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Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Valentin c
Hatteberg 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Harang p

Reyes ss
Castillo 2b
Wright 3b
Beltran cf
Delgado 1b
Alou lf
Green rf
Lo Duca c
Martinez p

oneupper
09-03-2007, 11:55 AM
Mets lineup is very solid.

Harang will have to be on today.

KronoRed
09-03-2007, 12:51 PM
This Gonzalez in the 2 spot has got to stop.

nate
09-03-2007, 01:11 PM
This Gonzalez in the 2 spot has got to stop.

Oddly, he's thrived in that spot this year. In his career, its where he makes the fewest outs, along with the 8-spot.

Which is where I prefer him as well!

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:16 PM
better keep reyes off the basepaths, because javy doesn't have a chance

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:19 PM
David already a 25/25 guy, looking for 30/30?

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:20 PM
better keep reyes off the basepaths, because javy doesn't have a chance

Funny part is, in New York, Javy got him...easily.

:dunno:

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:21 PM
Castillo with a bunt single and Wright with a single to left. 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:25 PM
degado ops'ing .764:eek:

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:26 PM
Harang gets out of the inning with strikeouts of Beltran and Delgado. 0-0 mid 1st.

nate
09-03-2007, 01:27 PM
Delgado/Harang looked bad/good on those swings.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:29 PM
Hamilton with an infield single.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:29 PM
Hamilton leads off with an infield hit.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 01:30 PM
Clearly Josh Hamilton owns Pedro.

BCubb2003
09-03-2007, 01:30 PM
How did they get the grass so thick in drought conditions?

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
How did they get the grass so thick in drought conditions?

I'm sure they have a sprinkler system :p:

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
Gonzalez rips a double. Hamilton holds at third.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
did alou even see that ball

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
Gonzalez lines a double over Alou's head. 2nd and 3rd.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 01:31 PM
Need some runs here with 2nd and 3rd, no outs.

nate
09-03-2007, 01:32 PM
Alou played that in a very "Dunn-esque" manner.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:33 PM
josh just made it in...whew

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Hamilton beats the throw home on Junior's sac fly. 1-0 Reds.

nate
09-03-2007, 01:33 PM
Nice baserunning by Hammy to beat a nice throw from Beltran and a nice catch by LoDuca.

Nice!

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Phillips singles in a run. 2-0 Reds.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Phillips RBI single through the drawn in infield.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 01:34 PM
BP with the clutch hit.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Phillips gets his 26th steal of the year.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Phillips steals base number 26. He's four homers and four stolen bases from 30/30.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:38 PM
Dunn grounds out to 1st and Valentin flies out to right. 2-0 Reds after 1.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:38 PM
2 - 0 good guys...pee pee hands due up first for the mets

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Alou just owns Harang.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Harang has given up an enormous amount of homers in his last five starts.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Alou with a long home run. 2-1 Reds.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:40 PM
Harang has got to stop doing that...

CTA513
09-03-2007, 01:41 PM
Nice home run pitch to Alou.

BCubb2003
09-03-2007, 01:41 PM
Another rally dies.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:44 PM
What a catch by Encarnacion!

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 01:44 PM
Wow, Edwin!

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:44 PM
Wow. Edwin Encarnacion is good.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:45 PM
Nice snag

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:45 PM
edwin is "cat-like" down there at third

nate
09-03-2007, 01:45 PM
Nice reaction by EE to catch a drive down the line off the bat of LoDuca.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:46 PM
Martinez strikes out looking. 3 Ks for Harang. 2-1 Reds mid 2nd.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:46 PM
Now watch Edwin follow that gem up with a HR.

PuffyPig
09-03-2007, 01:48 PM
Harang has given up an enormous amount of homers in his last five starts.


In August, Harang has given up 9 HR's in 37 2/3rds innings, a huge amount.

But he's gone 4-0, with a 3.35 ERA, fashioned by allowing hitters a .199 BAA, and a K/W ratio of 36-4.

I'm not particularly worried.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:51 PM
Pedro is one away from strikout #3000

BCubb2003
09-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Striking out Harang shouldn't count.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:52 PM
There it is....#3000.

No. It shouldn't count. It's a pitcher.

PuffyPig
09-03-2007, 01:53 PM
Pedro is one away from strikout #3000


Harang a likley candidate I would say?

redsmetz
09-03-2007, 01:53 PM
I guess that's what Aaron gets for K'ing him!

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:53 PM
Pedro just got career strikeout number 3000 against Harang. 15th player in MLB history with 3000 strikeouts.

BCubb2003
09-03-2007, 01:54 PM
What are the chances Harang will get 3000?

WVRedsFan
09-03-2007, 01:54 PM
Nice to hear Thom rather than George doing the TV today. When Pedro got his 3,000th K, George would have been going ga-ga...Maybe not. Pedro's not a Redbird...

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 01:55 PM
In August, Harang has given up 9 HR's in 37 2/3rds innings, a huge amount.

But he's gone 4-0, with a 3.35 ERA, fashioned by allowing hitters a .199 BAA, and a K/W ratio of 36-4.

I'm not particularly worried.

I'm not worried I was just pointing that out.

Ryan Howard just struckout for the 166th time this season leaving him only 29 shy of Dunn's record. Will he break the record? BTW he's missed right around 20 games. Dunn played 161 games the year he broke the record.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 01:58 PM
Nice to hear Thom rather than George doing the TV today. When Pedro got his 3,000th K, George would have been going ga-ga...Maybe not. Pedro's not a Redbird...

I'm in agreement that it's nice not to hear how "brilliant" and "special" players like Reyes, LoDuca, and Martinez are.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 01:59 PM
Good lord, Harang!

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 01:59 PM
Wright with a homer to right. 3-2 Mets.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 02:00 PM
Right down the middle of the plate.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:00 PM
Harang will get loss #4 today.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 02:01 PM
Wow. They gave Beltran a hit on that. What play was the official scorer watching?

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:02 PM
3-6-1 DP ends the inning. 3-2 Mets mid 3rd.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 02:02 PM
Wow. They gave Beltran a hit on that. What play was the official scorer watching?

He must really want BP to win the Gold Glove this year;)

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 02:05 PM
Does anyone break more bats than Josh Hamilton?

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:07 PM
Junior just missed flying out to the warning track in right. 3-2 Mets after 3.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 02:07 PM
That's four balls in the last week that Griffey has either hit off the wall or hit to the wall.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:08 PM
After 3 innings Harang is at 50 pitches and Martinez is at 37 pitches.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 02:09 PM
Harang is getting rocked.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:11 PM
Nice play by Hatteberg.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:11 PM
After 3 innings Harang is at 50 pitches and Martinez is at 37 pitches.Martinez is on a 75 pitch limit today.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:12 PM
Lo Duca with a sac. fly to the wall in left. 4-2 Mets.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:13 PM
Martinez is on a 75 pitch limit today.

That means he should be good for about 5-6 innings.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:14 PM
Harang is getting rocked.

7 base runners, 3 extra base hits (2 home runs) and has given up 4 runs in 4 innings.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 02:21 PM
Wow that was some ugly defense by the Mets there.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Hatteberg singles to center and Beltran boots the ball allowing Dunn to score. 4-3 Mets. Hatteberg goes to 2nd.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Reds really caught a break on that play.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Good baserunning by Dunn.

Dunn now has 86 walks, 89 runs, and 93 RBI as he tries for his third season of 100+ runs, RBI, and walks.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 02:35 PM
Hamilton smokes a single off the glove of Delgado.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:48 PM
Pretty easy day for Martinez on his first start of the season.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 02:54 PM
I love the guy but Griffey is an awful defensive outfielder these days.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:54 PM
Reds defense gives Alou a double on a pop up.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 02:57 PM
weak hitting greene doubles in another run

CTA513
09-03-2007, 02:57 PM
The Reds giving Alou a double on a pop up costs the Reds a run.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:58 PM
Green doubles in a run. 5-3 Mets.

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 02:59 PM
Majewski warming up.

Nice play by Gonzalez saves a run.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 02:59 PM
gonzo saves a run

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 03:00 PM
harang had nothing today...sadly

Reds Fanatic
09-03-2007, 03:00 PM
Gotay singles in a run. 6-3 Mets.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:00 PM
Check please!

CTA513
09-03-2007, 03:00 PM
That play by Gonzalez should have ended the inning and now that pop up double that wasn't caught has cost the Reds 2 runs.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 03:01 PM
Harang none to happy with his performance.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 03:02 PM
Giving the Mets 6 runs, while keeping Reyes off the basepaths is inexcuseable

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:04 PM
This team looks like the same pile of crap we saw under Narron...

Oh wait...it pretty much is.

OnBaseMachine
09-03-2007, 03:04 PM
Charge those last two runs to the Reds defense. There was no excuse for that routine popout dropping in.

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 03:08 PM
All the Mets fans here absolutley loathe Schoeneweis FWIW.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 03:08 PM
Javy showing some rare patience on that one:p:

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:11 PM
Ellison...joy.

This isn't a blow out...don't bat him

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:11 PM
I have never seen a player serve as little purpose as Jason Ellison

CTA513
09-03-2007, 03:11 PM
Why is Ellison pinch hitting with a man on base instead of Cantu?

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 03:12 PM
Ellison...joy.

This isn't a blow out...don't bat him

1 out of 19 in a Reds uni...:rolleyes:

I could do that

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 03:12 PM
Ellison is 1 for 19 with the Reds if my count is correct. What a waste of a roster spot.

Red in Chicago
09-03-2007, 03:12 PM
Why is Ellison pinch hitting with a man on base instead of Cantu?

He's probably "saving" him for later

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Even Castro would have had 2....MAYBE 3 hits in that span

Tom Servo
09-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Why is Ellison pinch hitting with a man on base instead of Cantu?
Petey Mac's probably channeling the old Narron logic of wanting to save him for later.


Red in Chicago keeps reading my mind!

CTA513
09-03-2007, 03:21 PM
Loss #4 for Harang and the Reds need a first baseman who can throw the ball.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:23 PM
http://www.webber.net.ua/f1/1997/Notes/Rules/FIA/flag_white.gif

flyer85
09-03-2007, 03:27 PM
Why is Ellison pinch hitting with a man on base instead of Cantu?have to save Cantu for the 9th

KronoRed
09-03-2007, 03:28 PM
have to save Cantu for the 9th

When we're down 7:thumbup:

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:29 PM
We can all see where this could be headed...

CTA513
09-03-2007, 03:30 PM
Stanton ready to save the day.

WVRedsFan
09-03-2007, 03:32 PM
Regardless of the popular opinion that Harang is OK, there must be a problem, maybe mechanical, that's causing all the HR's and the hard-hit balls. Remember, he had his CG against the Pirates, the majors' AAAA team.

Reds pitching has given up 13 hits and walked 2 in 6 plus innings. That tells the whole story.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:35 PM
I'm surprised

CTA513
09-03-2007, 03:40 PM
The bunter just pinch hit for Hamilton.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:41 PM
The bunter just pinch hit for Hamilton.

Who did what??

flyer85
09-03-2007, 03:42 PM
I am not a fan of Pete ... and have never been. In a lost season he manages out of some old book.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:43 PM
Hopper pinch hit for Hamilton? I can at least some some sort of logic in that one, I guess...but I wouldn't do it.


I wonder if Pete was "trying to get something going"

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:53 PM
Awful job by Hopper in the outfield...

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 03:57 PM
As a Japanese man once said.....

"The Rehs ah saki"

Falls City Beer
09-03-2007, 03:59 PM
Good team.

I'm glad that flukey month they had didn't continue. Now maybe Wayne will be compelled to actually do something this winter.

edabbs44
09-03-2007, 04:00 PM
Memories...


"The more I looked at the [Reds] roster, the better the roster looked," said Stanton, who will get $2 million in 2007 and $3 million in 2008. "Wayne stepped up and gave me the second year and that was it. It was a situation where it was very early in the free agent process, but it just looked like the right deal to me with the way the team was, the direction the organization is going in. Then you put the second year on top of that. I'm a little closer to home [in New Jersey.]"

Stanton's option for 2009 is $2.5 million, with a buyout of $500,000. If he appears in 140 games over the next two seasons, the option-year salary vests at $2.75 million.


By the way...I believe this is game 61 of the first year.

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 04:01 PM
Memories...

"The more I looked at the [Reds] roster, the better the roster looked," said Stanton, who will get $2 million in 2007 and $3 million in 2008. "Wayne stepped up and gave me the second year and that was it. It was a situation where it was very early in the free agent process, but it just looked like the right deal to me with the way the team was, the direction the organization is going in. Then you put the second year on top of that. I'm a little closer to home [in New Jersey.]"

Stanton's option for 2009 is $2.5 million, with a buyout of $500,000. If he appears in 140 games over the next two seasons, the option-year salary vests at $2.75 million.




sigh.


How about he doesn't sniff that bonus?

Falls City Beer
09-03-2007, 04:04 PM
How about he doesn't sniff that bonus?

Well, one of the ways to assure that that bonus doesn't vest is to cut his ass this winter--pitch him out like New Year's empties.

edabbs44
09-03-2007, 04:06 PM
Well, one of the ways to assure that that bonus doesn't vest is to cut his ass this winter--pitch him out New Year's empties.

Doubtful that the option vests...but how scary would it be if he's on the team next year, the team is hanging around for a bit and he keeps his ERA in the 4s? He could theoretically become the LOOGY, which could enable him to rack up the games.

I'll stop now...I'm scaring myself.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 04:08 PM
Awful job by Hopper in the outfield...

What did he do?

Matt700wlw
09-03-2007, 04:08 PM
Call ups

Coffey, Saarloos, Salmon, Votto, Coats, Hannigan

CTA513
09-03-2007, 04:12 PM
Down by 6 runs Weathers is pitching the 9th inning.

Weathers gives up a home run.

M2
09-03-2007, 04:16 PM
Carlos Delgado takes David Weathers deep to make it a 10-3 game.

I'm actually liking the last four games in that they serve as a stark reminder that the Reds really aren't that close to being a contender. If you want to see a contender in action, watch the guys in the visitor's dugout. Hopefully a little more of this and the Reds will have the courage to stand up and admit the team isn't very good and it's time to do something about that.

mbgrayson
09-03-2007, 04:21 PM
Hannigan not on the 40 man...... KeyMastur DFA'd?

CTA513
09-03-2007, 04:24 PM
Phillips grounds into a double play to end the game.

flyer85
09-03-2007, 04:31 PM
Phillips grounds into a double play to end the game.does Phillips lead the league in GIDPs?

pedro
09-03-2007, 04:37 PM
does Phillips lead the league in GIDPs?

he's third behind pujols & zimmerman.

CTA513
09-03-2007, 04:38 PM
does Phillips lead the league in GIDPs?

After today hes second in the major leagues with 23.
Zimmerman has 24
Phillips has 23
Pujols has 22

redsfan4445
09-03-2007, 10:40 PM
hearing on the radio, as i drove to take my son home that ELLISON pinch hitting for your #1 starter instead of Cantu, Keppenger or Hopper REALY botherd me.. made me think either Mack lost his mind or he was ordered to do this from Wayne in his suite upstairs.. how can a guy wanting a managing job even think of letting Ellison pinch hit???

WVRedsFan
09-04-2007, 01:37 AM
hearing on the radio, as i drove to take my son home that ELLISON pinch hitting for your #1 starter instead of Cantu, Keppenger or Hopper REALY botherd me.. made me think either Mack lost his mind or he was ordered to do this from Wayne in his suite upstairs.. how can a guy wanting a managing job even think of letting Ellison pinch hit???

Probably your manager until 2009. Wayne likes 2-year contracts (see Narron, Jerry).

I like Pete, but Alan Cutler brought up something tonight after the game that had me thinking a little bit. Krivsky is a control freak. Pete supposedly said he'd ask Krivsky what to do with the new arrivals. Speaks volumes, folks. The chances of us hiring a manager who can think on his own is nil. Pete's your man.

Matt700wlw
09-04-2007, 01:50 PM
Probably your manager until 2009. Wayne likes 2-year contracts (see Narron, Jerry).

I like Pete, but Alan Cutler brought up something tonight after the game that had me thinking a little bit. Krivsky is a control freak. Pete supposedly said he'd ask Krivsky what to do with the new arrivals. Speaks volumes, folks. The chances of us hiring a manager who can think on his own is nil. Pete's your man.

I'm beginning to think in order to get a proven manger in here...Krivsky will have to go as well....

A proven manger won't let Krivsky tell him what to do.







For what it's worth...I still don't think Pete gets the job.