8/16/07 - Reds vs. Cubs Game Thread

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds Starting Lineup:


Hamilton cf
Keppinger ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Hatteberg 1b
Valentin c
Encarnacion 3b
Livingston p

[BRM]

How many teams routinely bat their leader in homeruns and RBIs somewhere other than 4th?

[Matt700wlw]

Traditionally against a righty...they should stack the lefties....don't the Cubs only have 1 lefty in the bullpen?

Hatteberg
Hamilton
Griffey
Dunn
Phillips
Encarnacion
Valentin
Livingston


I like the players in there either way

[BRM]

Traditionally against a righty...they should stack the lefties....don't the Cubs only have 1 lefty in the bullpen?


Scott Eyre is the primary left-hander out of the pen. Lefties have a .954 OPS against him. Looks like the called up another one recently, Carmen Pignatiello. He hasn't pitched yet.

[RedsManRick]

I honestly don't get the point of switching it up when they don't have a LOOGY in the pen. Against righties, Phillips should be batting no higher than 6th. Ridiculous.

[KronoRed]

How many teams routinely bat their leader in homeruns and RBIs somewhere other than 4th?

Dunno, but losing teams seem to do it a lot.

[PuffyPig]

How many teams routinely bat their leader in homeruns and RBIs somewhere other than 4th?

Pujols
Fielder
Holiday

all hit 3rd.

[BRM]

BP in the 4 hole: .279/.333/.421
BP vs RHP: .246/.299/.399

That's two pretty good reasons why he shouldn't be hitting 4th today. Now watch him hit a couple of 3 run bombs.

[Matt700wlw]

BP in the 4 hole: .279/.333/.421
BP vs RHP: .246/.299/.399

That's two pretty good reasons why he shouldn't be hitting 4th today. Now watch him hit a couple of 3 run bombs.

That'd be cool :D

[BRM]

Pujols
Fielder
Holiday

all hit 3rd.

So most team's bat their primary power threat and run producers 3rd or 4th, except the Reds.

Fielder has logged more at-bats in the 4 hole than any other spot, by the way.

[cumberlandreds]

Here's the Cubs lineup per Yahoo. I feel a sweep today by the Reds. The goat is rising fast in the Cubs.

Chi Cubs

R. Theriot ss
M. DeRosa 2b
D. Lee 1b
A. Ramirez 3b
J. Fox rf
M. Murton lf
J. Jones cf
K. Hill c
J. Marquis p

[BRM]

Great news for Saturday's game. :rolleyes:

From John Fay,



The plan right now is to start Michael Gosling Saturday -- unless, of course, he's needed like Victor Santos was.

Gosling's numbers against right-handers are scary. Right-handers are hitting .370 with .525 on-base and a 1.068 OPS.

[Matt700wlw]

Joy

[cumberlandreds]

Great news for Saturday's game. :rolleyes:

From John Fay,


They really don't have much choice. Can't bring Belisle back up yet,Bailey still not ready from his injury and there's not really anyone else that's MLB ready in AAA that I know of. I sure don't won't see Sarloos again.

[alloverjr]

They really don't have much choice.

Cueto?

[cumberlandreds]

Cueto?

I don't believe the Reds think he is ready yet. They just sent him back to AA so Chattanooga could have a shot in their playoffs.

[BRM]

I'd rather bring the Lizard up than give the ball to Gosling.

[cumberlandreds]

I'd rather bring the Lizard up than give the ball to Gosling.

I would too. I forgot about him.

[Matt700wlw]

Now Phillips is hurt...

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Looks like Phillips may have rolled his ankle there.

[BRM]

Now Phillips is hurt...

What happened?

[Matt700wlw]

What happened?

Hopefully nothing, but he was very slow out of the box

[KronoRed]

Rub some dirt on it

[HumnHilghtFreel]

What happened?

He should probably be okay, he slipped on his way out of the box and pretty much slow-jogged down to first and was grimmacing. He's out there and seems to be okay now though.

[BRM]

He should probably be okay, he slipped on his way out of the box and pretty much slow-jogged down to first and was grimmacing. He's out there and seems to be okay now though.

Thanks.

[Matt700wlw]

If Phillips is playing hurt...

Jeff: "Who else you going to put out there?"

Marty: "You've got Mark Belhorn..."

Jeff: "Like I said, who else you going to put out there?"

:lol:

[BRM]

If Phillips is playing hurt...

Jeff: "Who else you going to put out there?"

Marty: "You've got Mark Belhorn..."

Jeff: "Like I said, who else you going to put out there?"

:lol:

Brantley's no fan of Bellhorn, huh?

[KronoRed]

Brantley's no fan of Bellhorn, huh?

Is anyone other then Mrs.Bellhorn? :D

[BRM]

1-0 on a DeRosa double.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Livington gives up an RBI double. Theriot scores from first.

[Matt700wlw]

Nice, Griffey!

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Griffey makes a great catch on a D. Lee warning track shot. Lost track of the ball, turned jumped and made the catch. Runner advances to 3rd.

[Matt700wlw]

Livingston isn't fooling Stevie Wonder

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Livingston just doesn't have it today. Everyone is hitting him hard. Ramirez doubles in another run.

[Matt700wlw]

Gosling's going to be needed today...

[BRM]

This is getting ugly already.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

ANOTHER double, this time by Jake Fox. Ramirez scores easily from 2nd.

[Matt700wlw]

Throwing fastballs when it's not fast isn't going to work

[BRM]

Throwing fastballs when it's not fast isn't going to work

And throwing them over the heart of the plate.

[Matt700wlw]

And throwing them over the heart of the plate.

With no movement.

[BRM]

With no movement.

It all adds up to a beating.

[dabvu2498]

So most team's bat their primary power threat and run producers 3rd or 4th, except the Reds.

Fielder has logged more at-bats in the 4 hole than any other spot, by the way.

Alex Rios. Though he isn't actually leading them in RBI.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Murton lines out to center, another well hit ball though.

[deltachi8]

And throwing them over the heart of the plate.

For Livingston to have success, he ha sto live on the corners - if he ain't then he is in for a world of trouble.

[BRM]

Alex Rios. Though he isn't actually leading them in RBI.

Good find. He's done most of his damage hitting leadoff.

[Matt700wlw]

Well...

[HumnHilghtFreel]

Jacque Jones stood for about a full 2 seconds after flipping his bat... to admire his double.

[BRM]

Jacque Jones stood for about a full 2 seconds after flipping his bat... to admire his double.

He should get some chin music his next plate appearance.

[Cyclone792]

The next time Jacque Jones is up, Livingston (or whoever is pitching) needs to put one right in Jones' ear flap in response to that little bat flip Jones has been doing.

[Matt700wlw]

The next time Jacque Jones is up, Livingston (or whoever is pitching) needs to put one right in Jones' ear flap in response to that little bat flip Jones has been doing.

Livingston's may not even leave a mark..

[Matt700wlw]

:dunn:

:jump:

[RedsManRick]

Behold the wonders of BABIP correction. A 24.0% LD and .305 BABIP simply don't go together. Guess which one I think is more reflectively of Livingston's true ability?

Now if only Mac could put Dunn in a spot where he could hit with some guys on base... uggh.

[BRM]

Man, it's a good thing Dunn bats behind the team leader in outs...

Hat with a 4 pitch walk.

[cumberlandreds]

:dunn:

:jump:


I'm guessing a Home Run?? :D

[dabvu2498]

Good find. He's done most of his damage hitting leadoff.

Khalil Greene (tied for lead in HR, 2 behind in RBI) has hit 5-6 most of the year.

[Cyclone792]

I'm guessing a Home Run?? :D

Yep, probably a wind aided bomb too. Looked like Dunn hit a towering fly ball that the wind just carried right into the basket in right field. Either way, it went into the basket so they all count just the same. ;)

[Matt700wlw]

Marquis fears Livingston :cool:

[Cyclone792]

Jason Marquis is doing his best to let the Reds right back in this game. Hatteberg walks, Valentin pops out, Encarnacion doubles (Hatteberg to third), and now Livingston just walked.

Hamilton's up with the bases full.

[cumberlandreds]

Yep, probably a wind aided bomb too. Looked like Dunn hit a towering fly ball that the wind just carried right into the basket in right field. Either way, it went into the basket so they all count just the same. ;)

So the wind is blowing out today? That may be our only chance to win this one. I believe we got more power in the lineup than the Cubbie's.

[BRM]

Yep, probably a wind aided bomb too. Looked like Dunn hit a towering fly ball that the wind just carried right into the basket in right field. Either way, it went into the basket so they all count just the same. ;)

He can only hit them when the Reds are trailing by a bunch. ;)

[Cyclone792]

Hamilton is hit by the pitch in the forearm and it's now 4-2, bases still full with one out.

[Cyclone792]

Keppinger with an infield hit in the hole at shortstop. A run scores, and everyone is safe. Bases are still full with one out and Junior now up.

[Matt700wlw]

Junior goes from so good.....to complete stupidity (may not all have been him)

:bang:

Tie game anyway

[NJReds]

More awful baserunning by the reds.

[cumberlandreds]

Junior goes from so good.....to complete stupidity

:bang:

Tie game anyway


What Happened?

[NJReds]

Junior goes from so good.....to complete stupidity

:bang:

Tie game anyway

Not his fault. It should've been a double. The runner on second has to score on that. The first base coach also has some involvement there.

[Cyclone792]

I'm not sure whose fault that was, but that was a terrible play. Griffey hits a bomb high off the right-center field wall, Livingston scores, Hamilton only goes from 2nd to 3rd, Keppinger only goes from 1st to 2nd, and Griffey is hung out to dry between 1st and 2nd.

Sounds to me like Mark Berry got a bunch of people confused there, and it cost the Reds big time.

[flyer85]

Jr been killing 'em on the bases of late

[NJReds]

What Happened?

Jr. hit one off the wall with the bases loaded. He was halfway to second base when he realized that Keppinger was still at second. He was caught going bact to first. Hamilton either was not sent, or did not go, home from second.

[redsfan30]

That sure was wierd....

[cumberlandreds]

Jr. hit one off the wall with the bases loaded. He was halfway to second base when he realized that Keppinger was still at second. He was caught going bact to first. Hamilton either was not sent, or did not go, home from second.

Thanks. Sounds like horrid baserunning or mental meltdown by the 3rd base coach.

[flyer85]

Not his fault. yes it was, Hamilton should have scored but you ALWAYS have to watch the runners ahead of you, instead he was admiring his "shot".

[Matt700wlw]

Not his fault. .

I added that...

[New Fever]

How can that be blamed on Griffey, it was clearly Berry's of Hamilton's fault Keppinger was also half way to third.

[Matt700wlw]

If you like offense, this series is for you!

[NJReds]

yes it was, Hamilton should have scored but you ALWAYS have to watch the runners ahead of you, instead he was admiring his "shot".

And the first base coach...was he having a snack?

[Falls City Beer]

It looks like the real Ted Lilly and the real Jason Marquis escaped from their rope-bindings, killed the doppelgangers who threw in their place for 3 1/2 months, and assumed their rightful positions on the mound.

[redsfan30]

80% Berry
20% Junior

That's my take.

[flyer85]

Thanks. Sounds like horrid baserunning or mental meltdown by the 3rd base coach.Hamilton went back to tag(a mistake) but you have to watch the runners, Jr never did(he was watching what was going on in the OF).

[BRM]

Theriot singles on another "fastball" right down the middle.

[Falls City Beer]

Theriot singles on another "fastball" right down the middle.

Love that Reds' pitching depth.

[flyer85]

80% Berry
20% Junior

That's my take.Berry had nothing to do with it.

[NJReds]

On the replay he did look once, and Kepp was on his way to third. He glanced back to the OF and saw the throw coming in then looked and saw Kepp heading back to second (because Hamilton was at third base). He stopped short and headed back to first. He might have been safe if he slid back to the bag.

[cumberlandreds]

I think I will take the over on 20 runs today.

[flyer85]

And the first base coach...was he having a snack?uh, the play was in front of Jr, he has his head up ...

[NJReds]

Berry had nothing to do with it.

Hamilton should've been halfway.

[BRM]

Love that Reds' pitching depth.

Is that what it's called? Depth?

[NJReds]

uh, the play was in front of Jr, he has his head up ...

As much as you want to put this all on Jr., in this case it was a team effort. More bad baseball from the Reds. It's not a surprise.

[flyer85]

Hamilton should've been halfway.
but he didn't, he went back to the bag. It was a mistake but you don't compound it with a 2nd mistake.

[Cyclone792]

This is already an odd game. Ramirez hits a two out grounder to shortstop, but the ball hits the baserunner DeRosa between 2nd and 3rd and the inning is over.

[BRM]

Looked like Ramirez may have swung at ball 4.

[NJReds]

This is already an odd game. Ramirez hits a two out grounder to shortstop, but the ball hits the baserunner DeRosa between 2nd and 3rd and the inning is over.

Don't see that too often. Ramirez gets credited with a hit, according to the announcer.

[HumnHilghtFreel]

I just took my dog out for a walk and I missed all the excitement :(

This series has been... entertaining, so far.

[DoogMinAmo]

Looked like Ramirez may have swung at ball 4.

I guess he doesn't like to be pitched around. Livingston should send him a thank you card.

[DoogMinAmo]

Great, a 4 pitch inning for Marquis.

EDIT: Take that back, gameday is a Cubs fan, said Valentins double was an out.

[BRM]

Jacque Jones cannot be stopped.

[WVRedsFan]

Great catch by Junior

[BRM]

Theriot smacks the Cubs' 6th double of the day. DeRosa plates him with an RBI single.

[redsfan30]

Junior's throwin' some leather on 'em today!

[WVRedsFan]

Looks like the whole inning was Junior on defense. 5-4 cubs after 4.

[WVRedsFan]

Junior on fire--double to lead off the 5th.

[RedsManRick]

Wonder what the record is for most doubles allowed by a pitcher?

[Matt700wlw]

That's just how it's going right now for Phillips

[PuffyPig]

Behold the wonders of BABIP correction. A 24.0% LD and .305 BABIP simply don't go together. Guess which one I think is more reflectively of Livingston's true ability?



A 24% LD% isn't particularly high.

A pitcher's BABIP should be around .300 no matter what his LD% is.

[Matt700wlw]

Wow. Damn.

JB: "Not fair."

[WVRedsFan]

Ball's being hit hard by everyone, but they're all At-em balls.

[BRM]

JB: "Not fair."

Referring to what? Dunn and BP's liners?

[DoogMinAmo]

Need Hattie to come through here.

[Matt700wlw]

Referring to what? Dunn and BP's liners?

Yes.

[BRM]

Hat with his 2nd walk of the game. Two on, two outs for Javy.

[RedsManRick]

A 24% LD% isn't particularly high.

A pitcher's BABIP should be around .300 no matter what his LD% is.

Ummm, no and no.

A 24% LD is very high. The highest LD% in MLB right now among 85 qualified pitchers is Jon Garland at 23.1%. (Interestingly, Arroyo & Belisle are 3rd and 4th respectively)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=2&season=2007

Furthermore, the accepted equation for expected BABIP is LD% + .120, which puts Belisle at 50 points under his expectation. Hit type absolutely matters when it comes to pitcher BABIP.

(no specifc link, just google it!)

[BRM]

The unstoppable Jacque Jones coming up with a runner on and 1 out. No worries though, Gary Majewski is loose and ready should Livingston get in trouble again.

Update - Jones and Hill strike out. Inning over.

[Matt700wlw]

Ellison to hit for Livingston...what's the point?

[PuffyPig]

Ummm, no and no.

A 24% LD is very high. The highest LD% in MLB right now among 85 qualified pitchers is Jon Garland at 23.1%. (Interestingly, Arroyo & Belisle are 3rd and 4th respectively)

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=2&season=2007

Furthermore, the accepted equation for expected BABIP is LD% + .120, which puts Belisle at 50 points under his expectation. Hit type absolutely matters when it comes to pitcher BABIP.

(no specifc link, just google it!)

If that is the case, then a LD% must be a reflection of luck, as BABIP should usually be around .300.

Otherwise, if a pitcher could control his LD%, he could control his BABIP.

[BRM]

Ellison to hit for Livingston...what's the point?

No kidding.

[NJReds]

Anther line drive caught. Reds doing a good job of finding gloves today.

[BRM]

Majewski coming in! Woo-hoo!

[RedsManRick]

If that is the case, then a LD% must be a reflection of luck, as BABIP should usually be around .300.

Otherwise, if a pitcher could control his LD%, he could control his BABIP.

Puffy, I want to keep it cordial, but pitchers can and do control their hit types and those hit types have significant variances in BABIP. Yes, there will be year to year variation in LD% for a given pitcher, but that variation will happen around a mean that varies from pitcher to pitcher.

BABIP is not completely random. Rather, among pitchers who establish themselves in the major leagues, there is not significant variation such that any single pitcher can greatly affect his or her own BABIP.

Bobby Livingston may very well be (sample size is admittedly small) a pitcher who gives up 24% LDs at the major league level consistently and thus should be giving up around .360 BABIP consistently. It doesn't mean he's unlucky necessarily. It very well could mean he's not a major league caliber pitcher.

But back to the game...

[BRM]

Majic with a scoreless inning.

That's not a typo.

[Topcat]

Effective inning by Maj, color me shocked lol.

[Matt700wlw]

Kudos to the camera man!! Nice work!

:clap:

[BRM]

Kudos to the camera man!! Nice work!

:clap:

Care to elaborate?

[Matt700wlw]

Care to elaborate?

A bunch of little Cub hotties

[RedsManRick]

A bunch of little Cub hotties

Here in Chicago the correct term is "Trixie".

[BRM]

A bunch of little Cub hotties

Sweet!

[BRM]

Keppinger walks.

That's not a typo either. He actually walked.

[Topcat]

Way to start rally Kep

[BRM]

Here comes the Cubs version of a LOOGY, Scott Eyre. Lefties hammer him by the way.

[Topcat]

Just to add a comment Kep has shown so far to be anything but a bench player. He seems to set the table quite well and has had timely hits.

[Cyclone792]

Phillips needs to be patient here in this plate appearance. Eyre has walked quite a few guys, and Phillips is already ahead in the count. If he doesn't get anything to hit, take the free pass and give Dunn a shot with a pair of runners on.

[Matt700wlw]

That may have been ball 4

[BRM]

That 3-1 pitch looked a bit high and away.

[BRM]

Phillips K's and Kepp gets caught trying to steal 2nd. Inning over.

[Cyclone792]

Phillips fouls off ball 4 on a 3-1 pitch, then the next pitch is well ... a disaster. Phillips strikes out swinging and Keppinger is thrown out by 10 feet on a hit-and-run.

[RedsManRick]

Nothing like running in to an out with your best power hitter coming up...

[flyer85]

has BP in the cleanup spot ran its course?

[Matt700wlw]

Someone should ask Peter Cetera how that whole leaving Chicago thing worked out for him...

[NJReds]

Reds are hitting line drives into outs, and the Cubs get a bloop single. As Mariano Rivera says after a rare blown save...that's baseball.

[Cyclone792]

has BP in the cleanup spot ran its course?

Phillips is now hitting .256/.298/.398/.696 since the All-Star break with exactly five walks and eight double plays.

When a hitter has zero plate discipline like Phillips, those huge slumps are prone to happen.

[flyer85]

majewski lacks an out pitch ... it's the reason he is fodder

[WVRedsFan]

Majewski back to his regular form. Giving up hits. He's almost worthless. I used to watch him in Washington and wonder why everyone thought so much of him.

Now we get Stanton. Hide the women and children. :eek:

[Matt700wlw]

That couldn't have felt good...

[vaticanplum]

Who do I hate more, the Cubs or Mike Stanton?

Very tough call.

[Matt700wlw]

Now he'll promptly blow this game right open...

[BRM]

Mike Stanton...the gift that keeps on giving.

Who was injured?

[BRM]

majewski lacks an out pitch ... it's the reason he is fodder

That's crazy talk. I was told he was a bullpen stud when he pitched for the Nats.

[NJReds]

Mike Stanton...the gift that keeps on giving.

Who was injured?

If anyone, Stanton. The ball was hit back at him off his leg. But he stayed in.

[WVRedsFan]

The Cubs announcers on WGN are gonna make me puke.

CubLove = :barf:

[NJReds]

Nothing is going the Reds way today. Second flair of the inning.

[CTA513]

Great news for Saturday's game. :rolleyes:

From John Fay,

Its sure going to be fun to watch Gosling walk everyone.

[Matt700wlw]

There are no more words...clean ones anyway

[WVRedsFan]

Why do they continue to march Stanton out there. They had him warming last night. Boggles my mind

[BRM]

Stanton manages to walk the unwalkable.

[NJReds]

Two of those were strikes. At least they were earlier.

[BRM]

Why do they continue to march Stanton out there. They had him warming last night. Boggles my mind

Win now!!

[flyer85]

it is really painful to have to watch Stanton and Majewski when there are a number of guys at AAA who are better and actually have an upside.

[Cyclone792]

Stanton is injured right now, and I really have no idea why he's still in the game. First Ross on Sunday, now Stanton today.

[BRM]

it is really painful to have to watch Stanton and Majewski when there are a number of guys at AAA who are better and actually have an upside.

There is likely a couple of guys at AA who are better. Stanton and Majic are nothing more than fodder.

[Matt700wlw]

DL his worthless....


Bring back Coutlanges

[WVRedsFan]

Why? Does Stanton have pictures of Krivsky or something?

[BRM]

Is this what Wayne meant by "learn to lose"?

[Roy Tucker]

On many pitches, Stanton can fool batters. The problem is, he doesn't have enough stuff left for them to miss it completely so they just foul it off.

Eventually, he has to give them a hittable pitch and that's when the trouble begins.

[flyer85]

Wasn't the Goose supposed to start Saturday?

[Tornon]

Well.. if you're looking for a silver lining looks like Gosling is coming in now

[BRM]

Well.. if you're looking for a silver lining looks like Gosling is coming in now

Gosling is a silver lining? It's worse than I thought.

[Tornon]

Gosling is a silver lining? It's worse than I thought.

Just means hes probably not pitching saturday now

[BRM]

Just means hes probably not pitching saturday now

I guess that could be a silver lining.

[Matt700wlw]

weeeee!!

[Matt700wlw]

Throwing error for Hamilton....

??

[BRM]

This is phenomenal. Someone please take the gas cans away.

[top6]

AHHHHHHHHHHH. I have a $50 bet (drunkenly made back in March) with an obnoxious Cubs fans that the Cubs will finish .500 or below. This would have been a sweet victory, but I will take 2/3. Of course, if the Cubs somehow lose this it will be all the better.

[flyer85]

Just means hes probably not pitching saturday nowIf Narron was still the manager he could start tomorrow.

[flyer85]

This is phenomenal. Someone please take the gas cans away.WK likes playing with matches.

[Heath]

Well, I guess the bullpen blew it open an inning early.

[Matt700wlw]

Um...yeah.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

A few things....


1. Brantley is awful at doing play-by-play. He should strictly be used as as color guy. I can't even tell what the heck is going on and it's like he's more concerned with the tone of his voice. It sounds like he's doing an impression of one of Gary Burbank's characters, Gibert Narly or somehting like that. Totally forced.

2. Stanton. Why?

3. Majewski. Why?

4. Is it me or do the Reds seems to lose many get out of town day games? It's like they realize they have a plane to catch and they pack it in. Even Mack (I'm a huge supporter of his as one can tell) keeps Stanton out there when it's obvious to everyone he doesn't have it.


5. Memo to Wayne. This is baseball, not rocket science. It's not that compicated Wayne. There is no reason to have Stanton and Majewski on the roster. None. Zero.

[Matt700wlw]

Fire Krivsky tomorrow...what the hell, why not?

He's not going to survive this mess....he's actually made a bad bullpen WORSE

[edabbs44]

Remember when Jerry was the main culprit behind the bullpen follies?

[CTA513]

Let Gosling finish the game and don't use Weathers, Burton or Bray.

[BRM]

The Cubs have hit 8 doubles today.

Majic, Stanton, and Gosling...a trifecta of suckitude...a trio of arsonists.

[KronoRed]

There are guys out in the pen who don't do this.

[CTA513]

Remember when Jerry was the main culprit behind the bullpen follies?

I remember when he was fired.

[BRM]

There are guys out in the pen who don't do this.

In Louisville's pen?

[flyer85]

.he's actually made a bad bullpen WORSEit happens when "below replacement level" defines the majority of it.

[BRM]

it happens when "below replacement level" defines the majority of it.

I hear the Reds are close to inking Josias Manzanillo again.

[flyer85]

Narron did his part as well with the way he screwed around with Burton early in the season.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

The Cubs have hit 8 doubles today.

Majic, Stanton, and Gosling...a trifecta of suckitude...a trio of arsonists.

This is the "learn to lose" trifecta.

Way to go, Wayne! What a smart SOB. We are in perfect position to get a top 3 pick next year thanks to Wayne's genius.

What a clever mastermind. We are so lucky.

[KronoRed]

In Louisville's pen?

There too.

[Roy Tucker]

The Cubs have hit 8 doubles today.

Majic, Stanton, and Gosling...a trifecta of suckitude...a trio of arsonists.

Los tres amigos gasolinos

[BRM]

Today is pretty bad but I'll still take winning 2 out of 3 in Chicago anytime.

[edabbs44]

Narron did his part as well with the way he screwed around with Burton early in the season.

Stengel, Weaver and Alston could be on the coaching staff for this team and the bullpen would still be horrific.

I just found it funny when, every game, someone would find fault with how the BP was being managed.

[Cyclone792]

Gary Majewski has pitched 23.2 innings in his Reds career in 33 total appearances, and he has allowed 27 earned runs, which is good for a 10.27 ERA. That's so terrible that it's actually hilarious. For a reliever in that many appearances, that's a stat line you'd see in a video game.

[dabvu2498]

Narron did his part as well with the way he screwed around with Burton early in the season.

What did Narron do to Burton?

[KronoRed]

Gary Majewski has pitched 23.2 innings in his Reds career in 33 total appearances, and he has allowed 27 earned runs, which is good for a 10.27 ERA. That's so terrible that it's actually hilarious. For a reliever in that many appearances, that's a stat line you'd see in a video game.

He's a gamer though

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Carlos Guevara's numbers in AA - Chattanooga:

51.2 IP
76 K

13+ K's per nine innings

[CTA513]

There too.

We probably won't see those guys until the rosters expand.

[KronoRed]

We probably won't see those guys until the rosters expand.

If even then.

[flyer85]

What did Narron do to Burton?never let him finish innings, and rarely use him.

[BRM]

Carlos Guevara's numbers in AA - Chattanooga:

51.2 IP
76 K

13+ K's per nine innings

Guys who miss bats have no business in this bullpen.

[flyer85]

Nothing is going the Reds way today. Second flair of the inning.It's what can happen when you don't miss bats

[BRM]

Jones with his 4th hit of the game, the 20th hit for the Cubs today.

[Cyclone792]

Carlos Guevara's numbers in AA - Chattanooga:

51.2 IP
76 K

13+ K's per nine innings

Carlos Guevara's numbers in AA Chattanooga post ASB:

13.1 IP
25 K

16.88 K/9

But he's too short and throws a trick pitch similar to a screwball so he must not be worth a damn in the Reds' eyes.

[NC Reds]

Carlos Guevara's numbers in AA - Chattanooga:

51.2 IP
76 K

13+ K's per nine innings


He doesn't sound scrappy enough for me. Plus he isn't 35 yet. Who needs that? :p:

[dabvu2498]

never let him finish innings, and rarely use him.

In 7 of his 11 outings under Narron, he pitched complete innings.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=burtoja01&t=p&year=2007

After his return from rehab, he pitched May 12, 14, 18, 20, 22, 23, 26, 27, 31.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

Gary Majewski's Reds numbers since The Trade:

23.2 IP
51 H (are you kidding me?)
5 BB
29 ER (are you kidding me?)
2.37 WHIP (laugh or cry?)
11.02 ERA

Seriously. A relief pitcher sporting a 11.02 ERA and a 2.37 WHIP. I don't think there is a pitcher alive that has put higher numbers up over the past 23 innings pitched, unless you count Bowser on my kids Super Mario All-Stars game.

[flyer85]

must not be worth a damn in the Reds' eyes.which judging by the current results, may be in need of serious correction.

[BRM]

which judging by the current results, may be in need of serious correction.

Nah, the pitchers just need to try harder. They'll be fine.

[edabbs44]

Carlos Guevara's numbers in AA Chattanooga post ASB:

13.1 IP
25 K

16.88 K/9

But he's too short and throws a trick pitch similar to a screwball so he must not be worth a damn in the Reds' eyes.

Maybe he can be dealt for Saarloos next winter.

[BRM]

It's over, finally. Cubs win it 12-4. Livingston gets the loss.

Line of the day goes to Mike Stanton:

0.0 IP, 3 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

[CTA513]

It's over, finally. Cubs win it 12-4. Livingston gets the loss.

Line of the day goes to Mike Stanton:

0.0 IP, 3 H, 4 ER, 1 BB, 0 K

Its good to know that he will still be with the team tomorrow.

[WVRedsFan]

Just in comparison...

Reds bullpen pitched 3 innings today and allowed 9 hits and 6 ER for an ERA of 18.00.
Cubs bullpen pitched 3 innings today and allowed 2 hits and 0 ER for an ERA of 00.00.

But, let's hope Wayne doesn't want to fix it. Two of the pitchers used today were acquired by Mr. Krivsky and they allowed all 6 ER and 6 hits in 1.1 innings of work. Apparently he and his "advisors" don't know pitching.

[nate]

Just in comparison...

Reds bullpen pitched 3 innings today and allowed 9 hits and 6 ER for an ERA of 18.00.
Cubs bullpen pitched 3 innings today and allowed 2 hits and 0 ER for an ERA of 00.00.

But, let's hope Wayne doesn't want to fix it. Two of the pitchers used today were acquired by Mr. Krivsky and they allowed all 6 ER and 6 hits in 1.1 innings of work. Apparently he and his "advisors" don't know pitching.

And the previous two days?

[BuckeyeRedleg]

And the previous two days?

And the previous 130+ days before those two days?

[nate]

And the previous 130+ days before those two days?

And the 3 years before Krivsky took over?

We can go all the way back to Harry Wheeler if you'd like.

[edabbs44]

And the 3 years before Krivsky took over?

We can go all the way back to Harry Wheeler if you'd like.

You just have to look at this season. The bullpen was a joke last season and, after much shuffling and spending of Castellini's money, it is even worse.

[BuckeyeRedleg]

And the 3 years before Krivsky took over?

We can go all the way back to Harry Wheeler if you'd like.

I'm not sure of your point.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds All-Time Home Run Leaders
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Ted Kluszewski - 251
5. George Foster - 244
6. Adam Dunn - 230
7. Eric Davis - 203
8. Barry Larkin - 198
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 192
10. Vada Pinson - 186
11. Wally Post - 172
12. Gus Bell - 160
13. Joe Morgan - 152
13. Pete Rose - 152
15. Lee May - 147
16. Dan Driessen - 133
17. Reggie Sanders - 125
18. Ernie Lombardi - 120
19. Sean Casey - 118
20. Frank McCormick - 110
21. Dave Parker - 107
22. Chris Sabo - 104
23. Dave Concepcion - 101
24. Gordy Coleman - 98
25. Paul O'Neill - 96

[Ron Madden]

So most team's bat their primary power threat and run producers 3rd or 4th, except the Reds.

Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig both hit LH and batted 3 & 4 in the order. That seemed to turn out pretty well.

For some odd reason the Reds hardly ever hit Griffey and Dunn 3 & 4 in the order even though they are two of the teams most productive hitters, and both are amoung team leaders in OB%.

:dunno:

[Ron Madden]

Brantley's no fan of Bellhorn, huh?

Jeff Brantley is a fan of Jeff Brantley and a huge brownnoser of Marty Brennamen.





kinda like Matt. ;)

[Ron Madden]

Behold the wonders of BABIP correction. A 24.0% LD and .305 BABIP simply don't go together. Guess which one I think is more reflectively of Livingston's true ability?

Now if only Mac could put Dunn in a spot where he could hit with some guys on base... uggh.


Doesn't Bobby Livingston remind you a whole lot of Branden Claussen?

[Matt700wlw]

Jeff Brantley is a fan of Jeff Brantley and a huge brownnoser of Marty Brennamen.





kinda like Matt. ;)


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