffyPig]

Ok... but seriously, maybe Dunn is beat up a bit?

Maybe they don't want him to tank again?

Maybe they think he could use a day off in this heat?

Maybe, just maybe.. there is more to this then the management has a head full of straw?

I don't beleive that anyone said anything negative about Dunn or mangement; we were simply inquiring as to whether or not anything was wrong with Dunn, as it's a bit unusual for someone to get a day off just after 2 consecutive days off, especially for someone who plays as much as Dunn.

IMO, you've over reacted quite a bit to a few ligitamite questions.

[westofyou]

IMO, you've over reacted quite a bit to a few ligitamite questions.

Must be the Redszoner in me.

[BRM]

Javy grounds back to the mound. 1 down.

[BRM]

EE lines a single to left.

[Matt700wlw]

:jump:

[BRM]

Gonzalez with a 2 run shot. 3-2 Reds.

[dabvu2498]

EE lines a single to left.

You mean they're actually playing a game?

I figured this whole exercise was just so we'd have a place to complain about the lineup.

:D:D:D

[BRM]

You mean they're actually playing a game?

I figured this whole exercise was just so we'd have a place to complain about the lineup.

:D:D:D

We're awesome at multi-tasking. We can do both very well!

[BRM]

Dumatrait K's and Hopper grounds out. 3-2 Reds after 2.

[cumberlandreds]

Dumatrait K's and Hopper grounds out. 3-2 Reds after 2.


So far, a complete opposite of last night's game. Looks like it will take a bunch of runs to win today.

[Falls City Beer]

Big Phil's giving the worst offense in the majors a shot in the arm, eh?

[BRM]

Big Phil's giving the worst offense in the majors a shot in the arm, eh?

It could be a lot worse. The Dodgers had the bases loaded in the 1st with no outs but only plated 1 run.

The 3rd inning starts just like the first two. The leadoff man reaches as Russ Martin singles to center.

[Falls City Beer]

Allowing these Dodgers to load the bases on you should be a prosecutable offense.

[BRM]

Conine's replacement lines out to left. 1 down.

Kent flies to right. 2 down.

Kemp grounds to short. Still 3-2 Reds.

[cumberlandreds]

Conine's replacement lines out to left. 1 down.

Kent flies to right. 2 down.

Kemp grounds to short. Still 3-2 Reds.

Thanks for the PBP! :beerme:

[BRM]

Kepp grounds out to short, 1 out
Junior K's, 2 outs
BP grounds out to short, 3 outs

3-2 Reds after 3.

[gm]

looks like the Reds are punting today

But Coffey's gone, so who is Pete going to call on to "manage his loss"



"Many times it’s to protect the other pitchers so you can use the right guys whether you’re winning or losing. If you’re going to lose a game and are way behind, you can stay behind and be ready for the next game. There’s an expression among veteran managers, 'you’ve got to learn how to lose a game, too.' There’s a lot of truth in that so you’re prepared to win the next one. It gives Pete a little extra flexibility with his bullpen -- Krivsky

[cumberlandreds]

But Coffey's gone, so who is Pete going to call on to "manage his loss"

Never fear,Stanton is here! :)

[gm]

Never fear,Stanton is here! :)

I vote for the Majik man to grab the mop, when there's a large mess

[BRM]

Why should the 4th start any differently? Young lines a single to RF to get yet another leadoff runner on.

Pierre lines out to center, 1 down.
Martinez walks, runners at 1st and 2nd.

[cumberlandreds]

I vote for the Majik man to grab the mop, when there's a large mess

Ah... I forgot about him. Actually with the exception of Weathers and Burton the rest of the bullpen is comprised of mopup men.

[BRM]

Tomko lays down a sac bunt. 2 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd.
Furcal pops out to Hat, inning over.

3-2 Reds after 3.5

[Falls City Beer]

I vote for the Majik man to grab the mop, when there's a large mess

Did Majik retire a single batter the last time he was recalled from the minors?

I don't recall any. He was historically awful.

[Chip R]

Did Majik retire a single batter the last time he was recalled from the minors?

I don't recall any. He was historically awful.


I think he did in his first appearance but after that he was an unmitigated disaster.

[PuffyPig]

Did Majik retire a single batter the last time he was recalled from the minors?

I don't recall any. He was historically awful.

He retired 9 men (in 3 total awful innings).

You may be getting him confused with Sarloos, who's last 10 batters reached base (over 3 games).

[edabbs44]

FYI...Ankiel got the call to the show.

[Falls City Beer]

He retired 9 men (in 3 total awful innings).

You may be getting him confused with Sarloos, who's last 10 batters reached base (over 3 games).

6 in one; half dozen the other. They're both cut from the same cloth: out of the majors next season cloth.

[NJReds]

6 in one; half dozen the other. They're both cut from the same cloth: out of the majors next season cloth.

Nah. They'll go to the Cardinals, have sub-2.00 ERA's at the all start break and sign two year extensions.

[BRM]

Hat lines out to second, 1 down
Javy grounds out to second, 2 down
EE singles to center
Gonzo flies to right, 3 down

Reds up 3-2 after 4

[BRM]

Dumatrait tries something different this inning by keeping the leadoff man off the bases. Result is a 1-2-3 inning.

Martin grounds to short, 1 down
Conine's replacement flies to center, 2 down
Kent grounds to short, 3 down

[BRM]

- Dumatrait K's, 1 down
- Norris "The Right Way" Hopper tries to bunt his way on but grounds to Conine's replacement, 2 down
- Kepp singles to center
- Junior pops out, 3 down

Still 3-2 Reds

[flyer85]

seems like it has reached the point where the main focus of both teams is to end the game as quickly as possible ... I guess 100 degree heat will do that.

[nate]

I dunno if this has been discussed before but has anyone noticed how seldom Keppinger strikes out?

245 career ABs (coming into today)
15 Ks

ONE-FIVE

[Tom Servo]

some jerk dodgers fan costs us an out.

[Heath]

Dumatrait awful lucky today - but you can't complain about the results.

Nice work Phil.

[BRM]

Kemp K's, 1 down
Young singles for his 3rd hit of the game
Pierre lines out to center, 2 down
Martinez flies to left, 3 down

[Heath]

John Daly has the lead at the PGA - it's 95 and steamy in Tulsa.

I think it's cooler there than here.

[flyer85]

I dunno if this has been discussed before but has anyone noticed how seldom Keppinger strikes out?

245 career ABs (coming into today)
15 Ks

ONE-FIVEKids gonna be an MVP ... cause as near as I can tell listening to the talking heads the objective is not to strike out thus being able to make productive outs.

[Matt700wlw]

Guardado warming up

[red-in-la]

6 in one; half dozen the other. They're both cut from the same cloth: out of the majors next season cloth.

I know a day game thread will do this to the best of us, but, FCB, it is 6 OF one, half a dozen of the other.

:D:D:D

[Cyclone792]

Guardado warming up

Wayne's making his all-in move to try to go out and clinch the NL Central division title. Eddie Guardado - Secret Weapon #1 - is minutes from being unleashed.

[BRM]

BP grounds out to Conine's replacement, 1 down
Hatteberg flies to center, 2 down
Javy walks
EE lines to short, 3 down

3-2 Reds after 6

[puca]

Kids gonna be an MVP ... cause as near as I can tell listening to the talking heads the objective is not to strike out thus being able to make productive outs.

I like Kepp, but there is no way he is winning MVP with Norris Hopper around. ;)

[CTA513]

Guardado warming up

Hes now in the game.

[Cyclone792]

I like Kepp, but there is no way he is winning MVP with Norris Hopper around. ;)

No worries, they'll be co-MVPs.

[nate]

I like Kepp, but there is no way he is winning MVP with Norris Hopper around. ;)

Kep walks at about the same rate as he Ks.

[Tom Servo]

Everyday Eddie!

[BRM]

I like Kepp, but there is no way he is winning MVP with Norris Hopper around. ;)

That's Norris "The Right Way" Hopper.

[BRM]

Kep walks at about the same rate as he Ks.

Walks are overrated...

Nomar pinch-hitting for Tomko...and Nomar promptly lines a solid single to left

[Tom Servo]

Kepp's got some barehand skills.

[jesusfan]

good start eddie...

[nate]

How's Kep look in the OF?

[CTA513]

Guardado is ready to blow the lead.

[Tom Servo]

Rough debut for Eddie.

[jesusfan]

Eddie is great...

[BRM]

They are hitting Eddie's 87 mph heat pretty hard.

[Tom Servo]

How's Kep look in the OF?
Not bad at all, made some nice judgments playing balls off the wall.


Eddie blows the lead.

[Kc61]

Was it necessary to test Eddie's arm in a one-run game?

[jesusfan]

3-3 game...

[Heath]

Is Eddie's heat even 87?

[BRM]

Is Eddie's heat even 87?

That's what Gameday is showing but it could be off by 10 or 12 mph.

Conine's replacement with a game tying sac fly.

[jesusfan]

Bring in a righty to pitch to Kent please...

[nate]

Is Eddie's heat even 87?

That's his slow heat.

The fast one is 88.

[Tom Servo]

Is Eddie's heat even 87?
I'd like to know as well. The Dodgers feed isn't providing pitch speed.

[Heath]

Hey, WONE just went out, wake up Steinman, get off the switch.


EDIT - Ok, its back.

[nate]

Gameday is reporting it as 87-88 with one change he threw at 79.

[jesusfan]

3-3 after 6.5

[nate]

Eddie's gonna fit in here fine!

[Matt700wlw]

Gameday is reporting it as 87-88 with one change he threw at 79.

That's not going to cut it

[BRM]

Nomar singles to left
Furcal flies to right, 1 out
Martin doubles to left, Nomar to 3rd
Conine's replacement with a sac fly to center, 2 down
Kent grounds back to the mound, 3 down

3-3 after 6.5

[VR]

His bullpen buddies are going to chide him for blowing the lead in the 7th.

[Chip R]

That's not going to cut it


Sure it is. He's showing these young players how to lose.

[jesusfan]

Bellhorn just misses one...

[Matt700wlw]

Sure it is. He's showing these young players how to lose.

That's right....my mistake :)

[jesusfan]

Hop singles... c'mon Country Kepp!

[jesusfan]

Kepp singles again... Junior up!

[jesusfan]

Keppinger is a Kepper!

[BRM]

Right Way and Country Kepp make quite the duo at the top of the lineup.

Joe Beimel coming in to face Junior.

[Tom Servo]

balk!

[jesusfan]

SMALL BALL! Hop scores on a balk!

[nate]

Wow, a balk?

[Eric_Davis]

Someon with a visual?

What happened?

Why the balk?

[BRM]

Gonzalez flies to left, 1 out
Pinch-hitter Mark Bellhorn flies to left, 2 outs
Hopper singles to center
Keppinger singles to center, Hopper advances to 3rd
Balk called on Beimel, Hopper scores, Kepp advances to 2B
Junior K's, 3 outs

4-3 Reds after 7

[nate]

Someon with a visual?

What happened?

Why the balk?

Uh, hello?

NoHo was on 3rd.

He freaking JEDI'ed the pitcher into balking.

They just don't have stats for that.

[Tom Servo]

Someon with a visual?

What happened?

Why the balk?
According to the Dodgers announcers it was pretty much Biemel's normal pickoff move. Biemel had Kepp dead to rights.

[cumberlandreds]

Wow, a balk?

Is Balkin' Bob Davidson umpiring today?

[flyer85]

They are hitting Eddie's 87 mph heat pretty hard.I hope that no one is shocked by that.

[Matt700wlw]

Scoring question...do balks count as errors in the box score?


If not, they should...ESPECIALLY if a run scores.

[BRM]

Uh, hello?

NoHo was on 3rd.

He freaking JEDI'ed the pitcher into balking.

They just don't have stats for that.

Intangibles, man. Intangibles.

[BRM]

I hope that no one is shocked by that.

I certainly wasn't.

[cumberlandreds]

Scoring question...do balks count as errors in the box score?


If not, they should...ESPECIALLY if a run scores.

No, they are just balks.

[Chip R]

Scoring question...do balks count as errors in the box score?


If not, they should...ESPECIALLY if a run scores.


No. And I believe they are earned runs.

[Reds Fanatic]

Burton in to pitch the 8th.

[Eric_Davis]

That was the 4th balk of Beimel's career in 395 IP.

Had one in 2003, one last year, and this is his 2nd this year.

[BRM]

Jared Burton in to pitch the 8th. He'll face Kemp, Young, and Pierre.

[Matt700wlw]

No. And I believe they are earned runs.

Thanks.

[Reds Fanatic]

No. And I believe they are earned runs.Yes they are earned runs.

[TOBTTReds]

Hopper would have scored anyway balk or no balk. Furcal's throw to the plate was late...even Steiner is admitting it. It would have been a steal of home for Hopper.

[Kc61]

Intangibles, man. Intangibles.

Pressure baseball. Keppinger broke from first. Pitcher threw over. Looks like a rundown, then Hopper scores. Balk call was really irrelevant, Hopper would have scored anyway.

Great aggressive play.

[Tom Servo]

Dodgers announcers pointing out that Hopper likely would have scored on the play anyway as Kepp probably could have kept himself alive long enough in the rundown for NoHo to score.


Delwyn Young cannot be stopped.

[red-in-la]

According to the Dodgers announcers it was pretty much Biemel's normal pickoff move. Biemel had Kepp dead to rights.

Well, IMHO, it was a balk because Biemel's foot and knee came back, behind the rubber and he then threw to 1B.

As far as I understand the rule, if the pitchers foot or knee breaks the plane of the rubber, he must throw home.

The Dodger announcers still have no clue (surprised?). This is the PrimeTicket crew and PT (again IMHO) is really bargain basement baseball telecasting.

[jesusfan]

C'mon Burton!

[TOBTTReds]

Even after that double, I think Burton is a poor man's Mariano Rivera...I love this guy. He's gonna be special.

[Eric_Davis]

Uh, hello?

NoHo was on 3rd.

He freaking JEDI'ed the pitcher into balking.

They just don't have stats for that.

I know Hopper has amazing speed. You look at his defensive ranges for LF, CF, and RF, and his are a whole number higher than anyone else on the team at every position. 2nd in the league in bunt hits with only limited playing time.

He is the perfect 4th outfielder for our team behind Hamilton, Bruce and whoever. Good with and occasional start, or even a short stretch for an injury replacement, excellent agaist LH's, great pinch-runner, and his pinch-hitting this year has been out of this world.

[TOBTTReds]

Well, IMHO, it was a balk because Biemel's foot and knee came back, behind the rubber and he then threw to 1B.

As far as I understand the rule, if the pitchers foot or knee breaks the plane of the rubber, he must throw home.

The Dodger announcers still have no clue (surprised?). This is the PrimeTicket crew and PT (again IMHO) is really bargain basement baseball telecasting.

I agree. His knee went halfway back to 2nd base then threw over...easy call.....although it was the home plate ump that called it...strange.

[nate]

I know Hopper has amazing speed. You look at his defensive ranges for LF, CF, and RF, and his are a whole number higher than anyone else on the team at every position. 2nd in the league in bunt hits with only limited playing time.

He is the perfect 4th outfielder for our team behind Hamilton, Bruce and whoever. Good with and occasional start, or even a short stretch for an injury replacement, excellent agaist LH's, great pinch-runner, and his pinch-hitting this year has been out of this world.

Don't forget the Jedi thing.

[BRM]

Ethier pinch-running for Young. Thank goodness Young is out of the game.

[nate]

Gameday reporting that Burton is dialing up to 94 on the heater.

[BRM]

Gameday reporting that Burton is dialing up to 94 on the heater.

Hitting 96 against Martinez.

[Tom Servo]

d'oh

[Eric_Davis]

Gameday reporting that Burton is dialing up to 94 on the heater.


....95....96

[red-in-la]

I agree. His knee went halfway back to 2nd base then threw over...easy call.....although it was the home plate ump that called it...strange.

As somebody pointed out, isn't Mr. Balk the HP umpire today?

[Eric_Davis]

Martinez was hitting .175!!!!

He makes David Ross look like Tony Gwynn.

[BRM]

Burton's day is done after the RBI single from Martinez. Mike Stanton coming in. Yes, Mike Stanton.

[Eric_Davis]

Three straight fastballs down the middle to a guy who can't hit. How about tossing in a breaking ball now and then to a guy like that. gggrrrrrrr.

[Kc61]

Martinez was hitting .175!!!!

He makes David Ross look like Tony Gwynn.

Terrible pitch by Burton, fast ball down Broadway on 0-2. Just a mistake.

[jesusfan]

great

[CTA513]

Hes just trying to learn how to lose like Krivsky was talking about.

:cool:

[11larkin11]

He's still our second best reliever. If you have a 3.68 ERA in your rookie year as a Rule V Pick when you should still be in the minors, I'll see what you have next year

[nate]

He's still our second best reliever. If you have a 3.68 ERA in your rookie year as a Rule V Pick when you should still be in the minors, I'll see what you have next year

Absolutely.

[Eric_Davis]

Division winners always have great relief pitching.

This problem needs to be solved.

Along that topic. It looks like the Cardinals are going to win the Central Division again. Amazing! But, they do have better pitching coaches than other teams in the Central. Franklin is dominating this year. You can't tell me that he has any more talent than he had last year. It's got to be the coaching. Isringhausen is dominating again.

[Tom Servo]

BP needs a gold glove. NEEDS IT.

[Heath]

Mr. Burton just hiccupped a little bit. It just sucks that it was the eighth and it was the tying run.

[BRM]

- Kemp grounds to second, 1 out
- Young doubles, his 4th hit of the game, Ethier in to pinch-run
- Pierre lines out to left, 2 outs
- Martinez with an RBI single to right
- Stanton relieves Burton
- Loney singles to right, Martinez to 2B
- Furcal grounds to second, 3 outs

4-4 after 7.5

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Stanton can't do much right. He is awful. Lucky to be out of that inning.

[edabbs44]

Even after that double, I think Burton is a poor man's Mariano Rivera...I love this guy. He's gonna be special.

Optomistic much?

[red-in-la]

He's still our second best reliever. If you have a 3.68 ERA in your rookie year as a Rule V Pick when you should still be in the minors, I'll see what you have next year

BUT....what if he is a one year wonder?

[nate]

Optomistic much?

Pessimistic much?

[Eric_Davis]

Another blown lead in the 8th.

At least it wasn't a 5-spot.

We seem to be pretty good at winning games if we're ahead after 8.

This bottom half of the 8th is huge.

[11larkin11]

Well when he goes into his sophomore slump next year, everyone will be calling for his head like Coffey and Edwin.

[Chip R]

Terrible pitch by Burton, fast ball down Broadway on 0-2. Just a mistake.


Who called the pitch?

[BRM]

Broxton in to pitch.

[redsmetz]

So how about one of our guys breaks his home run free streak.

[nate]

Who called the pitch?

Wayne Krivsky. :cool:

[edabbs44]

Pessimistic much?

I like to think of myself as realistic. Calling Burton a "poor man's Mariano" is ludicrous at this stage of his career.

[Eric_Davis]

Who called the pitch?

Valentin.

Rookies don't shake off veteran catchers.

[red-in-la]

Another blown lead in the 8th.

At least it wasn't a 5-spot.

We seem to be pretty good at winning games if we're ahead after 8.

This bottom half of the 8th is huge.

I am watching this half inning, and if the Reds don't score I am goin' swimming.

[jesusfan]

BP!

[Chip R]

Valentin.

Rookies don't shake off veteran catchers.


Exactly.

[Matt700wlw]

Phillips smacks a 98 mph fastball

[Falls City Beer]

I like to think of myself as realistic. Calling Burton a "poor man's Mariano" is ludicrous at this stage of his career.

Calling him a "poor man's Kyle Farnsworth" would be ludicrous, at this stage.

When he's not missing with his pitches, he's leaving them over the plate.

[BRM]

Hat with a GIDP.

[jesusfan]

good job Hatte...

[Falls City Beer]

Hatte can handle the Madduxes of the world, but he can't get around on that thunder anymore. That's why hard-to-hit hard throwers are brilliant---they keep the contact guys off base.

[Eric_Davis]

Broxton is struggling a little bit in August and he doesn't do as well on the road.

Overall righties and lefties are both hitting .223 off of him, and with runners on base opponents are hitting .221 off of him.

But, on the road, batter are hitting .273 off of him, and in August, batters are hitting .353.

That Double-play sucks.

[Tom Servo]

C'mon EdE!

[BRM]

Broxton pitching for LA

BP singles to center
Hat hits into a 6-4-3, 2 outs
Javy works his 2nd walk of the game
EE grounds out weakly, 3 outs

Still 4-4 after 8

The Reds have drawn 2 walks today, both by Valentin.

[Matt700wlw]

Mackanin pressing his luck with Stanton going back out there

[Eric_Davis]

That just sucks. Leadoff single by Phillips, a guy with 20+ SB's, and a patient hitter up next, and we don't even attempt to steal a base. Yet, management is always willing to give up a sacrifice with Freel on 1st and Junior on deck, so they can walk Junior to pitch to the #4 hitter.

I know Hatteberg hit the 3rd pitch, and maybe they didn't get the chance to steal as they wanted a good pitch count. But they should know that with Broxton, they aren't going to get that as he doesn't walk batters and is usually pitching from a good pitcher's count.

[BRM]

Stanton still pitching

Martin flies to left, 1 out
Pinch-hitter Luis Gonzalez K's, 2 outs
Kent pops out to 1B, 3 outs

4-4 going to the bottom of the 9th

[Matt700wlw]

The Stanton gamble worked!

[BRM]

Dunn pinch-hitting

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn's tossed

[Cyclone792]

Dunn strikes out, yells at the umpire, and immediately gets ejected.

Not a bad day's work!

[flyer85]

Dunn strikes out, yells at the umpire, and immediately gets ejected.

Not a bad day's work!especially on a hot one.

[nate]

Dunn strikes out, yells at the umpire, and immediately gets ejected.

Not a bad day's work!

I can do all that!

[dougdirt]

Adam Dunn made his days check worth it lol.

[TOBTTReds]

Calling him a "poor man's Kyle Farnsworth" would be ludicrous, at this stage.

When he's not missing with his pitches, he's leaving them over the plate.

Farnsworth is awful...maybe I heavily emphasize "poor mans"

[BRM]

Norris Hopper cannot be stopped!!

[nate]

Farnsworth is awful...maybe I heavily emphasize "poor mans"

Or simply, "poor."

[Caveat Emperor]

Dunn strikes out, yells at the umpire, and immediately gets ejected.

Not a bad day's work!

He's just making sure he won't have to play out in the left-field sun in the top of the 10th. ;)

[BRM]

Norris steals second base. Is there anything this man can't do?

[BRM]

Scott Proctor in to pitch for LA

Gonzalez grounds to short, 1 out
Pinch-hitter Adam Dunn K's, 2 outs
Hopper singles to right, his 3rd hit of the game
Hopper steals 2nd
Keppinger flies to right, 3 outs

4-4 headed to extra innings

[PuffyPig]

Norris steals second base. Is there anything this man can't do?


Score on a 2 out fly ball out......

[Eric_Davis]

I can do all that!


Didn't even take the bat off his shoulder.

Three called strikes.


Frustration, eh?

[PuffyPig]

Nice day for Dunn.

Gets thrown out arguing an obvious strike that he likely went around on anyway......

[nate]

Didn't even take the bat off his shoulder.

Three called strikes.


Frustration, eh?

I can do that too!

[Matt700wlw]

Let's play more!

[Matt700wlw]

He's just making sure he won't have to play out in the left-field sun in the top of the 10th. ;)

Smart thinking. It's hot out there :)

[BRM]

I can do that too!

Yeah, but you don't look as good in Mossy Oak camouflage.

[Chip R]

Still have the secret weapon.

:valentin:

[flyer85]

Nice day for Dunn.

Gets thrown out arguing an obvious strike that he likely went around on anyway......a fair guess would be that it was the first two strike calls that he didn't agree with.

[nate]

Yeah, but you don't look as good in Mossy Oak camouflage.

It makes my butt look big.

True.

[Eric_Davis]

As far as Dunn goes,

instead of, "know your cuts of Beef" if you were on the Letterman show, it's "know your umpire's calls" in the Big Show.

[Matt700wlw]

Maybe Jason Ellison can play the role of hero today

:D

[Eric_Davis]

I just wish the REDS had a $100M payroll next season, so they could afford to keep Dunn around. I like the guy and he is a valuable asset to anyone's team.

He'll get a monster contract from someone. If Boras was his agent, it would be somewhere near $100M for 7 years. But, he'll probably still get a $75M offer for 5 years from someone.

[PuffyPig]

a fair guess would be that it was the first two strike calls that he didn't agree with.

Oh, I didn't see those, just the last one.

That makes more sense, as Dunn isn't one to usually argue.

[penantboundreds]

how are you guys watching the game?

[BRM]

Victor Santos in to pitch

Kemp singles to left
Ethier pops out to second, 1 out
Kemp steals second
Pierre grounds back to the mound, Kemp to 3rd, 2 outs
Martinez K's, 3 outs

4-4 going to the bottom of the 10th

[Matt700wlw]

how are you guys watching the game?

With the pictures being painted by the tones of Marty and Thom

:D

[PuffyPig]

how are you guys watching the game?


The usual MLB.com

[nate]

Oh, I didn't see those, just the last one.

That makes more sense, as Dunn isn't one to usually argue.

Yeah, it looks like the 3rd pitch of the at bat was borderline and that's what made Adam..."cross."

Hard to tell with Gameday though.

[Chip R]

I just wish the REDS had a $100M payroll next season, so they could afford to keep Dunn around. I like the guy and he is a valuable asset to anyone's team.

He'll get a monster contract from someone. If Boras was his agent, it would be somewhere near $100M for 7 years. But, he'll probably still get a $75M offer for 5 years from someone.


They have a $75M payroll right now and they can't afford another $3M?

[penantboundreds]

We can afford Dunn and we will extend him?

[nate]

We can afford Dunn and we will extend him?

Why wouldn't we?

Why are we talking in questions?

[KronoRed]

They have a $75M payroll right now and they can't afford another $3M?

75? I thought it was 60.

Anyway the Reds can afford Adam Dunn.

[BRM]

75? I thought it was 60.

Anyway the Reds can afford Adam Dunn.

Cot's has their opening day payroll at $68.9M.

[BRM]

Pretty uneventful inning.

Junior grounds to short, 1 out
BP flies to right, 2 outs
Hat K's, 3 outs

4-4 after 10

[Matt700wlw]

We roll on...

[KronoRed]

They picked a great day to play extras, hotter then Mercury :clap:

[KronoRed]

Why are we talking in questions?

Why not?

[redsmetz]

They picked a great day to play extras, hotter then Mercury :clap:

I was just coming over to say the exact same thing - I wonder if they've got them doing fluids intravenously.

[penantboundreds]

I like talking in questions? It adds? flair?

[Chip R]

Cot's has their opening day payroll at $68.9M


Add in payments for LaRue, Wilson and counting Jr.'s salary at $12.5M and even prorating Lohse's salary you come up to about $75M.

But if we use Cot's figures and say it's $68M, why couldn't they keep Dunn with a $3M raise? :confused:

[redsmetz]

Pop up to Gonzalez - one away.