Reds vs Padres 8/12/07

[Matt700wlw]

Hatteberg 1b
Hopper cf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Keppinger ss
Encarnacion 3b
Ellison rf
Ross c
Arroyo p

[Reds Fanatic]

According to John Fay Gonzalez is getting the day off because his throwing arm is tender.

[pahster]

Who needs Hamilton when you have Jason Ellison?

[Ron Madden]

Ellison over Hamilton. I don't understand. :confused:

[Matt700wlw]

Ellison over Hamilton. I don't understand. :confused:

Castro over Hamilton...I didn't understand then, either

[Sabo Fan]

Hatteberg 1b
Hopper cf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Keppinger ss
Encarnacion 3b
Ellison rf
Ross c
Arroyo p

And so we see the return of the Sunday Special lineup. Took Pete Mac long enough, though I guess maybe I haven't paid attention to Sunday lineups recently and he may have done this before.

Hopper and Ellison in the same lineup? If nothing else they'll have no problems out-scrapping the Pads today. Think I may pass up watching the game in favor of the final round of the PGA.

[Patrick Bateman]

They benched 3 players with injury issues. I have no problem with these 3 getting days off. It's the lack of depth that hurts.

[redsfan30]

And so we see the return of the Sunday Special lineup. Took Pete Mac long enough, though I guess maybe I haven't paid attention to Sunday lineups recently and he may have done this before.

Aside from Ellison, this really isn't a Sunday Special.

[TeamBoone]

They benched 3 players with injury issues. I have no problem with these 3 getting days off. It's the lack of depth that hurts.

Who has injury issues, besides AG?

[Patrick Bateman]

Who has injury issues, besides AG?

Griffey always needs rest. Or he will likely get injured. Benching him on Sundays is usually a safe assumption.

Hamilton is coming back from an injury. I have no problem having him eased into the line-up. We are against Peavy anyways. If you are going to rest players, may as well be against him.

[Sabo Fan]

Aside from Ellison, this really isn't a Sunday Special.

Hopper over an activated Hamilton clinches it for me. Especially when you've already decided to play Ellison, who seems to have a similar skill set (I didn't say they were good skills) to Hopper.

The only reason I could see for keeping Hamilton on the bench today is so that he can miss out on Peavy being the opposing pitcher in his first game back. Even then though, that's a pretty poor reason.

[pahster]

The only reason I could see for keeping Hamilton on the bench today is so that he can miss out on Peavy being the opposing pitcher in his first game back. Even then though, that's a pretty poor reason.

If that's the case, they might as well have let him play one more game in AAA.

[flyer85]

Hopper over an activated Hamilton clinches it for me. Especially when you've already decided to play Ellison, who seems to have a similar skill set (I didn't say they were good skills) to Hopper. Ellison is actually Hopper-lite. Ellison is worthless and with Hamilton being activated has no business being on the roster. Bellhorn is actually far more valuable than Ellison.

Ellision has 1 BB and 0 XBH on the season. Just another example of how clueless WK is when it comes to building a roster.

[TeamBoone]

Griffey always needs rest. Or he will likely get injured. Benching him on Sundays is usually a safe assumption.

Hamilton is coming back from an injury. I have no problem having him eased into the line-up. We are against Peavy anyways. If you are going to rest players, may as well be against him.

I wondered about the Ellison over Hamilton comment. I didn't realize he was back until I went to the ORG forum.

Also, as I got to thinking about it more, didn't KJr slip or something on Friday?

[Matt700wlw]

Giles....wow.

I'm sorry, but it is not acceptable to allow him to do this like he has against the Reds

[SteelSD]

HR for Brian Giles to start it off.

[Matt700wlw]

This is starting well...

[SteelSD]

Now Arroyo plunks Blum in the leg. Both hitters were in 2-strike counts.

[SteelSD]

An out!! Fly out to Hopper.

[MrCinatit]

I wondered about the Ellison over Hamilton comment. I didn't realize he was back until I went to the ORG forum.

Also, as I got to thinking about it more, didn't KJr slip or something on Friday?

I believe he slightly twisted his ankle reaching first - it seemed he was OK, but a rest today might not hurt.

[SteelSD]

And another to Hopper. Two down.

[WVRedsFan]

HR for Brian Giles to start it off.

Begs the question Team Clark brought up the other day. How good is the Reds scouting? The pitch to Giles was where you absolutely do not want to pitch him. We'll never know, but you have to wonder if our scounting is so horrible that our players are not getting good information.

[TeamBoone]

Top of 1st:

Giles HR
Blum HBP
Cameron pops to CF
Gonzalez flies to CF
Greene SO

Runner left on first. Reds down 1-0

[SteelSD]

According to the Reds' announcers, San Diego is a club of hackers who don't take any walks.

They're sixth in the NL in BB- two behind Cinci. Go figure.

[Matt700wlw]

Padreszone going ga ga over Giles

[Matt700wlw]

Peavy - 0.89 ERA on the road.....

That's just idiotic.

[Sabo Fan]

Begs the question Team Clark brought up the other day. How good is the Reds scouting? The pitch to Giles was where you absolutely do not want to pitch him. We'll never know, but you have to wonder if our scounting is so horrible that our players are not getting good information.

While the Reds scouts might not be the greatest around, most of the blame lies with the Reds pitchers. They just aren't that good. Belisle grooved one to Giles the other night and he capitalized and I think Arroyo just missed his spot today. I don't think you need scouts to tell you the obvious: keep the ball down in the zone and you're fairly likely to have success. Reds pitching just doesn't seem able to do that.

[KronoRed]

Who needs Hamilton when you have Jason Ellison?

The secret weapon

[SteelSD]

Begs the question Team Clark brought up the other day. How good is the Reds scouting? The pitch to Giles was where you absolutely do not want to pitch him. We'll never know, but you have to wonder if our scounting is so horrible that our players are not getting good information.

Eh, if the Reds don't know by now- after all the years Brian Giles has been in the league- that they can't bust him in the strike zone inside with a high-80's fastball...well, there's not much more scouting is going to do about it.

Arroyo just missed.

[Matt700wlw]

Hopper with a 10 game hitting streak....that's always a good thing!

It'll be interesting to see if the gushfest continues if/when he goes in a 5-25 slump.

[WVRedsFan]

While the Reds scouts might not be the greatest around, most of the blame lies with the Reds pitchers. They just aren't that good. Belisle grooved one to Giles the other night and he capitalized and I think Arroyo just missed his spot today. I don't think you need scouts to tell you the obvious: keep the ball down in the zone and you're fairly likely to have success. Reds pitching just doesn't seem able to do that.

That's a given, my friend. It's called lack of talent.

[SteelSD]

Hopper with a single and then Phillips goes up hacking and pops it up foul. Two down.

[TeamBoone]

Bottom of 1st

Hatteberg flies out to left center (near collision)
Hopper base hit
Phillips pops up on first pitch
Dunn lines to 2B

1-0 Padres

[SteelSD]

Dunn grounds out to 2B. Inning over.

Reds announcers lamenting about how the Reds could have contended had they simply put together a team capable of playing .500 ball this season.

[mbgrayson]

I wonder if they brought Hamilton back early because of the ads saying he would be here today for 'faith day' or whatever its called.

[KronoRed]

I wonder if they brought Hamilton back early because of the ads saying he would be here today for 'faith day' or whatever its called.

He is supposed to be on the field after the game, can't do that from Louisville

[Matt700wlw]

I wonder if they brought Hamilton back early because of the ads saying he would be here today for 'faith day' or whatever its called.

Put a little faith in the fans and play him....he's the future...Ellison is not.

[SteelSD]

Mac...heck, I can't spell it without looking...lines out to Ellison. One down.

[WVRedsFan]

Hopper with a 10 game hitting streak....that's always a good thing!

It'll be interesting to see if the gushfest continues if/when he goes in a 5-25 slump.

It probably will. Some wise guy will come up with the old, "his career statistics say..." line when this hot streak artificially shows him with a plus .350 OBP.

[BRM]

Put a little faith in the fans and play him....he's the future...Ellison is not.

What's this future talk? The Reds are in "win now" mode.

[SteelSD]

Reds announcers talking about Pythag. It's kinda cute.

[Matt700wlw]

It probably will. Some wise guy will come up with the old, "his career statistics say..." line when this hot streak artificially shows him with a plus .350 OBP.

Like I've said...I like Norris Hopper...he can help this team, without question...

I just don't want to see the world turn against him when he's used as an everyday player and shows why he's not one.

I hope he proves me wrong and turns into one of those stars who was a late bloomer...

[pahster]

Whoa, Chris Welsh talking about pythag records!

[KronoRed]

Reds announcers talking about Pythag. It's kinda cute.

Like when kids talk about nuclear reactors cute :D

[SteelSD]

Chris Welsh now comparing Pythag "luck" to BA with RISP. Both involve some luck, apparently.

Makes me want to hug him.

[BRM]

Reds announcers talking about Pythag. It's kinda cute.

Are they giving Raisor credit for inventing it?

[SteelSD]

BTW, Ensberg doubled.

[TeamBoone]

Top 2nd

Macoviak lines an out to RF
Ensberg doubles to left center
Bard SO
Pevy flies out to LF

Pads 1-0

[SteelSD]

Are they giving Raisor for inventing it?

No. They were trying to mostly just figure out if an offense scores runs or allows them.

[WVRedsFan]

Like I've said...I like Norris Hopper...he can help this team, without question...

I just don't want to see the world turn against him when he's used as an everyday player and shows why he's not one.

I hope he proves me wrong and turns into one of those stars who was a late bloomer...
I know what you're saying. But management will hurt the club by playing him long after he's proven he's not an everyday player. Witness playing Freel at leadoff with a horrible OBP. I like Hopper too, but counting on guys like Hopper is fool's gold, or at least it appears to be.

[TeamBoone]

Bottom 2nd

Keppinger lines out to SS
Encarnacion grounds to SS
Ellison SO

Pads 1-0

[flyer85]

I wonder how the people who defended claiming Ellison feel now when as I predicted he was not a temporary replacement for Hamilton but was going to be around for the long haul. He is an absolute offensive zero.

There is a reason Ellison averaged < 10 ABs a month in a league that allows the DH.

[MrCinatit]

I know what you're saying. But management will hurt the club by playing him long after he's proven he's not an everyday player. Witness playing Freel at leadoff with a horrible OBP. I like Hopper too, but counting on guys like Hopper is fool's gold, or at least it appears to be.

or Denorfia, or Wily Mo, or Reggie Jefferson, or Jiminez, or Hummel, or Romano, or Castro, or Reggie Taylor, or Branyon...
I'd better stop now.

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo's balls are hanging today

[penantboundreds]

Dunn is bad in the outfield....has that been said before?

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn is bad in the outfield....has that been said before?

Never. You're the first ;)

[penantboundreds]

Arroyo is throwing his fastball 86, his curveball is good but he needs another pitch ya know?

[penantboundreds]

Seriously though Matt, how was that a double?

[flyer85]

Arroyo is throwing his fastball 86, his curveball is good but he needs another pitch ya know?
Arroyo is just one of those starters(and there are a lot) who continually skate the razors edge of effectiveness, just a little movement the wrong way and he falls off

[penantboundreds]

But some days Arroyo throws that fastball 92 and some days 86....what gives and what are Arroyo's night game to day game splits

[Matt700wlw]

Arroyo isn't fooling a soul, and Ross is seeing little birdies.

[penantboundreds]

what a dumb play by mike c....

[11larkin11]

Finally, when we actually need Moeller...

[WVRedsFan]

Now, where's that third catcher when you need him ? :D

[flyer85]

Seriously though Matt, how was that a double?... what are you talking about a looping liner toward the left field line hit by one of the fastest players in baseball and it is not a double?

[penantboundreds]

flyer...thats a no throw double? really? it wasnt that close to the line and it should have been cut off 10 feet in front of where dunn cut it off

[Matt700wlw]

With Peavy on the mound, 3 runs may be more than enough

[WVRedsFan]

Kind of a cheap shot by Cameron on Ross, but Thom and Chris go out of their way to defend him.

Ross appears to be OK. Bronson is not.

[penantboundreds]

lemme say this flyer....i wish i had tivo or dvr but i dont and am not sure but it sure seemed like a throw should have been made and that ball should have been cut off earlier.....it just seemed that way i have no video evidence so im not sure.

[Hap]

Chris Welsh just misinformed us that David Ross(SDP '05) and Mike Cameron(SDP '06-) were once teammates. They were not.

[flyer85]

flyer...thats a no throw double? really? it wasnt that close to the line and it should have been cut off 10 feet in front of where dunn cut it offWith Cameron running, no doubt. He is one of the fastest in baseball and the ball was not hit hard, it was off the end of the bat, a looping liner. Not a player on the Reds that could have held Cameron to a single.

[TeamBoone]

Top 3rd

Giles out at first
Blum on first
Cameron doubles to LF
Gonzalez lines out to 1B
Greene base hit to left (2 runs score; Ross down after Cameron runs into him... looked intentional to me; down for a while but still in the game)
Mackoviak SO

Pads 3-0

[WVRedsFan]

With Peavy on the mound, 3 runs may be more than enough

I was thinking the same thing. Might be time to take a nap.

[flyer85]

lemme say this flyer....i wish i had tivo or dvr [
well I do and I went back in looked at it, no way is Cameron going to be held to a single ... absurd.

[flyer85]

I was thinking the same thing. Might be time to take a nap.I was thinking the solo HR to leadoff the game would likely do it with the Sunday lineup that was run out there.

[TeamBoone]

Kind of a cheap shot by Cameron on Ross, but Thom and Chris go out of their way to defend him.

Ross appears to be OK. Bronson is not.

They did not defend him after they saw the replay.

[Matt700wlw]

Way to be, Ross!

[RedFanAlways1966]

With Peavy on the mound, 3 runs may be more than enough

And usually 1 run is enough when Trevor Hoffman is on the mound... unless he faces the mighty REDS! :p: ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Krivsky's on the phone with the Dodgers right now...."I'll give you 2 dollars to get Moeller back."

I wonder if Ross has a concussion? Poor Ross.

[flyer85]

They did not defend him after they saw the replay.nothing wrong with the play. Some catchers will try to drop on a runner if they try to slide(Ross isn't one of those but Cameron doesn't know that.)

[WVRedsFan]

well I do and I went back in looked at it, no way is Cameron going to be held to a single ... absurd.

I just checked. Cameron was rounding first when the ball hit the ground. No way you hold him to a single.

[Matt700wlw]

Bronson almost got that one...off of Peavy!

[penantboundreds]

how can you see where cameron is at the same time you see the ball hit the ground?

[CTA513]

Non productive out.

[flyer85]

I just checked. Cameron was rounding first when the ball hit the ground. No way you hold him to a single.especially when the OF is running hard in the opposite direction of where the throw is going to go. There is no way to make a quick accurate with anything on it when you are running away from the direction of the throw.

[WVRedsFan]

FSN froze on me (it's still frozen and I didn't get to hear the comments after the replay. Matter of fact, it's still frozen on my TV.

[TeamBoone]

Bottom 3rd

Ross base hit (Hatcher calls in trainer who takes Ross out of game; Valentin running)
Arroyo flies out to the warning track
Hatteberg lines to 3B

Pads 3-0

[Matt700wlw]

FSN froze on me (it's still frozen and I didn't get to hear the comments after the replay. Matter of fact, it's still frozen on my TV.

Maybe it's your TV ;)

[TeamBoone]

nothing wrong with the play. Some catchers will try to drop on a runner if they try to slide(Ross isn't one of those but Cameron doesn't know that.)

Cameron wasn't sliding and the plate wasn't blocked; Cameron took a step to the left to intentionally hit Ross.

[mth123]

Bottom 3rd

Ross base hit (Hatcher calls in trainer who takes Ross out of game; Valentin running)
Arroyo flies out to the warning track
Hatteberg lines to 3B

Pads 3-0

Valentin as a PR. Not something often seen.

[penantboundreds]

TB i said stupid play by Mike C as soon as I saw it....the only thing more stupid was the bat was still there and maybe he couldn't slide because of that...

[RedFanAlways1966]

Hatteberg lines to 3B

And Valentin gets doubled up off 1st base b/c he does not make sure a line drive gets through!

[WVRedsFan]

Maybe it's your TV ;)

Nah, it was DirecTV. Funny thing is I can go back on Tivo and watch what happened while it was frozen. As to how I can see where Cameron was, the replay view from the 3rd base side show Cameron rounding first then slowing down when it was obvious there wouldn't be a throw.

[Matt700wlw]

Nah, it was DirecTV. Funny thing is I can go back on Tivo and watch what happened while it was frozen. As to how I can see where Cameron was, the replay view from the 3rd base side show Cameron rounding first then slowing down when it was obvious there wouldn't be a throw.

Gotta love Tivo

[WVRedsFan]

Now that you can blame on Dunn.

[Matt700wlw]

That was.....ugly.

Did he even need to jump?

[Matt700wlw]

Scored a double...

[MrCinatit]

I wish Dunn would stop using Griffey's gold gloves on the field.

[mth123]

Wonder if the sun was a factor.

[WVRedsFan]

Peavy SF makes it 4-0.

[Matt700wlw]

Because of the Dunn error that wasn't, that's an earned run....for those keeping score at home.

[Matt700wlw]

Brian Giles.

I give up.

[penantboundreds]

im rooting for peavy to complete game shutout us.....sorry it would win be two fantasy categories!

[WVRedsFan]

Giles homers again. 2 HR coming in and now has 7?

Holy crap. Stupid.

[flyer85]

Now it is definitely over as Babe Giles hits HR #5 on the weekend ... out

[CTA513]

Because of the Dunn error that wasn't, that's an earned run....for those keeping score at home.

Don't worry the Great Norris Hopper is ready to replace him next season.

[Matt700wlw]

Fire everybody





:)

[edabbs44]

Did Narron keep Arroyo in too long last start? ;)

[MrCinatit]

Wow. Giles owns this team.

Earlier, Thom and Chris were trying to explain Arroyo's inefficientness on Javy being the catcher.
What about the other three innings, where he was just as ineffective?
I want the '06 Arroyo back.

[TeamBoone]

Top 4th

Ensberg flies to the wall in LF; ball bounces off Dunn's glove; runner on 2B
Bard out at 1B on slow roller; runner advances to 3rd
Peavy sac fly to center
Giles HR
Blum SO

Pads 5-0

Well, on the pregrame show, Arroyo said he hates pithing day games.

[penantboundreds]

what are arroyo's stats? he sucks during the day it seems....

[TeamBoone]

TB i said stupid play by Mike C as soon as I saw it....the only thing more stupid was the bat was still there and maybe he couldn't slide because of that...

He didn't slide because he didn't need to; the plate wasn't blocked!

[WVRedsFan]

Well, that's it.

Later

[penantboundreds]

TB .... if he doesn't slide or hit Ross and he ends up being out....he is labeled as lazy and dumb....i would think no player would run right through

[penantboundreds]

I wish BPhil would have got an off day against a pitcher like Peavy....

[TeamBoone]

Top 4

Hopper out at first
Phillips SO
Dunn SO

Pads 5-0

[SteelSD]

Well, at least Giles didn't homer twice in an Inning yet today.

Magglio Ordonez did.

[RedFanAlways1966]

Looked to me like Cameron was going to hit Ross in the chest area and then Ross lowered to make the catch and put his head in the area that was previously occupied by his chest. I do not think Cameron meant to pop him in the head. One of the quick happening things that causes it to look like something it wasn't. I also saw Ross' left leg in the baseline as he waited for the throw and then he stepped away at the last second to make the catch.

I do not think it was dirty. Was it necessary? Don't know. I have never liked collisions in baseball.

[SteelSD]

Greene with another XBH (double) for the Padres.

[Matt700wlw]

Add Greene to that list in which Bill Hall sits atop

[TeamBoone]

Top 5th

Cameron out to SS
Gonzalez flies out to RF
Greene doubles
Mackoviak SO

Pads 5-0

[SteelSD]

Macalphabet down swinging. Inning over.

[VR]

Cmon, seriously.
2 HR' in 290 abs....then 4 in the next 9?

[Matt700wlw]

Keppinger!!! :thumbup:

[edabbs44]

Cmon, seriously.
2 HR' in 290 abs....then 4 in the next 9?

Cincinnati pitching...resurrecting the dead like Jesus.

[KronoRed]

Giles is going to demand a trade to every team we play from here on out

[Matt700wlw]

By allowing a run, Peavy's road ERA will rise.


That's saying something

[11larkin11]

Cmon, seriously.
2 HR' in 290 abs....then 4 in the next 9?

Of course, the only answer is steroids:D

[Matt700wlw]

Ross - headache and concussion-like symptoms

[SteelSD]

Jason Ellison is so far behind Peavy's 94 MPH offerings. Yeesh.

[WVRedsFan]

Ellison adds so much to this club...

[Matt700wlw]

Thankfully Hamilton is on the bench

[WVRedsFan]

Thankfully Hamilton is on the bench

And that begs the question, "why"?

[TeamBoone]

Bottom 5th

Keppinger TRIPLES down the line in RF where the balles rattles around in the corner
Encarnacion grounds out; run scores
Ellison SO
Valentin bounces out to 2B

Pads 5-1

[Matt700wlw]

And that begs the question, "why"?

If I had an answer, I would tell you

[KronoRed]

Ellison adds so much to this club...

He's a real ballplayer

[SteelSD]

Jake Peavy now joins the doubles parade.

[SteelSD]

Giles being intentionally walked.

[WVRedsFan]

Peavy beats throw for a double. Reds walk Giles intentionally with two out. This is really bad baseball.

[Matt700wlw]

Peavy beats throw for a double. Reds walk Giles intentionally with two out. This is really bad baseball.

This isn't playing the game the right way?

[WVRedsFan]

This isn't playing the game the right way?

:) At 5-1, I doubt it.

Force play ends the inning.

Peavy with 65 pitches through 5. Looks like we won't get rid of him early.

[Matt700wlw]

A Hamilton sighting

[Matt700wlw]

How did he foul that off?

That was down (almost in the dirt), in, and at his ankles...

[Matt700wlw]

Well well well!!

[TeamBoone]

Woo Hoo! Triple.

Gotta love Josh!

[BCubb2003]

The Padres don't have a guy like Hopper.

[VR]

Jason Ellison is so far behind Peavy's 94 MPH offerings. Yeesh.


Ellison about to be behind Peavy's OPS as well. In 49 ab's....Ellison is at .545 compared to Peavy's .542.

Peavy does make up for the shortfall in OPS by having 6 RBI's to Ellison's 0.

[Matt700wlw]

Woo Hoo! Triple.

Gotta love Josh!

That one they scored a 3 base error...yet Dunn's a double...

[WVRedsFan]

Hamilton stands on 3rd base through the CFer's error.

Hatt hacking.

[SteelSD]

Macalphabet with a three-base error.

[Matt700wlw]

Hatte!

[VR]

Macalphabet with a three-base error.

what happened?

[WVRedsFan]

Hatt hacks out a double and Hamilton scores.

DirecTV freezes again.

[Matt700wlw]

Hopper with another hit...

[SteelSD]

Hatteberg drives a double to RF. Just about the same pitch Arroyo missed with when Giles hit his taters.

[SteelSD]

what happened?

Hamilton drove a sinking liner to LF and Mac's glove got caught in no man's land at mid-torso as he came in on the ball. Ball flew just over his glove and rolled nearly to the wall while Hamilton raced to 3B.

[RedFanAlways1966]

what happened?

Hamilton hit a pretty routine fly to LF. About 15 feet infromt of MacAlphabet (thanks, Steel). MacAlphabet is slow coming in and tries to basket catch it... only to blow it. Rolls by and allows Josh to get to third.

[Matt700wlw]

Dunn may have a career-high in sac flies this year

[WVRedsFan]

Phillips hacking away -- grounds out to third and Hatteberg stays put at third. Mac jumps off his seat.

Dunn hits the rare SF to score Hatt - 5-3. Peavy having an off day.

[SteelSD]

Dunn with a Sac Fly to barely score Hatteberg (he's sloooooooooooooooooooow). 5-3

[SteelSD]

Keppinger K's to end the Inning.

[VR]

Thanks Steele and 66.

[Matt700wlw]

Bray

[SteelSD]

Bray

The sound a donkey makes? Was I right?? What do I win????:D

[RedFanAlways1966]

With Peavy on the mound, 3 runs may be more than enough

Sorry to bring this one back, Matt, but... :D

However, 5 runs might be a different story. I am not giving up yet. I am a glutton for punishment.... esp. since the bullpen is now in the game for the REDS.

[Matt700wlw]

Sorry to bring this one back, Matt, but... :D

However, 5 runs might be a different story. I am not giving up yet. I am a glutton for punishment.... esp. since the bullpen is now in the game for the REDS.

I hope 5 isn't enough either :cool:

[SteelSD]

Cameron with a triple. Sigh.

[WVRedsFan]

Man, Bray's mechanics looks like an arm injury waiting to happen.

Cameron triples as Ellison has trouble running it down in right.

<sigh>

[SteelSD]

Gonzalez strikes out. Slider/Slider/Slider.

[WVRedsFan]

Anyone but me think Greene looks like a girl???

[Matt700wlw]

Anyone but me think Greene looks like a girl???

I think he looks like Jeff Spicoli, kind of.

[Matt700wlw]

It really doesn't matter anymore who the Reds run out there from that bullpen, does it?

[WVRedsFan]

The savior looks pretty hittable today.

Maybe Eddie was the savior. It used to be Paul Wilson according to Castellini. I can't remember...

[SteelSD]

Now Greene doubles on a slider as Bray was, apparently, told by Mackanin to throw him nothing but sliders.

This ain't Legion ball, Pete.

[Matt700wlw]

Here comes Majewski!

"The trade" in full swing on this Sunday afternoon.

[WVRedsFan]

Bray 2/3 IP 2H 1 ER 0 W 1 K.

Now we get Majewski.

Hide the women and children.

EDIT - I liked him better with all the hair

[SteelSD]

Now Mackanin pulls Bray in order to have Majewski face Ensberg. But then why leave in Bray to face Greene if your plan is to play matchup ball here, Pete?

Dumb.

[Matt700wlw]

Now Mackanin pulls Bray in order to have Majewski face Ensberg. But then why leave in Bray to face Greene if your plan is to play matchup ball here, Pete?

Dumb.

Should have walked Green if that's the case.

[SteelSD]

Thankfully, Ensberg is too impatient to allow Majewski to pitch himself into trouble and grounds out on the first pitch.

[SteelSD]

Should have walked Green if that's the case.

At that point, you either just bring in Majewski to face Greene or you leave Bray in to face Ensberg. What he did makes no sense.

[SteelSD]

Ellison closes his eyes, swings as early as he can and ticks a lazy fly out to short LCF. Two down.

[Matt700wlw]

:valentin:

:jump:

[SteelSD]

Griffey up. The Reds have the most powerful pinch hitters in the game available today.

[Matt700wlw]

Griffey up. The Reds have the most powerful pinch hitters in the game available today.

I guess that's a plus!

[WVRedsFan]

Oh joy. We get the Heath if Peavy goes out.

[SteelSD]

Hatteberg singles in order to chase Peavy. Griffey to 2nd.

[VR]

Hopefully Griffey stays in the game to get another ab in the 9th, but then...I'd have left Hammy in there too.

Peavy has given up 4 runs for the 4 time this year.

[WVRedsFan]

Bell in to pitch to Hopper after Hatteberg's base hit. 2 on, 2 out and that superstar Hopper up.

Odds he grounds out to short? Very high.

[TeamBoone]

Ellison closes his eyes, swings as early as he can and ticks a lazy fly out to short LCF. Two down.

I wonder why Hamilton was not left in the game.

[Matt700wlw]

Scored an error.

Is Glen Sample drinking?

[VR]

Got to give the Reds credit for the hutzpah to keep fighting in this one. They could have closed up shop after spotting Peavy 5 runs.

[SteelSD]

Hopper on E-6. Greene ranged far behind the 2B bag to get to the ball, but the throw took the 1B off the bag. Loaded for Phillips.

[VR]

Bell in to pitch to Hopper after Hatteberg's base hit. 2 on, 2 out and that superstar Hopper up.

Odds he grounds out to short? Very high.

Giving you all the rep points I have left.

[11larkin11]

Bad call by the ump. Even if he pulled his foot, he got it back before Hopper reached first.

[VR]

Scored an error.

Is Glen Sample drinking?

Is his middle name Levit or Fiddich?

[SteelSD]

Ugh. Phillips with a rocket line out to 1B. One foot to either side and he clears the bags.

[WVRedsFan]

I often think umpires come into town thinking the Reds pitcher's are horrible and don't give them the close pitch.

[Matt700wlw]

Walking Giles again.


He's not Babe Ruth, folks!

[11larkin11]

Walking Giles again.


He's not Babe Ruth, folks!

He's also not Geoff Blum

[11larkin11]

Burton for closer in '08

[WVRedsFan]

Great pitch selection by Burton.

[Matt700wlw]

That Jason Ellison is a special player....he hasn't hit the ball 10 feet since coming over.

[edabbs44]

That Jason Ellison is a special player....he hasn't hit the ball 10 feet since coming over.

Just another low risk player for Wayne. If he sucks, no big deal. If he works out, then Wayne is a genius.

He's made his living in Cincy just on these moves. Take the good with the bad I guess.

[Matt700wlw]

Just another low risk player for Wayne. If he sucks, no big deal. If he works out, then Wayne is a genius.

He's made his living in Cincy just on these moves. Take the good with the bad I guess.

Maybe I'm just riddled me this Batman why he's playing over Hamilton

[TeamBoone]

Why not leave Burton in?

I just don't get the constant pitching changes after someone has pitched well. What's the point? I need some enlightenment.

[WVRedsFan]

Maybe I'm just riddled me this Batman why he's playing over Hamilton

As we've heard, if Wayne is making out the lineup card or telling Mac who to play--there's your answer.

[WVRedsFan]

You know, this team came in here just not scoring any runs against anyone. They come here and they're hitting EB hits all over the place. And i agree with TB. Why take Burton out unless they don't really care if hey win--they're looking at everyone for next year. but that goes against what the owner and everyone says. I'm confused.

[edabbs44]

You know, this team came in here just not scoring any runs against anyone. They come here and they're hitting EB hits all over the place. And i agree with TB. Why take Burton out unless they don't really care if hey win--they're looking at everyone for next year. but that goes against what the owner and everyone says. I'm confused.

I think we've all been confused for a while now.

[WVRedsFan]

Savior No. 2 looking not so good right now.

The two so far 1 IP 4 H 2 ER.

Wonder who the next savior is?

[Matt700wlw]

Time for Eddie to call it a career before Krivsky decides to pick up his option in hope that he rebounds...

[WVRedsFan]

Make that 1 IP 5 H 4 ER.

[edabbs44]

Savior No. 2 looking not so good right now.

The two so far 1 IP 4 H 2 ER.

Wonder who the next savior is?

Such a waste of time and energy...I can't wait for another fun filled off-season of bullpen turnover and elderly FA signings.

[Ron Madden]

Everyday Eddie is finished. Picking up his option would be foolish.

[corkedbat]

What's the use of running Everyday Eighty out there in August on a lost-cause team? He may have some savvy left but he doesn't miss bats any more.

Krivisy is a slobbering dumb ass. Sorry if that offends anybody, but it's much milder than what I should/would like to say. Sheesh! Ellison, Hopper, Conine, Castro, Stanton even Hatteburg and Weathers - as much as I appreciate their contributions - serve no purpose. I'm not a happy camper.

[edabbs44]

Gosling in for Guardado...that should help.

[Matt700wlw]

I didn't think it was humanly possible for this bullpen to get WORSE.

It has.

[WVRedsFan]

Gosling in for Guardado...that should help.

yeah. that really helped.

good grief.

[edabbs44]

What's the use of running Everday Eighty out there in August on a lost-cause team? He may have some savvy left but he doesn't miss bats any ore.

Krivisy is a slobbering dumb ass. Sorry if that offends anybody, but it's much milder than what I should/would like to say. Sheesh! Ellison, Hopper, Conine, Castro, Stanton even Hatteburg and Weathers - as much as I appreciate their contributions - serve no purpose. I'm not a happy camper.

Dude...Wayne has only been here for 1.5 years. He needs more time. ;)

[penantboundreds]

how can you say hatteberg and weathers dont help? what?!!?

[edabbs44]

I didn't think it was humanly possible for this bullpen to get WORSE.

It has.

Worse compared to last year or worse compared to earlier this year?

The '07 Cincy Bullpen - Lowering the bar each and every day.

[WVRedsFan]

Dude...Wayne has only been here for 1.5 years. He needs more time.

And beside, he and Castellini are on the same page.

[Matt700wlw]

Worse compared to last year or worse compared to earlier this year?

The '07 Cincy Bullpen - Lowering the bar each and every day.

This year.

Last year's although not good, was better than this.....mess...

[Matt700wlw]

And beside, he and Castellini are on the same page.

I don't buy it.

[Ron Madden]

Dude...Wayne has only been here for 1.5 years. He needs more time.

Time?

He should get 10 to 20 in the slammer, this bullpen is a crime.

[corkedbat]

And beside, he and Castellini are on the same page.

The Want Ads, hopefully.

[TeamBoone]

I'm not a happy camper.

I'm not either. The Reds had a fair shot to win this game. Playing Russian routlette with the BP brought that to a swift end. Burton was pitching well. Leave him in for Pete's sake!

I made the remark on a different thread that the Reds play 30 games against intradivision teams prior to the season's end, and they're really not playing bad ball right now. Thus, they still have a chance, regardless of what Marty thinks, what Chris thinks, and what most on this board think.

I'm really tired of hearing the season is lost, the Reds are out of it, the Reds need to think about next year NOW.

They are NOT out of it. Thus, the crappy lineup and in-game mismanagement really really ticks me off.

[edabbs44]

Time?

He should get 10 to 20 in the slammer, this bullpen is a crime.

Should've put a smiley face at the end of that.

[corkedbat]

how can you say hatteberg and weathers dont help? what?!!?

Didn't say they don't help. They could be a lot of help for a contender. They are not the future of this club though and that is where the efforts of this franchise should be focused. Krivsky has had 1.5 years too many.

[Joseph]

Did anyone else fall into a blackout at 3 CST because of the Bengals Lions replay?

I'm pissed.

[Matt700wlw]

Did anyone else fall into a blackout at 3 CST because of the Bengals Lions replay?

I'm pissed.

Afraid you may miss a rally? ;)

[WVRedsFan]

Time?

He should get 10 to 20 in the slammer, this bullpen is a crime.

Witness this:

San Diego bullpen: 1.1 IP 0 H 0 R nothing

Reds bullpen: 3 IP 7 H 5 R, not to mention 3 BB

[corkedbat]

The only thing this roster is developing is mildew.

[WVRedsFan]

Game over 10-4 Pads.

Despite Jake Peavy having a bad outing and our no. 2 starter on the mound, we blow it with a quriky lineup that includes Ellison and poor bullpen management.

I agree with TB, we could still be in this thing, but those in charge will find a way to screw that up too.

[westofyou]

They are NOT out of it.

They're so out of IT that the light from IT would take 10 million years to touch them.

Get ready for this and that and some more of something else.. most of it should annoy 1/2 of the board at all times.

[membengal]

What's the use of running Everyday Eighty out there in August on a lost-cause team? He may have some savvy left but he doesn't miss bats any more.

Krivisy is a slobbering dumb ass. Sorry if that offends anybody, but it's much milder than what I should/would like to say. Sheesh! Ellison, Hopper, Conine, Castro, Stanton even Hatteburg and Weathers - as much as I appreciate their contributions - serve no purpose. I'm not a happy camper.

Heh. With you, 100%.

[WVRedsFan]

Heh. With you, 100%.

"slobbering dumb ass"

Has a nice ring to it. Will this be the moniker that stays with Krivsky? I think I'll abreviate it "SDA".


P. S. I was on that wagon a long time ago.

[westofyou]

"slobbering dumb ass"

Has a nice ring to it. Will this be the moniker that stays with Krivsky? I think I'll abreviate it "SDA".


P. S. I was on that wagon a long time ago.

Slobbering dumb ass eh.... jeez you'd think the man inherited the freaking 1977 Reds.


Laughing my ass off myself.

[Ltlabner]

Notes from the game.

The Bad-Kyle Loshe team showed up today.

Was very, very hot. I have to admit that in the 7th inning we went to the 4192 club and watched the rest of the game on a big-screen tv. Other than the glaring sun off the white concrete of the stadium, and sweating like a pig it was a beautiful day at the ballyard.

Well....that's about it.

[WVRedsFan]

Slobbering dumb ass eh.... jeez you'd think the man inherited the freaking 1977 Reds.


Laughing my ass off myself.
Forgot the emolticon, as in :laugh:

BTW, that was corkedbat's line, not mine.

[Always Red]

They are NOT out of it. Thus, the crappy lineup and in-game mismanagement really really ticks me off.

The Reds were out of it by Memorial Day this year (yes, they were).

Today's 9th inning, and the next 6 weeks, are all about (among other things) deciding if they're going to pick up the option on Guardado or not. They're finding out what they have for next year. Ellison? Good in the field, way overmatched at the plate, though Jake Peavy will do that to you. Hopper and Kepp are going to keep playing, to find out if they are flash-in-the-pans, or bonafide major leaguers. Having those two guys on my bench all year long in 2008 makes me feel much better for the future. Neither will be stars or hopefully even full time starters, but every team in the league has need for guys like this on the bench.

This team especially needs to find out who can pitch and who cannot. This is an extended tryout for next April for the likes of Guardado, Majewski, Stanton, Dumatrait, Livingston and their likes, IMO. I want to see Salmon, and McBeth more after Sept 1st, also.

[KronoRed]

They're so out of IT that the light from IT would take 10 million years to touch them.


:lol: :lol:

Tis the curse of playing in a bad division.

[Matt700wlw]

wrong thread